Extraterrestrials - Best of Coast to Coast AM - 1/2/25

them and George for years, like yourself. I mean, I have received the most incredible stories from people, law enforcement, military personnel, you, people in all walks of life who have seen things in the skies and sometimes also in our oceans and under other circumstances that just aren't easily explained. And so I'm just very passionate about trying to understand.

Even if we never figure out entirely what it's all about, I want to try and learn as much, collect as much data, and try and really put some work behind trying to understand what this all means.

others were books in my dad's collection. And I couldn't even read by the time I was asking for those books, and my parents said, hey, you know, if he's asking for books, let's give him some. I don't think they knew at that young age that they were going to be setting the course for where I would go for the rest of my life. But here we are, Mike.

can be carried up into the atmosphere. You look at the tartar grades. They can make their way up into space, and they can sometimes find their way into very unusual places, and they look very alien. I would argue that there is extreme diversity here on planet Earth. Some of the organisms right here on our lovely little mudball planet Earth,

they look very alien. And I just find it extremely hard to believe that with liquid methane oceans on moons and circling planets in our own Solar system, with the very promising indications right now getting from the James Webspace Telescope, when we look at the atmospheres of exoplanets light years from Earth, I find it almost impossible to think that

there isn't life out there. And indeed, if we look at the question of intelligent life and where it may exist, some of the UFO data is very compelling in terms of that possibility. That possibility that life may not only exist somewhere out there, but that it might have actually made its way into our own cosmic backyard, maybe even into our own atmosphere.

ride up front. One thing I should say, George, you know you again also a nightcap veteran and someone who's had a long history with us. We had whistleblowers coming forward for decades, decades saying that there is something going on, something more than what the government is letting us know. And some of those former officials during these most recent hearings were saying that too. And although the congressional hearing

got a tremendous amount of attention. Another hearing followed that almost immediately thereafter, with a new director of the All Domain Anomaly Resolution Office, the official UFO hunting unit within the Pentagon. Doctor John Kazlowski. The new director, testified before members of the Senate and he told some incredible stories

about some what he called good UAP cases. So, as far as what I think about this, not only do we have former intelligence officials coming forward saying, look, there is a there there, and I think there is more going on and the public deserves to really know to the extent what's happening, we also have career scientists and intelligence officials currently still within government saying, there there, We're tracking these phenomena. We don't know what all of them are,

but there is certainly something worth studying. I mean, and that me alone should really indicate to the American people and to people all around the world the UFO phenomenon, once stigmatized, once ridiculed by the science community, it's something that is being taken very seriously. It should be taken seriously.

Stigmas should be removed, and we should really seriously be looking at this phenomenon that has been present and as people like you and I know for decades, maybe much longer than that too.

allegations of secret programs that have been made over the years. But in terms of why they're doing it now, what we really saw over the last few years, and this all kind of starting in twenty seventeen, was renewed interest after it was revealed that, first of all, there was a Defense Intelligence Agency program that was looking at this.

That was a big shocker for people, and it was equally shocking to see this reported in a paper of Record, the New York Times, several in fact, the Washington Post, Politico and others. Really, these kinds of developments are what led me to founddebrief dot org, and that's where we report on these issues frequently. But public scrutiny, people being interested, people saying wait a minute, you told us you didn't study this stuff, and now we're learning that you did.

That certainly got lawmakers interested, and there is a small nexus of lawmakers that are still saying, hey, look, if these people say that there is more going on here than what the American people have been told, we need to look at this. But the other side of this that's so concerning to George is that some of those lawmakers are also hearing from some of the alleged whistleblowers that hey, guess what, there also may be secret programs,

special access programs the Congress isn't being informed about. Now, how can they have oversight of these issues as elected officials if they aren't being told about these programs. So again, journalistically or in terms of lawmakers looking at this issue, people want to know what we haven't been told.

will make allegations that sometimes aren't true. And I think what really people have to understand about this is that a fundamental part of intelligence and collecting information involves counter intelligence, which again is a quade, a rabbit hole we could go down. I think.

we were taken aboard that flying object. We interacted with the occupants on board that thing, and they even claimed that there was some physical evidence. You would think that something like that would settle the debate, right, and yet maybe decades later, we're still talking about that case. The thing that I think really has to be emphasized is that some of history's best cases, people are still curious,

but they're also still skeptical. And what I always try to is a journalist who covers this, George, I try to emphasize to people, Look if the stories and the history of upology doesn't do enough, or you go online, go to Arrowaaro dot mill and read the reports that the Pentagon is now publishing through that office. Read their reports. Look at the characteristics that they describe about the UAP

as the military calls them, that are being studied. Look at the resolution case studies where they say we can explain some of these things, but look at the number that aren't explained. Look at how they say the FAA is now providing reports to them. Listen to this weekly look at all the pilots who are saying that they've encountered these objects. You know, I collect those reports from pilots and from civilians, from law enforcement officers, and from

members of the military myself. And when you read all of those reports and you see all of that data, there would have to be there. There would have to be some kind of fire for there to be so much smoke. George.

with a grain of salt. We should be careful. I'll also point out that, you know, again, n ICAP, the civilian organization, the largest UFO investigative organization at that time, they had actually interviewed the Hills before the hypnosis occurred, and Barney Hill gave very very detailed descriptions not only of the craft that he observed while standing in a field outside his car looking through binoculars, but he also described seeing the occupants on board that craft clearly through

the windows. He described their behavior, facial expressions, he could see the manner of dress. You know, again, it was extremely detailed information that was provided. And again all that before the hypnosis that revealed the deeper level of the encounter and what they claim to have experienced. But doctor Simon again going on the record as a medical professional and saying, listen, I don't know what it was that

happened to them. I can only tell you in my professional opinion that these two were not lying in whatever happened to them. They certainly believe that it was real. You add to that the report and the information from before the hypnosis, and again I see why, and I maintained myself that it's an incredible case.

it continues to fascinate us. But it's this NIMTS incident from back in two thousand and four where Navy pilots piloting FA eighteen super Hornets with the USS Knimetz Carrier Group, they were conducting these expirit these training operations out off of the California coast and for several weeks actually using the new phase to rate radar systems that had been instituted at that time. They were detecting objects and they first thought, well, you know, we're seeing a malfunction. It's

a new system. This shouldn't be happening. George. I've talked with at least one of those radar operators sat there and spoken with him in the room with him, Gary Voorhees, and he said, it was such a situation for us that we shut down the system, booted it back up, trying to figure out what was happening. We're still detecting these objects out there. So eventually they vector two pilots

and their weapons systems officers. They fly out there. I have met and spoke into one of those two pilots, Alex Dietrich, and then they get out there, they see this little object. It's kill or tick tact shaped and it's moving erratically over the ocean surface. And as Captain Dave, or rather Commander Dave Fraber, goes in to take a look as he's flying down to get closer to the object, it turns toward him, ZiT by and disappears, and then

they're notified by the radar operators. We've got the thing on radar again and it's at our cap point, which is a location used for those training exercises that is only discussed over encrypted channels. So how did this thing know where to go? What was the object? And it was of course filmed later that same day by another weapon systems officer on board another Fa eighteen super Hornet that went out was in the same training area. There's a reason why that case is such a landmark. And

as the gentleman who filmed that object, Commander Chad Underwood. Now, Underwood said, you know, the thing was jamming our radar while we were trying to film it. In my opinion, and this is how he characterized it. When it is operating in controlled military airspace during military training operations and it is actively trying to jam our radar, that is

what we would call an active war. Now, I don't think that there's war intended by whoever or whatever was operating that thing, but he characterizes that to emphasize this is not the kind of thing that the military does not take seriously. That's what the American people and so many others around the world need to understand. Our military is having ongoing encounters with objects that behave in that way, and we do need to try to get to the bottomble what these things are and what that means.

I'm going to be going back there soon. But David and I we jumped in his jeep and we went out there to the site, and we stood on the hill and we walked down into the desert and there it is the landing site. What I think happened, I mean, I couldn't know for certain, but I do know this that you know, a respected law enforcement officer there in SoCoRo, New Mexico, had actually been involved in a police chase.

There had been a vehicle he was chasing first, and he sees out of the corner of his eyes something going down, and he was concerned because there was a T and T shack up on the other side of the hill there. He had been worried about that. And he goes up as the gravel's spinning. You know in that road that Lonnie literally drove his police car up is still there. I've been right there to it, and so being able to see this and replay these events

in my mind was fascinating. But he's going up the hill, gets to the top of the hill, he sees, like you described, what he thought maybe was a car accident, and he said, I thought there were a couple of kids standing next to what I presume was the overturned car, because I saw him, and they looked startled. Their body language seemed to indicate they were startled by my presence. So he starts to drive closer to try and get over there and help, and suddenly this thing starts making noise,

flame is shooting out of the bottom of it. As he says, it lifts off of the ground. And again Lonnie didn't know what this object was. He described it as being kind of egg shaped, and I would say probably not unlike the description of the object that Commander Dave Freber and Alex Dietrich described that oval egg or tic tac shape. This object begins lifting off the ground. It's making a tremendous amount of noise. Lonis the more leaps to the ground, thinking it's going to explode, and

then suddenly the noise dies down. He looks over his shoulder and the object is zipping off away toward the mountains. I stood there and looked at those mountains and again replaying those events in my mind, at the place where it all happened. It's got to be one of history's absolutely best encounters. And you can see why as the man on the ground that the Air Force sent just days later. Yeah, Jay Allen, heinez looked at that case.

He saw the scorch earth, you know, and the upturned stones and the gravel, and the disturbance on the ground where this thing he'd land that it had landing gear that helped it come down. Clearly something happened there. Physical trace evidence was left and no less than a law enforcement officer was the witness who said he saw it.