Hello Sunshine, Hey fam Today on the bright Side, we're talking women's health with guynecologists and CEO of Sanctum med and Wellness. It's doctor Jessica Shephard. Doctor Shepherd weighs in on the growing debate online about birth control and its side effects, her holistic approach to medicine, and she also shares how we can all be better advocates for our health and well being.
It's Friday, April nineteenth, and Danielle Robe and.
I'm Simone Voice and this is the bright Side from Hello Sunshine.
Okay, first things first, Taylor Swift's new album is officially here the Tortured Poets Department. Here's a primer to get you all hyped up if you haven't listened yet. It's her eleventh album, Borrow. I can't believe that I've lived through eleven Taylor Swift albums.
Can you know that number is staggering?
I just remember listening to Taylor Swift in high school because teardrops on my guitar would come on and I would like cry along with hers about right. So I can't believe we're on number eleven. But people online are excited. There's some really Dope features Florence and the Machine post Malone, and Taylor is always really creative with her marketing. One of the fun things that I saw her do is she offered a limited run of autographed LPs for fifty dollars.
LP's meaning like the vinyl version of her album, and some fans on social obviously got them and they vanished in twenty minutes. I'm surprised they lasted. That long swifties are for real. I kind of compare it to like Beatlemania. I know that's a crazy comparison, but that's the hysteria that goes on.
I don't think it's that crazy. I mean, there's no fandom like the Taylor Swift fandom.
I feel like Justin Bieber at one moment had like a huge fandom like that. Obviously Michael Jackson did, but I can't think of many other artists who get people this hype.
But I think Taylor Swift is almost in a league of her own because of the lore and the methodology that she generates in the easter eggs that she buries in any of her public appearances or her wardrobe, and then she follows back up on that in the album so she really does create a narrative quite unlike most artists out there.
Yeah, I think Taylor and Beyonce are really meticulous about how they launch albums or collections or anything they do. So it's fun to see people that are that dedicated to their work.
Okay, we have some news that is making my millennial heart flutter. Nelly and Ashanti are expecting their first baby together. Danielle, can we name it?
Is it the shan Is it the Chantelly Baby?
I'm really hoping they come up with something better than that. So just a little recap on their dating history. I mean, they were such a fixture in my childhood in the early two thousands, but they dated for nearly a decade back then, and then they also broke up for about ten years, but reunited in twenty twenty three and they've been together ever since. When I saw that they were back together, I was just like so overjoyed for them. This is Ashanti's first baby at forty three, which I
love that for her. I love that she's creating a family later in life. Such an inspiration. Nelly, who's almost fifty, has four kids. He has two from a previous relationship along with his late sister's children, whom he adopted in two thousand and five after she died of cancer. I just learned that these two coming back together starting a family together. I mean, this is up there with like Jada and Will for me, Freddie Pince Junior and Sia. Michelle Geller, what do you mean?
No, the Jada and Will love Ashanti and Nelly are not in that category.
No, that's crazy, top.
I completely disagree.
Maybe Ben and Jed I feel like they're making people want to contemplate getting back together with an X.
Yeah, I could see that. I love their music from back in the day, so agree to disagree.
I keep thinking, like, does the baby come out and they put like a little band aid under the eye for Nelly.
If it's a boy, there might be some band aid insignia, like sewn into a onesie or something. We'll have to wait and see.
They're definitely gonna have a fresh pair of Air Force ones Okay, I'm gonna stop making Nelly puns, but anyways, this is.
Gonna be the freshest little baby out there.
Okay, this next story is something I'm having a hard time talking about it.
It's straight out of my nightmares. Quite honestly.
Emma Roberts recently took to Architectural Digest for a home tour. I love those videos that they do. I can't believe celebrities let us into their houses like that.
Do you watch these?
I love this series. I'm obsessed with interiors, So this scratches that itch for me.
Okay, So Emma Roberts did hers and there's an entire wall of dolls. I'm talking Barbies, Babies, action figures.
She says that she.
Hopes that every night they're gonna come awake and it would be so thrilling, truly out of my mine. Do you have any dolls in your house? I know you have two boys, like, do they like any of those?
I don't have any dolls.
No.
I collect antiques though, I collect vintage furniture.
Okay, but that's cool, Thank you.
I appreciate it. You know. I've seen the response online to this, and I have to go off for a second on a little rant because it bothers me that people are making fun of Emma for collecting dolls. Especially I've seen some female empowerment accounts who are making fun of her for this, and I don't think that that's necessarily fair because men collect a ton of stuff too, like pocket knives, fighter jet models, cars, action figures, aka man dolls.
I mean it's the same thing so Christmas ornaments.
Yeah, Like I if she enjoys this and this brings her joy, like, let her have her little doll collection.
So it's hard for me to even imagine collections. I grew up in a family that said collections are for museums. Everything was like about essentialism. My parents were like anti stuff because my dad always said, if you collect stuff, then you have to spend money to store it and take care of it. And I think my grandfather was a depression baby, so it was just like no stuff. So I can't personally imagine, like I collect books. Maybe that's like the only thing that I have that even
rivals her doll collection. But I'm with you in terms of happiness. I mean, if that's what gives her joy, then all power to her.
There's this meme that's been going around for a little while, and it says that your thirties are all about reconnecting with the things that you loved in your teenage years. And I've been looking for ways to do that intentionally in my own life over the past year or so, and it has been so fulfilling. It's been so much fun to just tap into that childlike mentality and do the things that my teenage self loved, Like what like going to theme parks with my friends.
Also a thing of my nightmares, but keep going.
Like getting ready with my friends again, that's something that I feel like you lose in your thirties when you grow up, Like that time when you're getting ready in the bathroom with your girlfriends. That's such a sacred time and it's such a coming of age institution. So I've been trying to do that more. That's really fun.
That's so fun.
We used to sit on the floor in front of like those mirrors that you get at Target for twenty bucks and do our makeup and listen to music and talk about who we were going to see that.
Night exactly, talk about your crushes. It's fun.
Yeah, I agree with you.
Up next, we're talking women's health and wellness with doctor Jessica Shephard.
We'll be right back, y'all.
Welcome back, Simone and I are so grateful that our next guest is here with us today because you and I both have a lot of questions. For weeks, we've been seeing people post on Instagram and TikTok that document them getting off the pill because of the negative side effects that they say that they experience. And this is a big part of both of our algorithms now and we've been talking about doing this segment like for months.
It's really hard to watch this discourse take place online, not just because you know, of course, we don't like to see people in pain, but it's also clear that a lot of women don't have the information they need before they decide on contraception. And also it feels like they're getting gas lit whenever they do complain about their issues with contraception. But fortunately we have called in an expert, Danielle, We've got Obgin and CEO of sanctum Med. It's doctor
Jessica Shephard. Welcome to the bright Side. Hi everybody.
I'm so excited to be here on the bright Side, especially with you two amazing women.
Doctor Shepherd, it is so great to have you here. We've been talking about the growing number of social media posts on birth control and women are really questioning if they want to be on it or not. Where do you think this is all coming from and are you seeing it in your practice?
Yeah, you know, I think that there has been a lot that we've seen in the last maybe six months to a year when it comes to birth control, and I think that's because we're just more aware, we're more informed. I think the ability for us to have this information allows us to say, hey, I actually have a choice.
Now.
The backlash of that is that there usually is going to be a bad versus good right. That's usually where we see everything go with, Well, if you're on it, it's bad, and if you're off it, it's good. I don't think there's ever perfectly right answer, and so I think that's where that comes with the information which we'll get in our discussion, for people to actually have a choice and be okay with where they fall into if they're on or off.
As a physician an obgyn, I mean, you really are the ideal line of defense between information and misinformation. And I'm sure a lot of patients are bringing those questions into your office. So how do you help patients select their birth control in the first place. Yeah, that's a great question.
So going back to just a quick history of like when birth control came on the scene in the nineteen forties. It was the birth control pill, right, and so it wasn't perfect, but it was a great way for women to have the choice to prevent pregnancy. So fast forward to where we are here in twenty twenty four. Think about where we are right now through productive justice and how important birth control now is for some people in
certain states where they live. We're kind of back into place almost to like where we were in the nineteen forties as far as access and the ability for women to make decisions for themselves. The fact is that we have so many different varieties types ways that women can use birth control, and that's the beauty of it. So I usually counsel them on all forms of birth control, like literally everything that's out there. People will usually say, oh,
I'm not taking that, and I dig deeper. I'm like, oh well why, and what do you think about it? And a lot of times they'll be like, oh, well, I didn't really realize that that the information. Now I can kind of clear that off the slate and make a better decision for myself.
I can tell you why I haven't been on birth control for probably ten years. I mean, when I was first taking the pill, I struggled with depression. I did not feel like myself. I had suicidal thoughts. It got very severe for me. I also tried the neeuver ring on my freakin' honeymoon. I got migrains, which I think were connected to the neeuverring, And I think this is what women are struggling with. It's like, Okay, wait a minute,
I've had adverse experiences with birth control. I can point to three to six other girlfriends of mine who've had adverse experiences. How do I sort through the anecdotal evidence versus what we really know definitively about birth control.
I think that's a great place to for many women who were listening to being like that was me, Like I had something that happened, or I didn't feel like myself. Because everyone's feel physiology is so different, so it's very hard for me to predict how someone's going to respond to a certain form of birth control. So now let's go back to the fundamental of are you trying to
prevent pregnancy or not? And if someone is, I'm like, okay, let's go through all the different varieties and let's figure out let's tweak something for the birth control pill, say, we have so many different varieties in whether it has a different amount of estrogen in it, whether it's a monophasic, a triphasic, whether it's only progesterone. You know, maybe you're responsive to estrogen in a way that is not good for you. And I'm like, well, let's try a progesterone
only pill. And then I would say, even though it's a limited list, there are some birth controls that don't have hormones. But I do have a lot of patients who are like, I hear you, doctor Shepherd. I know you have other options. I'm not open to them. I just want to be off. And I'm like, great, yeah, that's patient autonomy, that's your choice.
Yeah.
What I'm hearing is that it's not a one size fits all approach or solution. I think what's so great about the Internet is that men are getting to share their stories. But what I'm recognizing is not everybody's body is the same.
One of the reservations that I have about birth control is how it manipulates the cycle. And I just feel like the cycle is an indicator of overall health for the female body, and so can you explain how does the pill change the cycle.
Yeah, so when you look at the phases of your menstrual cycle, you have the actual bleed, which is your menstruation, right, So that's kind of how we dictate what is day one of your cycle is your first day of a bleed, and that can last anywhere from five to seven days, and then you go to the follicular phase, right, so you don't get pregnant. It's like Groundhog's Day. Every month, your body is in default to get pregnant, so it's like, let's get pregnant, and then it doesn't, and it's like, oh,
and then every month it's like, let's get pregnant. So in birth control, what it's trying to do is prevent that actual follicle from releasing during the ovulatory portion, which is that just that short timeframe and when you release
an egg. And so in order for it to do that, the way that it does is it the lock up a better term, overrides the system, right, and so it's overriding what your body is continuing to do where it's saying I'm going to decrease, whether it's the lhed surge which comes right before ovulation, so that it's not a surge, and then the body will be like, oh, well, if the LH is not going up, then I'm not going to ovulate, And just putting in these subtle points throughout
the menstrual cycle in order for it to suppress either ovulation or not have the endometrial lining which is getting ready for that deposited fertilized egg to have the development that it usually does.
In terms of specific side effects for birth control, can we go through a few of them and bust some myths?
Yeah? Do it? Okay?
Does the pill increase risk of cancer?
That is a good question. So when we look at cancers, right, because it's never just one cancer. It decreases your risk of ovarian cancer, it reduces your risk of endometrial cancer. Does it increase your risk of breast cancer? Yes, with that caveat answer, I always say from a scientist's respective, when that answer is yes, you always have to add to that. But with what risk, right, because it can never just be a yes, it increases your risk or breast cancer, which I believe is what we see going
through kind of like social media. It's like a very simple kind of statement, birth control increases breast cancer? When we actually look at like the relative risk or the absolute risk of what it's going to increase it by, it actually is a very small risk of what it's going to increase it by. So let me even break
that down further for you. If you were to take all the reproductive organs, including breast, including that into the reproductive organs, the most deadly form of reproductive cancers is ovarian right. And so when you look at it from more of a broad perspective of everything that I do in my life, whether it's from a medication perspective, whether it's a lifestyle, whether it's walking down the street, is
a risk. How do I want to kind of prioritize that risk in what I'm looking for as an outcome. What's important for my health, what's important for my lifestyle. That's what I believe is more of the important question.
And like your family, I'm not good at science, but I can imagine family history comes into play. You really kind of have to be the CEO of your own.
Health, absolutely, and family history is an important part.
Okay, I have two more for you, birth control and infertility. Is there a link there?
We have a lot of studies looking at infertility and actual birth control, and it does not increase your risk of infertility. And the reason I'll even expound on that more is that infertility is caused by multiple factors and a lot of times it can be due to the tubes, it can be due to the ovary, can be due to the uterus, it can be due to the sperm right and so there can be a male factor of infertility.
So when you lump those all together, there has been no direct link between birth control causing one of those causes of infertility significantly. And the other thing that I would say is when we look at actual reasons for infertility nowadays, most of that will be two things such as pcos endometriosis. And then also we do have a higher age at which most women will have children now and that significantly increase your risk of infertility.
Can I ask one follow up question about the infertility? Does birth control cause temporary infertility? Not long term, but temporary as the cycle is getting back to normal. Is there any risk of temporary infertility?
Depends what kind of birth control you are on, because so if it say the IUD, the IUD is what we would consider a local form of birth control. So once you remove it, it's not there, and so fertility is resumed. Birth control pills the one that is in
you arm, the implanted one. Those ones because they're systemic and depending on how long they were used, once you come off, it does take some time for it to somewhat come out of your system completely, for your system to start doing the natural course of the ovulation and the menstrual and ludial and follicular phase, for it to now say, okay, we're doing full frontal of a cycle and I'm ready to get pregnant. So that timeframe is different for everyone, So I don't know if I would
term it like an infertile time. I would say it's more of like a resolution time that maybe some people are not getting pregnant. But I've had plenty of patients who come off and then the next month they get pregnant. But I do always make a disclaimer. I'll say, hey, coming off birth control, depending on how long they've been on, can take up to a year where you might become pregnant because of it coming out of your system, which I can never dictate how long it would be for someone.
Okay, the last one that I hear that's very common online is weight gain.
This is where I will personally say I have seen people have slight weight gains depending on which one. I will say that for people who are on the injectable, I do see a significant increase in weight for those patients. I would say with birth control pills, it's like a five to seven pound difference that I would see in patients. That's been validated in studies. But I also think a lot of that weight gain too, has to be this
difference in water retention. I will say that even I go through that now, you know, being on the IUD, at certain parts of my cycle, I'm like, oh, I'm definitely in that phase because I just look different me my hand's a bit different.
In my face also.
But then it's like the next week you're like, oh I am cut this week, and you're like, oh, well, I just didn't retain all that water. So the weight gain is I think is a very valid point. When patients bring that up to me, I do take that seriously because they know their body.
Doctor Shepherd.
We're going to take a quick break, but when we come back, we're talking more specifically about IUDs and the videos on social media. Of people recording their IUD procedures.
We're back, doctor Shepherd. I'd love to have you a in on the discussion around IUDs and the pain involved with these procedures, because this conversation is popping off on Instagram and TikTok right now. Patients are filming themselves getting an IUD inserted and removed. But from your perspective, is there any reason to believe that the IUD is any more problematic or risky than other forms of birth control.
I will say as a procedure, right, it's a procedure that's needed to take it in and also remove it. Granted, putting it in is much harder than taking it out. Is that it is. I like to put it in the category of uncomfortable. There are some people. I mean, I've put in thousands because I love IUDs, and so I would say, over the course of my fifteen plus years of putting it in, I do deposit with this
is an uncomfortable procedure. If at any moment it goes to exquisite or severe pain, I need you to let me know. And I think that's where as providers we fault. I have heard too many stories from patients where they get some type of procedure, whether it's an endometrial biopsy an IUD insertion, where there is no conversation about it, like we're going to do this, and your legs are up and then all of a sudden, there's instruments going into your vagina and there is no word about what's happening.
And so I've heard that, and I think that's where it becomes very painful, because there's no conversation about it.
Well, that's one of the questions that people are raising right now online. Should there be more anesthesia around this procedure? What do you think?
I think that if patients pain tolerance, okay, is very subjective, and that's why I'm talking about pain in this category of where between the two of you, you guys could have the same experience of an uncomfortable or painful situation and report it completely different. Right.
And so there are.
People who know I don't have a good pain tolerance, and I'm like, great, thank you for letting me know. I may give you an injection of lytocine into your cervix to help with the insertion.
Okay.
There are some people who are like, you know what I'm okay, let's try to let's go. I walk them through it. I tell them when the most uncomfortable portion is coming up. I also let them know at any time during this procedure, if you feel it's getting to a level where this is now really intolerable pain, you have to let me know.
I think that we.
Do need to take a step back as healthcare providers to give a voice to patients, to allow them to express what they may be feeling, what they're going through,
to be heard, especially women. One thing that we have not brought up in that conversation is again going to the intimacy of that actual kind of interaction, and for women who have maybe had some issues or maybe some exchanges or even assaults or trauma in their previous life and now something going on down there where there's not a lot of conversation that can trigger a lot of anxiety, which can heighten pain. It can trigger a lot of tense moments in the body that can trigger much more
pain that's felt. So I think again bringing it back from the patient perspective, am I okay? And then for providers to be a little bit more astute to saying are you okay? Is this something that is outside of this experience that maybe needs to be attended to before we actually go through with this procedure.
I took a college course about women's health that revolutionized my life, and one of the things that I learned that I realized a lot of women don't know is that during any procedure that you're having, your obgin should be talking you through it and saying, I'm inserting this, this is going to be cold.
And that actually cold ever warning about HL, but talking you through it really helps.
And I think that's something that people should know to expect and if you're not getting it, you should ask for it.
Yeah.
I think that patients can stop us.
What are you doing?
What's going on?
Yeah?
And sometimes we're not heard because we don't know what questions we should be asking. So, doctor Shepherd, what questions should patients be asking their doctor when they're considering changing to a new type of birth control or experimenting with one in the first place.
I think they should know what does it do? I think the questions that you asked previously on like how does it actually work? Because think about it's such an umbrella term birth control, right yet there's like what seven to ten different types of birth control? What are the different types, how do they work? And do you think this is a good fit for me?
Right?
I think those are valid questions to ask. I always say to patients, you know, if you feel that you get to the end of your appointment, which again is all short, and you know, cut off, that you didn't get all your questions answered, then don't make a decision in that time. Were the CEO of our health? Being the CEO requires doing research and saying for me as a person in the journey that I am in the time and space where I am and why I'm wanting to get this certain thing at the doctor's office, I
have to do the work as well. I have to do the work.
Well, that's where I'm really enjoying learning more about functional medicine. For anyone who doesn't know, functional medicine is a form of alternative medicine that focuses on identifying the root causes of disease and pain and doctor Shepherd, you studied at the Institute for Functional Medicine. So what is it that appeals to you about functional medicine and where do you see it offering an alternative to traditional Western approaches.
Yeah, that is, you know, a great way to segue into how I practice Now. You know, I started a very evidence based academic medicine and just over the years, I've really allowed myself to step back and say, how can I serve my page in another way where they're more a part of the actual diagnosis and management of their body. And that's where functional medicine comes in, because
it's behavioral change. Yep, it's lifestyle changes, which to me has been the hardest part of practicing medicine is because I will say, I know why this is happening from a functional standpoint, and here's how we can do this together. But you're going to have to do some of this work because it requires a lot of different changes.
Can you give us an example of some of those lifestyle changes? If a patient came to you seeking out a functional medicine approach, what kind of lifestyle changes would you prescribe in order to minimize painful periods or regulate hormones?
Absolutely, so, when we look at that actual cycle that we went through earlier in the different phases, is being very in tune with your body. So knowing when you're going through those different phases, and then in that is adjusting whether it's sleep, whether it's the type of exercise that you do, whether it's the type of food that
you eat. So I do believe that nutrition is one of the most important pillars of health, but in a conjunction with now how your body regulates and how your body changes the intake that you get through food according
to your cycle. That's like a revolutionary science that really requires you to listen to your body, to understand your body, and to pushing through those hard times initially when you start to make those behavioral changes, because your body is always going to want to revert back to what it does naturally or what it's been doing forever, and so that push through really is where you're going to get
the benefit. I've noticed for patients who have endometriosis, when we're actually able to restrict some things from their diet, they do see some changes in how they have pain or The best thing also is what we're able to do with our mind. I'm very big on mindfulness and the ability to mitigate and get through pain through our minds. But again that's a lot of work and a lot of what we see in Eastern medicine. But the ability to do that is there, and I firmly believe that.
I have one last question before you leave. I want you to talk about your philosophy as a physician.
Yeah. My philosophy really is I want people to be their best advocate and really tune into what do I want as the best outcome for myself in health because
I do believe that health is your best currency. You are the one who gets to decide what you want to show up with in twenty thirty years from now, and so having a team on your side from a medical perspective, from health advocacy perspective, and from who you surround yourself with and how they believe in health truly is going to form and weave this lifestyle for you in health and wellness and to give you the best outcome and to help build a legacy in health because
we have nothing butter health in the end, and you have to be willing to do the work in order to get that amazing outcome of impeccable quality of life.
Yes, well said, thank you for your time and for your great work.
Also, doctor Shepherd, I have to mention obgu I N's are heroes in my eyes, but specifically black obg I n's. I chose a black O BG in to deliver both of my babies because I felt scared and unsafe about the conditions that exist for black women in the medical system, especially as they're giving birth. Makes me emotional to talk about it. But thank you for pursuing this work and answering the call.
Thank you, I really appreciate that because it's rough out here in these streets. You know, it's not many of us, and the calling is like so intense because we see it and then we look at the force that we have and we're like, there's only so many of us. How do we actually like accommodate this great need?
Yea?
And it sometimes it's heartbreaking because you're like, I can't get to everybody and I want to, and how do we do this? So thank you for those words, because you know, we have little groups of like obgyn's and we talk and you know, we go through some of the times that we hear of tragedies and we're just like, I don't understand why it keeps happening, you know. So it's very heartbreaking and from a standpoint of people who do it as their work, but we can't fix it. Yeah, sometimes it's hard, but.
You are fixing it just by existing. Like just knowing that I can seek out a black obgyn and I can feel safe with her, feel safe with someone like you. That is part of the solution.
I appreciate that.
Doctor Shepherd. Thank you so much for coming here and bringing honesty. I actually love that you were like, listen, there's not always going to be a clear answer to this question. There is nuance here, and that's so important. I'm someone who exists in the nuance. I seek it out. I appreciate it, and I'm so happy that you brought that to our show. So thank you for having me.
I love this conversation.
Jessica Shepherd is an obgin and the founder and CEO of Sanctum med and Wellness.
Okay, before we wrap today's show, I just want to say that doctor jess is a.
Unicorn to me.
What do you mean by that?
I find her to be one of the most smart, thoughtful doctors that I've ever interviewed, and I've interviewed it done and she just I love her holistic approach to medicine and to science and to our bodies. The functional medicine approach is something I think we both love.
I really appreciate a doctor who refuses to stay stale in the past. She is constantly growing and evolving and learning. I mean, she studied at the Institute for Functional Medicine, so she is constantly seeking out new approaches to her field and what she does and looking for ways to better serve our patients. For me, the biggest takeaway from that conversation is to be your own best advocate, and that is the cornerstone of her philosophy as a physician.
And I just think that that's so important whatever kind of medical treatment you are seeking, you know, whether you're looking for birth control, whether you are you know, recovering from some sort of trauma, whether you're giving birth.
Yeah, And I also think that our lives are so cluttered, we're consuming so much. There's so much information that it's really hard to take the time to be the CEO of your own health, Like our health is like number one. So I like that reframe. I like taking responsibility for your own health. And I love what you said at the end of that interview in terms of seeking out a black OBGYN. Doctor Shepherd has been so committed to creating safe spaces for patients and for women. She even
started her own practice, Sanctum Met and Wellness. I'm just grateful for people like her.
Anyone who is her patient. So lucky, yests Danielle. I am so stoked to report that we are going to be making this a regular thing. We're going to have on a women's health expert about once a month to answer our health questions and take care of some very crucial myth busting for us. So send us an email or a voice note with your questions to Hello at the bright sidepodcast dot com.
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