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And welcome back to Coast to Coast George Nori with you, Paul Levy our special guest, and we'll take calls with Paul next hour on Coast to Coast. Paul, who unleashed this watigo on us? This mind virus.
Yeah, well, that's a very interesting question, and there are a lot of theories, like some people think, oh, there was a collective trauma that our species suffered, you know, centuries ago, or these negative ET's. But I point out, like in my new book on watiko, because I've written three I you know, my opinion is that it's something that we are complicit in unconsciously creating each and every moment, to the extent that we're that we're unaware of it.
And so it's sort of like you know, with unhealed the ancestral abuse. It gets passed down over the generations, and you know, if people don't heal it, they're just faded to unwittingly be the instrument to pass it on. And I think that's a good metaphor to the extent that we're asleep to certain parts of ourselves we're going to get compelled to act them out unconsciously, and because it's unconscious, it's going to not be constructive, but it's
going to be in a hurtful way. And I think that's very related to the answer to your question.
Is there any way the mind virus could be beneficial to us?
Yeah? Well, the mind virus is a quantum phenomena. And what I mean by that, you know, is that same thing with what is the nature of light? Well, sometimes it manifests as a wave, other times as a particle. It depends how it's observed. Being a quantum phenomena. This this mind virus, it has it's the source of the greatest evil and encoded hidden within it, it's actually helping us to wake up. And how it manifest Is it going to take us down or is it going to
awaken us? It depends if we have the recognition of what it's revealing to us.
Your awakening star in nineteen eighty one, so you're talking about thirty some years ago. Have you ever seen it? Have you ever seen a point today where this is as bad as it gets with what's going on on the planet.
You know, it's it's insane and it's total, it's a total collective psychosis. But what I'm pointing out of my work again and again is that you know, when something unconscious is at the point of beginning to be integrated so as to assimilate back into our wholeness, it gets dreamed up in projected form, seemingly out there in the outside world. And so what's happening, it's actually like the Watiko mind virus, is this revelation. It's a living revelation.
Something is being revealed to us through the darkness. So instead of like when you know, two thousand years ago with Christ coming down from the heavens, you know, through in light, know, the divine is actually revealing itself from the underworld through the darkness, and it's showing us exactly what we need to know in order to wake up.
Would you believe through quantum physics we can pull.
Out of this oh completely quantum physics. In Indevent and Buddhism, there's a tradition called the hidden Treasures where these treasures are discovered right at the moment when they're most needed to help the community, you know, get back in balance and to deepen their awakening. And I point out that quantum physics is a modern day analogue to one of these hidden treasures. We have collectively dreamed up the revelation of quantum physics, both into the world and into our minds,
so as to awaken us. But if we don't recognize what it's revealing to us, then it does us no good at all. So my whole work is continually from as many points of view as I can imagine, trying to point out what it's showing us.
Well, how did you pull yourself out of the hole that you're in? They were diagnosed with a severe psychotic break.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, no, totally. Well I had no idea. But that's typical of when somebody gets called to be, you know, and I'm no shaman, but I mean, I'm only a shaman in my wild the streams. Yeah, it's typical in the archetypal pattern, when you get called to be a shaman or a healer or a teacher. Typically what happens is from the outside, it looks like you're going crazy. And I was That's exactly what happened to me.
And this was in nineteen eighty one, and no one understood, and right away I got into clutches of psychiatry, and they immediately pathologized me. But the thing that saved me, I knew. It was completely made crystal clear to me that I was having a spiritual awakening. And so my entire universe was telling me I had this mental illness and I was going to have to be on medication, you know, till my dying breath, and I just thought
they were crazy. And so it just took me a little while to extricate myself from psychiatry and to continue mind my awakening. And I realized that, you know, my encounter with psychiatry was sort of a Hichoshamonic descent into the darkness of the underworld.
What did the psychiatrist say after you basically cured yourself?
Well, they you know, I haven't I mean, I was actually really good friends with some psychiatrists who unfortunately have passed away. But I stay away from psychiatry, I don't, you know. I mean, and actually I do have psychiatrists as clients. Interesting, so now they pay me money to talk to me, so that it's really come full circle. But yeah, you know, psychiatry, Like I mean, I'm just blown away by how asleep the traditional academically trained psychiatrist is so I kind of keep my distance.
Paul, give us some tips, some pointers on what individuals can do who find themselves in the middle of this mess that's all over the place. How do they pull themselves out of it?
Right? Well, one of the things that I point out that's the most important sort of medicine for the WATICO mind virus is to get in touch with your creativity, you know, because this mind virus has no creative there's no creativity on its own. It's a master impersonator. The apocryphal text calls it the counterfeiting spirit. It impersonates us. But how it works, if we're not tapping in consciously to our own creativity, this mind virus will access it
and turn our own creativity against us. So that's why it's profoundly important for each one of us to connect with our creative nature, because that is our true nature. Our true nature is to be creative, and when we plug into that, we embody and express ourselves creatively, and that deepens our realization of our nature in a positive feedback loop that creates light.
Paul, one of the founding fathers of quantum physics, was Albert Einstein. If you had a chance to sit down with the guy, what would you be talking to him about?
Yeah, well, he actually said, he goes, quantum physics is so uncommonly important, it should be everyone's concerned. But he could never embrace what quantum physics was showing us because he was still attached to that there was an objective world separate from the observer. He could never let go of that. And that's what I would sort of help him to inquire into, because quantum physics empirically proves that that's a nonsensical idea, that it's only an idea in
our head with no corlator reality. There's nothing objective out there separate from our perception.
Will quantum physics, through this revelation keep most people from going nuts?
Well, it can. I mean keep in mind, you know this mind virus, it's a collective psychosis and we're all impacted by it, and you know, it's getting more and more challenging to keep our connection with our basic sanity. Like, for example, I think of one quantum physicist who I know, you know. He he would say, yeah, when when I get depressed, there are two things that help I guess the first would be I would listen to the Beethoven, and the second would be I would read quantum physics
because quantum physics it's like a psychedelic drug. It's so psychoactivating what it's pointing at. And the whole book that I wrote, it's trying to show.
That truly remarkable. Paul, your books are all available. The other one, the updated version, comes out in December of twenty four. How much how different is it from the original.
Yeah, I would say it's about maybe ten percent different in that I went through the whole book and you know, like adding little jewels. I you know, I would add, you know, a sentence or a paragraph. But then I got some downloads that I didn't realize what I wrote when I wrote the first edition, and so you know, there are some new sections that are completely not in the first book.
Now, what do you mean by quantum physics as a living revelation?
Yeah, not only is it, you know, like the insights that are emerging from quantum physics are helpful, but quantum physics itself is a revelation. It's a complete and utter it's nothing other than a revelation. But it's so profound and it's so radical that it's already been or it's only been one hundred years, and we're at the beginning stages, you know, and all it's changed the whole course of
history with all the technology. But the physicists are saying that's just the low hanging fruit that the real benefit is going to. It's gonna change our thinking. It's going to change the very psyche in which it's emerging out of.
How did Native Americans understand this?
Yeah? Well, the interesting thing is whether it's with Native Americans or ancient Buddhists, Indigenous culture is very MUDs seem to understand that this is a quantum cosmos. And one way, very simply of understanding what that means is that it's not composed of separate things that interact. But you know, this, this universe is whole. It's seamlessly interconnected. It's it's quantum entangled with each other that you know, in a way
it transcends third dimensional space and time. And Indigenous culture is seemed to really understand that in a way that modern culture does not.
Is there a way out for all of us?
Yeah? Well, encoded in the nightmare that's happening, you know, in the darkness. Like I'm trying to say, something is being revealed to us through you know, what's happening in the world, and I'm pointing out that quantum physics, it's freely offering us this revelation that when any one person
takes it in guaranteed it will change their life. But when it's sufficient number of people actually get activated and take online into their minds, what quantum physics is showing us that can change the world, There's no question about that.
Can it backfire on us?
Paul, Well, the thing is it's in you know, the powers that be. You see what their worst nightmare is for people, you know, collectively our species is to understand what quantum physics is showing us. So you know, the powers that be are very much keeping it secret. They're not wanting the normal person to understand the incredible creative
power that we have, you know. And that being said, you know, the powers that be aren't They're not exactly like open hearted, enlightened people with the best of intentions for all of us. So you know, it can be used for evil. But what I'm trying to point out is that it's available. The revelations are available to all of us, and when we take it in, we can channel it in a way that's going to serve the whole, that's going to serve all of us.
Many physicists believe that quantum physics is the greatest discovery in the history of science. Do you agree with that?
Oh, there's not a question. As I began to study it more and more and more over the years, and you know, just went down the rabbit hole so deeply. I mean, you know that there's no question about And the thing which is interesting is that the traditional academically trained corporate physicists is not prepared to recognize the central idea.
And they're actually saying, Yeah, it's like we've never seen an automobile and we've come across one in the forest and we turn on the signal and we turn on the lights, but we don't know what it's really for. That's a perfect analogy for quantum physics. And I'm pointing out, Yeah, what this central idea is. It's showing us that we have, each one of us this enormous creative power and that we're dreaming, we're having a collective dream and to these
that we're unconscious of it. We're dreaming up a nightmare, but encoded in that process is a revelation, and quantum physics is freely offering that to us.
And we all tap into the same dream, then don't we.
Well, then that dream is to step out of the separate itself. That's where quantum physics becomes a spirtual path and we recognize experientially that we are interconnected and interdependent with each other. There's no separation. The energetic expression of that realization is compassion, and then we can change the dream. And that's evolutionary and that's what quantum physics is showing us.
We're going to take calls next hour with Paul Levy about this very strange mind virus called Watiko. His latest book is called The Quantum Revelation. The new version comes out in December of twenty fourteen. Why does it come out then?
Wait? Wait twenty four.
To twenty two, twenty twenty four.
Right right, No, Well, it's just like it's taken a while to really headed up and stuff.
You know, Well, that happens, that happens, Paul, this is an amazing thing. And how did you uncover it yourself?
Yeah? Well, no, it was just like I had this complete spiritual awakening that destroyed my entire family. It almost killed me, and I was lucky I was able to you know, cultivate my awareness.
And did you do it yourself? Though?
Well, I mean it was because of an incredible trauma. You know that I suffered at the hands of a psychopathic father, and it just created such enormous suffering for me that I went inwards. And then I actually had a living encounter with the quantum and it was like having a quantum shift from one moment to the next. I was in a new universe.
Is your father still with you?
No, he passed away twenty some years ago when he was convinced, oh, my only child is mentally ill. And you know, he never was ever able to reflect and see you know that he just whatever played the role of the abuser in my life. You know.
Well, I tip my hat to you the way you pulled out of it.
Yeah, well, thank you.
We're going to take a short And how about mom.
She's still with you? No, she she died a little bit over twenty years ago. So I haven't had a family for over twenty years. But I have a huge you know friends, you know, group and sole family.
Your following is your family.
Yeah yeah, yeah, no, totally. It's the sanga. It's the real spiritual community.
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