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And welcome back to Coast to Coast George Nori with you. David Barretto with us. This is his first time on the program. He is a writer and researcher on spiritual subjects right down our line. He has studied astrophysics through the Australian National University, in religious literacy through Harvard University. The author of Supernatural Science, David lives in London, England. He's in Asia right now working on the documentary and his latest work is called Karma and Reincarnation in the
Animal Kingdom, which we'll talk about tonight as well. David, welcome to the program. Looking forward to chatting with you.
Thank you, George, Thank you for having me. I'm quite glad to be here, to be honest.
Thank how's the weather out your way?
Well, it's good, Actually, it's quite funny. I think that the web's quite christy as well, so it's not as hot as it was a couple of months ago. What's really unbearable.
It's been a strange year for people, hasn't it.
David, Yeah, I think every where really in the world. I think that we're going through some things, and I think it's just you know, hot and for everybody. So I don't know what to say, honestly, because I think that we're just seeing all of these changes happening and we're just not doing anything because we think that you know, it's somebody else's you know, fault.
But yeah, absolutely. Back in twenty nineteen, you wrote an incredible book called The Supernatural Science, among the number of books that you have out. Let's talk a little bit about that, and then we'll get into the karma and reincarnation in the Animal Kingdom you investigated which you investigated witchcraft under this first book, didn't you?
Yes? I did. So I've always been into occultism and witchcraft in terms of research and in terms of really curiosity. So although I've always been extremely fond of and you know, all of these subjects, I was always very skeptical. So I need proof or I need to know how does those things work. So let's say that we are talking about witchcraft sales, right, or incantation or something like that.
I want to know if it's true, fair enough, but I also want to know that if it's true, what is the power behind that what is the energy behind that? If we can understand the energy behind what if that made us? What kind of force is that? Can we explain that through a scientific view of the whole subject.
So then I started, you know, doing obviously my research, but then it wasn't enough because research I was I was sharing was you know, through obviously literature, so I was going through books and also I was going through you know, different groups and temples to try and you know understand, and obviously that was particularly important for me.
But then I was I need to study something scientific as in you know, cosmology and you know astrophysics or something like that to try and bridge the two worlds and then maybe get some information and proper explanation for what I was researching. Obviously, after you know, studying and doing research for my for myself, just for curiosity, I was like, look, I found out somethings and now there's a way to explain things differently, So I want to share that with other people. So then it's when I
started writing The Supernatural Science. So obviously I talked about witchcraft, spells, and you know, we do all of those things that we hear about, but we don't know how the mechanic of the you know, topic goals. But I also talked about ghosts for example, do they exist and if so, what are they made of? Because you know, if we're talking about an operation or you see a specta or anything like that, if that really exists, what if they're made of or why are you able to see it?
And all the people aren't. So I think they're assessing the whole information through esoteric and religious literature, but also trying to see the science behind it. Engridging that both
of them, then we can get a proper explanation. When I mean the science behind these things, or a scientific explanation, I don't necessarily mean going to a land or you know, acsessing you know, information from universities or now we're talking about here, giving a different explanation where people will understand, regardless of their beliefs in the extra physical or in the supernatural. So up bridging this is so important. So that's part that big book. I mean big because the
information that is quite big, I guess. So yeah, So that book obviously the research that you know, as we said, I talk about witchcrafts and ghosts and oracles, how do they work?
You know?
So explaining how they work, and not just describing that mechanesiums, but telling what is the energy, what is it called? And is the energy? And what is energy? Because we talk about energy, frequency, vibration, but you know, it's just a bunch of words that we don't know what they're there for because we just you know. So in the book, I dissect all of these topics and also spirit guides
and angels and you know, so many other things. So that book kind of comprehends all of these subjects that we talked about in a esoteric and spiritch list circle, but on a different view, in a scientific view. So I think that that was very important for, you know, to me, and you know, so I could then investigate other subjects like you know, animals and so farth.
Well, you touched on a lot of subjects in the book The Supernatural Science. Did you in your investigation, David, did you get convinced that the ghost world is real, that it exists.
Yeah, it definitely exists, but you know, it's not how people most people, I guess think it is. First of all, ghosts they are basically not spirits. So when we're talking about ghosts, that's what my investigation and run an investigation. I'm not only talking about you know, my research as in you know, going through books or papers and you know, going to temples, but also my own experience you know, like being, you know, sending and my meditations and you
know everything else in the train. So the first thing that I, you know, I got to understand is that ghosts are not spirits, and they are not souls. They are what we can call a thought form, So they are a product of something. So for example, a spirit may create these holograms, we can call it a hologram, you know, in the astroplane. So a ghost is not on the physical plane, it's on the astroplane. So it's
a product or something they create. Right, if you are here on planet Earth, you are you know, a person, and you see a ghost, then what you're seeing is not a spirit, is a project, is a hologram. And that also tells me that if you are a clairvoyant. So that's why some people see ghosts and some others don't.
Now, when when somebody's father, like David, when somebody's parent dies, let's say a mother or father, and they say, but I saw him standing at the foot of my bed, what is what are they looking at? What are they seeing?
Yeah, so most of them, it depends on how long after their death that occurred. So let's say that you know, they you know, died today and then you know, in three days time they see them standing there, they are actually not seeing the real spirits there. They are seeing their own thought forms, or more regrettably, as spirits another spirit passing as their beloved ones, you know, because what happens is that obviously we are not alone. We can't see it, but we have lots of spirits around us.
And those spirits that are around us, they are not necessarily nice, right, They are attached to earth, and they are sometimes seeking revenge or they're trying to just vamporize your energy, or you know, just you know, they just want to mess with you. So they might, we say, you know, change their appearance momentarily, right, and then if you are a player voyant and you can see the actual plane, then you see that, oh that's my father,
but actually it's not, it's that spirit passing as right. Well, let's say that you know, we're talking about a few years after or even like months, but mostly years after, you know, the passing of you know, a loved one if you see them right. Obviously, it depends on the situation. First of all, you know what you will feel. So if you are feeling anxious, or if there was you were uncomfortable, or you know, if you have doubts, that's
probably not them. But if you were just you know, seeing them as though you were seeing anything else, then
likely it was them. Given that you are a clair volume so spirit, they will only appear to people who can see the assal realm or fragments of the ass realm, because if if you cannot do that, they don't have the power to appear to you, right, because they can't condemn their form, you know so much that you will transpass the plane where they are actual succeuicle, So they don't have the means, they don't have the power, So you would as a media or as a heidcake, you'd
have to have the ability to see right, So that could be the case. However, I would say that most of the time when we see loved ones like that after they died, most of the time it's not them really, because obviously it's not just a matter of them deciding to show up. Because obviously you know, that's the very
first thing they will try to do. They will try to you know, to their family members and you know, show and obviously once they're there they discover that you are a clairvoyant and then be like, oh, absolutely, I'm going to show up. But it's not like that. After they die, they go to most of most people, they go to spiritual colonies where they will go obviously to adapt to the to the spilled spiritual world again and to obviously detach from some worldly energy, any plan another
incarnation maybe. So sometimes they are not allowed as ink I'm talking about vibration. Really, they are not allowed to come back, right so because I mean if they come back, they might just not want to live, you know, to me, they will just stay here, right And then for them to stay here, they'll have to absorb your energy in order to give them suspendance. So they are not allowed.
So that's I'm saying. When you see someone, it's likely that it's really them only if you're serious psychic or medium, and even if you don't know about that, but you're serious about things and they show up and they say something.
If they show up in a dream, probably you had an experience with them in the actual realm, so we can call it, you know, just an actual projection where you were not very lucive, but yeah, probably, but seeing them as in you are away can and you see them unlikely, it happens, but it's not very uncommon.
We're talking with David Barreto is book is called The Supernatural Science. At the half we're going to talk about his other book called Karma and Reincarnation in the Animal Kingdom. His website is his name linked up at coast tocoastdam dot com. Where does the angelic realm fit in with this statement? What do you think of that?
Why? Okay, So we need to understand that you know, evolution right, as in spiritual evolution, and it is happening everywhere in the universe in every plane if you may dimension right. So we have, for example, in this planet have impact and animals and people, but we also have in the universe, right, we have all the beings who are a lost ahead of us, right because they've been experiencing more and they already the Netherlands, and we call them angels. So that's just like a way of calling them.
So that's how we you know, divine things, right, when we are talking about these other planes of reality, we are talking about the actual realm, the mantle realm, right if you may, and the divine realms. Right, this is what we know so far. So for example, if I'm talking here to you, right, we are in the physical universe, right, but we are actual beings, right, So when we die, we are going to go to the actual realm, and then there we are going to find lots of you know,
beings from different hierarchies. Really, however, angels will not be in the actual realm. There will be in the divine realm, hy divine realm, because the actual realm and even the mental realm, which is just another you know, playing another dimension above you know, the actual realm. Why they're not in those realms, it's because they don't need to learn so much as we do. They need to learn. They are still progressing spiritually, but they don't need to go
through experiences in order to progress. So we understand that they are enlightened, you know, but obviously they're still growing, but they are already in life. And we call them angels for some reason. One example of angels, right, and I don't want to undermind this being is genius, right, The genius is, as we know here on Earth, one of the most important beings, right Why because he's not in uh, in the in the stage of learning anymore. It's not in the stage of going through.
Anymore perfection already right.
Absolutely, yeah, giving quite ahead you know in the game if you know what I mean around the galaxy here, right, de solatism. Actually, so when we're talking about angels, we are talking about beings that were created like we were. They were created in a primitive manner. They were primitive, they were small, they were simple, and then throughout the ages they gathered information, they learned, they incarnated in different planes, in different planets, and then you know they involved is
fruitally and that's where they are today. So, for example, when we talk about you know, the most important angels, it's not that they are important, it's that they acquired the merits to be who they are. Right. We call them logos, right, so we call them christ logos. So they are the Christ, you know. And then you have
the ones below them who are still learning. But they are completely benevolent, they are completely autruistic, right, and they are beings that some times will not present any form any shape, right, they are in another realm, and then you have the beings in the mental realm. The mental realm is a spiritual plane where you don't need your antual body anymore because you don't depend on appearance and you don't remember, you don't depend on forms. So everything
occurs through ideas, through spots. So those beings are there. They're quiet ahead in the games as well, right, so they really benevolent, but they are still learning. They don't run through any hardship, any suffering, but they are there. And then you have the ultral realm, which we humans are when we die or when we go to bed, you know, every every day when we go to bed every night, we leave our physical bodies we do attached, but we leave our spiritual virus bodies. And then we're
there in the actual realm. So the actual realm argously, there are different frequencies right there are where the nichious spirits go to momentarily, right, and you know you have the highest frequencies likes call it, you know, in the actual realm where you know, extremely compassionate and kind spirits are right, So that's that's how you know the the the hierarchy goes and arviously, for example, I personally am
you know, none of them. I'm not an angel, So when I die, I believe that I'll be in the actual realm, in the mid tan, not too low, not too high.
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