Now here's a highlight from Coast to Coast AM on iHeartRadio and welcome back to Coast to Coast. Lots of things happening in the year twenty twenty two with UFOs, but what about twenty twenty three? What will it fare? Kevin Randall with US has more than forty five years
experience studying the UFO phenomenon and all various incarnations. His training by the Army and the Air Force provides him with a keen insight into the operations and protocols of the military, their investigations into UFOs, and into a phenomenon that has puzzled people for more than a century. He appears weekly on our program with updates on UFO activity, and his latest book is called Understanding Roswell, which we'll talk about as well. Kevin, welcome back. Yes, it's been
a long time since I talked to you. George. Do you think twenty twenty three is going to be a breakthrough for us in the field of upology. I would like to say yes, I would like to be positive, but given the history of the UFO phenomenon, I think that we're going to just see the same thing as we've seen for the last seventy five years. I call
it twenty two point oh. General Twining was the officer at the Air Material Command in nineteen forty seven when the first sightings were seen here in the United States, and he wanted to establish a priority project with an investigation into what was going on because they really didn't know, and it was supposed to be transparent, but it was a classified project. They said. The name was Project Saucer,
really Project sign and that sort of thing. We moved now into this environment, we're in the same point we were at that time. The government, the military, the Congress seems to be interested in UFOs, and yet we seem to see the same sort of dodges that we saw back then. They promised a lot of things, and then the road sort of shifts and we don't get the information we need. So I think that's where we're going to stay in twenty twenty three. We're not going to
see a lot of progress. Kevin, with the late step and Friedman gone. Now, I really believe this has pushed you way to the forefront of the Roswell case. You were tops anyway, but you're almost standing alone out there. What do you think happened in July of nineteen forty seven.
I'm leaned toward the extraterrestrial. I think when we peel away all the nonsense that has surfaced about it, and there's been a lot, and I've contributed some of it myself, simply because you interview people you think they're telling you the truth, you learn later that they're not really as honest as you would hope to have been. But when we boil it down to the basics, there are just
some things are inexplicable. We have no trust real explanation from what fell at Roswell Air Force explanation of Project Mogul simply doesn't work. And what I do not understand is the skeptical community is supposed to be questioning everything. If you have a good siding, they question the research, they question the methodology, they question the other. When you moved to the other side of the coin, when you
have an explanation, they don't question it. Project Mogul, which is the balloon arrays that was supposedly launched in New Mexico in nineteen forty seven that caused the debris field. When you look at the documentation, it says there was no flight number four. It never flew, it didn't go, so it couldn't have dropped the debris, and yet they
never questioned that they accept that as legitimate. So I look at the case and I say, I have seen no terrestrial explanation that explains all the information that we've gathered about the Roswell case. There's just something missing from that. There may be some kind of classified project we don't know about, but I can't imagine what it would be after fifty years that would harm national security if they
announced it. One of the logical things was the five or ninth bomb group in Roswell, New Mexico, was the
only atomic strike force in the world at the time. Now, according to the information I've been able to find, and this came from Jesse Marcel Junior and in people atomic bomb at that time, that the size and shape, the look of it was classified, and so had they inadvertently dropped a mock up as they were practicing with the atomic bombs because they were huge, that would have been something to cover up in nineteen forty seven, But in
today's environment, who cares if they don't look like that anymore. The information that you would gather by seeing it would be of no use to anybody. And we actually have reports of them dropping actual atomic bombs on places. I think they dropped one in Albuquerque in nineteen fifty seven, and we know about that stuff. So we have no explanation, a trustrial explanation that had been offered that I'd find
reasonable to explain the Roswell case. And that kind of shifts us into the extra trust real are we still waiting for reports from NASA to Congress or did we get everything we were expecting. We're not getting much of anything. I didn't think. Remember, they were supposed to produce a big report in June of what twenty twenty one, June twenty one, it was like nine pages, and we just absolutely useless. And then he said, well, we're going to
update it in ninety days, but they never did. And then we move into twenty twenty two and they're supposed to be doing this, that and the other thing, and we get may we get that briefing at the Pentagon, and like many others, I signed on and watched the whole eighty minutes of the briefing, and they really the two people being interviewed didn't seem to know much about UFOs.
The congressmen and women who were interviewing them seem to know more UFOs than they did, and we're supposed to be getting more information, but it just never seemed to come. I did a book called UFOs in the Deep State, and I tried to explain how you can get an order from the government, the president, for example, and not respond to it. And what you can do is just delay it by saying, you know, there's a lot of pieces to this thing. We've got to pull them all together.
Let's get a comprehensive report to you, and we will get it to you in the xt number of weeks. And somehow it just never gets done. And the next thing, you know, the guy who was asking for that, he's now out of a government and somebody else moves in. So there's always all kinds of ways to dodge the questions and delay the information. And that's what we're seeing today. We're supposed to get this information, but it didn't show up. We're supposed to get this information, but it didn't show up.
We're in that point where there just simply is nothing being forwarded to us. Is it's of any benefit to us? Kevin did you know, the late Apollo astronaut edgar Mitchell. I had met him once or twice. I didn't really know him at a personal level, but yes, I had had an opportunity to meet with him. Sure I knew him, knew him well, and he has told me he under any circumstances over the years before he passed away, that
we were being visited by intelligent extraterrestrials. And he admitted, he said, George, I never saw anything going to the moon or anything like that. That didn't see anything on the moon. But I've been told by people and government that I trust that we are being and have been visited, and I believe the guy. There's no reason to not
believe him that. The thing is, I've worked with top secret material when I was an Air Force officer in an Army officer, I worked with that, and I understand how these things work, and I understand how if you don't have a need to know, you're not supposed to share it with other people and that sort of thing.
But there also comes a point where you're dealing with professionals at the highest levels, and they do tend to share a little bit of information even though they know they're not supposed to do that if you ask a direct question. I think Barry Goldwater was a good example of that. He had some inside information and he asked LeMay, General LeMay to see the blue room that's alleged it Wright Patterson Air Force Space where they've kept this extra
crust and material. And I've actually got a letter from from Goldwater explaining that it was the only time that Lemier every got mad at him and told him not only not only no, but hell no, and never asked me again or I'll have your court martialed. So there is some secret going on there that is at the highest levels classified, and there's very little talk about it
outside the core of the people you know. So I have no doubt that that people that Edgar Mitchell knew would have shared information with him if he asked the questions. Thinking here's a guy we can trust with that information. Kevin, what got you involved in all of this? I always blamed my mother. Blame it on mom, huh. She was a science fiction fan, and she read the science fiction books which deal with alien civilizations and interstellar flight and
all of that sort of thing. In fact, she took me a movie when I was a little kid Earth versus the Flying Saucers, and that kind of sparked my interest, and so it kind of grew out of there. And from that point on I would read the books about UFOs from the people that you you know, I'm sure you know, like like of course Brad Steiger, Sure, who became a very good friend. By the way, you missed
him too, Yeah, absolutely, Frank Edwards books. Frank I think wrote more from memory than he did from notes, so he often oftentimes got things wrong. The report he did on the Roswell case in Flying Saucers Serious Business, it's just like a page half a page. He gets virtually everything wrong other than there was a rancher involved in It was something that fell in Roswell, New Mexico, and the Air Force explained it as some kind of balloon with a device hanging from it. But he got most
of the facts wrong. But the real point is he was talking about Roswell back in nine, nineteen sixty six, and so I mean that all kind of sparked my interest in UFOs, and I of course became a science fiction fan as well. So it's sort of a double lammy there. Kevin Brandall with us. We'll take calls with Kevin next hour about UFOs and ufology. Jump on board, Kevin. It seems like things have changed dramatically over the years.
We used to have a lot of abduction cases. We used to have a lot of reports of landing pod evidence, burned out spots and stuff. We don't get those anymore.
How come you've Carl Flock and I used to talk about that before he passed away, and it was always it seemed like the UFOs had come gathered the information that they wanted, they picked up samples of the flora and the fauna, and then they took it back to their home world so they could studied at link, not unlike what we would do in some environmental studies that we do, and that might explain part of it, But we also had noticed that that tendency that we don't
have the same kind of robust cases that we used to have. Kathleen Martin just announced that she was no longer associating with uphology, but had taken her research in a different direction. I've had some correspondence with her about her moving into other arenas and the other thing that
strikes me about the abduction phenomenon. If it was as widespread as it was reported, it would seem to me that there would be a lot more UFO sightings going on as well, and I think we didn't see that sort of thing, and the logistics kind of get in the way, So it makes you wonder, is there some kind of interdimensional phenomena going on accounts for some of this stuff. Listen to more Coast to Coast AM every weeknight at one am Eastern and go to Coast to Coast am dot com for more