UFOs - Best of Coast to Coast AM - 3/1/23

natural and human history. His work has been published in Wild West, Sierra Heritage, Adventure, West Nexus, and New Don and his articles have appeared in every issue of Atlantis Rising for the past two years plus, and he has just signed the agreement to write a column for New Don as well. Will Heart back on Coast to Coast. Well, welcome back, Hey George, how are you. I'm doing great, hope you are too. What's new? Good? Your voice sounds

the same. You realize that our first conversation was twenty years ago? Yep, just when I started. Yeah, that's right, and that's when my first book got published. So we're in tandem on that the Genesis Race, if I remember. That's right, right, And it's amazing the time has flown by, as they say. I mean, it's just I was just realizing it yesterday and I thought, my god, twenty years has gone by. I know that's crazy, isn't And it just seems like a lot has transpired and we're in

a different world. Would you agree, Yeah, we really are, there's no question about that. And you know, I just saw a story today of an ex Navy pilot talking about these UAPs flying all over the place, and he said, whatever they were, I couldn't catch them. They had maneuvers that I've never seen before on aircraft. That's right. What what do you deduced by that one? You know, the

military has known that all along. People on our side of the fence who've been arguing that there's something real in our skies that remains unknown, well they finally came up to the plate and said, okay, we agree, we stand convinced and corrected. It feels kind of good you have been on the other side of because when I started this out back in the late nineteen nineties writing about these things, you were you were a nut case. You know, if you talked about it, right, that's the

way it used to be. That's the way the media treated you. That's right. And now we're in a whole new ball game. And I wonder, you know, people in our age group a little bit older got brainwashed. I mean, let's face it, unless you experienced that, which I'm going to talk a little bit about that tonight because I've never talked about it before, never written about it publicly. My own experience, but I hadn't experienced an observation back in sixty nine, and that gut is what got me interested.

And I know Jacques Vally, you know, the mean, very solid scientific researcher, that's what motivated him, you know, to get into it and to stick with it, because once you have that experience, it's like, I know what I saw right period. I don't care what the government says. I know what my eyes saw and what I experienced. And anybody that's had that, and you know, there's not that all percentage wise, there's not that many people that

have the experience. And it's odd that they seem to have more than one experience over and over again, don't they. It's very strange, isn't it. It's almost like they've been selected. They may have been things like that. It seems like they pick who they who they want to and this could be rearranged, that could be part of you know, our desk in the air karma or whatever you want to call it, and our genetics and the whole history, that certain people are just ready for it and other

people aren't. And I don't see I'll tell you, I really looked at this on all these different levels. You know that I'm not so sure that people who haven't experienced it can ever really have the sense of what it is. It's just an idea to them. Really, if you've experienced it, you know firsthand how strange it really is. And it may be, it may be to collectively the

majority really doesn't want to know. There's only a minority of people that have enough curiosity and enough sense of not being afraid of the mystery of it, the unknown, but wanting to know the truth. That's what motivated me. I don't I don't use the word belief because it's a fact to me, and that's all I go by

his facts and evidence. And I'll tell you though, back in that day, that's exactly the time that Eric van Zankin came out with his books, and I was studying the UFOs because I wanted to know what the heck I had seen. And then I started reading his books and I was thinking about it, and I got down to a very basic practical thing. The pyramids and the other and you know, the mysteries that are around the world, they're not traveling around at ten thousand miles an hour.

They're fixed. They're in a place where I can you know, touch them and see them and study them. So I decided to go into into that, and only in the last book that I write about a hundred pages though on UFOs on what I thought were the most solid classic cases, and they were classic, and they were classic cases too. There were good ones that you selected. They're

very solid cases, just very solid. So I wanted people, you know, to kind of introduce people that, look, there's no as far as I'm concerned, and this is just my point of view. I just blur the line between modern UFOs and ancient UFOs because it's all the same continuum. To me, it didn't all start in the nineteen forties. It goes way back. As far back as we go. People have always been saying these things and scratching their heads, and one, you know, just in awe, what is this?

We still don't know? Will science ever get us the answers that we're looking for? Will well that that's a real question, because all thelong there's been this this idea which I don't quite except that science hasn't been involved. I know that science was involved, not in the big way that it is right now. I mean we're talking about you know, the head astronomer there at Harvard, you know Avi Low, you've had him on or not, but yeah, he's been on the program. Okay, then you're well aware

of what he's doing. And then NASA they've got their own project going on. And we've got scientists already who've made studies, have come out with their results. The problem, part of the problem I see with it. There's lots of people have studied this. How most people really have studied this over the last seventy years. And the thing with sciences, they've got to have hard data, Well, how are they going to get it? All they can do

is go back to previous cases. They're not going to quickly you find out, Well, we can't just go out and get the data because we have to stand there and look in the sky. And these things don't show up on time or when you want them to. They just come whenever they want to and they don't stick around, So you can't take it to the lab. You can't reproduce results. What do you do as a scientist. I mean, I'm puzzled by by that whole aspect of this. And

they want hard evidence. Yeah, they want hard to give me a give me a UFO. Can't take me up in it and show them you know, well, I'm sorry, but you have to listen to the pilots. Have you watched any interviews with them, and you can just you know, I mean, I was in the Naval air and I know what pilots are like. And when when a pilot is just astonished by something, they communicate it. You can tell in the tone of their voice and everything that

these guys experienced something that completely blew their minds. They were hoping they weren't Russian or Chinese exactly, because yeah, we'd be in big trouble yet. But they go so fast. They can, you know, appear and disappear. You know, all the flight characteristics are unbelievable. They defy physics. And so we're talking about something that you have to raise, like Jacques Lillie did years ago, that they're probably interdimensional. They

can come into this. That's why they can disappear, and they can appear and then they can disappear and pilots have seen it, you know, they've they've reported it. So the era of science. The other thing about science I mean we know is it moves very slowly. It's going to take them a long time to gather and it's sort of like going back to square one. Lots of studies have been done, so they're going to collect what new data, go through old cases, which has been done

a lot, and do what exactly. I'm a little confused, to be honest. A lot of people are will because you know, it's just answers. You're close, but they're just not quite there yet. I don't I don't know if we can. We have the problem. Part of the problem

I have is we don't control this. They do. So we may want something right, But if they're the more intelligent than we are, which I am assuming they are from from what I conceive of what they've done on this planet, in this solar system and so on, we're just, you know, I don't know what to call us. Really, we're kind of like transceivers that that did information. But we didn't create any of this. We know it. Somebody did,

and they may not. They may be regulating how far we can go and at what pace we can do it if that makes sense. Well, years ago, will we used to have scorched burn marks they left in fields and things like that's right. We don't have that anymore, you know. And I think of and I know, you just have the folks on the Phoenix lights, those large, super large, huge triangular shape. They're so different to me. That marked to me, it communicated there's a change going on,

you know, a shift. They were very blatantly We're seen, you know, traveling about four hundred miles, very slowly and very low to the ground. They wanted to be seen, but that was all. They just wanted to be seen, like a display flying over the White House and the Capitol Building in fifty two, right, exactly exactly. That was similar. And I've been trying to I've been puzzling, and that was one I wished I would have put in in my last book that I omitted and I decided, you know,

to do. And I'm I'm in Las Vegas so I can get down to Arizona, and I wanted to go and kind of redo the whole thing. Yeah, you know, an investigation and see where we are with this now. And I just noticed that last week one was reported and also photographed over San Antonio, Texas. Look pretty much the same as the Phoenix lights. Large, triangular shaped, yeah, large and obviously, I mean, if it's it's hard to believe when people report that this object just completely blotted

everything out of the sky. It was so big and some people are estimating a mile long, you know, are wide, and that couldn't be kept anywhere. It's it's very hard to conceive of what would they do? Where could it take off? Where could they hide it? You know, it just doesn't make any sense. I mean, the thing gets weirder and weirder, and I found the same thing with a lot of the ancient sites. Things get stranger the deeper you go. You know, it's sort of like the

rabbit hole concept. You start, you go, and you keep going and you realize, wait a minute, it just keeps going and going, and kind of I'm talking about like, I'm sure you're familiar with the long Ue caves in China, Okay, you know, and the thing that struck me the most powerful thing was Okay, the caves are really interesting. Chinese government admits they don't know who created it, They have no history of it. The local people didn't even have

any folk traditions about these caves. But now we know there were twenty four of them. But the first cave they discovered probably estimated five hundred million tons of rock were taken out to create the cave. And the problem is there's no waste rock anywhere. It was never problemed. So when you have something like that, it's like, wait a minute, this doesn't make any sense. Who could evaporate the rock? Where'd it go? And then when you look

at the Pyramids, you asked the same question. We don't have equipment today that can lift those blocks, that's right. So we're talking about technological issues. How advanced would that civilization have to have been whenever they did it, and it was more than five thousand years ago. I'm convinced of that, are you? I'm same same, I'm in your camp. So I can't imagine what the technology was, and I don't think anybody has so far. Why did they build it? Well,

Chris Dunn is onto something I'm not. I don't totally know that he has all the answers. I doubt that he would claim to. He claims it's a power plant, right, that's right, which at the very least his concept and the data he's presented makes people think, makes them look at it not as a passive a tomb, which is ridiculous,

you know, a four million ton tomb. It's just silly and frankly, that's why I can only laugh at the things that historians and archaeologists say, even though I don't find it funny, it's too serious because unless the pharaoh had a great ego, right, even if he had a huge ego, the question to me gets back to where are the tools and how would you do it with? And I know what the tools they claim were used,

and they're ridiculous. You created a precision engineered, you know, forty eight story tall stone pyramid using stone age tools? Are you? I don't think people realize that's what the ancient Egyptians had, or one hundred thousand Egyptians pulling the rocks silly. There's no way, Philly, because you take the most you take the most difficult task, which was to get seventy tons blocks one hundred and fifty feet vertical feet up in the air. That's what you have to do. Well,

how are you going to do that? There's no amount of slaves because I don't care if you built a ramp, there wouldn't be enough slaves that could go up the ramp and turn to pull it to pull it up. They couldn't. They lifted off the ground. And then they talk about the port theory. Do you know how much mud they'd have to make to make that kind of stone? Right? It doesn't solve the problem, right, No, it's illogical, it really is. You know, maybe there I kind of look

at things sometimes it's pretty simplistic. But on one level, there seems to be two types of people. One are the problem solvers. Everything is a problem to be solved. The other people look at the mysteries and realize they really are mysteries. Instead of trying to come up with, you know, artificial, nonsensical solutions to everything we see, they say, you know what, it's a mystery. Listen to more Coast to Coast AM every weeknight at one am Eastern and

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