President Carter and UFO's - Best of Coast to Coast AM - 5/28/23

as Charlie Redstar. Those sightings occurred in Manitoba. In the past few years, he's turned his research interest to the involvement and actions of the president on the UFO problem. He's made twenty plus trips to the National Archives to dig up information and documents. His latest book, or should I say books plural, Jimmy Carter Paranormal and UFO Tales, just out now. Grant, so glad to have you back on the program. It's been a while, George, thank you.

they could. So we'll dive into the question of briefings in a bit, but let's start with you when you started to focus on presidents and why.

camera and people yelling and screaming. It was like a pandemonium. And I remember this flying away. I thought, ah could be extra trestraw. I thought like, wow, it's like being in the Bible here, and it's like some miracle you just saw. And then I'm thinking, like, what's it doing? Like why is it in Carmen, Manitoba. There's nothing there? And I'm thinking then, So for years it sort of bothered me. And I got all the sightings together of this town and half the people in town, over half

the people in town had seen this thing. Nobody wanted to talk about it, but I eventually would track down people and they would tell me what they'd seen. So I put it together in the manuscript, and the local publisher, who should have published it because this was a big story, said mister Cameron, you may believe in this kind of stuff, count me among the unbelievers. And I was shocked. I just couldn't believe that that, you know, they wouldn't run

with this big story. I thought, this is the biggest story in the world. That would you know, make million dollars from this and all this stuff? And it went nowhere. And so it was that question, like what are you doing in Carmen, Manitoba. And then it was like, Okay, I'm just a small guy in Canada and I saw this thing, and all I want to know is what was that thing I saw? I know, for a fact it was. It was like just out of this world.

But the thing was somebody's got to know. So then I started this proceed So there was a synchronicity event. My father was a pilot for the Canaane government and somebody in his office wanted to talk to me at a UFO siting was a radar tech and he said, you know, if you really want to know what's going on with the UFOs, you should see what the Canadan

government was doing back in the nineteen fifties. And I said really, He said yeah, I worked for the program And I go, you work for the programmer like that? I'man fifteen hundred miles away from the capitol and I go, you worked for the program and said yeah. And he started telling me the story of Wilbert Brockhouse Smith, who ran the Canadian government UFO program, and he said he was the most brilliant engineer of hi met but he's

totally crazy. He was talking to aliens and they were landing in the backyard and I go, what are you talking about it? And that's the pursuit started. So I went after the Canadian government. What did the Canadian government know? And there was a lot of very interesting stuff. I picked and I wrote a book on the Canadan government thing.

But we ended up trying to figure out where the Canadians got the information, because there's the famous top secret memo, which is one of the only top secret memos ever written about UFOs, where Wilbert Smith says, I to the Americans and I wanted to see if there was some smoke. There was a fire. There was smoke, and I was told by American officials number one flying saucers exist. It's

the most highly classized subject in the United States. There's a small group headed back doctor van var Bush, and it's a tremendous significance to the Americans. And then this famous line that I've used in the last couple of years. We're also told by American officials that other things might be associated with the flying sauces, such as mental phenomenon. So the pursuit was then I'd gotten mostly what Wilbur had,

I'd recovered his files. I talked to his wife. She told me all these stories and his son and where the files were and all that sort of stuff. And then I'm thinking, well, who told Wilbur this thing about the flying saucers. Exist. It's the most highly classified subject. And that turned out to be a guy by the name of doctor Robert Starbacher. And this is in the Canade.

There's some documents where the Canadians are talking in the Canadian Embassy in Washington and they this Robert Starbacher comes into the Canayan embassy and interview. Who's Wilbert Smith and that's he's the guy gave most of that material and so we went after him. And then he said, well, I really wasn't involved. I was busy. I was working on the radar for the Russians and you know, in ther in Canada to pick up Russian missiles and stuff

like that. The guy you should talk to her He was a guy in Pennsylvania and that turned out to be doctor Eric Walker, who was former president of penn State University, chairman of the board of the Institute for

Defense Analysis military think tank. And I was with a bunch of researchers and I was sort of instructing them, and they were giving them names and his number and stuff, and people are trying to get this guy to talk and he was basically talking, and he was basically talking in rhymes and riddles about you know, it's been forty years. We haven't blow from the world. Leave it alone and you know, go do something else, and he had. I was trying to find his files, so I went to

Penn State. I looked at all his files and there was nothing there, and he had he had died in I think ninety four. And I found out that his files when he was a Pentagon and he was the assistant to the head of weapon research for the Pentagon, and there was this one year period that he was there, and he talked that he was going to give the stuff to the Truman Library. So I went to the

Truman Library, not even thinking about presidents or anything. I just wanted to get Walker's files and hope that this material because he basically said he was confronted. We understand from doctor Starbucker that you attended a set of briefings at right Patterson Air Force Base in nineteen fifty and he said, yeah, I was there, So what And I went and the guy that was interviewing, SOI, what do you mean? So right, it was the most important subject.

And this is how this discussion started. That he confirmed that he had been at these briefings. So we thought that the briefing material might be in these records that he left with the Truman Library. So I went to the Truman Library in Independence, Missouri, and I asked for them, and there was a couple of files on Walker and there was really nothing important or whatever. And then I thought, hey, well, you know, the president is the most important guy in

the world. He's a powerful guy. He's got to know what's going on. And that's my my question, Like, somebody's got to know what's going on here. So that's when I asked the Truman Library. I said, well, what you got on UFOs And they said, well, they talked about the overflight nineteen fifty two where the shootdown order was given, and there's a week between the first sightings and second sightings, and all these telegrams started to come in to the

White House and they had all these telegrams. So I was looking through all these telegrams and people were saying, please, mister President, don't shoot them down, leave them alone, all this sort of stuff. And then I said, well what else they got, and they go, well, that's it, that's all we got to call it. That's all you got. I mean, this is the most you figured it's the most important subject, like why would the president not have anything?

So then I figured, well, the Eisenhoewer Library is just down the road. It's maybe two hours down the road in Kansas. I'll go to the Eisenhower Library and I'll find out what they're doing. And they had five documents and one was the famous Top Secret or the CIA Robertson Panel report, which had been doone on a Truman but it appeared in the it was right at the end of administration, sort of end up in the Eisenhour Library.

So that's when I said to the archives, because there you have to you know, everyone's got a suit on and it's all very formal, and they you got to do a review and be interviewed before you can research there. And I said, you know, you've got five documents and one was a telegram from one of the contactes and stuff. And then I said, how many pages as he documents you got and he said twenty eight million pages. Anyway, you got five on UFO. And that's when I've got

something's wrong here like is. And then I determined to go to all of the presidents and find out what the presidents had known and basically it would be a very you know, slow day because you take four days to go to the Eisnar Library, And within about two and a half hours I was finished all the UFO documents. And then for the rest of the week, I was just sitting there reading oral histories from different people and and you know, trying to find something to interest myself

because there's really no documents. And that's when sort of puzzled me, like why are there no documents in the the the libraries. And I guess it all comes summed up by there's an oral history interview that was done

by General Landry, who was Air advisor to Truman. It was in the Truman Library, and he talks about the briefing that when he came in in nineteen forty eight, he had been told by Truman, I want you to brief me on UFO was every three months, I want you to go to the CIA, get all the material and brief me. So we figured there was about fifteen or sixteen briefings that was given to the president, but they were all done orally, so in nineteen forty eight

they already knew don't put it on paper. It was all done early and That's what I believe is if this subject is handled by the president, is not handled on paper, and it's I guess what Bill Clinton would call this is story. Whitley Strieber tells that he said he talked to Rockefeller, Lawrence Rockefeller, who had gone to the Clintons, and he got the Clintons at his ranch in Wyoming, and Bill didn't come down for the briefing,

and so just Hillary was there. And so then they're going for a walk and that's when Bill Clinton says to Rockefeller, said, the UFO issue, it's, you know, the story of the Arkansas atar baby and Rockefellers. So yeah, he said, this is the Arkansas tar baby. You don't touch it. He said, you touch it, you're going to get stuck to it. And this is the story about the Arkansas tar baby where the catch bar rabbit. He sees this tar baby and the tar baby doesn't talk back.

It's sitting on the side of the road, set up by the fox. And he gets mad and he punches the tar baby and he gets stuck with his hand, and then he puts the other hand and gets stuck, and then his feeter gets stuck. And that's what Clinton says, this is the subject the president cannot touch. This is a tar baby story, and you don't touch it. So I think that's what it is. So when I went after the Carter material, I basically my end conclusion was that he had made this promise to the National Choir.

There was a scrum of reporters in nineteen seventy six when he was running and he was asked by the National Choir, you know you saw UFO, and would you release the UFO files. And that's when he made this famous claim that if I get in, I will release all the UFO files to the people, except for unless it has to do with military secrecy. And that was the big catch. So he made this promise, and then

when he got in, he didn't say anything. He never used the word UFO, the same as Gerald Ford before he was running for when he was running for president, he was saying, or when he was a congressman, he said, not only do I want this thing opened up, I want to get the military people put the mind our oath and forced them to testify to tell us what's

going on. And when he got the White House, he never used the word UFO either, Like Jimmy Carter used it before and after president, but he never used the word when he was in there. And what I came to conclusion was he made this promise and he did a bunch of stuff, but it was all done without his fingerprints. So he had other people doing things for him. He had, for example, Jody Powell. Jody Powell was the guy that forced the documents out of the FBI. He

said the FBI was under big pressure. And then you know, McCabe wrote the book. I think it was fifteen hundred pages released under Jimmy Carter, and he had the CIA. There was a story that ciad fourteen thousand pages. There was an FOIA. It was big at the time. Fois Jimmy Carter talked about open government and the Sunshine Law and all this kind of stuff and getting openness, and

there was there was a strumored story. There was a girl that was working on behalf of the White House, a lawyer at the CIA, and they were hiding the documents and there was supposed to fourteen thousand and that turn was only one thousand, and she was crying because they were they were playing these games and she got so frustrated with what was going on.