Now here's a highlight. From Coast to Coast am on iHeart Radio, George Nori with you. Doctor Simeon hindback with us former university professor and statistics and research methods. He came across the idea of remote viewing in nineteen eighty six, somewhat skeptical, but as a result of the training surprisingly positive, and it convinced doctor Hind that there is a large
area of scientific knowledge that has been withheld from public discussion. Subsequently, he established the not for profit Institute for Residence and began teaching remote viewing classes in Boulder, Colorado, and continues to teach online. He also became interested in topics of crop circles, unexplained area phenomena, and extraterrestrials. Doctor Simeon Hind backed on Coast to Coast Simeon, welcome back, Hey George, thanks for having me here to late. Have you been
I've been really good. Yeah, thanks for asking perfect. Yeah. You and I I think we talked about two years ago when you were here in Lillisville. Yeah, absolutely loved that area. By the way, isn't it something else? Oh? Yeah, really beautiful. I want to get your reaction. You've been following this story of these objects that we've shot down. People are baffled by these things, I mean, hexagonal octagonal balloon, like, well,
what do you think's going on? Well, you know, these sort of phenomena that defy sort of an obvious explanation have been with us for decades, as our listeners know, and it's just not surprising that we've ignored all, you know, entire range of these phenomena. We've done some remote viewing of these objects over the past couple of days, just
out of curiosity. What John Cover Well, I had one of one viewer who refers to himself some listeners might know, Miss psychic X. He really wanted to do some viewing. This was a blind target, and I gave him that object that was shot down over Lake Huron, and what he came up with is that this is some sort of transmedium object that could also go under water as well as being the air. And he said that they're probably more of them than just the ones that have
been seen so far. It's some sort of data gathering device that has a lot of advanced capabilities. And I have a feeling Simeon that's been going on for years and we probably didn't do anything about it or know about it. What do you think, Yeah, I would say so.
I mean I think Chris Mellen posted an article on his blog yesterday or today where he said that as a result of the TTSA efforts and his work with Louisa Lasando, that the censors have been recalibrated on these aircrafts, you know, the radar systems and so forth, so that they're picking up more of these objects that have always been out there but we haven't really been detecting before.
You wrote a book last year called Dark Matter Monsters, Cryptid's Ball Lightning in the Science of Secret Life Form. Tell us a little bit about that. Yeah, well, George, you know, as you mentioned, I've been teaching remote viewing ever since I learned about it in nineteen ninety six, and just as Ingo Swan has said, it was really quite a shock to find out that it even worked. I mean, I was open minded to the idea. I
didn't realize that everyone had disability, you know, Lettle and myself. Yeah, so realizing that you could describe a targets who hadn't seen yet very accurately draw pictures of them It just seemed to me that it made sense to teach other people how to do this because it opens up your mind to abilities that you don't even know you have.
And in the process of teaching people remote viewing here and Boulder and many other places around the world over the past couple of decades, I came across bigfoot witnesses here and there, and the evidence started to accumulate that there was really something going on that was very important, especially here in Boulder at the foothills of the Rocky Mountains.
These people who came to my classes, local people would tell me during lunch, tell our group, you know, during breaks, about encounters they had had with bigfoot for the most part, and I started to see that there were some similarities between this sort of topic and the topic of cryptids
and crypti zoology. Some of the phenomena around these creatures, these life forms, whatever they may be, that was very similar to other sorts of paranormal phenomena, and I realized there was sort of an underlying set of scientific principles that really may connect them together. We have heard three different theories on bigfoot, Samane. One is that it's a natural creature. Maybe the missing link, two that it's dimensional, and three that it could be extraterrestrial. What do you
think of those? Right? So, my initial understanding of this topic came from Art Belt many years ago when he was talking with Lauren Coleman and other people that knew about this subject. And I was convinced for the longest time that this had to be some sort of relic primate, you know, just some sort of very rare primate that existed mainly in the northwest of the US and other parts of the world. But over the years, I've realized that I don't think that that's actually an accurate description
of what's going on. The behavior of this creature has many elements that are very similar to humans. And talking with a Russian researcher about a year or two ago in Bailey, Colorado, at one of the big Foot conferences, you know, day long conference is held by the Sasquatch outpost. He said that the Russian researchers and Igor has been studying this topic for fifty years. He's probably the oldest researcher to the Bigfoot topic. In Russia. They call it
the al Nasty. He said, they initially thought it was a relic primate, maybe giguant Episthochus from many thousands of years ago that had survived the ice ages and so forth. But after a while they looked at the behavior, the language, the way they walk by petal lye and so forth, swim in all this, and they concluded it might be a relic human, just some sort of very rare relative to us, another type of a neanderstall or something like this.
Then he added something really interesting, George, that caught my attention. He said it had paranormal abilities. That they had concluded it was a paranormal human. When you look at the witness accounts of telepathy, mind speak. Egor gave us accounts that we've heard here in the US of cloaking, invisibility, and many other features that justify ordinary physical reality. When I looked into this, it seemed to me that what
Egor was saying was true. It's a human type being with paranormal abilities that you and I have to actually take classes and to learn how to do, like remote viewing or psychokinesis that they just naturally seem to possess. And these creatures have this ability to disappear at will, don't they absolutely. That's what witnesses that I've talked to describe,
and you can read about it yourself. David Glides as examples of this too, where they just seem to literally disappear in front of your eyes in some cases, to witnesses say they only see like parts of the Bigfoot there, or even more more strangely, they seem to jump around the area almost like a cartoon character, from here to their back again, in ways that completely defy our ordinary description of reality. So they really seem to have maybe
what Ron Moorehead has described as quantum abilities. You know, he talks about this in his books, The Quantum Bigfoot, something on that order, really almost another state of matter. Is it conceivable that the creature, maybe human, belives in a parallel universe. Yeah, I think that's a very reasonable interpretation of what's going on, because they seem to show up, and then in other cases you're looking at them, they can disappear, and they don't just disappear like they're gone.
There's like a flash of light that Stan Gordon described in his book A Silent Invasion. I heard him give lectures about this like twenty years ago, about those cases in the South Western Pennsylvania from the seventies. You'll see this luminous phenomena. And that's another thing that really caught
my attention. The same phenomena that we've seen around crop circles, the orbs balls of light, strange luminous phenomena are also seen around Bigfoot and other cryptids, which is a real indication to me that there's a connection to some underlying scientific phenomena there. You see these glowing orbs around them and strange luminosities that you don't normally see around other sorts of mammals. You certainly don't see this when you go to the zoo, So there's something about them that's
really different. And I think the parallel reality idea is certainly a very real possibility. And where do crop circles fit into this? Are these messages from some other dimension? Well, for me, crop circles fit into it because as you know, and as I've described on Coast to coast over the years, when you and I have talked and I've talked with some of your their hosts, we found a lot of
really strange electromagnetic effects around crop circles. And this happened as soon as I went over there with a guy named Ron Russell who was giving tours, a Denver area artist who was giving tours over there in the nineties.
I went over with him in nineteen ninety seven, and even in that summer, I saw camera and battery failure, even to the point where you'd have the solder connections melt in the power supply on a cam quarter that was put down in a crop circle, and then other really strange effects even as you approached the crop circles. So I could see, even in my own equipment, starting in about nineteen ninety nine, that there were electromagnetic effects
that really were not explainable in any conventional sense. I mean, as a kid, I used to build electronic gifts with my paper root money, so I knew the fundamentals of electronics and radios. But something really strange was going on around crop circles. But the biggest shock to meet George was to hear witnesses describe the same sorts of things happening around Bigfoot cameras, failing batteries, failing time loss, a kind of a blurringness around the creature, and things like that.
I couldn't actually believe that there was a connection between crop circles and Bigfoot and cryptids too, But it seems that there's something going on that's kind of similar between them that makes them create strange effects on our electronic devices. Why sime? And have we not had many crop circle reports lately? I mean in the past that seemed like every other week there was a new one across this planet.
I haven't heard many now. Well, to be honest about it, there were people making them in the UK, right, I'm not saying that that was the source of them originally. If you look at some of these books, like I think it's Colin Wilson's book The Secret History Terry Wilson's The Secret History of Crop Circles, he describes these going
back hundreds of years. But it is true that groups of people made them, and I got to meet these people and I wrote about it in my book Opening Minds, meeting these circle makers, initially thinking they were hoaxers, and then realizing that they understood that once you created these shapes, there was a really special type of energy there that they could see affected their electronics, cameras, are our equipment, and so forth, and they began to make more and
more of these, But I think another way to look at it is these sorts of information and energy can take different forms from decade to decade, and it can switch from the UFO phenomena to crop circles. I have met witnesses who have seen meadows and meadow plants lattened by flying discs, UFOs and so forth. So it's actually a rather complex phenomena. I don't think it has just one source. And I wrote about that in Black Swan Goats. I mean people have seen orbs and balls of light
around crop circles. They've seen UFOs. But the interesting thing, George, even the human circle makers described to me seeing the same phenomena when they were out in the fields. In some cases, when they were about to make these circles, orbs showed up and chased them out of the fields.
I know this happened in nineteen ninety eight in an area called taused Meat Cops by Alton Barnes in Wilchair and other circle makers described seeing small triangular craft come over the circles as they were making them at night,
as almost as if they were inspecting them. So it's quite a complex phenomena, and there certainly was a time when there were more of them, there seemed to be less now, But that doesn't mean that, you know, the whole energy's gone, has probably just transformed itself into other types of phenomena. Are the orbs and ball lightning one and the same, simm Yeah, I think they are, George. I'm just that's the argument I make in dark Matter Monsters.
Is earth lights hestallin lights orbs ball lightning? As other researchers argue too, I'm not the first to argue that people who have looked at this very seriously, and as you know, ball lightning goes back hundreds of years. Many people have researched this, written books. It's all really the same type of matter. We could call it coherent matter. It's a fifth state of matter beyond plasmas and the ordinary states of matter that we're used to. It's a
type of compressed matter. And the real interesting thing is why would you see it around Bigfoot and crop circles and UFOs and even haunted locations. And there's no question there seems to be some intelligence behind these orbs. What don't you think? Yeah, that is the really interesting thing
about it. And George, even ball lightning researchers are really puzzled by this, and it's not something I can completely explain, even the most physical scientific explanation of ball lightning as a type of compressed matter that has formed a type of coherency, kind of like the Bose Einstein condensate that you know, was postulated by Einstein and in nineteen twenty five and then discovered finally and actually here in Boulder in nineteen ninety five. Those states of matter have a
purely physics description. You can describe them that way. But when you look at the behavior of ball lightning, it can actually seem like it's intelligent. It can follow people around, animals, and there is a real fine gray zone between orbs, ball lightning and even UFOs. Even the ball lightning researchers say that they can't distinguish completely between UFOs and orbs. So there's a real continuum here, and it's really interesting how some of it seems to pick up some sort
of intelligence intention very interesting subject. Listen to more Coast to Coast AM every weeknight at one a m Eastern and go to Coast to Coast am dot com for more