Hello Sunshine. Hey besties, Today I'm the bright Side. We've got another Shelf Life segment for you. And today we're talking with Namante, Nnkimo and Mitch Anderson that they're co authors. At the latest Reese's Book Club pick, we will be Jaguars. Inter compelling memoir, Namante chronicles her life in the Amazonian rainforest and how she became the first female leader of the wail Rani people.
And later we'll hear from entrepreneur, author, and former Finance reporter Nicole Lappin. She's talking all about passive income, how to make money when you're sleeping.
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It's Tuesday, November twenty sixth.
I'm Danielle Robe and.
I'm Simone Boyce and this is The bright Side from Hello Sunshine, a daily show where we come together to share women's stories, laugh, learn and brighten your day. Is it possible for one person to change the course of an entire ecosystem or even the world if anyone can. It's Namante Nankim. Raised in the heart of Ecuador's Amazonian jungle as a proud member of the wile Rani tribe. She's on a mission to protect indigenous rights and preserve
the dignity of her people. And she's telling her own story for the very first time.
And I think there's an emphasis on that word story because in wile Rani culture, stories are living beings. She says, they stalk like jaguars. They're powerful beings that are always changing. A story dies when no one tells it. Namante was I think destined, but also incredibly determined to make sure
women around the world heard her story. She writes, to bring people together and ensure that her people's story not only lives on, but that she's able to change the hearts and minds of those who don't have an understanding of ra Rannie culture.
She's accomplished an astonishing amount in her thirty nine years of life. In twenty nineteen, she became the first female leader of the Wawani people and guided them to victory in a landmark court case that provided protection over half a million acres of rainforest from oil companies. And in twenty twenty, she was named a Times list of the most influential people in the world and received the United Nations Champions of the Earth.
Award, and all of those astonishing awards almost pale in comparison to her message, her words, and her story. She really has so much to share. There's a quick note that we want to share with you guys. Namante speaks fluent Spanish, so when we recorded this interview, her husband and co author of the book, Mitch Anderson, translated for us, and then we invited a voiceover performer to record Namante's parts of the conversation so that it's all as seamless
as possible. Welcome to the bright Side, Namante and Mitch. We're so happy to have you.
You mentees, Demustine content.
Likewise, thanks so much to all of you for giving us this opportunity to recount our history we've worked together, and also for me, it's a special moment to be in this space.
It's a specials tam Vian. We want to begin with the title of your memoir, as it has two different versions. In the US it's titled We Will Be Jaguars, while in the UK it's We Will Not Be Saved? Why did you choose different titles for these markets?
The English speakers flew over a territory, the companies flew over talking about development. That's how they arrived to our territory. With beautiful words, but they cheated us out of a lot of our territory using fear, government invasions, oil invasions. The outsiders saying that the indigenous knowledge of the indigenous people is not the same worth as the knowledge of
white people, and they did harm. The other thing I had in mind is that one has to reflect on their own life and break from the world that comes to invade from itself. No one can save one another, but one can save oneself. So what I'm trying to say in this title is no one's going to save you. You can save yourself. You can take care of yourself. You respect yourself. This is what I'm trying to say with that title, we will not be saved. The other title,
we will be like jaguars. This is very sacred for me and my people. They believe that the jaguar is their god because their ancestors had a vision, and in this vision, the jaguar came to tell a story about a threat to the territory. The elders have said that we walk around our territory in the afterlife, that when we die, we are going to become a jaguar. The spirit of a jaguar we will continue to walk and
protect our family in territory. This is the belief of our culture that when I die, I will change into the spirit of a male jaguar, and I will continue living walking. If a man dies in my tribe, he will change into a woman. So this is a very profound belief of ours So that I learned from my dad that he learned from my oldest grandparents. I've been learning what this means since I was a child, and the relationship that we have to this idea. I see that the jungle is alive and we have so much
connection to it. We live their nature itself and its animals and our sleep. We transform into animals and they teach us how to detect a threat or danger or sickness. Through animals, we can communicate to ourselves. So the jaguar is a very important animal to us because it's our god. For us, it is sacred. We have a lot of respect for it. That's why I titled it this way. And I feel very happy that this story gets to live, that this title has to live. We will be jaguars.
You cannot separate the spirit of the jaguar from the well Ronnie people Namonte.
You write in the intro of your book, a story dies when no one tells it. This story, this movement is so much bigger than you, than just one person. And we were speaking before we started rolling on our conversation, and we were talking about the fact that we're both moms, and I have to imagine that that factors into your activism and the lens through what you see your work, what's your why and also who are you doing it for?
More important sign.
Question is very important and very significant for us. I come from this lineage that goes back many years for contact to our world. Our weal Rani culture is very strong, fierce. It doesn't permit invasion into our territories because they protected this massive territory so much for the sake of the future, their children and future generations to be able to have this space. They dreamed that this vitality gave life to the planet. They already had their own language and knowledge.
It is very important to relay the history well.
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Culture always tells oral histories in the mornings and nights, during work, while fishing all the time, always recollecting, singing, always with happiness. My dad said that now we have contacted the outside world. We already know it, but the world only cares about oil mining resources. The world sees that the jungle as green but barren. The world sees that the indigenous people have no knowledge, but it's actually the other way around. The indigenous world respects mother Earth
with a very profound love. It has a very close relationship with the earth in nature. This for this reason, my father said, why you need to tell the story. I've been watching for many years and I've been seeing that as ancestors die, history dies. So as a woman and a mother, I thought this work of telling the history needs to be done because often not only my people, they're looking to mothers and grandmothers for these stories, and
as they die, knowledge goes, history dies too. So we must listen to our elders who said all the same thing. The outside world does not know the jungle well, but it will try to destroy it. So this was my inspiration as well as my father who motivated me. He told me that you have grown as a daughter. I am so proud of you and the work that you've done. You have united with other peoples. Now it's not just enough anymore. It is time to launch like a lance
lying in the air. He told me that he was now throwing me out into the world as a symbol. We tell his story and it goes out into the world. So I was born to write history, and in the book I was real and sincere, I'm not really much of a writer. This book transforms oral storytelling into writing things. To my husband, he comes from the outside and he can write and read, whereas my people come from the world to oral stories and dreams. So this history is true.
It is the history of my childhood. It is a history of collaborations of different people's collective knowledge. So the story is a recollection of our lives, of our history. Because the outside system is threatening to enter day by day, the indigenous have to defend ourselves. And my father told me, Nemo, you're in a hurry in your explaining and doing all
this work. But it is not just for you. This history, this fight, this resistance will be seen by those behind you, not just your children, but the future generations of the world.
I was reading about the Waurani tribe and it's said that there's a deep connection to the natural world, but also spirituality and dream interpretation, and a big value of the community is resistance to external exploitation. Your book details how oil companies have contributed to climate change in the Amazon.
I'm curious how.
You've seen your environment change over time and how climate change directly impacted your community and tribe.
Yok ok And I think that the older people have been able to detect a rapid change in the climate in their territories. There's really nothing else like it in the world. Some people hope that, oh, it's just a hurricane or a rain or a bit drought, just one event. But the science says it is climate change, that it's affecting this. And what I've seen in my father in older people is that they'll tell me, Nemo, we should store fruit for the animals to eat. That this isn't
just climate change. The earth is not bearing fruit. They'll say. Animals are coming to the farms to eat potatoes and plantains that is not usually in their diet. There is water that is drying up, which is a problem for the turtles because they lay eggs in the water they make nests. There was one turtle that during laying the season didn't lay any eggs. My father says that this is a sign from Mother Earth. Mother Earth has her own language, and the elderly listen to her. They understand
her and listen to her closely. But the world outside has to wait for a big thing like a hurricane, a big disaster, and they'll say, oh, climate change is happening. They expect there to be a big statement. But the indigenous people live inside this connection. The elders can detect even the smallest of changes, and what they're saying is this is bad. It may be hard for you to understand. You have your own outside language and the signs are not being shown always. But for the elders, they see
everything that is happening through every change and season. They can evidently tell what is happening, but the outside world does not understand it.
Okay, so I'm holding up a copy of your book. We will be Jaguars. And there's a sticker here that is a very big deal in the book world. It says Reese's Book Club on it. You are officially a Reese's Book Club pick Namante, and I know that your mission extends far beyond the literary world. But what does this validation mean to you?
But me is SIGNI.
It's really significant for me because it will reach more women. This book tells the story of my childhood, a story of my body, my life, my youth, my trauma, a trauma which I for a long time without telling my father or my mother or my friends about. I kept silent about it, and I didn't live very well and I felt bad. So I had the courage to break through this this continuing to live in fear of getting hurt or being told that my trauma was my fault. No.
I spoke the truth, and I felt relieved. I think it was a great form of therapy. I cried a lot, saying that I have never had a year feel this long in many years. So now I feel strengthened and free. And I hope this book reaches many women and it touches their hearts and their traumas and their environments. And I had dreamed about a book being selected. In reality, Mitchie told me that this book was going to have
a big impact. And then I heard that the book had been selected, and thought that, oh, my dream had come true, and this will go far and break the silence of the traumas that people have endured. It will be as if they were dead and are now waking up. I feel that women are going to wake up and use their voices, and tears came to my eyes. I don't know how to express it. I was with Mitch when it happened, and my dad was far away, but I thought of my dad and I just started crying.
My struggles have reached the world and they fly free like the wind.
We have to take a quick break, but we'll be right back with more from authors Namante and Chimo and Mitch Anderson. We're back with authors Namante and Kimo and Mitch Anderson. Mitch, I'm so curious about your experience as an American entering a culture different from your own, immersing yourself in it. How did you approach this.
I grew up in the Bay Area. I grew up in the city and in the suburbs California. I grew up never planted my own food or fishing or hunting, turned on the tap, didn't know where the water really came from. There's water there, and we would drive around the cars and go to the gas station and Philip gasoline. Didn't know where the gasoline came from. Really just a really deeply ignorant and sheltered in existence. And when I
moved to the Amazon. It's a long story. I met people that changed my life, met people that had friend Amerhillo Creolo who was in the book who lived down river from the oil fields and oil contamination and lost his children to reckless oil pollution and his rivers, but carried with him this bright light and termination to organize
his community and build solutions. I think that meeting communities impacted by industrial civilization's addiction to fossil fuels and under standing my complicity and our complicity in that was part of my journey. Nemo writes in her book about you know this like white savior mentality and complex and that causes a lot of harm. And I moved to the Amazon with the desire to learn from the communities and
unlearn a lot about my own life and upbringing. And I think that curiosity and that desire to learn and understand different ways of living, the depth of memory and connection with the land and living in community, it was really joyful for me and liberating for me. And if you go down to the Amazon and spend time in communities, you'll see that despite all of the threats, the logging, the mining, the oil, what you're going to hear most is laughter and song and kids playing in the village.
That's how I approached it, you know. I think from a place of humility and curiosity and wanting to learn and then figure out how to be useful communities that are struggling to protect their way of life and the forest.
Tell Namante that she's got a good man. We need more men like you and the world, Mitch, who are just willing to be quiet and learn. It sounds like that's what you did when you went to the Amazon, Sama. I want to know the story of how you two met.
I was working independently with the researcher of my language, my culture to be like a dictionary of her own histories and songs, things like that. And there was a conflict between the Daggetti and Larani who lived deep in the jungle, in the area called vam Axis, the heart of the Jungle. It involved the oil industry and they
were conflicts and massacres. So I went to see the situation, and there were other people who were there observing what was happening and doing interviews, anthropologists from Ecuador and at the international level. It was there that I'm at, Mitch, and before meeting me, he had been independently working with other indigenous peoples and visiting other communities.
You both keep mentioning this struggle between the tribe and the major oil companies. Are you able, Mitch, to kind of share what was at the core of this struggle.
So, the headwaters of the Amazon rainforest sits above a sea of oil, and the indigenous peoples and the Warani describe the oil under the forest as the blood of
their ancestors. And it was in the mid sixties when American oil companies geologists discovered that sea of oil, and they began massive oil production and exploitation in the headwaters of the greatest rainforest on the planet, the Amazon, and the ancestral home of Nemonte's people and dozens of other indigenous cultures and companies made a deliberate decision to save a couple dollars per barrel of oil produced and deliberately
dump toxic wastewaters into the rivers. They created shoddy infrastructure and pipelines that spilled oil into the rivers as well, and all of this while promising development and riches and abundance and wealth. But what they ended up doing over the course of half century was despoiling environment, creating the possibility for colonists and loggers and miners to enter into indigenous territories, and it created some of the most massive
wealth inequalities across the country. The areas where oil is produced in the Amazon are also the poorest areas. Indigenous peoples of the Amazon were not poor, They didn't live in They lived in abundance until the oil companies arrived, surrounded their villages, roads, oil infrastructure, and created essentially a
situation of dependence. And then fast forward sixty seventy years and in twenty twelve, the Equadorian government decided that they were going to auction off seven million acres of the Ecuadorian Amazon in the south central part of the amazon An area, overlapping Nemonth's ancestral land and where she was born, and they didn't consult with the indigenous communities. They essentially flew in and planes and helicopters and had community leaders
signed things that they didn't understand. And essentially this was a death sentence for indigenous cultures and a death sentence for the forest. And the Monthly became the first woman leader of her people. Together with the Sable Alliance and Amazon Frontlines and her people. She ended up leading zil Distant Struggle, leveraging new technologies, storytelling, media, legal strategies to file a lawsuit against the government and show that indigenous
peoples have the right to decide what happens in their land. Ultimately, she won, her people won. The struggle protected a half million acres of forest and set a precedent for indigenous peoples across the Amazon to protect their forests as well and ultimately keep millions of barrels of oil in the ground that otherwise would be burned and would accelerate the climate crisis and climate change globally.
Wow, you both have developed two organizations that advocate for the preservation of the rainforest and its people. One is called the Sabo Alliance and the other is the Amazon front Lines. Can you walk us through what those organizations each do.
Are Yes, there's an organization Sable Alliance, which is just the members of four nationalities of unities. We've formed this organization to be able to defend our territory and identity, our culture and to empower young people and women to be leaders. We know that our territory is threatened daily by capitalism and our government. Our territory has resources, minerals, petroleum, but it's been deforceded, so Alliance formed. I'm the person who helped found it. Alliance is the result of dreams.
We have allies with the organization Amazon Frontlines teams from different places like Columbia, Peru, the United States, Europe. They come to Ecuador and accompany our organization in our communities with a lot of listening and respect. Unity is very important to me, not only with other indigenous people and their knowledge of the world, but the world outside needs to understand the too. Our collaborators have been very close
and affectionate as friends and brothers. That's what we try to do to teach others this knowledge and about the threat globally that comes from the outside. So that's our dream and we are trying to strengthen it. We've been working on this for nine years. Our collaborators are also here to guide and teach us about new technologies, so they have a lot to learn from us and we have a lot to learn from them.
If our listeners want to support you, what can they do.
We buy a book and buy it for your friends, or get it for Christmas which is coming up soon, so that people can learn more about the jungle, learn more about indigenous culture, and look at our web page about our work with organizations and support what we do for the planet. This book is the result of my people's resistance and the resistance of other peoples from the Amazon.
So our hope is to see with next steps that and I don't know what the future will hold, but I know that making this knowledge visible is very important so the outside world can understand and respect it.
Well, Mitch and Amante, as we wrap up this conversation, here's something that we'd love to leave our bright Side besties with today. Is there a Waarani word or concept that weighs heavily on you throughout this conversation that perhaps can't be translated in English.
I get that, see listen.
I have a lot of words that cannot really be translated into English or in Spanish, like rituals or songs. I don't really know how to say it, but it is joy. For example, there is how we express joy. There's no word or sound for it in these languages, like the sound that we make coo, which is how we express joy. I think that this book is the way that you share your voice to tell this history to your friends, your family. I also feel like this
is a very powerful story. It is a symbol of resistance of ancestors, of women and children, the message of my territory.
You are both such an inspiration. Thank you, Thank you so much for joining us.
Grass that is the meing is meaning. Thanks to you all as well.
The space is very important to be able to tell my history and my work. This book is the result of resistance, my people's resistance and the resistance of other peoples in the Amazon. We hope to see you soon.
Thanks so much for having us.
Namante Nankimo is a well Ronnie leader, an activist, and the author of We Will Be Jaguars. Her husband, Mitch Anderson, is the co author of We Will Be Jaguars and the founder and executive director of Amazon Frontlines.
We have to take another short break, but we'll be back in just a minute. Don't go anywhere, okay, Vesti's before we go today, we have a special segment for you in partnership with Airbnb. Nicole Lappman is a finance reporter turned entrepreneur and the host of the podcast Money Rehab, where She breaks down all things finance, from getting out of debt and starting to invest to finding the right financial advisor, and today she's here to dive into one
of her favorite topics, building passive income. Okay, Nicole, you have been telling me and telling the world that we should be leaning in and being a rich bitch for a long time. I remember being in Chicago seeing you on TV talking about money, and you said that you were talking about money because it wasn't spoken about in your household growing up.
It wasn't spoken about in my household. It wasn't taught at school. I mean, did you learn it at school.
Because no, I definitely didn't learn it at school.
Yeah, and very few of us talk about at home. Look, I think we should cut ourselves some slack because we don't learn this stuff in school, so we can't expect to be financial perfectionists from the jump. We all make money mistakes, myself included when I went to school in Chicago. Actually, I got into a credit card debt right after I graduated. I had to put myself on a brown rice and beans diet because it felt fancier than Robin so I
could pay down my debt. You can't fix money problems that you don't admit you have, which is why we talk about that all the time on Money Rehab. We all need a little money intervention now and then. We all have money problems, and I think the biggest issue is that we don't talk enough about them. I think it's important to remember that personal finance is personal, but it's also not that complicated, and it can definitely feel that way because there's just so much jargon in it.
And that's why my mission is to create a jargon free zone in my books, podcasts, across my company, because I I think that's the way to make all of this more approachable.
Well, one of the conversations of the many that you have are about side hustles, and I was reading that women are actually fifty percent more likely than men to have a side hustle, So I'd love to focus on that today. On your podcast, you said millionaires have an average of seven streams of income.
That was shocking to me.
I definitely don't have seven streams of income, but I'm also not a millionaire, so tell me what I'm doing wrong.
Yeah, the average millionaire does have seven streams of income between their actual income businesses, rental properties, investments, passive income and the rest. Most of us can't survive off an income alone, let alone by a house or retire from it. So I think we all want to copy and paste what the rich to do in ways that work for us. Passive income is ideal, right. We think of income that's passive as something that doesn't require active work.
But a lot of.
Passive income streams are just myths, as you know, and they actually require a lot of effort or startup costs to accomplish. The one that anyone can do is invest into the market by getting dividends or interest payments. That's the way your money can work for you while you're literally doing nothing, while you're sleeping.
You know.
Another go to answer for a lot of us is renting our house on Airbnb. If you're traveling somewhere and your house just sits, they're empty, you could collect cash instead of that, so you could rent your parking spot. You could sell stock photos, you can invest in boring businesses like vending machines or ATMs. There's a lot of different options for you, but it's definitely something that we should all aim for.
Well, you said, Personal finance is personal. So I'm gonna ask you a personal question. How many streams of income do you have?
I have more than seven. I actually talk about this in my books. I talk about how much money I make. I'm very, very open and honest about it. So, yeah, I go through different streams of my own income, and they're more than seven. But the the easiest ones are investing into the stock market.
When anyone is thinking about pursuing a side hustle, my sort of question is when does it crossover from hobby to side hustle. How much should a side hustle make to be worth your time.
I think anything that it makes counts as an income stream or a revenue stream. There is a fine line between having a hobby and what I call a jobby. There are a lot of things that we can do that could make money that are just hobbies, and that's okay. Not everything has to make money that we do, and oftentimes when we transition into having that hobby make us money, it doesn't bring us the same type of joy.
Right. So, if you love baking cupcakes and you.
Bake cupcakes for all your friends and it gives you so much joy, it's almost meditative to be cooking, but once you start selling them, then you have to do the accounting.
Then you have to clean up. You have to be the janitor. You know, when you're starting a business like.
That, you wear a lot of hats, and so just remember that not everything you do has to be a money maker.
Well, in that vein, what is your analysis on whether an investment in a side hustle is worth the risk? How do you know when to walk away from a passive income opportunity that's not working.
I think it's in my second book, Boss Bitch, where you can do a cost benefit analysis of what the startup costs will take and what the ROI is, because you really want to.
Just lay it all out. The biggest anxiety comes from.
Not knowing about your finances, and so oftentimes we suffer more in imagination than in reality. We think that either it's too expensive or it's not making enough money, but we don't really stop and think how much is it making or how much is it costing. So I think it's about being really honest from the jump about what it is. And again, not everything has to make money, but clearly laying out what that cost benefit analysis is will help you narrow it down.
Nicole, tell me more about what made you decide to host on Airbnb.
I think for me what was important to think about was just the time that went into it. I wanted to have something that was passive, but starting to host on my own felt really daunting. I really liked the new co hosting feature that they have on Airbnb. Brian Chesky, the CEO, just came on our show and talked about that because I think it takes a lot of the
complication out of hosting. You know, if you're going to go away and you were renting your house for a week, obviously if you live somewhere else, you can't come back and change your sheets, and so I think that trying to take out some of the friction there has become easier and easier on Airbnb, you know. I think it's just about looking at your assets and seeing where they can make more money for you.
I really loved the episode of Brian on your podcast, and he talked about what makes a great host and his hospitality philosophy on your podcast. One of the fun things that stuck out to me was he bakes his signature chocolate chip cookies for guests I'm curious if you have any special touches when you host.
I like to think of what somebody might be when they're staying and also stalking drinks, water, wine, that type of stuff.
But I think you can do small touches.
If a guest mentions that they're coming to town to do a tour or an activity, you can find something local that makes their visit a little bit more special.
For anybody who's listening to this and thinking, I am a parent, I have two jobs already, Like, why would I get myself into the side hustle game?
What would you say?
I think that it's about ultimately how much you keep, not how much you make, that matters the most. And so I think your base income can't grow real lasting generational wealth. There are easy ways to make extra income that will not require you to do a ton of work. And I think that we work so hard for our money.
As you know all too well, it's time at return the favor, right And so when I started investing for the first time, it amazed me that I could invest in low cost s and P five hundred index funds or atfs. These are just collections of stocks that track the whole market rather than individual companies that have a lot of risks. You have built in diversification at a low cost, and I think that keeping that in mind helps us.
Remember that we flip that equation. Our money really can work for us.
Before you leave me.
Anytime I have the opportunity to speak to a financial expert, I ask them this question, what is the number one negotiation tip you've ever received.
Negotiation for a job or negotiation for contract. I love negotiating. Negotiating is the only cardio I've been getting lately.
But tell me more.
I'll tell you this the one that has always stuck out to me.
I interviewed Rebecca min Coff years ago, and she said, throw out a number that makes you want to throw up, and that always stuck with me.
Bo Saint John talks about that too, like throwing out a ridiculous number. I think that that can work in the right circumstances for sure, because you know, oftentimes you won't get to that ridiculous number if you aren't the one to throw it out first. But sometimes people can say that's negotiating against yourself, right, I think in the right scenario, it's awesome.
That's well said Okay, I know you're a responsible gal, But do you invest your money that you make from being an airbnb host or do you go out and spend it on green stilettos or anything else green stilettos? Well, I know your signature color is green.
Oh, yes, I think that green is always in style. Yes, wherever I can, I try to invest. It really does become addicting.
Are you an investor. Do we have to talk about this?
No, we can.
Yeah.
I have been an investor for about three years and it's totally changed my life. Actually, when I was going through a little bit of a harder financial time, it was that passive income every month that was really helping me stay afloat.
Yeah.
I think it becomes really addicting when you see what it can do for you. As it grows, you just want to put more and more into it. Yes, and you have to kind of have a balance between forgiving your former self for maybe what she didn't know with financial literacy or about investing. Because I was reporting on
this stuff. God more than twenty years ago, when Google announced Gmail or Apple announced their iPod, I found these old old videos of me when I was eighteen on the floor of the exchange, and I wish I'd put money in Apple or in Google at the time. And every time I see stuff like that, I'm like, my god, why did I buy anything?
I should have just put it all in those stocks.
And sometimes you have remorse for like, oh, I wish I would have known this earlier. But you're never as young as you are today. Today is as good a day as any to get started. And you can only forgive your former self or what she didn't know, but give your future self some tough love now that you do know more and now that you do have the resources.
I like the idea of giving your future self some tough love. That's great.
Yeah, it's true. We all didn't learn this stuff in school. Most of us didn't learn it at home. I grew up in an immigrant family. Nobody was talking about it, and so that sucks and that's not fair. But ultimately it only hurts me if I continue to bury my head in the sand because of that excuse.
Nicole, I would say, like seven years ago, my mom called me, and so my mom was a CPA sells mortgages, still works to this day, and she is like excited by money. She loves talking about it, understanding it my girls. Seven years ago, she calls me and she was like, Okay, I saw this girl on TV.
You need to know her. She's fabulous. Her name, Oh is Nicole Lapping not me? Oh my god.
Mom.
Yeah. So you've been speaking to I think to everybody, but particularly to women, for such a long time.
You do really great work.
Thank you so much.
That's so nice.
Thank you so much for your time.
Thanks Danielle, You're the best.
Nicole Lappan is the host of the Money Rehab podcast and the founder of Money News Network. This segment was produced in partnership with Airbnb.
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