3 and Out - Colin Cowherd on 1st Brady Interview, Chiefs/Eagles Super Bowl Preview, Lamar Ravens Future, Derek Carr Fit, Rodgers/Raiders Rumors

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I was at the gym today and I had FS one on the television, and all of a sudden, I look up and I see this beautiful man next to Colin Coward, and it's no other than Tom Brady, who looked tanner than you. Colin. He looks fantastic. He's he's a good looking guy. He is, he is, I said during the interview, never try to limit your appearances on a TV screen. Next to Tom Brady, he and Jesse

Palmer make even a moderately you know, redeemable guy. And I think moderately redeemables where I classify you look like you're out bailing. Hey, you've been in a You've been in a ditch for six hours. Next to Brady, you did a thing a long time ago on year Old. You're the old place that when you walked in the hallways you crossed Jesse Palmer. You just realized it. It wasn't a fair game for all of us, right, I mean,

he's I would take an exit. I just jumped into an office, didn't even I didn't want to be seen in the same space. So but Brady was in New York. They want something with the sun and uh yeah, I mean he's Uh. I tried to Butter. I had a joke to start because I know, you know, there's Tom on that podcast kind of has control of it. So I wanted to lighten up the mood with a Mike Rabel thought, because I know he's close with Rabel, and it got Tom in a good mood and we were

off and rolling for about twelve fifteen minutes. But you know, I was very gracious. I've you know, I've interviewed almost I think everybody, you know, Tiger Woods, Barack, Obama, Trump, Uh, you know, every coach, anybody I've wanted. He was one of the last ones. So it was great. Well, I got two things on it. To me. One thing that stood out. You asked him a very direct question, is there a one percent chance of you coming back? And the thing I noticed, and I understand it's, you know,

this game is meant the light. It's his life, it's his identity. He refused to use the word retirement, and I mean he kind of beat around the bush, but he did not say like It's not like he easily could have said, Colin, under no chance, I'm taking this year off. Next year be a Fox, but I am not coming back under any circumstances. He kind of went the BELICHICKI and worked around it. What would your take on that? Well, you know, now his business is on the East coast, right, so I mean Tom will be

able to throw the football. He set two NFL records this year, So Tom will be able to throw the football in ten years from now. As Drew Bledsoe always says, you don't lose the arm, you'll lose the legs, You'll lose the desire. So Tom. If Tom stays in shape, I don't doubt. And let's say the Niner things just implodes totally and they can call him in August and say can you play October first? I think you take the phone call. You know, the Niners one, even though

it's cross country. The roster is so good, you know, there's just there's part of me that thinks, how would he not take the call? Because it's not a quarterback demanding job, it's a quarterback friendly job. Now, when I watched Brady at the Beach, I thought it was over. And his answer today, though he didn't give a definitive I still think it's over. But I let's say I retired and I meant it. What if a year later, like the greatest job ever is offered, I'd probably pick

the phone up. You know. I mean it's like Tom looks great, still has a great arm, just was in an offense that completely utterly depended on him and got them to win the division. So I think he's done. But just because you're done doesn't mean you know, he's not only a football player, he's an entrepreneur. Entrepreneurs always

picked the phone up. You know, obviously I lived in Northern California a long time, and you know, you're a fan of your team, but as you grow older, whether you play or whether you just do different things, that separates. But there is an element of one, the guy loves to win and the team is set up to win. And two, like I lost my dad a couple of years ago, and you know you've lost parents, there is a unique part as your parents' age if you do

have the opportunity to do something special with them. So that's I'd be shocked if not just Kyl, but I've bet Josh McDaniels as well. Those two teams, to me, are going to have a conversation with this man. Now, whether Tom comes back, but those conversations are going to be had. Yeah, just because you retire doesn't mean people can't read out exactly. So I think Tom has retired. It felt authentic to me, But you know, let's and Troy Aikman got phone calls Drew Brees has gotten phone calls.

That's the way the game is. Like when you retire and you're great, you know this, Three to four teams every year get trapped every year. Happens in training camp. So yeah, I mean it's like Tom's going to get calls. I think he's gonna say no to all of them, but the Niners because of the roster. You at least take the call. Poor yourself, Poor yourself a pint and sit and talk for thirty minutes and laugh, you know. I mean, you have to take the call, you know.

And last thing on Tom. One thing I found funny is a lot of people, you know, the media, critics and Twitter or whatever, think, you know, it's Greg Olsen has done a great job, and listen, he's good and he seems like a fantastic guy. But it's crazy that Tom Brady just gets to come in and take the job no experience. The reality is there's a small percentage of people Tiger Woods, Michael Jordan, Tom Brady if they

want the number one gig. I don't care who it is they're getting replaced, unless it is John Madden Tom Brady sitting in that seat. Regardless who's there. It's just there's a level of fame that Tom has a massed. I would say the last five or six years take them to another stratosphere that it's just great, great, But Tom Brady, Tom Brady, Yeah, I mean, I don't know. I stay out of those conversations. Greg is fantastic, And now Tom announced that Greg's going to do it again

with Kevin Burkhart. Yeah, because I think Tom really a needs the ex hail and b wants to figure out how to do this to be great at it. So that'll be something. But my bosses figure out, you know, they don't include me in those conversations, like right, So I don't know. I'm glad that I'm a broadcaster and I don't really have to do that because the one thing Fox does a remarkable job at they're really good

at it is production. When I worked at ESPN, there were there were tons of talented people, but I didn't think we were overly creative some of I mean, ESPN's had that NBA pregame show for twenty years. I still don't think they ever get it perfectly right. Fox figured out soccer quickly. Took him about two years to figure out golf, their World Series coverage, their college football Big Ten, the show they did with Urban Meyer. From a production standpoint,

Fox does TV really well. Everything feels big, and so Brady feels huge. So he's a natural choice for Fox. I don't know. I don't know what they're gonna do in a year. I just know, you know, Tom signed on as the number one guy, Greg Olson, and this doesn't surprise me at all. Is amazing. I've known Greg for over ten years, so I'm glad somebody else does that. But you know, I thought, you know, today, I because

I had thought about it. I thought I'm gonna asked Tom, Dude, Okay, you just I mean, wouldn't you want to He's been playing football for forty years, probably thirty eight. It's like, I don't want to take a big long exhale, and he did. You know. I hadn't read the story, but I saw your take and then I googled it, The

Tony Romo Intervention, and I think one underrated part. I remember getting hired in the NFL and just thinking, like I know football and just realizing how many players were in the league, how many moving parts, how much is going on, how much work it takes, whether you're a coach, whether you're a GM, whether you call games to follow the league. I mean truly know it, like who is the fourth wide receiver on the Jacks and you know

you saw Romo taking a lot of shit. Well part of it the amount of effort it takes to truly be all in and football is very difficult. Just as far as the most amount of players, it has the most inventory every year of new guys coming in. Guys get cut all the time, random guys. You can watch any game, whether it's the Niners or the worst team in the league, and they got a random dude that was in the XFL a year ago. It is time consuming.

This is not the NBA where seven people play. Yeah, that's what I said about Romo is that the league turns over every three years now. I joked about golf as an aside. I said, I think Tony wants to play on the tour? Does he does? He does? He hits. You know people A lot of people tag me and said John, I said, why I found a way to monetize golf. Big difference. Yeah, bring the revenue stream to

the volume the people you do. Golf is addictive and I've known a lot of people that go down it and they fall in love with golf and fall out of love with their job. But you know the one thing with Tony Romo is that Tony's always had Even as a player, his style was sort of winging it. I mean, he winged it. That's what it always felt like. So that's what he's like as a broadcaster. By the way,

Peyton Manning was surgical in his preparation. Well, if you watch the Mannings on Monday night, Peyton Manning's got so much information. So you become Aikman. Aikman's another guy very prepared as a player, very prepared as a broadcaster. So I think you become what you were as a player. So Brady, Brady will be fantastic. And again, however that

whatever happens happens, it's none of my business. But the question with Tom, Yeah, it's that's why when he said I want to take a year off, I think Tom just he'll do a deep dive on everything, and you know, I can't wait to hear him. I well, you know I heard I forget who it was. You'll see a lot of people have predicted, well, you know, I don't know how he'll be. He's not a guy that fails a ton. Peyton Manning's not a guy that fails a ton.

I mean, that's an example. Charles Barkley was known as a bad practice player, and he doesn't do a ton of prep on TNT. Now he's just naturally funny and that's what comes off. But they joke that he doesn't follow a lot of the teams. Well, he wasn't a great practice player. He struggled with his weight, he wasn't really great in terms of nutrition and commitment. So that's what he is as a broadcaster. He just is so

naturally funny and likable that he pulls it off. You know, my first reaction last week when Sean Payton took the job was one, if you're Denver, no brain or hiring him. If you're a Denver Broncos fan, they got a lot of them, I'd be fired up. And my first reaction was like, God, that's pretty risky, you know, the quarterback situation.

And then I realized like part of what you know, ambitious, confident, Like it was risky for you to start the volume, it was risky when you moved companies to come to FS one like part of getting the reaping big time rewards is taking Andy Reid went to the Chiefs. They had the number one overall pick. They did not have

a quarterback at the time. So confident, talented people take big risk because typically they know deep down the percentage and the chances of them succeeding at that are relatively higher. You see today there was a story already changed out the towels like he's on everything. This guy is going in there like a bull in a china shot. That thing is gonna it's gonna be hard for him to fail.

Now the quarterback situation, Russell's got to be better, and if he's just shot, then that's gonna be a problem. But so now they have a last place schedule, so that's it. Secondly, they at the end of the year they actually played Kansas City tight. They played better. So when Hackett left the building about two weeks later, they got competent. So I said this today, it's not like you're going from a solid coach who got fired. Vic Fangio absolutely excellent. One side of the ball. You're not

going from Vic Fangio to Sean Payton. You're going from Freddie Kitchens to Sean Payton. You're going from somebody that just isn't a head coach to Sean Payton. And how many games do they win? Three or four or five? Now I saw their schedule, the schedules easier, and now you have a world class coach instead of a coordinator. So and by the way, Derek Carr is out of the division. Tom Brady's retired, So what if the Raiders are less competent. The over under I had guessed it

would be eight and a half it was. I got lucky on that with the staff. I said in the morning meeting the day it was announced, I said, they've got to be eight and a half, and that's what it was. I would bet the over. I think it's a nine to a ten win team, schedules easier, the defense still good. You know this. The cat flexibility is a problem, But what's not is getting draft picks. You can get draft picks very quickly in this league by

moving people. The Rams could trade Jalen Rampsy and get a first and a four and suddenly they have all their picks. You can make moves. If you have elite players, you would never want to move Patrick Surtan. But if you had to move with Jerry Judy or you had to move somebody, you can get second, third, fourth round picks real quick. The other thing is having a powerful offensive coach. You can draft and hit on good players or turn them into good players in the fourth, fifth, sixth,

seventh round. He had a lot of guys over his tenure that impacted their teams that were not second round picks. You know, Marcus Colson, Jimmy Graham, I wasn't a top first round pick. You can get really good players when you have an offensive coach who's also the play caller in the fourth, fifth, sixth round. And that to me is where he comes through. We're when you're paying a guy seventeen million dollars Sean McVeigh Kyle Shanahan that that's where it impacts you. Yeah, he Sean told me off

the air. He said, basically, we want to make our offense basketball on grass. He goes, if you look at what Russell does well, And by the way, when Hackett left last couple of weeks, Sean Russell Wilson moved more and the offense was more successful. They want to play to Russell strain, which is elusiveness, mobility, the soft deep ball. You know what I think happened is that Hackett had

an offense went to Denver. It was Aaron's offense, and it wasn't built for Russell, and he just didn't have a second offense, whereas Peyton has had a Taysom Hill offense, Drew Breeze offense, Adulton offense. So Sean has been doing this a long long time. I just don't think Hackett had an offense in his repertoire for Russell. And that's why they when we kept screaming change the offense, he didn't have it. You're asking somebody to throw Kershaw's curve

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especially in modern day. I would say, like starting Walsh Montana on a lot of teams that won multiple Super Bowls did it with multiple, you know, multiple quarterbacks and Andy and Mahomes. Obviously Belichick and Brady have six, Montana and Walsh have three. Shanahan and Elway have the two, but it happened at the end of Elway's career, so it didn't get to happen over a long period of time,

which who knows they maybe they had more. I would say the outlier is Kaflin and Eli that had these two unique runs, but it wasn't like a prolonged success. I don't know if anyone's ever catching Belichick and Brady, you would bet against it winning six Super Bowls together as a head coach in the quarterback. But I think Andy Mahomes, if they knocked this thing out Sunday, do have an opportunity one day to kind of be right

there as the modern day version of Walsh and Montana. Well, when Belichick ran the league for twenty years, most of twenty years, there was certainly an argument. In the last fifteen of those years, Andy Reid was the second best coach. He was getting to the NFC championship four or five times at a Super Bowl, and he was one of the coaches that gave Belichick problems. Then he goes to Kansas City two wins to I think eleven overnight, and then he's at the end of Bill's great New England

days and he was beating him with Mahomes. And so I argued this when Bill was running the league and he was arguably the second best coach. With Andy now running the league, Bill's not second. He's struggling to get into the playoffs. We view like Shanny or McVeigh or Peyton, And so my takeaway is Andy is sixty four If he coached his sixty eight and won two to three of these things. I think we would look at it differently, which would be when the rules leaned to Bill, he won,

Andy was second. When the rules leaned Andy, he was one. Bill wasn't second. So that I think it's going to even things out and fair historians will say Andy and Bill are way closer by the way Bill got fired in Cleveland. Can't win big without Tom, and he's one with a lot of people. I would say this for

Coach Read. I remember being at the combine in two thousand night, right after they hadn't won the Super Bowl, and a buddy of mine on the staff was like, you know what's crazy is we had a we had a week or two off after we won the super Bowl. You know, everyone celebrated, and I drove by the facility and I looked and Coach Read's car was there, and I had the opportunity worked in the office for company. I've never I've been around a lot of successful I've

never seen a work ethic like this. To me, the only thing that's gonna stop this man from coaching, he's a bigger guy. It would be health, his love and passion for the game. And obviously with Mahomes, like he's gonna coach until he can't coach, you know, coach read he's in this for the long haul. So I think the Chiefs, I mean, they've already built like they're kind of the they win this, they're the dynasty of kind

of this air, but they're not going away. I mean, they got all these young defensive backs, but Jaco's a young player. They got all these draft picks, they got a dynamic GM. I think the Chiefs are kind of in this thing for the long haul. Like this ain't just a cute little five year run. I mean this is a much more sustainable like holmegrenn and farf Well then Holmegren left to Seattle and far of kind of

like this thing's gonna go for a while. Oh, I think. So. I think the only thing that is in the way of it is Andy Reid retiring. Yeah, that would be a problem. So and I said this today, Andy retires. Let's say they win and he retires, who do you hire? Eric the Enemy? No, I mean Eric the Enemy didn't get a job interview in Chicago and the GM was formerly in Kansas City. He didn't get an interview. I

think it'd be Matt Naggy. You know, I know he struggled in Chicago, but him and Veach played college football together. Him and Mahomes are tight. Again. I don't I don't know, I don't know anything. I would be stunned if Andy retires in the near future. Hell again, he's family stuff. But I think the Chiefs and I think he knows. I mean, obviously he was there with young Farv. He's seen McNabb a little vic. This is as special as again.

I mean that quarterback a couple of weeks ago. That was a legendary performance on a bum ankle in a game against an all time Joe Burrow is gonna be an all time great player. That's gonna go down as one of his defining moments, even if he goes on to win four more Super Bowls. I was actually blown away by Steve Spagnola because Burrow has really evened out his game. So his first year he gets hurt. His second year he was mostly good, but he had some stinkers.

Remember the game against Chicago, he had like three picks and three passes, so he was uneven. This year, he didn't have a bad Sunday. Now week one, first game off surgery, he struggled. He didn't have another bad Sunday until the Chiefs, and it was like, we didn't we don't view Kansas City as a great defense. So Spag got half for him in the first half, gave him some problems with rookies in the back end in the second half. So are we watching are we watching a

defense of the Chiefs? That situationally is just better than we think. Because Burrow this year just did not have bad Sundays. I mean he went about sixteen he went at fifteen to sixteen weeks. He was good every Sunday. Well, that to me, Sunday is the Niners for about a quarter and a half until that thing fell apart. Had a game plan against Jalen pick us apart, bro pick us apart. We don't think you're missing throws. We are not going to just rush up the field. We're gonna

make you beat us with your arm. And he couldn't do it. And I heard Greg Cosell. He did not He did not look good. He didn't really have to do anything for the game. And to me, that's the game plan is make him beat you with his arm, do not over rush him. I think that's the most fascinating part about this game. The Jalen hurts early in the season was so dynamic it didn't matter, like he could make place because he can turn into a running back.

This version, it's hard to quantify because you don't see him limp in, you don't see him holding a short but something is off. Who knows. Maybe now we've had two weeks, maybe he's healthier. But if the version that we saw Jalen against the forty nine ers, I mean, I like the Chiefs in this game. If that's the guy playing, yeah, he just didn't have any touch, so and you're gonna have to have touch. And then, let's

be fair. Super Bowls are different. It's different playing at home against the Giants or brock Purty goes out and he looked a little off against brock Purdy. Now you're facing Mahomes neutral field, a lot of Chiefs fans. That's a totally different ball game. And again, although there's rookies everywhere in the back end, I hope Snead concussion protocol can play for the Chiefs. He fortunately gets a long break, but I can see scenarios where Andy Reid dials it up.

Chiefs take a lead, a lot of you know, multiple sets, a lot of stuff they haven't seen. All of a sudden, phil Delphia gets down. Jalen is a little tight for a series, Kansas City gets it again, goes up ten nothing or fourteen nothing, all of a sudden, Hurts Now is really tight. I can see that scenario. I mean Kansas City. You know, early in mahomes career he'd fall

in of these huge deficits and come roaring back. Yeah, the new Patrick Mahomes has taken leads, so he's obviously better at staying on the script early, not veering from it, taking leads. So I can absolutely see Kansas City winning the coin toss, taking it, taking a lead and thinking, and Andy thinking, guys, let's make Jalen Hurts play from behind neutral field. You know Super Bowls are different. Everybody's

a little tight, No, I know. I mean, I heard you on the show today you leaning Eagles a little bit. It's assuming Jalen's health. I said this today. I know the chin will be available. Will Jalen land the punch? There are matchup advantages for Philly, they have better roster, But I want to see him. He didn't land, He couldn't land against San Francisco. They just basically fell apart. So I know Mahomes will land his opportunities. I don't think he'll have as many. So my initial, my gut feeling,

was the matchup really favors Philadelphia. If you told me Jalen Hurts, If you told me Jalen Hurt's first half line and said, okay, he's you know, he's seven for twelve, I'd be like, they're a little bit of trouble. I think it's very obvious what Kansas City and Spags want to do. It's exactly what Damiko Ryans wanted to do. Make Jalen beat us, and he didn't look good. I saw this story. Jeremy Fowler wrote that there's a chance that the Ravens and Lamar are more than one hundred

or potentially one hundred million dollars apart. And you've talked for a long time about like Iyrie's a bad business partner, Like it's just bad to be in business with him. Well, part of just doing a deal with the player, Like it's one thing if I think you're a ten million dollars player and you think you're a twelve and we can bridge. If you're trying to sell me a home and your home's worth two million and I offer one

point eight, we can figure it out. But if your home's were two and I'm offering six hundred thousand, we ain't going to get a deal done. So it's starting to get to the point like one hundred millions. These aren't eight hundred million dollar contracts. That's what are we talking about here, Like, listen, I understand this outlier contract of Deshaun Watson, but it feels like Lamar is starting to be in la la land a little bit about what's going on. Because one hundred million dollars this is

the NFL. That is most contracts ninety nine percent of players. So I'm saying, a hundred million dollar contracts, what are we doing? Well? We know by watching Lamar Jackson. He's wildly emotional. He gets so mad at Lamar. Right, So he's young, he's a motion So when he has his mom as an agent and not somebody who does this professionally, that means the reason I have an agent just to keep me out of it. Yeah, he feels very much

in it. So you're talking about a young man who's highly emotional, probably feels slighted, disrespected, and there's probably a lot of you know, there's probably a little bit of turbulence in this thing. And and so I could see, you know, they have offered him a cond I think they offered him one hundred and thirty three millions. So if they're one hundred off, he wants two thirty three.

What I wonder is this is if he's not going to use an agent, it's just going to be an emotional relationship, would you move him because you could get with somebody with picks. I mean, Seattle has two ones, two twos, two fours. If you're Baltimore and it's like, we'll give you Lamar today, give us one of your ones, one of your two's, one of your fours, and a one. Next year, Baltimore drafts John and develops really, really well, we'll take Gino and we'll draft another quarterback. The Jets

would also they're an emotional franchise that are desperate. I think when you look at Lamar, that word emotion is a good one because it goes back to the combine. One guy said you should play receiver. They got all up in their emotions. They refused to run. It's like, Lamar, if you had just ran the forty, you would have ran like a four to two eight or a four three one. There's not a snowball's chance in hell you're

lasting to pick thirty two. When you run that fast, you would have gone way higher and said you've fallen. You need to somehow separate this because this is a disaster right now. You don't have anyone who can go shop you around right now because everything is so close to the vest. This is starting to fall apart. I used to be on his side, like listen, they are so they're you know, his success and their success are clearly tied. John Harbow is gonna get fired before he

came around. But now this is going like, Lamar, your guys aren't getting some bad advice and you're gonna get traded. I'm with you. I think I do wonder with Seattle, they feel like this is they're shot to like assuming they love one of these quarterbacks to kind of John Snyder loved Russell Wilson, was big on Josh Allen, and I could see him having one of these three guys at the top really love and go all in for him.

You know he's you gotta give him this credit. Like when it comes to quarterbacks, they've had a pretty keynote, even Gino, like they were proven to be pretty right on that one. Well again, Seattle has so it's part of trading for Lamar Colin. You'd have been have to give him one hundred and ninety million dollars or whatever he wants, right, So double whammy. You gotta trade and then pay well. Seattle though, not only do they have

draft capital, They're gonna move off Jamal Adams here pretty quick. Yeah. They both tackles, free running back Kenneth Walker, both corners. They hit the draft out of the park. John. They got six draft fees that are starting. That's six starters. You're not paying anything too, so Seattle, and by the way, they have I think they need another receiver. But if you bring Lamar in, dk Metcalfine Lockett are more than enough and Noah Fan and Will Disley. So Seattle's got

draft capital. They're gonna move off Jamal Adams, I think because I think they like their other safeties. And my takeaway with Seattle is they're not paying a lot of people. They're not and Lamar though expensive would not be Mahomes

expensive would not be Josh Allen expensive. I mean, I could see Seattle giving them a one to two to four and you still have a one, two and a four, you know on another quarterback, Derek, Listen, there's unless you got Josh Allen, Mahomes, borrow potentially Herbert and we'll see on Lawrence. Like most of these guys under thirty, you're not gonna You're not winning Super Bowl, you know, unless your team is stacked like the Eagles. But you have

Kirk Cousins, Dak Prescott, and Derek Carr. Do I love paying those guys thirty five forty million dollars? No, But if your team, if you're a well run operation, you're gonna make the playoffs. And if you make the playoffs, that means all season long, your team matters, and that's worth a lot. Like ultimately the Vikings this year thirteen wins, Jerry twelve wins. They were never winning the Super Bowl

to begin with, but go into the second round. How hosting a playoff game is worth a lot to the owner. To meet Derek has a lot of value if you just get him in a stable organization. You put him with the Saints, maybe you get him with Frank in the Carolina If that gets you ten win in the playoffs, that is well worth thirty two million dollars, is it not. I think this one seems obvious. He's gonna get cut. He's gonna get cut here, I think in a week,

because he's not gonna get traded. So if you're cut, Like, if you're Carolina and you want him, wouldn't you give somebody a pick to secure him? Would you? If if it's if he's cut, what's the order in which you have to buy to get him? But I would just tell his agent we will give him like a three year contract. You know, I'll give you three years, ninety million dollars and guarantee US sixty of it. Like I will give you way more money than what we trade for you. But we want to give you a multi

year deal, not even just some one thirty. We will give you several years. And he can still draft a guy in the second or third round and figure it out as you go. But you get someone who comes in and can play. Say what you want about Cousins. Since he's been in Minnesota, he has not been their main problem. Does he have flaws? We dump it down on fourth down in the playoffs? Yes, but you're in the playoff game. Think how many think how many teams in the league would have died to be in that

spot hosting a playoff game thirteen wins? So yeah, I think Derek the smart business move no trade clause, cut me because someone's gonna get I'm too good of a quarterback. I'm too high level of a guy. I've never been in trouble. I mean I played for the Raiders. Also, Derek doesn't want to go to a place that had to surrender picks. He wants them to have their draft capital. So if Derek has a no trade clause, which he does, Derek can say no, no, no, no, no, no no

to all of them. So Derek control has all the leverage here for sure. Then he gets cut and then you know. One of the things I saw a story about Aaron Rodgers to the Raiders today, and my takeaway is You're gonna have no roster flexibility with Aaron's contract because they also paid Jacobs, Colton Miller, Max Chandler Waller. So you have no roster flexibility. You can't give up that and picks. So when people say, well give give the Packers two ones and two twos, those are four

starters in two years. On defense, like this is what Denver's in. Denver's like, we got no cap roster flexibility and we don't have any picks. So to me, the Raiders are in a weird spot. I think, I honestly think the NFC is so weak John that Derek Carr, Frank Reich in that defense win that division going away. I agree, totally agree. I mean they can win. They can be hosting multiple playoff games next year. Absolutely. You

know this. I forgot about Aaron got it. Can never let you out here with that in Aaron Rodgers, what's your How do you think this all plays out? Fifty one percent? Green Bay? I think green You still you still think he might stay, yes, because I always come back to Green Bay. Minnesota's not going to go eleven and oz in one score games. That doesn't work that way. The year before they lost them all. This year they

won them all. So you can just take three or four those because with cousins, you don't blow a lot of people out. You don't. There's a ceiling. So they're gonna hire Brian Flores on defense, but it will be better defensively, so they may be a better overall team, but they're not going to go eleven and oh and one score games. If Aaron stayed, they address the tight end position and an edge rusher. They got all their picks. I think they're going to win the division. Bear still stink.

I don't trust Detroit, so in Minnesota will come back down to Earth. I still think that's the place where Aaron can host a playoff game. Aaron is being very casual about his future, and I think it's actually a brilliant business decision because whoever goes and gets Aaron, you can't give up a lot of loot to get him. And so in Aaron's smart remember when Mellow forced his way to the Knicks, and the Knicks had no leverage,

had to give a ton up. Mellow arrived in New York and he was a twenty million dollar chandelier in an empty house that no players. So by Aaron saying I may play, I may not. I mean the Raiders will go, okay, can we get two ones? And you're like, how about a one and two twos? I'm not sure you can get more on the market. I know I've talked to a gim about this. What are you willing to give up for a guy that can retire after a year? Well, to me, think about his contemporaries, right, Obviously,

Brady was like, I'm playing to like I'm fifty. You know I'm never gonna quit. Manning never would have quit if his arm didn't fall off, Breeze couldn't throw. If you traded for those guys when they were still as good as Aaron, you just knew they were gonna play until they couldn't play anymore. Aaron has been talking about retirement now consistently for several years, and he's doing weird stuff. I think if he operated like Peyton or Breeze, teams

would have no problem. I'll give you two ones for thirty if a guy for more years. But he's the opposite. You think he's doing it specifically to limit or that's actually what he thinks. Well, I said today, I don't know. It may be an incidental, accidental stroke of genius, but it does pretty much guarantee that whoever trades for him won't have to give up as much as if Instead of saying I'm playing forever, so I mean, I think

I always put myself in the spot. If I'm the Raiders GM, I'd be like, all right, oh, I want Aaron, but I can get Garoppolo and not give up anything. I'll give you two ones. That's it. No more picks, no more. I would do two ones for Aaron, but I wouldn't give you more than that. That's it. And when you consider he was an MVP back to back MVP, you know two years ago, that's not a lot. Go

look what Russell Wilson fetched. I think the way you have to do it is that second pick is based on like, if we have success my first year and he returns that, if we make the AFC Championship game, I'll give you two ones. If he retires on me, that one turns into a four, you know something. But there has to be some We're taking on some risk here because this guy could be you know, in the jungles in South America. You know, I don't know where he's gonna be, right. I saw your guy Klatt Blast

in the USC recruiting class. I know you got any any thoughts on the players? Lincoln's he he didn't love, not enough defense in the class and any Colin Coward thoughts on that one. Yeah, My thoughts are, when you have Caleb Williams to eight to eighteen year olds, do you any good? Next year he's bringing in twenty one year old players who were like all conference guys. So he brings in one of the best corners in the conference and one of the best receivers from Arizona. He

brings in a top linebacker from Oklahoma State. They're going for the national championship next year. They're they're not going for They brought a running back in from South Carolina. He's a five star guy. So I think the way Lincoln looks at it is, listen, if we were rebuilding at quarterback, it's the long play. It's not. They believe they were two plays from thirteen wins and they wouldn't

have been blown out if Caleb stayed healthy. So they believe everybody on their schedule they're going and they will be a better defensive team. They have better personnel, they're deeper. But the reason they went light on high schoolers is because they're playing for a national title next year. That's how they view it. A playoff spot. Well, those eighteen year olds can be five star. They're not gonna play. They're not gonna get on the field. They had a

kid this year, Relief Brown. He was a running back, five star kid, clever player, had no real impact, probably six plays all year because they had like Austin Jones and they had Travis Dye. We're like four years older, so they've been in a college weight room for four years. They're just they're just men. So I mean, I looked at USC's recruiting class. They're high school recruiting class. This year. They brought in about fifteen kids. They have two that

are gonna play. One of them, Za Carrion Branch, is a wide receiver. He will play. He's Reggie Bush on the perimeter. He is a wildly explosive player. He will play the lineman, won't. They brought in a linebacker from Louisiana. He'll be a rotational player. But I'm not sure any of them outside of Branch have a chance to start. And they're mostly four star kids, so this is not Remember when Nick Saban started at Alabama, the transfer portal didn't exist like this, so he was building for the

long haul. And even Nick brought in multiple junior college guys those first three years because Nick didn't want to wait four years to rebuild. He wanted to be a title contender by year two. And I think he won it in year three. Yeah, So I think next year they'll probably wean off the portal a little. Well, here's where the portals really effective, John, there's fewer whiffs. You have tape their division one. You bring in twelve guys.

Eleven can play that day. So even Saban in a twenty five person class, Saban, eight guys can't play, and there's another eight that either academically, physically, emotionally they underachieve. You get about eight guys a class who live up to the four to five star that's with Saban. So I think the future is transfers. At least half your class have to be transfers. So do you think there's pressure on him to obviously win the conference and just a minimum make it to the playoffs when he's got,

you know, maybe the best prospect they've ever had. I don't even think it's pressure. I think I think he looks at Caleb is easily the best player in the country. So and they've asked Caleb to help in recruiting with these portal transfer kids, so it's like, what do we So they went to Arizona and they got this kid singer or a wide receiver. Well, he's going to be a late first early second round pick. So if I get a five star receiver, he's not as good as

that kid. He ate USC's DBS alive last year and they and Lincoln told people, we gotta get that guy. By the way, they also had a corner that was really good. Lincoln's like, we gotta get that guy's guys. Jed couldn't have Oh he wasn't. But that's you know, it's college football in two thousand and twenty three. You gotta try whatever you gain to keep your guys, and it's part of the deal. Yeah. I mean, if again,

I think Caleb is the first quarterback. I mean, very few quarterbacks they put in the Andrew Luck Trevor Lawrence class where they're gonna succeed regardless of mismanagement. I think Caleb maybe the third guy. I think he's that good. Yeah, I think he's one of the biggest. He'll be one of the most anticipated college stars in a long time. Yeah, you know, just Luck was obviously great college player, and

he was fun to watch for the football nerds. But this guy's running around, he's got a little bit stronger of an arm, a little more just the casual fan. You don't need to be Bill Polian to realize that. Jeez, a little Michael Vick to him. But he also can kind of throw like luck. It's just this guy might just be I mean, he's gonna be the number one overall pick. Yeah he will d yes pretty good quarterback draft.

So you know, if you if you suck this year your team does, you might as well enjoy it because it might lead to greatness. Yeah, well, Colin, when you head it out to Arizona, I'm doing the Wednesday show from Los Angeles. I get on a flight to Phoenix, go to the Volume party. All right, you're gonna be there, of course, I will see you there yet. Then Thursday Friday do the shows, and then I fly back Saturday morning, where I'm gonna hang out and watch the game from

home and take notes as I do every year. That's what I do, So I can't wait. I'm excited. We'll see a Wednesday and have a good week, all right, Buddy, and the Volume