Nanotech and Evolution - Best of Coast to Coast AM - 3/12/23

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just enjoy it because we have a good time. Please go to Connie Willis dot com and thank you. Now. A lot of times when we take callers, there's some callers that you know that I guess me as a broadcaster I listened to I'm like, hey man, this this person is pretty cool, and you guys know that live on the air, I'll say, all right, leave your information with Donna or call screener, leave information right, and then

she'll get it back to me. And that's when I'm like, hmmm, I think you should be you should have your own show with me sometimes. So this is one of the guys that's on next that I did that with, and you know, lo and behold, he's been on with you know, our Bell, He's been on with yours Nori, you know a ton of bazillion times. He's been all over the place, and it's great to know that he's listening to the show and loves to listen to the show and and

we'll call in. It's just that's always a neat thing that it's mutual. That mutual. Now, one of the things I like is he's highly intelligent. He knows what he's talking about, or at least he leads me to believe it. He's really good at that. But I can say, well, what's that you know, and he'll he'll do He's kind's he understands it might go over your head, so he's not going to laugh at you. He'll explain it to you.

And that is very important because there's a lot of people, and you guys have heard him before where they will just talk right over your head and you have no clue what they just said, and you're like five paragraphs back and they're so far ahead of you you know

you've already lost it. So as he talks, if there's anything where I need to stop him, and it's just because of me, maybe you're past that, but there's a lot more people, probably like me, that are going to go what and they are very thankful that I might stop him and ask. That way we can stay in line with them. So we'll do our best to follow him. But he also knows, Hey, you got to dummy it down for at least me for sure. And so this is Charles Ostman. You've heard him on here before. No

doubt he's experienced, his experience and clues. I'm going to give you a little bit here, and then I'll let him do a lot of it too, because I'm sure he will. He can name some things that I'll never have mentioned. But his experience includes forty five plus years in the fields of electronics, material science, computing, artificial intelligence, starting with eight years at Lawrence Berkeley Laboratory at the University of California, Berkeley, Cool and at Los Alamos National Laboratory.

Cool Cool, Cool, Cool Cool. He's been a senior fellow at the Institute for Global Futures, a consulting grew that provides strategic research services to private and government clientele. I love this. Co founder of nanosig and organization with the primary charter of facilitating investment in nanotechnology related ventures. And in fact, basically tonight we're going to be talking about nanotechnology as a core catalyst of accelerating next stage evolution.

What is it and what is it not yet? Now wait a minute, Now you might go oh this sounds so boring, man, you know, sorry, Connie going to sleep. No no, no, no no, no, no, no no, no, no, We're gonna not at all. In fact, I love saying nano nano earlier, by the way, I thought that was kind of cool. But really the biggest thing is and we're gonna bring on Charles right now. Welcome once again, Charles. And the question what we're gonna ask first is why

is nanotechnology relevant to us? That is probably the bigger question. So Charles, yeay, you're here, Thanks so much. Well in Hi Kanye, I've always listened to for a long time, and here we are. This is amazing. I'm actually quite astonished, I know, and we've made it. I'm very happy about it. And what's cool is you have put together some graphics so that people can follow on the website. Yeah, that's

the basic idea. And I wanted to make the point that it's not now technology as a singular sort of vertical storm of pipe topic development or technology. It's really at the center, almost like an actual of a wheel with all these different spokes kind of rating out of it. And it's a core fundamental technology which actually allows many other technologies to be more plausible or possible, I should say,

in the near future, even the present term. So if I had to describe what nanotech actually is, the symbolist sort of Akin's razor approach would be this the manipulation of matter at the molecular or even atomic scale of pursuit. So to me, it was always it's just really really itty bitty, itty bitty tiny. Yeah, but is not that relevant unless you can do something with it. It's very predictable or specific to a cause. She said, I'm sorry,

I should not say that's funny. I best go. And by the way, I've really impressed with your previous guest. I mean yes, I mean I should never lived to ninety seven and'll be that functional. I don't know. I feel robot half the time, so I don't know. She is amazing and she's like that all the time. She's such a hoot. And you know, I was concerned of you know, you're gonna be on lay? Is that cool? And she said, you know, when Jack was alive, I would get up early because he was the early bird.

But now that he's not here with us anymore, I am back to my old self of being a night owl. So she said, I'm good. I'm good to go. So that was great, and thanks for being on standby just in case. Absolutely. Well, you know, it's interesting my best hours at like three to four o'clock in the morning. I don't know why, it just turns out that way and time. I really do wish that this day light

losing time. Alcohol it right, I'll get resolved. I almost got thrown off because I didn't know exactly what time it was and I was doing all my stuff here and I've realized, I wait a second, I'm an hour off. Now I want to make sure I didn't like miss the show or something. So anyway, here we are. We thank you for being responsible for that too. So so yeah, so okay, nanotechnology were again? Why why why should I care about it? What's the big deal with it with me?

Because whether or not you're looking at computing, medicine, any form of telecommunications, any kind of manufacturing, just about all the stuff that you've seen or daily life, and you, yourself as a person, as a living thing, aren't going to be or already are in some ways affected by nanotechnology. You may not see it, I mean as hard as you now skills anyway, but I mean the artifacts or the consequences of nanotechnology is already present in a lot

of different materials and audito existing products. It may not be like you wake up one morning somebody discovered nanotech everywhere. It's more of a transition. But we're in that transition now, well, I mean aren't we, because like these phones get smaller or actually whether well sometimes you want them a little bigger, but I like them smaller. But more and more and more and more and more and more and more things fit in them, and function comes from it. It's not

a nactor of science, unle a matter of complexity. In fact, there's something called more in law, which talks about technologies doubles every you know, so many months and so on. Well, that's kind of an outdated way of looking at it. They be used to measure by the number of transistors you could fit into a specific area. But I'll sort of go against that, and I would say it's more to do with the amount of complexity you can sit

into a a certain amount of time space. That's probably a better way of looking at it, especially now if you look at quantum computing, which is on such a radical different scale of computational resource that is trying to measure the size that transistors completely irrelevant acshally in that context. But even before we get to quantum computing, just to get to other types of computing, of which there is

both biological and sort of inorganic mediums you can work with. Again, it's not how small is a thing, but rather how much functionality can you pack into a specific region of space time. So looking at some of the bullet points you and I put together, or you put together for me, so that I can go through this, because this is a whole another world for me. This is out of your brain. So what about these smart materials and all

the self organizing and self assembling all that kind of thing. Sure, so I'll start by saying this, we're surrounded by self organizing, a self assembling downtech everywhere. Almost living things are just that. If you look into a cell, if you look into the nucleus of a cell, the organelles, the ribosomes, other protosomes, etc. That's what they do. They literally take a part and reassemble various molecules to accommodate the physiological requirements of that

particular cell. And more importantly, how that's organs. There were functions with an a larger body. Now it's kind of fascinating is in the current scheme of things in terms of biolot what I might call nanobiology, one of the main target goals right now is to use what I'll call quasi viral components to target offending cells by cancer cells and be able to nutilize them, or to target other try of cells and affect their physiology in some

kind of hopefully proactive way. Viruses are really good at this, and you may be scared flay a minute free or people panic, there's actually a good side of this because if you sort of break apart a virus, what really does It has a proteomic sennature kind of like a hand to above all cells are just most of it's to say, have an outer sheath of proteins that stick out like fingers almost. It's the RNA sennature of that particular type of cell, and viruses will target whatever cell

that third external RNA features won't cling to. That's why it has different viruses for specific organisms, even for specific organs. That kind of thing. So in a virus encounters the right kind of cell, that's supposed to mate for it will then for enxonic action, kind of nibulous way to

the cell ball goes to the cytoplasm. And then and then they'll target one of the riber zones are one of the other proteosomes and force that protozome to make more virus as opposed to making more of the molecular structure stuff normally going to keeping that cell functioning. Now, that second part we don't like, but the first part

is wonderful because that excuse me. Now we have a way of targeting whatever kind of cell we're looking for, cancer cells and doing something with it, hopefully killing it or turning it into a type of cell. They'll then go after other cancer cells that sort of thing. And that's already being done. Oh like a double spy man, turn them around, make them go the other way, use them. Well, fantastic voyage. Yes, quite bad. It's sort of like that

in the way. We're not shrinking people now and putting them to the submarine, but we are taking already existing submarine of sorts of vir entity and using it for our purposes. Is that Okay? Now, I've seen videos or films or something where they would create like it's almost like a let's just say an eighty by eighty bitty little like submarine is drone. Yeah, and then you could take it and go move it around and then kill what you wanted to kill. Is that is that happening?

That's another we look a different way of looking at it would be an artificial immune system. Excuse thing. I'm so sorry for my voice. By the way, I've got this horrible poll going on, so I promise I won't die or anything, but if I sell, by the way, before I forget, Um, I really want to thank Ryan a lot. He didn't. He did an amazing job getting all my stuff posted up there at the eleventh arm forty nine minute. Um, he was freely patient let me

repost all my stuff and he was great. So for anybody been checking it out, you want to thank ryanc. He did a marvelous job. Just you want to make that point. Yeah, go to Coast to Coast am dot com and then look for I think it says I'm I'm already on the page, so I think it says like related feature. So this down below the carousel and you'll see the pictures that I'm looking at myself just go on, I still don't get it. Yeah, but well but that's like, that's why Charles is, you know, gonna

explain it? Are you called chuck as well? I kept on, Chuck, no chart, okay, okay, So anyway, so I'm sorry, seeing of biological things in the nano world, this may be sort of relevant, and it may be part of how we go into discussion later. But there is a quite an interest by the FDA to figure out how they're going to classify this genre of development from a medical perspector.

And the reasoning is because in earlier times, there are two major categories of regulatory protocols wonder, which covered chemistry, that being drugs, the other which covered machines, mostly machines that are outside the body. You know, we're revoked up to various devices and scanners and that kind of thing, and more recently going to implant that sort of thing.

But all these regulatory protocols were wrapped around machines. Now, in the world of nanotex, it's not exactly a chemical, but it's not affecting a machine either, not in a traditional sense. So what do you kind of write it as So in two thousand and six, I was fetched upon by the FDA wapp to the Press of Maryland along with other folks that came by. Weeks later. I gave a nine even a presentation. I mean, if you think these slides are a bit elaboration in one hundred

plus lights, I had for that. But after giving this presentation and went to all these different details about denvermers and different kinds of organic molecules and you know, different using plugy or open fundations and materfact delivery system all that kind of stuff. Are you like roaming around the house? Are you on your lag? Are you like crawling around like a marine? Or what's going on over there? Man, I'm sitting here in a shaer Oh it sound like

you're going in and out of something. Oh no, I'm so sorry. Now you sound good, You sound good? Okay, well, I'm so sorry. I think I think probable breathing for them to be part of it. No breathing during the show, thank you very much. It up or no, no dying alone. Yeah, trying to have a show here, Okay, Yeah, the show

go ahead and crop off. Okay, So anyway, getting back to the more realistic role, perhaps after ninety minutes or so of this presentation, a few of the folks, we're asking all these questions like, well, how do we regulate this? What do you suggest for regulatory protocol? How are we going to enforce any kind of new legal definitions for what these nanobiological systems should be? And I said, you know, frankly,

it's not going to matter. The United States is no longer in a position to inflict its regulatory will upon the rest of the role as it might once have been. Very likely China is going to go ahead and do whatever they want to do, as I'm sure many other nations will as well. So rather than worry about regulatory protocols and the limitations thereof, look more towards sort of adapting to emotion, more global kind of way of assessing

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