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And welcome back to Coast to Coast George Norri with you, Hugh Newman Back with Us. He was last on the program almost two years ago. He's a World Explorer conference organizer, author, tour host. He is a regular guest on Ancient Aliens, Unexplained, Forbidden History, Ancient Civilizations and other television shows. He is the author of Go Beckley Teppe in Katahan Tepe, the world's first megaliths, earth grids stone circles, and co author at Jim Vieira of Giants on Record and the Giants
of Stonehenge in Ancient Britain. He also contributed to megaliths studies in Stone, Sensing the Earth in Geomancy. He lives next to Stonehenge in the United Kingdom. You welcome back, Hove, you Ben.
I'm very good, George. How are you good?
Looking forward to this? How did you get interested in these.
Megaliths that actually came through Crop Circle? Was actually way way back twenty five years ago. They kept turning up and it kind of drew me into the megalithic landscape in Wiltshire and cornwall other places, and yeah, I became hooked, became a megalith' maniac, and that was that.
What did you conclude about crop formations? Those things amaze me.
They're doing, they keep coming as well, they're still coming over. There was plenty of this year's like twenty five or so this year. But yeah, they're fascinating. And the interesting thing about them is that they're located so close to these stone circles and megaliths and ancient earthworks and long barrows and everything else. And they even in code similar geometries and measurements as you get in the stone circles. So yeah, they're pretty amazing. But you know, and they
go back as well, just like the megaliths do. There's a prehistory of them.
Do you think they're et created?
Could well be. I mean some of them are difficult to explain. There's lots of sightings associated with them. Who knows.
I used to tell researchers that if you had one hundred crop formations, in ninety nine of them were made by man. There's the one you can't explain. That's the story.
Yeah, no, no, you're right, Yeah, that's it. I mean, even if a tiny percentage can't be explained, and you still have that today. Even it's quite strange. I mean, you know, people kind of tend to know who makes certain ones, but actually there's still some of them are still very much unexplained.
You wrote a book called Go Beckley Teppee and Ketahan Teppe, the World's First Megaliths. Let's talk about each site first of all, where they are and what they are in your opinion, go ahead with Go Beckley Teppy.
Beckley Teppee has become, you know, one of the main sites in Turkey to visit. This dates back to eleven thousand and six hundred years ago, this is the dating they get now. And they found a whole bunch of circular, oval or elliptical shapes sort of like stone circles, but the pillars are beautifully carved t shaped pillars. Then you have two giant ones in the middle as well, and much of this is like carved out of limestone, beautiful relief carvings on it. And they excavated about what five
to ten percent of the site. So they've got about five or six of these so called stone circles already excavated, but there's up to about fifteen more that haven't yet been excavated. This is just one site, and what they found there is is really quite remarkable. Is the new discovery is still being made there. And because the site appeared to have been deliberately covered over, it's hard to
kind of excavate. You've got to remove all this rubble and stone, but there's geometrist coming out of them, and there's specific measurement systems. There's remarkable alignments and very abstract artistic design in three relief on these stones. Now, people
weren't supposed to be doing this back then. It was supposed to be happening till Egypt, like six or seven thousand years later, and so you've got to imagine, you know, we're talking about like twenty stone hinges in one site, and now they think there's at least twelve of these sites in total, possibly even more so. Quebecley Teppe is really just the tip of the iceberg.
Does it look like the stones were moved or carved in.
Place in Quebecy Tepee. They've got they found the quarry site nearby but half a mile away, so they were carving them on the kind of plateau there on which is near Channelerfa in southeast Turkey, near Anti Taurus Mountains, and so they know they were relatively local, but they still had to carve them out solid.
Rock and move them over.
And move them over. And some of them were talking like between five and ten tons at least some of them could be good way more. They're now finding bigger and bigger stones like we're seeing at Carahan Tape for instance. And yeah, it does you know, it just shouldn't have been happening at this time. Even this sophistication isn't really evident in the stone circles of Britain some seven thousand
years later. And so you know where did that, You know, where did these ideas, this innovation, this style come from.
By looking at it, you what would you say it's purposes?
Well, it comes to be Becley Teppe. They I think it's multiple purpose. I think is as Klaus Schmidt, it was the original German archaeologist to kind of discover the
site in the mid nineties. He said, for a long time these were like temples, and this has now been changed by the new archaeologists that have come into Unfortunately, Klaus Schmidt died a few years ago and they're now claiming it's a kind of domestic dwelling where people were starting to live, where hunter gatherers started to kind of settle and start to grow food and things like this. But to me, when you look at the site, you
can see these highly decorated, ritualistic, almost shamanic sites. They're not just for people to hang out in or live there. This is something else. So it's definitely a ceremonial aspect to it. But also all the symbols seem to point to astronomy and even astrology in some cases, so it could have been an observatory, could also have been a place where pilgrims would go, could be a memory space where they're holding all the knowledge of their culture in
one place. And I think it was an innovation and teaching center, almost like a unit the first university. So it all this adds up to something quite remarkable.
Are there doorways hue where people can go into some place?
Well? The strange thing about the Bagley Teppi is is that there's no clear apart from a couple of the enclosures, there's no clear entrances. They're kind of almost like being blocked up with walls yet some people have suggested they may have had roofs. That's one of the theories. So people would have gone through the roofs through these old stones that were part of the roof. But on the enclosure D an enclosure C, it does appear to be
entrances coming in from the south. They got changed over time as though they're kind of kind of entering from the south looking north as they approached the kind of center of these enclosures that they may have climbed down steps is another option. That's why they can't explain why there's no clear doorways at ground level. But yeah, but certainly there's there's different theories about that for sure.
Is the structure hollow or is it solid?
Well, most of the what's being excavated a Beckley teppe is located on the bedrock, So the structures are built upon a layer of bedrock, and then they kind of place the stones and sert them in sockets and things like this and balance them in place somehow. And but some of the structure of the later structures they actually cover over earlier enclosures, earlier kind of stone circles, and
then build upon that. So they build up on the mound they covered it up with and so there's lots of rebuilding, reconstructing, reorienting, I think as well when it comes to the astronomy and astrology, and so yeah, I think there's quite a lot going on there. And these were in use for you know, a couple of thousand years before they were kind of covered over and completely forgotten about for about ten thousand years.
Wow, that's amazing. Let's move over to Kedahan Tepe.
Where is that Carrahan Tepe is located twenty three miles of about thirty seven kilometers southeast of the Beckley Teppe. It's in the Tech Tech Mountains. It's is limestone mountains, but when he drives through their feel like you're in the middle of nowhere. It's like a Marshall landscape and tape. That's a modern name given to it in nineteen ninety seven by bahten Selleic, a local archaeologist. It used to be called Ketchley Teppi, aec Eli and Tepi, and this
is still the name of a local area. And this
is again this has only recently been excavated. Since late twenty nineteen, I've been visiting the site along with Andrew Collins and J. J. Ainsworth since twenty fourteen before it was excavated, and all you could see there, which is pretty weird, it's just the tops of these T shaped pillars popping out of the ground because they had been covered over, remember like all these sites have and so and we always wondered what was going to be discovered there.
But then when they did start excavating and what did come out of the ground when it was eventually announced in the twenty twenty one is absolutely mind blowing. And it really is on par and similar to the Beck and yet here they appear carved directly out of the bedrock. In many cases we have kind of kind of subterranean chambers with pillars, you know, carved directly out of the bedrock.
We are protruding heads coming out of wolves, and even some of the tea pillars and benches on the western edge of the main enclosure anyway at Carahan Teppe is carved out bedrock, whereas the rest of the enclosure is free standing tea pillars. So it's a very sophisticated site. And they're realizing now, especially with new discoveries that have come out, that it is much bigger, even bigger than to Beckley Teppe. And this is just one of the other sites.
How deep were they covered up?
They covered up? I mean when we were visiting Karan Tepe, you know since twenty fourteen before it's excavated, it's covered up to the tops of the tee pillars. Basically it would have been completely covered over.
How many feet might have done that.
You're probably talking between seven and twelve feet wow, more in some cases because some of these tea pillars and now we're thinking they could be up to like at least maybe fifteen to eighteen feet tal at Carahan tape, so it could have been even more. They could have had layers on over time, you know, thousands of years. It kind of the tops get you know, the wind and where that kind of blows off the top layers, so things start to get exposed. And so yeah, so
that carry tape is really where it's happening. Now. This is where all the new discoveries are coming out. And
you know that. I think one of the most important things there is what's called the pillar shrine or structure AB and this is it's six by seven meters wide, so twenty odd feet you know, it's the shape of a kind of egg and cut down into the ground directly into the bedrock, and they've left these kind of phallic shamed monoliths carved out bedrock coming out of the ground, which is utterly unique in the area, and it kind
of blew people away when it was first discovered. And since they're more discoveries and the importance of that are now coming to light. Q.
Do you think these structures were buried on purpose or were they buried by weathering.
They were buried on purpose for sure, because you can see you can see most of the sites now that they were repairing the sites. Really they were repairing them because they must have got damaged, and then kind of burying them really carefully, so all the stones upright in situ. They're replacing kind of artifacts, these polys stone plates, for instance, on some of the benches between the tea pillars, so
they were definitely covered over. In fact, the archaeologist Nesmi Carl who running the excavation of Carahan Taeppe and Quebecu Teppe now height he wrote a paper about this and you completely see that in Quebecuy Teppe as well. I mean it's completely completely covered up, and just that alone. We're talking thousands of tons of earth and debris and stone being moved into place to kind of to do
that job. You know. So you've got the construction of it, you use it for a couple of thousand years, you repair it, and then you bury it all together. The amount of work, and there must have been hundreds of people involved in this.
Why bury it?
Was it?
Were they burying it to hide it or for some other reason.
That's a good question. That's what people are kind of confused about, to be honest with you, because I don't really know. I mean, they found that some of the site of Carahan Tepe, for instance, are being deliberately damaged kind of smashed up, and then it was buried, you know, and it's like, hang on, I said, so, is this a symbol of them kind of to close down the site, like decommission.
It somehow something might have happened.
Yeah, then they move on to maybe other areas. Maybe something was happening they had felt like they had to move from the area. Why that is when that we don't know, but we know that you know, there were incoming, you know, different people coming in from different areas. They could have been trouble in the area. It could have been to do with the climate. It could have been
to do with trouble growing food. It's now known that agriculture developed just after the construction of the Becky, Therepy and Karrahanta played the whole Neolithic Revolution, if you like, and so, yeah, so we have to have to consider that as a possibility.
Could they have been sacred sites and for some reason they decided to do away with them.
Yeah, I mean, it could have been other people coming in and like just wanted to destroy them, you know, things like this. But the fact that you know, I think they were very much sacred sites. I think they were observatories. They were sacred sites, and maybe they just had used them for what they needed to use them for, and they moved onto other areas and they would build other sites in different places. This could be the case. There's definitely stories of migration and evidence of that now.
But the fact that you know they were observatories meant maybe they you know, the stars and the planets and the sun and the moon had moved from where they wanted it to be after that, you know, so they'd done with it. They moved on to somewhere else. So that's one of the ideas.
Is were they buried in sand, hull or just dirt, was a bit of both.
I think they used the local materials like rock, rubble, different soils. There's even evidence in the pillar strife where these kind of eleven pillars sticking up out of the ground with the head sticking out of the wall that they kind of layered it really carefully, and at the very top they put kind of flagstones, like large flat stones, the kind of cover it over as a final layer if you like, and kind of preserve what was in there.
And they have found possibly stuff, possibly materials from different areas, like people are coming in from different parts of the country. Even so, it may have been a very special pilgrimage place when it was in use.
In terms of widespread this, how big would it be if you were looking at it from above.
Carrying Tepe stretches at least for a mile, I would say a couple of Wow, a couple of kilometers if you've stretched it across the landscape, because you've got you've got stuff going on different hills, like to the north, you've got Ketchley, Tepe you've got you've got sites further afield, like seven kilometers away or five or six miles away at harbort Zuvan to Pesle. And yeah, it's it's pretty big. Yeah, I mean it's bigger than you think. It's not just
one site you can walk about in. I mean because the large enclosed at Camerahan Teppe is twenty three meters or seventy five feet and that's only the main one that's been uncovered. There's a whole bunch of smaller ones in the general area. But it stretches towards the entire hill across the valley than they are realizing. And yet it's pretty epic, and I think people are going to realize that Quebecuy Teppe is bigger than people realize as well. It's pretty amazing.
What is this significance view of the winter solstice alignment at the Keddahan Teppee.
Yeah, that's one thing that really stunned myself and J. J Ainsworth. We had a fascination with our chaio astronomy for a long time and a series of events led us to be there for Winter Solstice in twenty twenty one December the twentieth it was at the time, and
we discovered this remarkable alignment. So there's a whole stone which is like almost carved out of the bedrock between the main enclosure and the pillar shrine where all these upright pillars are carved with the bedroom and this head sticking out which has got serpent scales and open mouth on it, which is three times a size the human head.
And they what we found was is that ten minutes after sunrise, the sun light would beam through the hole and illuminate the stone head precisely, and it would last and the kind of as the sun moved across the sky, the light would come in at a slightly different anger and illuminate more of the stone head and it would illuminate it for forty five minutes. So clearly this was designed for this purpose to mark the winter solstice. Doesn't
work any other time of year. The light only comes through it hits the head at that time of year, the most extreme southerly point of the sun in the year, you know, going up to Christmas almost and so that really stunned us.
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