Now here's a highlight from Coast to Coast am on iHeart Radio and welcome back to Coast to Coast George Nori with you our special guest. Chanel Schantz is the granddaughter of Kenneth Arnold. Now he's the first pilot of the modern UFO era to experience a sighting of nine flying saucers over Mount Renier in Washington on June twenty fourth, nineteen forty seven. Channel is a prolific writer philosopher, believing in the omniism that there is truth in all religions.
She has an associate's degree in philosophy from the College of Western Idaho and also has republished her grandfather's incredible book, The Coming of the Saucers. Channel, Welcome, I'm looking forward to this discussion with you. Hello, George, It's an honor and a privilege to be a guest from Coast to Coast. It was so wonderful to meet you at the Egyptian Theater nine years ago. Now that's right, Long time time goes five, right, it does? Was it your mother who
was the daughter of Kenneth Arnold? Yes, we My mother inherited the estate and just recently she's deciding to share it with me since I've been a speaker on his seat half. There's a festival in Chehalis, Washington, where he took off for his historic sighting of the Nine Flying Saucers. They have a festival every September and it benefits the museum there, the Lewis County Museum, and it's dedicated to
Kenneth Arnold. I thought I would never find a museum that fit my grandfather, but they found me, and you know, Roswell. They had just a small plaque of him down there, and this museum they have so much, so much dedicated to him. It's so it makes my family so proud that somebody's honoring his legacy. It's an incredible story. He passed away in nineteen eighty four. How much of him do you remember channel He definitely. I so much love
for him. My mother was his favorite daughter, and we were the ones that stayed in Boise where he was living, you know, and growing up. I have fond memories of him coming to my pirth days and pride parties. And when he was dying of cancer, he sat me down and told me not to trust the government to think for myself, and at at seven eight years old, that
was such a big thought for me to think. And you know, growing up, I told my second grade teacher after he had passed away that he was the first time to report flying saucers and she was like, oh, this is sweet, honey, And you know, I was always
just so proud of him. But he died disappointed, and he did believe that it wasn't the right time, and now it is the right time for the disclosure and the talk that everyone's had, I mean of these flying sauces as he'd finally been admitted to be in existence by the government finally, and my grandfather spent thirty thousand
dollars of his own money investigating UFOs. In his lifetime, he was gonna be a speaker for the Pork and Knife Club, and he had a good friend who was the aviation editor at Fido's States from Here and Voice Guido. He was also the National Guard part of that. And growing up I heard this story of my grandfather being driven out to the desert and warned about his speeches.
I used to think it was the men in black, but according to my mother, it was his friend Dave Johnson went Sido states from the aviation arther he he definitely u trying to find notes. But he drove my grandfather out to the desert and in his car, and when they got to where they were, he said, walk the se feet away from your car. I know this is what he told him. I know military men's sopptors speeches.
My brother worked for the military and fought them eliminates her own men and after that with a knife and fork club with growing their offer for him to speak. He only had one speech in Ontario, organ which is about forty five minutes away from Boissy, and there's still some flyers in circulation that are for stell on eBay. But he thought it was his spiritual mission and with these pamphlets he's made and they were called the Flying Soccer as I saw it, Um, what did he think, Chanel?
But he saw on June twenty four, ninety seven, Well, he definitely had all the credentials to be believed. He was part of Idaho's Search and Rescues Association. Yet four thousand hours of mountain flying, who was a solitist and a respective businessman of family man, an excellent pilot, had a clean record and absolutely nothing wrong with him. And when he had his fighting on June toy Work nineteen forty seven, he was searching for a crush forty six
military transport and the crushing to Mount Rainier. There is a reward of five thousand dollars if it was found. About three o'clock and it was a Tuesday afternoon, he was about nine thousand feet in elevation. He caught a
bright burnt flash in his cockpits, an arc light. He looked around, he saw a plane flying from Seattle the San Francisco in the distance, and then all of a sudden he saw an echelon formation line flying object four in front tisenback, flying at a high raised speed and he was in a perfect position to clock them in between Mount rain in Mount Adams. He clocked them about twelve hundred miles per hour, but later recalculated it at about seventeen hundred miles per hour, which was unheard of.
He thought they were guided missiles. As a pilot issue duty to report what you see for the security of the nation, you know, definitely, I mean even with our you know, the Chinese balloons, you know, we found out about those. You know, everybody wanted to know about that, so it was his duty to report what he saw. Then, you know, he was ridiculed a lot, you know, and really wasn't a speaker until the nineteen seventy seven UFOL Congress where Ray Palmer was there, and he had this
whole idea of something called the Simey factor. Is the ridiculed to de bunky and the harassment, it's all added a Simey factor, a term devised by Rape Palmer, a friend of Arnold for thirty years, in a lecture that Palmer gave in Chicago nine ten, seventy seven, two months forwards death. I was born this year, so this year in this congressman who's a part of means a lot to me. They were both into the Hawaspi Bible. A lot of people don't really know what that is anymore.
It was written in eighteen eighty two by a dentist. It's oahspe Bible, and its purports to be a history of the Earth and heavens for the past seventy nine thousand years. That eat Eurutherans or astral entities travel in vehicles along roadways that link cloths or placaus in a spiritual world that exists from six inches to one hundred
miles above the surface of the Earth. The craft from both worlds, Palmer noted, later made some particular fluttering emotions as Arnold's UFOs sided in nineteen forty seven, and a Palmer and my grandfather in the same way, believing in help Palm believe that if somehow had to the connection between the living and the dead. Palmer thought that they
were the saucers, were the spirits of the dead. Um, well, when when when your grandfather when he spotted these objects, and it was basically the first modern day vision of these flye saucers. What did he think they were at that time? At first sided missiles? Um, he just they kind of looked like a Chinese type the way that they're flying. He described them later when he landed in Panton, Oregon to the reporters, like saucers if you'd skip them on water, And the term fine saucers was coined and
he became famous overnight. He got letters from all over the world. Before Maury Island happened, he met key military men that Lieutenant Brown, Lieutenant Jamison. They came to my grandparent's house and had had a meal with them and then went through my grandfather's letters, picking out all the letters from the spiritual leaders they've written him. They were afraid that he was going to be become a prophet another good of art, you know, because of how famous
he passed. The mailman knew his address and he would get mail just to address Kenneth Arnold by Idaho, and the mailman delivered it to him. They knew where he was, they knew where he lived, Yes, and definitely so so, you know, but after the Knights Imports Club, he wasn't very much of a speaker. They made it a crime to talk about UFOs back in the day. That's how
he felt about it. Well, what I found fascinating about this whole episode was just a few weeks later, we had the crash crash at Roswell, New Mexico, And I'm convinced one of those objects that crashed, maybe two, might have been one or two of the nine that your grandfather spotted back in June. And I think it has a lot to do with the Adam bombs that we're being unleashed there in that area, ripping holes in dimensional time.
You know, we believe that these playing saucers are family believes they're coming from the dimension We got to you from where we die and they're innit dimensional and mountains our portals. I've seen, you know, some episodes about how people believe that mountains our portals to the other dimension, the fifth dimension. We're in the third. But it's it's a pretty advanced spot because people want to believe they're
coming from other solar systems. The time travel is or just traveling through space, it's so like hard to calculate how you would do it. You'd have to have a wormhole or stuffing to get here from where, you know, other parts of the universe. And I almost believe that if universe might even be an illusion to us and we're just you know, stuck in this this planet and they they made us. There's the angels that were talked about in the Bible, and you know the Bible had
been rewritten. There's so many artifacts coming out of South America that are that have depictions of aliens, you know, that's what we call them. I mean, they could be us in bodies after we pass on. Possibly they could be time travelers from the future. I've heard that before too, but um, you know definitely. Uh, I thowt this like during the pandemic in my backyard, I had EUO post fighting And at first when you see them you think that they are like flying in the formation of a
burdening you. But they were flying so fast that they disappeared. My husband barely saw them. But um, that was kind of odd, odd experience I had. There was a lot of weird things going on during the pandemic. Um a lot of UF post fightings during the pandem Well back in nineteen fifty, the incredible broadcaster for CBS, Edward R. Murrow, interviewed your grandfather, who said at that time that he saw three additional sightings of the nine spacecraft later on.
So he must have been in a hotbed area. Huh. Yeah. He had eight sightings in all, and he had one La grand He had one over Mount Cheff. We have some of them documented, some of them we don't. But he was just a pilot. He was always flying around and somebody he definitely became friends liss with Captain e
Ja Smith. He was a pilot for United Airlines that saw nine fine passers over Emma, Idaho, shortly after my grandfather's sighting on July fourth, nineteen forty seven, and they became friends with Marie Island incidents investigating that for Ray Palmer. Ray Palmer paid my grandfather two hundred dollars to fly to Tacoma to investigate the Moree Island incident. But um, it seems that Ray Palmer, you know, they were writing
coming in his tale about my grandfather's fighting. But Ray Palmer was a fictional writer, and it seems that he was friends with Fred Chris Christman, and possibly um, they had made the story up just to make up, you know, more for for the book to you know, have something more to write about. Because the whole Marie Island incident, you know, supposedly my grandfather had a piece of ufo. His friends, the ones that went through his mail. Their
airplane had just been refurbished. It crashed and killed so killing them both. And he was devastated. He was scared. He was leaving uh Tacoma and either shut his fuel line off or somebody shut his fuel line off, and he almost crashed his airplane. But he, you know, the Moree Island incident. They were staying at a hotel. It was weird when he got to Tacoma, there was nowhere.
Everywhere was buck there's no vacancy. But he kept to the one for a motel and they have a room reserved for him, and he swore that there was a dictaphone in the room and that's a recording device because reporters kept meaning him outside of the lobby for information on what they were doing there. And in the whole situation. You know, definitely was kind of a you know, carry for my grandfather because of the military, just like thinking
that there was such special about him. He knew stuff that they didn't and he felt like, you know, he had no privacy and even at his house, he felt like his house and he was just a simple man. He was a pilot. He did his duty to report what he saught and you know, he got ridiculed. My aunt got ridiculed in school unfortunately. But like growing up in my era, I grew up in the right time
for this. Um, finally, my grandfather's being honored. They want to, you know, create a pattoo of him and Chehalis, which is totally awesome, you know, if that ever comes about. But I'm just glad there's a place to honor him. Absolutely, and you know, he lasted until nineteen eighty four, so you got thirty seven great years with him after the sighting. Was he able to live down some of the people, the animosity from some people, Um, you know, towards the
end of his life, he was just really disappointed. And I felt that in him. And you know, he had a he had military friends, he had friends, all sorts of friends all over the ice. He was so respected. And somebody in the book I picked the pictures of the flying saucers that are real features of flying saucers, and he wrote on the back of those he believed they were the same flying suffer he wouldn't have Spende twenty fourth, ninety fourty seven, And those pictures are part
of the books that I republished. And also and he was my age. He ran for lieutenant governor of Idaho and also for Congress, and he had a huge campaign. He met President Eisenhower and and also spent him I think a telegram saying that we were being visited from other worlds. You know, he felt like it was his duty to figure out the mystery. But any he did not win those general elections, did he No, Yeah, it was still too you know, the fact that he saw
the flying saucers. Even and I think it was the sixties, it still it was still, you know, very taboo. You know, it's not like it is now. It's definitely a hot thing. There's UFO conferences everywhere. Everyone wants to talk about why they're here, and you know, why why did we have the semi asia. They've always been here, But why wasn't my grandfather the whoke humanity as I've always been here? But that summer it was the mysterious ufful wave of
nineteen forty seven. Everyone started seeing flying saucers after my grandfather, and it passled the ufologists to this day how he south flying saucers and then everyone else started seeing him. My first interview in nineteen seventy one, when I was a kid reporter, was with Stanton Friedman, whom your grandfather met in nineteen seventy seven at a UFO congress. Yes, that must have been fascinating for both of them, because
Stan was just he loved UFOs. Oh, I know. And I got to meet Stan when I met you, and we took him to the airport and I told him
I loved him. When I dropped him off to the airport, because I knew it was the only time I would see him, because you know, he was older and he passed away, and at least I got to meet him because being met my grandfather, and you know, that was just the way wonderful, getting to meet Staton Streaman finally, you know, honestly, my grandfather was so popular all through the ages, and the Roswell instant came about when Staton
made it come to light in the early eighties. But I know it was like the late seventies that it came about again because it was you know, covered up and then all of a sudden, you know, Rothwell things kind of went rolling. And I am friends with the Roswell grandchildren. I loved Denise and Jesse to that. Jesse also agrees that these are coming from another dimension. We
did a podcast together. But anyhow, I feel like our grandparents who wanted to be friends, and um, you know, I adore my friendship I have with Stem because we're in a flying soccer filled together, you know. Listen to more Coast to Coast am every weeknight at one am Eastern and go to Coast to Coast am dot com for more