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Talked with the top experts. Welcome to Beyond Contact. I am Captain Ron, and today I'll be speaking with Michael Schrapp. Michael's a military aerospace historian and a private pilot himself. He's been investigating UFO cases for over twenty five years, including meticulously reviewing a minimum of fifty thousand cases that were preserved at the Center of UFO Studies in Chicago. That's the group that was founded by the late Jay
Allen Heinek. What he also does is he takes these old cases, takes their descriptions, even some line drawings, original line drawings, and then he commissions new color drawings and illustrations to bring these cases to life. It makes it much easier to understand, and he refreshes them and it's really fantastic. He does as much research in this area as anyone I know. Hi, Michael, welcome to the show. Thanks so much for coming on. I really appreciate it.
You've been looking at this UFO subject for a long time, and after all that time, do you feel that some of these are actually craft from off planet, other civilizations of some kind et craft.
Well, looking at this for a little while now, personally, I'm convinced that ninety five percent of what people are reporting as extraterrestrial UFOs are in point of effect, are on Deep Black programs. The remaining five percent represents the core of reality of this phenomenon. Some of the new understanding, and this kind of goes back to Roswell, is that these crafts were not et in nature, but they were extra teenchoral from our future. So that's kind of been some of the latest understanding.
Yeah, that is. That is one of the talks, even the interdimensional travel. Even Mark D'Antonio and some of these other guys are saying that they think that these craft actually somehow are able to transfer between dimensions.
Yeah, because these UFOs, these usos, these UAP they have been seen as tricksters. They can materialize and demterialize as they need. They've been seen going into the side of the mountains with no impact. They seem to have no problem going from one medium to the next. They can go from air to water and air back again. So it doesn't look like we're dealing with metallic shit. You know, in many cases we're dealing with something else here.
Do you think that any of those things could be actually secret military aircraft or perhaps another government spy program that just has better technology than we're aware.
Well, just looking at the documents, looking at the newspaper clippings, and tracking the Black budget for decades, you can clearly see that they have been throwing billions of dollars into black programs, and some of these programs they were born black, they died black. Will never hear anything about it. There's no public scrutiny, there's no accountability these things are off the rails. If there's a failure, we're never going to
hear about it. We're never going to hear about In fact, during the Clinton industry, we were spending one hundred million dollars per day programs.
Incredible. I mean, if that's what we're spending that kind of budget, then you can imagine one hundred million a day, and that you know, was years and years and years ago. Maybe by now we've developed something like this, So maybe it isn't another civilization? Is it possible that these are all earthly creations from humans?
Looking at the newspaper clippings from the mid nineteen fifties, it's very clear and this is all born out in the newspaper clippings that probably October fifty four, doctor Greer talks about this. I tracked those dates and they're consistent with what the newspaper clippings are showing us, is that defense contractors, universities were desperately trying to correct the gravity barrier like it was an all out desperate attempt. This is something on the level of the atomic bomb program,
and they were absolutely desperate to do this. And then looking at the witness testimony, it's clear they've made the breakthrough.
They've done it.
They have absolutely done it.
So then there may in fact not be anything to the UFO alien thing as people claim.
Well here's the other thing too, though, because these sidings date back to the ancient Romans. They date back to the ancient Egyptians. We know Christopher Columbus had a sighting. We've got USO cases all around the world prior to nineteen forty. To say that everything is man made is just not consistent with the historical record. In fact, I've got cases from eighteen sixty five in Wajaco, Mexico. This is long before the Wright Brothers flew on December seventeen,
nineteen oh three. This is Wahaco, Mexico, eighteen sixty five. Hundreds of times people saw a yellow colored trumpet hovering over the city for six hours back in eighteen sixty five, a literal trumpet.
Wow.
So these cases.
Go back a lot earlier. I've even heard of things like going way way back, even like Samerian texts they find on some tablets they saw a silver ball in the sky and things like that. Obviously that's not our military, so maybe there is something there You've been looking at this for so long, and lately your attention seems to
have moved on to crash retrieval cases, specifically. A couple of weeks ago we had Ryan Wood on and in his revised book he chronicles details of one hundred and four crash retrieval cases, and he mentions that there may be even a few more new ones that haven't made his book yet. You've been looking at the accumulated case studies of Leonard Stringfield, and I think you mentioned he had what one hundred nineteen cases.
Very well done, Yeah, nineteen, plus an additional over one hundred from Ryan Wood in his new book, Magic Guy's and only following him two. Now he's got over one hundred there. Now, there are some overlaps in there, but when you look at this conservatively, at least one hundred and twenty four total between the two books, all we need is one of these to be authentic, and this whole case of UFO crash retrieval non reality completely falls apart.
We only one case, that's it. So the numbers are in our favor.
Yes, I always like to point that out. The more you look at this, keeping in mind that you only need one of them. And if we have at least one twenty four cases that are considered credible crash retrieval cases, if one of those made anything, that's it exactly.
We've got people working at rich Petters and air Fook Space who were cataloging a thousand components that came in from a crash retrieval. I don't think these people are lying.
To us personally.
I think it's the crash retrievals that are going to be the vehicle for disclosure, because it has the bodies, the debris, and the craft rolled up all into this thing. And we've been doing this for eighty years now as a collective united coalition and researchers, and if we don't do something drastic, we'robably going to be here another eighty years and we're still not going to know because we have tried the democratic process through Congress, and I feel
they've failed us. They've just failed us, and so now it's incumbent upon us track down these remaining legacy witnesses that can get us to their bosses and supervisors, that can bring us to the bodies. You know, for example, Marion Black, Matt Madruder, he was a ACE pilot in World War Two. He was sent over to England to learn about night fighting. He came back here April nineteen
forty eight. He was at Montgomery, Alabama, and he was pulled with a group of his test pilots to go view the survivor and the ailien corpses that were left over from Broswell. This is April nineteen forty eight, and we have his testimony. He's a incredible witness.
Wow. I think that people disregard too much of this witness testimony, and I think it's it's a shame really. And Michael, you were talking about these cases of crash retrievals and you had looked at the Leonard Stringfield stuff. Why don't you tell us who Leonard Stringfield was and what do we know about him.
Leonard Stringfield was a former military personnel. He died in nineteen ninety four. He worked in Cincinnati in a chemical plan for a number of years. Over the years, he wrote two books. He also published multiple status reports that highlighted his investigation into UFO crash retrievals. Those status reports have been compiled into a rather thick document that can get on Amazon. UFO Crash Retrievals by Leonard Stringfield. It's about one hundred dollars book. It's well worth it. But
the problem is a couple things. Leonard would not release the names of his witnesses. That's the agreement that he had with them. So the other problem is there's no drawings, there's no illustrations, there's no sketches, there's really no visual aids to go with, so you're left with your imagination to try to picture what these things look like. And you know, that's not always a bad thing because we want to use our imagination, we want to make it real.
But personally, I like to see what these cases look like based on their actual testimony. So over the last three years, I've made it my crusade to commission professional artists to do a pencil sketch full rendering and then do a three D full color rendering to make these cases come alive. So that's what I've been doing the last three years.
Yeah, it's really cool and it really does bring life to that to each of those cases, and it makes us feel part of it. It's wonderful. I've seen some of your drawings. Okay, you're listening to Beyond Contact on the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast am Paranormal podcast network.
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Welcome back to Beyond Contact with Captain Ron. I'm talking to Michael Schratt And the thing about Leonard, it's great that he got these stories and it's wonderful how they can add to the data. But you know, in today's world, it's really difficult. When we don't have the names. That makes it less credible. People are ready to jump on it and discredit it, of course, But let's talk for a minute about these people that he interviewed. These were not farmers or people out in the woods. These were
all military people. In fact, a lot of high ranking military people, right.
These were first hand military sources. Now, we do have the names on some of these, actually quite a few. I don't have all of them, and I don't think anybody does, but we do have a number of those, and those names could be run to ground. We could check those, we could verify those. I don't have the resources. I don't have the private investigating capability to track these people down. And we're talking forties and fifties. A lot of these people are gone. But we do have a
number of the names. So if we had the firepower, we could track these people down and they could possibly lead us to where their supervisors were, and that could lead us to where this hardware is. Because this whole thing boils down to the actual physical evidence. Anything less than that and we're completely wasting our time. There's an a bum fundance of evidence in the form of CE ones and C two's, and we don't need another CE one case. You can go on nicap dot org until
the cows come home. Well, what we need is the physical hardware to move this whole feel forward. That's what we're lacking.
That is one hundred percent on the nose. I think even if we had that, there's still be a lot of people that would challenge it and not believe it in today's climate, so even with that we would be struggling. And without it, it makes it much more difficult for a lot of folks to come on board with this, you know. I also feel, Michael, that a lot of people don't realize the volume of credible military witnesses who have claimed to have some sort of interaction directly with
these kind of craft. We hear about David Groush, We've heard Bob Blazaar, there's a few other famous ones. But I think most people don't understand the sheer volume of actual military government officials who have come forward about this and shared their story. I think someone needs to compile that.
Another thing we could put some people on. Let them compile that list of all of these people that have come forward direct first person accounts of their direct contact with a craft, which is so much stronger than a light in the sky. Yeah, this is an important part of the whole thing. The sum total of all of these cases together, in a sense, is more than just the facts of any one of its cases on its own.
What are your thoughts on the number of military people who have had such accounts and do you think there'll be more coming out with testimonials.
Well, we've seen the David Grush thing last year. You know what we need here is not a onesie and a twosye. We need a united coalition of engineers, test pilots, people who worked on these programs, people who loaded craft up and put them on eighteen wheeler tractor trailer low boys and ship them to write Patterson Air Force Face. We need like twelve or twenty four of these people coming together with one united voice, with hard physical evidence, and it's going to be a lot harder for the
book groups to keep this under wraps. That's what we really need, and the time is ticking and it's really the final curtain call on getting these crash retrieval witnesses to come forward. This is literally the final curtain call because they're going to age out. You mean they're going to age out. Yeah, that's what's already happened in Rossow. You can see behind me here. This is basically the
morning of the eighth July eighth, nineteen forty seven. All of the original five or ninth bomb group members that had anything to do with this case, they're all gone. It's a show in the eyes of the government. It's cover up complete, and they're just waiting out the clock for the rest of these crash retrievals that are catching
up really quick now. And these people are just dying away and no one's tracking these people down, and they're passing away, and there's an important part of our national history is slipping right out of our hands.
No doubt about it, no doubt about it. You know, Don Schmidt and those guys that did these interviews about the Roswell case and that they said their biggest problem was that they were racing against time to catch these guys before they aged out. And it's a shame we've.
Lost so many year though, because as you know, the civilians got to the crack site before the military did the debris field and the crash site. Civilians got there first. So you know for a fact, and so does Don Schmidt,
and so does Tom Carey. We know one hundred percent that there are people in Roswell this very hour, this very second that have pieces of the debris and handed it down through the family in Roswell right now, talking about the memory metal, talking about the tingfoil like debris that could not be cut, could not be burned, could not be dented with a sixteen pound sledgehammer. And then the ie beams that is in Roswell right now in
somebody's trunk up on the attic. Who it is, I don't know, but it's there.
Once you think by now that someone would have come forward with that. Don't you think that it feel safe enough with today's climate?
They have. It has happened a couple times where Don and Tom got a call and they got a lead on someone who has debris, and it always never pans out right, it always fails. So this evidence is always two steps ahead of us, but for sure they have it.
They have it.
There are families now that handed the debris down through generations that keep it. Don't ask me why, But you know they know how valuable it is because the way this game is played, the way it was explained to me that you know, literally this is a game. It's us against them. The way this game is played is they don't care what you know. They care what you can prove. So you're welcome to go all over the world. You can talk all the witnesses and secondhand dead Man testimony,
you can go all university, do whatever you want. Until you have physical evidence. It's a non issue to them. You get physical evidence, now you're on the radar screen.
Okay, Let's say they turn in the piece. Somebody calls tomorrow and says, hey, I found this medal in my garage. It's roswell metal from a craft, and they get a tested or whatever. Don't you think that we would then say that while we've got technology now to do that.
It would have to be absolutely verified. There has to be a lineage of how it got there. The grandfather was at the fob O on ninth or something. There'd have to be paperwork, documentation, verification. Maybe it'd have to be sent to Betel Memorial Institute where it was originally sent. They probably still have some there. Now, if you send it there, it's probably not going to come back and it'll be the last time we ever see of it.
So that's a problem too, is getting it verified. It has to be independently verified by a coalition of engineers who are involved in metallurgy. They're going to test the tensile strength of this. I mean, you could literally take a sixteen pound sledgehammer and nail this thing and it wouldn't make a dent in it. That's kind of what we're looking at here. So it's a risky move. They
know how valuable this stuff. Back in forty seven, they used to go into barns and they would pull up floorboards and they'd rip open seedbags, and they would threaten witnesses with death, and this whole thing just way got out of hand.
I have to admit, Michael, that the sheer volume of these reports, as well as the many similarities of these accounts, does point to there being something to these cases, and our government must have recovered something. Do you find that these cases have similarities, like you've found different witnesses claim that the craft was in the middle of a warehouse and they're scaffolding around it. The more people that have had the same experience. I feel like that adds to
the credibility of these testimonies. What do you think.
I don't think I could say it much better, but yes, you're absolutely correct. What I'm finding after looking at these cases and even in Ryan Woods book there's similarity too. Is that when you find a common denominator or feature described by the military witness, and then you find the exact same thing by another person, separated by time and space, now you know you've got a real case. For example, there's a case within the Stringfield collection that has to
do with the United States Marine. This is December nineteen sixty three. He was flown on a plane with blackedout windows from Cherry Point, North Carolina. This is December nineteen sixty three. Now, this is about a three hour flight to an undisclosed location that he didn't know what it was. When he got off the plane, they brought him to a hangar. They opened up the hangar doors and there was a forty foot diameter dish shaped craft propped up
on scaffolding about five feet off the floor. There were multiple teams of white lab coat technicians that were around this craft. They were examining the craft, and he said that they were using diamond tip drill bits to try to breach the whole of this craft and they couldn't do it. And I got another case from forty six at Rightfield, Dayton, Ohio, where they were also using diamond tip drill bits. And I know these two cases are separated.
These witnesses did not know each other, and this is something that I've seen multiple times in these Stringfield cases.
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We are back on Beyond Contact with Captain Ron. I'm talking with Michael Schrad here. You brought up this nineteen sixty three case that this marine was testifying to. Seeing this, it's almost sort of like a clamshow where it's got the big portals around the side on the edges. Is that correct?
Well well done? Well done?
Yeah.
So he walks in and he notices that there are other guards there as well. His job was to guard this thing for two weeks. There were men with lab coat technicians, white lab coats. All these people had color coded badges on. So if you had a yellow badge, you could go here. If you had a green badge, you could go here. If you had a red badge, you had access to the entire facility. They had a catwalk wrapped around this thing. It was about forty feet
in diameter. It had nine opaque, elliptically shaped windows wrapped around the outer circumference. This thing was highly polish reflective exterior. There were no visible means of propulsion, no rivets, no welds, no socketthead capstrews, no he's head capscrews. He said that there was the absolute finest outline of an entryway hatch on the bottom of the craft. You could not put
a razor blade into that hatch. It was like a liquid metal hatchway that was embedded into the craft, just like the granite and limestone blocks of the Giza Plateau where you could not put a razor blade between those either. That's what he mentioned that personally, so he's guarding this craft. He also said that there was a one inch lip between the outer skin of the craft itself and the outer portion of these windows. There was definitely a little
lip that you could feel with your thumb. Now, there was one time where he was left alone by himself with this craft. He brought in a small Minx camera and he took a photograph of this thing. That photograph was lost in a flood back in nineteen eighty three. We were this close of getting this photograph of this craft. It would have been a huge thing. And on the very last day he was there, he saw them lifting the craft off of its scaffolding. It was being put
on an eighteen wheeler tractor trailer, lowboy truck. They were covering it with tarps and moving it to the next location. So what they've done for decades here is they compartmentalize the information and they moved the assets from one resource area to the next, and that's how they keep it under wrapped. So in a nutshell, that is the nineteen sixty three US Marine case.
Yeah, and that one had the scaffolding around the ship. It wasn't it true that they would have people there that had orders to shoot to kill if you were within a certain distance from the craft.
Right, he was given those orders directly.
Yes.
Wow, there was a white circle painted on the floor and his job was to shoot anyone who breached that circle. So it was absolutely his job. And you know, I've got an original sketch from this marine. This is not a copy. This is like an original sketch. And what he describes in the sketch is overhead lighting on either side, shining down at a forty five degree angle. The whole place was excruciatingly well lit. That's talked about in many other retrieval cases. He's got the pads below the craft.
He's got the portion where they're using a diamond tip drill. Bit in the notes he talks about a laser incident where after the acetylene torches failed, they brought in a laser. They shine this laser on the craft. It reflected, bounced off and damaged a ceiling tile that was talked about in there. So we have about five pages of original notes from this guy that Leonard had talked to him. And then a man named Michael Johnstone why I got to do about a two hour videotape interview. He described
meeting with this gentleman as well. So we've got some pretty good paperwork to back this up.
That's awesome. And like you said, you know, when you tell someone you have ordered shoot to kill if you get near this thing, it must be something of importance, right. Also like there were these newspaper reports in that era, or maybe it's a little later sixty seventies, where we had servicemen who said they were instructed to shoot them down,
shoot down UFOs. And of course this is interesting because once again, if there's nothing there and UFOs don't exist according to our government, then what are these guys supposed to be ordered to shoot down? Right?
Yeah, that order was given in the early nineteen fifties fifty one, fifty two to fifty three timeframe, and absolutely correct newspaper clippings, literally dozens and dozens of those clippings where they were ordered to shoot these things down. And then we've got a report from a US military officer who's mentioned in the book, where he was at a CLII five materials library. He had the correct security clearance
to get to be there. He opened up a file cabinet, opened up one of these Manila folders, looked inside, and there was a report on crash retrievals, and they used
the term crashes more than one. They also talked about bodies, and they talked about a craft that came down very near Farmington, New Mexico, that was thirty six feet in diameter, had a low rise dome, it had porthole windows wrapped around the outer circumference of the upper dome, and then said that there was a quarter size hull that they were able to get access to some of the interior, and they were also using additional diamond tip drill bits
to get into that one as well. So here's we got three cases now these diamond tip drill bits being used.
It's interesting to me how you had said earlier that you felt that these crafts, some of these craft were not ours. Let's say that right. It's interesting that we have these craft, we have these stories of this craft, and then we also do have some military documentation of people who have worked on these craft and saw these craft and the fact that it kind of sinks up does strengthen the case.
Oh, absolutely absolutely. When you look at the common denominator, when you look at the repeating patterns, and this goes for not only crash re triebles, but the historical UFO
cases as well. Give you a couple examples. So we've got nineteen eighty nine nineteen ninety, which is the Belgium triangle, where we've got about five thousand eyewitnesses that reported a massive triangular, black shaped craft bought the size of a football field, having one light at each corner, one amber light in the center, and then tubes, pipes and cylinders
on the bottom of the craft. Now we go back in time to nineteen eighty two to nineteen eighty nine with the Hudson Valley boomerang, but also got reports of tubes, pipes and cylinders on that. And then we go to two thousand January fifth, two thousand with the Southern Illinois Triangle case, where we've got at least five police officers describing what look like mechanical structure and stacked legos on
the bottom of these craft. And these these are separated by decades here, and they're describing similar understructure on the bottom of these vehicles.
Michael, we've been talking about these cases. Let's move on for a minute here to some of this black program stuff that you're also involved in. I know you have worked with different people in different areas of classified black programs, including Air Force pilots, retired Navy personnel, aerospace engineers. These guys have maintained a top secret clearance. What is your takeaway with your interaction with these guys.
All I would have to say is that you know, these are American heroes. We want to respect their privacy, We want to respect things that are still within line of their NDA. So I don't want to push the
envelope with them. But if you look at the Bill Scott collection, who is the former head of Rocky Mountain, editor of Aviation Week Space Technology, who was probably closer to the Black World than any Bill Scott got closer than anyone because he had developed relationships with people who worked in the defense contractor industry, people who worked at Air Force Plant forty two, or who worked on the final assembly line of the B two stealth bomber at
the Northrop facility at Air Force Plant forty two. These are the kind of people that he was dealing with. Well over this sixteen year period. He kept getting these reports of this two staged orbit space plane system. It's always been rumored that there's something out there, something that would replace the Blackbird, something that would be a two staged to orbit space plane system that could be anywhere in the world in less than two hours. It's always
been rumored. But then when you start looking at the eyewitness testimony, there's newspaper clippings about people who've seen this thing flying over. It all boiled down to a man named James Petty who was living in Utah at the time, Salt Lake City. He's the only witness that saw both the mothership and the parasitic air prep at the same time. And when Bill Scott got that testimony from him, he said, you know what, We're going to go to press and
they went with that story. That was essentially Bill's final article for Aviation Weeks based Technology before he retired. And what they described is and this is a multitude of witnesses, is something that looked like the sixties XB seventy, this absolutely massive mothership.
We're going to have to take a break there. When we come back, we're going to talk more about this with Michael. He also does a lot of work with the black programs and how that whole thing works within our government. We'll talk about that and more with Michael Schreudt when we return to Beyond Contact on the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast AM Paranormal podcast network.
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We are back on Beyond Contact. I'm Captain Ron, and we're discussing the possibility of these UFO craft being real and being of alien origin. That's very compelling as well.
Oh yeah, there was a design behind it. It has canards up front. It has a pilot, copilot and launch control officer, and that's the liaison between the mothership and the parasitic aircraft. It's got sixteen foot tall winglets at the end of the delta wings. It's got very similar air intake to the XB seventy. It's got six pack YJ ninety three engines in the back because I've got witnesses.
I spoke to three people personally who have seen this with their own eyes, and what they describe is on the bottom of the mother ship, it looks like someone took an ice cream scooper and just started scooping out the entire bottom of the aircraft, leaving this cavity, this empty cavity. So at Area fifty one, you'd have this parasitic aircraft that tucks up inside this cavity. And let's say that there's something going on in the Middle East, so you'd have one of our top pilots get into
the parasitic aircraft. They'd take off from Area fifty one. They'd fly over Alaska, they make a left hand turn. Now they're heading toward the Soviet Union, and then they would drop from the mothership at maybe thirty thousand feet at Mock one point two, and then they'd pour the coals to this thing I'm talking about Mocked twelve, and they'd be screaming over the Soviet Union to make a
left hand turn. Now they're going south toward the Middle East, and this could be a nuclear radiation proliferation monitoring craft. They make a left hand turn now they're heading toward Hawaii. They make about a forty five degree turn back to Hawaii and all done in less than two hours. This is called the black Star system. This is a real program. It did not work as well as they liked it too, so they shelved it and somewhere out there I can't tell you where, probably at Area fifty one, there is
this massive mothership and this parasitic aircraft. It's still out there.
It sounds like an airship carrier. Is pretty for one aircraft, Yes, yeah, I call it that. Yeah, pretty amazing. And it just shows you if we're able to build something like that, you would think would be able to have a lot more than people are aware of.
Oh, there's no doubt. At the very minimum, there are six man classified programs still left over from the Reagan administration that has not even seen the light of day. They are in dark storage. They are deep storage right now, dead storage, probably at the test site. They probably have some things at Edwards North based complex underground. We're not going to see them. We may never see them. That's the tragedy.
Well, I have heard this. You're the guy to ask this question and maybe you'll you'll dispel this for me. I had heard at one point that by the time we see a craft, it's obsolete. So like when we saw the stealth bomber and we thought, oh wow, they've already had that for twenty years and it's obsolete to them, so they don't mind showing us.
I would agree with that, because what we're dealing with here are three tiers of technology. Tier one is your common, ordinary, garden variety, vanilla flavored aircraft, like your F fifteen's, your F sixteen's, and your F fourteen's, which are retired. That's that's tier number one.
It wouldn't be a black budget program, it would be correct.
Yeah, these are things that you'd see at your local air show. That's tier number one. Now Tier number two is the previously black programs that have been declassified and put into the white world. These are your F one seventeen stealth Fighters, your B two stealth bombers, Boeing Fantomworks, Bird of Prey, all in the museum now, I mean, you can go see these things.
They're there.
So these are previously black programs that went into the white world. Now that's tier two. Tier three are the craft that bypass the accepted laws of physics. They don't have anything to do with Newtonian physics. So we have to start throwing out Newtonian physics and start thinking more along the lines of another type of physics, quantum physics, things that almost defy reality.
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These are your Black triangles, Belgium triangles. These are your Hudson Valley boomerangs, these are your Southern Illinois triangle January fifty two thousand. All the other craft that have been reverse engineered from recovered technology that falls into the category, those are the things that I like to focus on. It's the level three, the Tier three aircraft.
Well, if you think a lot of these crash retrievals from UFOs have been captured by us, do you think many of these that you're referring to now this tier could be backward engineered from off world craft.
Absolutely, And not only that is because you know, this story is a lot more sinister than I like to go down. I'm really about the hardware. I don't really focus in all the inner workings of political aspects and dealing with people in government and everything and the sinister intelligence community. I mean, it's all part of this big story.
But it's very clear at this point that what has been going on is that there's a roague group within the military industrial complex slash intelligence community that are targeting, tracking, and shooting these vehicles down to exploit two things. Number one, their free energy propulsion systems.
That's one.
Number two is their weapons advanced technology. And they will stop at nothing to get those two things figured out. At nothing, So they're piggybacking on pre existing radar systems, using scaler weapons directed energy weapons to target, track, and shoot these things down.
So you're not saying these are necessarily crashes, they are in fact being shut down.
This is purposely done. Yes, purposely done.
Let's talk about the ones that are crashing. You know, the skeptics will say, how come they can make it all the way across light years of space and then they get here and they crash in roswell because it's raining outside.
There's no way you're going to have an advanced civilization that might be one hundred million light years away and they're going to come through gravity wells. They're going to come through quirks, they're going to come through quasars, they're going to come from different black holes and then they finally get here and crash. It absolutely doesn't make sense whatsoever.
I think the numbers are showing that a vast majority of these things are actually shut down a little bit harder to prove, but I think we could have some of those instances as well, where they're hand me downs.
You know what's interesting is we often hear about sightings, and we often hear about crashes, even crash retrievals, but I don't I call hearing hardly at all about eyewitness accounts of a UFO being shot down. You would think that would be pretty dramatic and people would see it.
These things can materialize and de materialize at will, and the second they de materialize into this dimension, they're already hit with one of these directed energy weapons, so it's instantaneous. You look at all the witnesses within Night Siege that was written, all of them describe nighttime sightings like ninety nine percent of them and above. So why weren't they seen during the day? Because someone is flying these things at night for a certain agenda.
Your other book, you talked about different ways people could tell the difference between a man made UFO and a non man made UFO, and what are those.
Tested on Thursday nights? So that's number one. Why Thursday, because Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday is pre flight, Thursday is the test flight, Friday's debrief, Saturday Sunday. There's nobody at the base now that held up between the early nineteen eighties up till around nineteen ninety five time frame. After that, they test these things on Saturdays, and they test these things on holidays. If you see tubes, pipes and cylinders,
that could be one of ours. If you see socket head capscrews, if you see weld marks, if you see the falling leaf phenomenon, it could be one of ours. Because a lot of these times, when you have a man made craft and it's in a localized gravity field, they need time to spool up and get stabilized first. Until that happens, you've got this falling leaf phenomenon. If you hear a high pitched drilling noise prior to takeoff or on approach to landing, it could be one of ours.
If you see lights flashing in sequence, like reds go off, yellows go off, greens go off in sequenced and then in a repeating pattern, it's most likely one of ours, and even nobody less than Stanton Friedman. He talked about quote, wings on an extraterrestrial spacecraft could only be for decoration. So if you see a flying wing out there, why do you need wings in a vacuum? It doesn't make any sense. So even Stanton Freeman knew that we're dealing with a man made technology here.
Thank you, brother. That was really good stuff.
Man, great, great to be with you.
I really appreciate all the hard research you do. I think you're a very valuable member of our community and we really really appreciate your work. You guys should go to Michael's YouTube page and check out all of his videos. He's got a lot of in detail accounts of different historic crash retrieval cases and it's fascinating. Thank you for listening to Beyond Contact. We'll be back next week with an all new episode. You can follow me Captain Ron
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