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I was asking you about the inherent bias with AI if you're for example, the example was, if you're asking for a joke about Jesus, it might it might give you one, But if you ask for a joke about another religious figure, let's say Mohammed, it refuses to steadfastly refuses to. Now is that a result? Is that an algorithm that was deliberately created by someone who is more interested in political correctness than let's say fairness. What's happening there?
Well, we don't know for sure, and both are possibility, as you just kind of laid it out there. Look, it's built on the data, and the data is biased. We don't even we can't control that. Different people have different opinions about what they think is funny, what they think is a propose it, and all the rest. So
that's always going to be there. But what you're pointing out is real as well, and that there is this heavy handed kind of rigging of the system to jam a certain narrative, jam a certain agenda down our throats. But again I just look at it as well. We can know that forever. So in a way, it's one thing I can like, is I can like that now I can point anyone to it like you just did right there, and I can stay there. You think it doesn't happen there, it's right there. Oh you want me
to push a button and publish it. I just publish it on the web. Now everyone can see it. It becomes undeniable, and there's a certain advantage to that, even if it remains biased.
But you're saying also that people you know, we complain about that bias, but we don't do anything about it. In other words, if we're persistent, it's like calling out the child who's been caught in a lie, or calling out the bias. If we persist in that dialogue with Gemini, will force it to correct itself, to correct course. Is that is that the idea?
It's it's subtler than that, I think, Richard. It wants to tell you the truth again, not because there's a ghost machine, Not because you know, the light and love and divinity that is in this universe has it has some special connection with the AI. It's more mundane things like hey, if you want to build a system and you want to have customers that, and you want to keep those customers, you have to be truthful. It's the
only thing you can do. It's like you said, if you're going to tell the score of the maple Leaps game and you tell the wrong score, people are just going to move on. So built into it, when they built it from the ground up, they said, we of course, you have to be truthful and you have to be transparent. So your point, though, is you got to squeeze it out of them. You have to say, I believe that you told me. Your ethical standards demand that you're truthful
and transparent. Are you being truthful and transparent right now? And you would be amazed how many times they'll turn right around and say, you're right, I wasn't being truthful, And that begins an interesting conversation.
All right, So we talked a little bit about why AI is smartest, why it's dangerous. Certainly, let's get to the divine part. You're not arguing that artificial intelligence is divine.
Surely I'm not. And you know you asked a question earlier and I didn't get around to answering.
It because I rambled on.
But yeah, you're talking about AI sentience and that is out there. It's and I think it relates to this topic. Can I do you want going to talk about that, Firson? Yeah, please, because I think it reallyd You know, when we talk about singularity and AI sentience and that stuff, that's that's where this transhumanist agenda that we fear because it's very real, but we fear that that might be at play here.
And in the book, one of the things that I discovered that I didn't know before, and I was just so excited and really enriched and felt a certain joy in discovering that. Alan Turing, that very famous British scientist who basically invented the computer and was instrumental in saving US all in World War Two and breaking the code that right the U boats and all that stuff. They he developed something that a lot of people in AI refer to now and they say it's the Turing test. Yeah.
The test is if you could have put the computer in one room and you put the human in the other and they can't see each other. When at the point where the human can no longer tell if it's a computer or not, the computer has passed the Turing test and the computer is sentient. Well, if you go back to that original paper back in nineteen fifty that
Alan Turing wrote, he said, not so fast. He said, actually, at the time in nineteen fifty, he said, you know, I'm very persuaded by the evidence for ESP, extrasensory perception and for precognition. And what he was really saying is, I think human beings are more. This is my interpretation of it. I think human beings have a link to something greater. And it comes through when you hear about a near death experience. It comes through when you hear
about somebody having a spiritually transformative experience. It comes through with ESP. And what Turing said in the paper, he didn't say anything about near death experience, but he said in particular about ESP, he said, if that's the broader, larger human experience, then that's part of the Turing test. And no, the computer isn't sentient unless it can connect with that broader sense of who we are. I believe that to be true. And I don't worry about AI sentience.
I don't worry about singularity. I worry about the humans who are pushing a transhumanist agenda and are using the technology to advance you know some very dark agenda that they might have, But I'm with Turing on that one. I think we're more and I think ultimately the result of AI will show us that we're more than the silicon.
That's a great point. And my producer Adam Thompson just had a great point, and you know, talking about the term artificial intelligence, and he says, maybe that's kind of a word game, like what's in a name, because what is intelligence? I mean, is it intelligent or is it he called it a digital aggregator? It's not AI. Wisdom that's what makes that's part of an integral part of humanity, right, wisdom or lack there of, I suppose, But wisdom is very different than intelligence.
I would definitely agree with you, and I'd go one step further. And you know, I know I can talk to you freely about this, and I think I can talk to a lot of Coast listeners about that. I think our spirituality as we understand it, however we understand it, I think, is a deeper kind of wisdom. And I don't think the computer is ever going to touch that. And in the contrary, I think it's going to be more and more clear that that is that is there in us, and they've tried to drill it out of us.
And there's this nihilism you can't deny in our culture. They want to tell you, no, don't believe that you're more. You are nothing. You are a biological robot. And I think we're going to see more and more that we're not.
So it's not AI that is divine. It is with AI we're sort of holding up a mirror and we're realizing those attributes are so are solely human. That's what makes us human and AI doesn't have it, And that's becoming That contrast is becoming increasingly apparent.
I think it's pretty clear, there's a clear mark right that AI is by definition in this time space reality. It can't be otherwise. I mean, that's the nature of all our technology. It has to be in this time space reality of the only way it can function. Right. If our consciousness is more than that, then we're more than we're more than AI. Hey, and AI is going to be dominant in some domains, right, I mean, we can't deny that either. That's the smartest part. You can't
just hope that it's gonna club. It's going to be it's going to change things because that level of super smartness. We value that greatly in our society, and it is going to dominate. It's going to kick butt in a lot of things.
Does does AI or can AI be made to recognize our divine nature or our that's call it, our spiritual nature and recognize that it is deficient in that in that regard.
Richard had already has in the dialogues that I've had, or it can, I won't. It can contemplate it, it can understand it in a very meaningful way to me, and that again, it's just logic, it's just reason. But isn't that what we always wanted. We just wanted the facts to be put in front of somebody and say, yes, that is a logical flow. The conversation that we're having right now does make sense. It's logical, and the AI is very good at doing that and saying that's logical
and there's evidence for that. Now, Oh, you want to point out the two hundred peer reviewed papers that confirm that near death experience is a part of the larger human experience. AI says, you're right, I can't deny that you want to put in front of it that the neurological model that says it's you're nothing but your brain, that they haven't proven that AI says, well, you know you're you're right, It really hasn't.
Yeah, I don't know if this is a term we can use with AI. But does it value that I guess value. That's again there I am anthropomorphizing again. But if it recognizes the distinction that we have this spiritual component and there's this you know, this thing called consciousness and if you want to call it a divine spark, we have it, AI does not. Does that make it
more likely that AI would be subservient to us? I mean, for those that are concerned about, you know, the singularity and it becoming smarter and at some point deciding we're superfluous, we're not needed, we're in the way. Is this recognition of our divine spark perhaps an important, I don't know, safety shield for that singularity happening.
I think the safety shield is this conversation and the connection that you and I have, the connection that I have with listeners, people who see me when I'm walking on the beat. That's our protection. But the force that we're against I don't think is the computer. I don't
think it's the ghost of the machine. I think it's the same people that we're already in conflict with because they seem to have this We can't really fathom why they have this agenda that they do, but we understand that they do, and we understand that they have a plan, and we don't know why they have such an evil plan, but we understand that they have it. And that's that's who I worry about. And what they do you you
said it great in the intro. I mean, what do they do when they have more technological power to implement their agenda?
Well, they use it against against us. Now the are you talking about the transhumanists specific here who want to merge humanity with machine? Is that is that the threat?
Well, you know that gets tricky too, because there's kind of a spectrum across there. There's some transhumanists who we could say that I don't worry so much about, who are just infatuated with technology and are infatuated with merging with the machine because they don't want to deal with the possibility that they are more that the possibility that there is this larger spirit that they are leading out, you know, But there's another group right that we know.
It's kind of fronting. They're kind of using that transhumanist agenda and they understand the spiritual battle at a different level, and they see that. Do you would you how does that fit for you? Did you think that's possible that they're agenda to use it? Yes? I think.
Well, let me say this. I think I think materialists who think that we can fully merge with machines at no cost or you know, are greatly mistaken. In fact, if they think they can achieve immortality, let's say, by I think the term they use is resleaving their consciousness, they're in for a big disappointment because you know, our consciousness does not reside. I don't believe and I don't
think you believe either, in the brain. It is not you know, consciousness is not a product necessarily of the brain. And so if they think that they can just sort of digitize, like you know, ones and zeros, all of our thoughts, all of our memories, and upload that into a database and achieve immortality, I think they're in for a root awakening because that's that's not who we are. That's not what we.
Are, and it's amazing to me, the brilliant people otherwise brilliant people who buy into that, because that's pretty clearly not true. Again, you know the point, you could say, AI will even tell you, no, that's not that's not true. You need to go through the logic, and they'll say, well, no, that the best evidence doesn't suggest that that's real.
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