Now here's a highlight from Coast to Coast AM on iHeartRadio and welcome back to Coast to Coast. George Norri with you. Mark Carpenter with US anthropologist explorer Arthur. A couple of his books are on his website mark acarpenter dot com. He has worked on Mayan archeological excavations on the Yucatan Peninsula. He has analyzed prehistoric Mexico. He spent years living alongside various Native American tribes and Polynesians and
North America and Hawaii studying their ancient traditions. And his expertise is of human origin paradigms, and he is considered a rogue cultural scholar, accusing the scientific establishment of conspiracy to distort human history. Mark, we're going to talk about that, but welcome to the program. Well, thank you so much for having me. I really appreciate it looking forward to this. How did you get involved in anthropology and archaeology. Well,
it went back to my childhood. Like a lot of eighties kids, I thought Indiana Jones was a very cool character. And my father and his family had some rural land out in Ohio, the Ohio River Valley, and there were burial mounds out there. Not on our land per se, but you know, when we used to drive through, I was fascinated by these burial mounds. And my father didn't really have a satisfactory explanation. So that's kind of where it all began. Fascinated ever since, haven't you. Yeah, I
was hooked. I had to know. I had to know. Let's talk about the Smithsonian. Tell us about that. Is it kind of like a depository of all the old relics or what is that place? Yeah, that's a good question. It masquerades as this beacon of education. That's what we've always been taught that it is. And that's that's easy to believe because that's what we wanted. We wanted to be that, and it should be. Um, you know, a society like ours should have that. Um. But that's not
the reality. The reality is institutions like the Smithsonian, particularly the Smithsonian, we're founded, um, you know, buy elites, the secret society, frat boy types, and they were building a nation. They were building a nation, and um, what it really became, or what it really is, is a beacon of their version of human history that they want us to learn
and and right and think about it. They collect the they collect the artifacts and the remains, and the and the arts, and the culture, and and and the relics and everything. And they may draw their own conclusions behind closed doors, But as far as they're concerned, it's it's a it's a mechanism by which the few control the many. Um. They like this divide of information and knowledge. They think of it as their uh, their aristotle, uh aristocrat, thank you,
their aristocratic privilege. Is what I was trying to say, Well, what wasn't What was it, Mark that got you to start thinking this way? You're not alone in this, by the way, But what was it that got you to think this way? My paradigm was lost in in Mexico. Um I was. I was head first in to be a PhD. And uh, I was prepared to spend my life toiling in the jungles of Mexico to understand the
Maya and their disappearance or they're alleged disappearance. And how I just it was like the dissolution disillusioned tale of a film. I found myself. My naivete was just shattered. I found that this was a rigid orthodoxy and you were gonna get in line or you were going to drown. And um I was obsessed. I still am with Pocoll and the Red Queen at the ancient mayansight known as Plank and what I found there was a cover up. Those remains are missing, the DNA from Pocal and the
Red Queen. And for anyone who's not familiar or Pocall and the Red Queen, think of them as like the King tut of of Mayan archaeology. These are rock stars of the Mayan archaeological world. Most important find in the history of my min archaeology too, Christine Rulers tombs discovered in burial chambers within pyramids. Well, why do start the information about them? That is? That is such a such
a priceless question. Why uh? To understand that question, we really have to go back to what we were talking about before the founding of institutions like the Smithsonian, and we need to understand how these institutions operate. Who controls them the money, of course, and in this case we've got the i NAH, which is the National Institute of Anthropology and History. They're essentially the Mexican Smithsonian. They were funding this day dollar on a dollar for dollar matched
basis with the Rockefeller Foundation. That's pretty extensive. Yeah, yeah, and and and the Rockefeller Foundation and the Smithsonian and National Geographic and you NESCo. These are all tentacles of the same creature. Um. And so back to the question, why distort this, Well, because because it impacts the human history narrative, which they did, which they want us to believe their narrative. Yes, yes, exactly exactly you see there there. You can trace this back a good crystallization of this.
You can trace back to John D. Rockefeller. He essentially founded the Board of Education. I believe this was nineteen ten. It could have been nineteen oh one. I get the one in the zero mix up. But when he did so, I forget what it was a billion dollars three hundred million in nineteen o one ten. Anyway, he said, he's known for this quote, I want I don't want thinkers, I want workers. So if you really want to boil it down, that's I think the human history narrative is
designed to enslave the public. What would they want us to believe? Mark, Oh, well, they liked their social Darwinis narrative that I think most people kind of in their hearts but do believe that we are the product of Yeah, we are the product of them. Now that's a tricky business there, because it's we're we're not going to discount all of evolution, but what we're really talking about there is the origin of species, which is a huge misunderstanding.
The point being that if humans believe, the public believes that they are essentially animals and the product of this evolution and the focus of their life really is what materialism then consumerism, Well they like that just fine, and they would rather not tamper with that, and these discoveries most certainly would do that in the hearts and minds of people. Hence why I am here on this program. Do they not want us to believe in God? Mark? They don't. They don't want us to believe in God.
M They pretend like religious freedom is the important to them or to the nation, But that's not the reality that they would prefer. Because you see a public that is devoted to a deity, and mind you, this has nothing to do with what someone what the reality is, it doesn't matter, you can you know, we're not drawing any divisions here, but a public that is devout in their religious beliefs. Well, those their deity and their beliefs
then are the supreme authority in their hearts and mind. However, if they are reduced to animals, you know, worker bees in a colony, well then the state authority is essentially their god. Why would they care mark what we believe? Mmm? Because they care about their delusional empires um power. Is this the simple answer. There they their rule, their rule over the masses, and there their empire, which by the way, again is kind of a delusion. It doesn't really belong
to them. They think it does because they control the money. Um. But so that's yeah. They they they would just prefer our box, meaning our mental box, to be smaller, not larger. We started this program talking about the Kennewick Man. Can you explain a little bit more about him and why you believe there could be a little controversy here? Yes, so, Kennewick Man. The reason I wanted to begin with this is because Kennewick there's been for years, many years now,
and I'm sure you're very familiar with this. There's been rumors and claims of it Smithsonian conspiracy, as we said, to distort human history, and most of these claims revolve around the early twentieth century, late nineteenth early twentieth century discoveries of abnormally large skeleton giants giants on Earth in the burial mounts, just like the ones I was speaking
of earlier, Marietta, the Ohio River Valley. Okay, So Kennewick Man is the proverbial smoking gun that proves definitively here and now a Smithsonian conspiracy to distort human history by way of concealing abnormal human remains. Where are the remains as we speak? The Kennewick Man's remains as we speak, were allegedly repatriated to a secret location back near where
he was discovered by indigenous tribe. Allegedly a ceremony with two hundred natives and some scientists allegedly repatriated these remains back in Kennewick, near where they were found, Allegedly. You still think they're at the Smithsonian, don't. I don't know, you know they're They're compromised. They're so compromised, I wouldn't be surprised if they if they pulled some sort of scam, there would the skeleton of Kennewick show us that he
might have been a giant. Yes, I think so. They claim he was five foot seven, one hundred and sixty some odd pounds, but I can prove definitively and by their own evidence. When when when the Kennewick controversy initially erupted, the Smithsonian, who likes to play hide and seek with these bones, was suddenly caught with their pants down and there was like a nine year court case over this
and all that one. Yeah, exactly because of the controversy between the government, the scientists, and the Native Americans, there was suddenly mass media interest in these bones. Yeah. The Native American tribes claim those bones were theirs, right, Yes, yes they did. They had. The Native Americans claimed those are our bones and we want them repatriated under the Act, and the government, you know, I was sort of playing
tug of war with them. Interestingly, the court ultimately ruled that the US Army Corps did act in bad faith and they ended up having to pay two million dollars with the Native Americans court costs. So they were by
way of legal precedent, they were lying in course. But anyway, the point is mass media like NPR and and the Smithsonian, they were forced to reveal photographs of these bones, because there was too much interest by too many people who were not involved in any kind of conspiracy for them to play dumb like they normally do, or or just claim nonsense, right with the older bones, Oh, those bones never existed, whatever, But everybody knew these bones existed. Was
a big story back in six it was. It was big. It was it was international news because of the scientific weight of it, you see, right. And so they, when they would normally not like to reveal these bones to anyone ever, they suddenly found themselves, you know, being hounded by powerful media journalists demanding photos of these bones that they know they have. And so if you carefully examine now the bones, the real bone photographs were quickly eclipsed
by loads of photographs of replicas. Now they admit that they're replicas. But the trick it, the devil is in the detail those The replica's skull and skeleton is quite different than those original photos. If you examine those original photos carefully, what you discover is a radically deformed skull and a large skull at that a very very large, deformed, very I mean, I've seen a lot of form skulls in my day, and this is one of the most
warped I've ever seen. Now, what makes that so significant? Yeah, so, well, it's not just the warped skull he all. Another more careful examination of the bones also reveals that he has five fingers on his right hand, but no thumb, and he has the additional bones for a thumb. He certainly had a thumb, and this would mean that he had six fingers, and that would make him a polydactyl. Was that common in that time period nine thousand years ago? Well,
I'll tell you where it is common. Is it's common in ancient tradition in relation to narratives regarding these hybridized giant species, like the biblical Nephelim. Okay, the Book of Samuel specifically says cross between man and angel, right, correct, And that's right. The Nepheline, for any who are not familiar, according to the narrative, were the hybridized offspring of non human beings, angelic beings if you like, watchers, many names
for them, and the daughter ran yes, thank you. And they interbred with mortals humans and they created these gigantic, invasive hybrids, and they were lawless and evil and cannibalistic. How tall would Ken A. Wick Man be if we were able to get to that skeleton? In your opinion, well, I could speculate. Now I can't prove this, but what is interesting about the photo of the skeleton is that the entire photo taken on a black surface. The bones
are deliberately laid on a See. They did that on purpose, because now you have no reference scale reference. That's right, there's really no telling that thing to be huge. I suspect, and this is pure speculation, but I would guess that he was probably well over seven feet I would say he's between seven and eight feet tall. Listen to more Coast to Coast AM every weeknight at one am Eastern, and go to Coast to Coast am dot com for more