Now here's a highlight from Coast to Coast AM on iHeart Radio, Nick Redfern, I think you read that you started thinking about the possibilities of sex with robots, not for you, but as a topic for the book, in part in response to the movie Blade Runner, where you have the character Press, who is a sex worker, a pleasure worker for a humanoid sort of android, kind of a creature. I guess you could call her a robot. You make a chapter about that and the possibilities work
auld lead sex with robots. It's going to happen, right, Oh yeah, I mean it has gone ahead, you know, in the past, but today's a far more sophisticated. But for me, you know, I like women to be to have skin, you know, not copper or aluminum or something like that, you know. But jokeing aside, I think we
will see a development and I'm far more sophisticated. Dolls if you like, or robots whatever you want to call them, and what are the people who was really fascinated by this was the late Mactonis, who wrote a good book on Mars, and I'll just give you a quote what he said for the book, I can easily foresee companies selling as many themed robots as there are sexual kings, robotic lovers, perhaps complimented by virtual reality, will allow people
to live out whatever fantasies they want, surprising realism even further ahead. I also think that his sexual revolution will blur the lines of sexuality, gay, lesbian, by or whatever may become somewhat outdated. And he also says some sex robots might even be reproductions of celebrities. I guess that would be pretty just to watch, you know, those would be the expensive ones. I guess I think that he
was probably right in writing about this. You know that you think about lonely people, older people, people who aren't who don't think of themselves as very attractive, or who are alone. This would be an outlet for them, or you know, in cells. We read about in cells, these young men who are angry at the world going off on shooting rampages because they can't get girlfriends. Maybe that's a solution a part of that. Yeah, I guess the only thing that's missing, so to speak, is the fact
that you know, we don't have full artificial intelligence. Yes, you know it's spoken about a lot, but you know, when we're talking about robots having souls, that kind of thing. You know, we're not at that point. You know. There's a lot being said and over said really about artificial intelligence, and we are going that way, but we haven't really got it. So that is going to be the one
big difference when it comes to sex with robots. The robots themselves, still in our time frame are basically still coldhearted, metallic robots. Not to be too graphic about it, but I know there are men who rely on blow up dolls, so I guess they probably wouldn't mind about how intelligent they're.
The robot partner was, you know, well, I guess whatever gets you whatever you like, you know, I guess I was thinking about the virtual reality aspects that that is a technology too that could be driven by sexual interests. You know, there's some virtual reality projections about how it can be used in sexual contexts as well. Oh yeah, I mean that that's going to go run and run, you know, I mean just sort of living in that
kind of world. I can see easily a lot of people would love to do that, you know, almost like you know, sort of like a matrix world, you know, go into this world. I want to be a king you know, I want to be a soccer player, that kind of thing. I could easily see that expanding to the points where people are happy to live in that world rather than in the real world. Sure, I mean I can remember people when the Avatar movie came out, they wanted to live in in that planet and never
come back, you know. And yeah, you're write about not only robots becoming sex workers, but also soldiers, and this seems like this also seems like something inevitable that we would send in robots and machines. We already have machines like that. We have drones that are basically autonomous that we send into war zones. It's happening right now in Ukraine where they become an essential part of the war effort on both sides. Yeah, a lot of this work's
being done by DARPA. They've been doing some really fascinating and highly advanced technology for soldiers on the battlefield, you know, who may have lost like half a limb or an arm, you know, a leg, that kind of thing. You know, there was a time when it was you know, a terrible situation for people, you know, but now, I mean looking at things now, you know, the when it's limbs, you know, legs, arms, that kind of thing, even eyeballs.
You know, we're now looking at a situation now where to some degree, if you've had that sort of situation on the battlefield and you know you've got a lot of casualties, that kind of thing, we could see soldiers in the future who have significant partners of their bodies would be robotic. And to some degree, that's almost like something along the lines of like a RoboCop. You know, a case of Sci Fi turning into sci fact. Six million dollar Man as an example exactly. That's right, Yeah,
and you know some of that is already happening. There are amazing advances as you document in this book, and for soldiers who've been injured, who've lost a leg or a limb, you know, an arm, that they're getting replacements that work. But they could also be autonomous robots that you send into combat instead of humans. Right, Well, that's right, and there's a lot of you know, a lot of things to think about. You know, when we're talking about
going into battle, you know what's happening. You know, it's a will you know, hundred years from now, will our soldiers be fifty fifty robots human you know, for the people of that for the of another century. To them, it'll be it'll be simple, it'll be just the normal thing. But for us now, it might be oh well, you know, well you as you document. I mean, police agencies, I've seen it. I've seen it in an action. Police agencies
already use robots. There say, for example, go into a dangerous situation, there might be a sniper or or a bomb to check out a bomb, an explosive to I send in the robot instead of sending in a human
who could get killed. Yeah, yeah, And I mean like for example, I mean like people who've lost a hand, shall we say, you know they can sort We've got incredible technology, you know where you can basically you know, you focus yourself, and you know you've got fingers that can move a thumb, move the wrist, and and if you look at it now, you know, and think about things in say, fifty years from now, for our generations, you know, we really could be looking at things in
the future that would make our make our sort of our mouths drop. And then if you start building autonomous robots who can do police work, who can fight as soldiers, That's when my paranoia sets in, is that how do you make sure that something that has artificial intelligence, that has incredible capacities for violence, stays under human control Because I don't see how you can absolutely build that in and guarantee that it does not become self aware and
then exceed whatever limits we try to put on it. Yeah, that that all issue of being self aware, you know, I have to say that to some degree, or well to a large degree. You know, it is a case that you know, we're not running around with robots that cry and have sort of you know, they have feelings and things like that. We could get like that. But I mean even with like Sophia, Sophia is not art is not artificial intelligence. Um, it's just programmed. It's just programmed.
So but but those type of robots are extremely you know, put together. So you know, that's why I mean, like Sophia, you know, can have like sixty um facial looks if you like um, and and he looks and it gives us the the angle if you like that. This is artificial intelligence. But for the most part, you know, we've never had something, you know, where a robot watching TV and it starts to make a funny noise, like the equivalent of a cry that's not happened. You know, what
do you make of so this? You know, it's been a year or so ago. This guy from Google, this Google programmer, software guy who has said he claims that in his development of their artificial intelligence, that it is it is in fact self aware, that it became self aware, that he'd had conversations with it, and when he talked
about it and and he got fired. What's your take? Yeah, yeah, I mean there are a number of stories like that where weird things have happened, you know, and and people who've got some of these robots and they come out with just like a weird sentence, you know, you know, just out of nowhere, you know. And so yeah, I think that we could one day suddenly say the day when you know, a robot says something, well, I don't
like that, I don't like what you're talking about. That kind of thing, you know, that would sort of put put everybody silent, know, um, and we and we would have then have just turned the table, so to speak, you know. And and if and when we do have one um artificial intelligence, the world then really will change, you know, and whether it will be for good, for bad or somewhere in between. UM, I don't really know, but I think a lot of people would would embrace
that artificial intelligence. I think a lot of other people, UM would worry about, well, are we going to go to war? You know with these robots do that? Are they going to see them looking as as them being you know, far more in advance of us, and that could happen, you know, So I think when it comes, we've got to be really careful. Are you have you been following this chat GPT thing? Have you tried to
access any of that and have a conversation. There have been a number of journalists who have gone ahead and done it, and I will yeah, I haven't done that either, and I you know, I'm a luddite practically, but some of the conversations that I've read about where the shocking things that come out of the mouths of these this intelligence.
I don't know if they're just yanking their chain these journalists or the journalists are exaggerating it, but it sure sounds like a couple of these exchanges, the AI claims it wants to be human, it wants to be alive. MM. Yeah, I mean, as I said, you know, there's a lot of weird stuff like that, and you know, and it becomes kind of, um, like I said at the at
the beginning, kind of creepy. But then again, you know, I mean, I think for people who you know, who's sort of going to be born, shall we say, next week, and when they grow up they become adult adults, it won't be anything odd to them. You know. It's kind of like with the Internet. You know, kids are really good with the Internet because they were born into it, and you could argue, but if you're an adult when it started to come, you had to learn it, you know.
And and I think that's how it'll be. It won't be a big deal, you know for people who who brought into those years and decades. Other was pretty interesting angle you took on the men in black, the legend of the men in Black that you you and I have talked about before. Yeah, and you speculate, hey, were they robots? You know? There are the ones that are probably government ages or some sort, and then there's the other ones that are just unearthly weird and act like
they might be an artificial intelligence of some sort. Tell me how that fits under the category of what you're talking. Yeah, well, when we talk about the men in black, most people think of Will Smith and Tommy Lee Jones, because you know from the movies, you know, that's really what sort of mad people sit up and say, well, who are the men in black? And everybody knew who they were.
But the reality is, if if you speak to the witnesses, to the real men in black who've been threatened that kind of thing, most people have said, they don't look completely normal. They wear the black suits, they still even wear the old fedora hats, still than like the nineteen fifties hats, but their skin kind of looks like classic. Listen to more Coast to Coast AM every weeknight at one am Eastern, and go to Coast to Coast am dot com for more