Episode 24: Captain Ron and Producer Bri!

by Brianna, who is the brains behind this operation. She's the producer of Beyond Contact she's been in this community for quite some time now, and she's had her own podcast, and she not only produces the Beyond Contact podcast, but she's also our producer for the Contact in the Desert conference, so she certainly stays busy and we work hand in hand all the time. So let's welcome Bree.

the other possibilities. And so I think a lot of the things that we'll talk about today you may not think could be alien in nature, but it absolutely has those same attributes.

very nice scary Halloween feel to them. And those four UFO cases are the Flatwood Monster's case, the Mothman case, the Grinning Man case, and the Kelly Hopkinsville Goblin encounter. So there's even a goblin in here. Bre you very

well done, how great for Halloween. So first off, this Flatwood Monster case, this is very well known case in the community, of course, and it just happens to take place in the very same year of the famous UFO flyover in Washington, d C. This case started in the evening of September twelfth, nineteen fifty two, in West Virginia, when two brothers Ed and Fred May and their friend Tommy Hier saw a bright object in the sky and

it didn't follow a direct trajectory to the ground. Instead of it like going straight right to left down into the ground, it paused and lowered as if it was landing, And this got the boys attention, so they ran home and they told their mother, Kathleen, and she gathered several people, including a US guardsman, to come with them to go check out the site. So they all went out there and as they approached it, they noticed this metallic object that looked like a saucer, and it was resting in

a field. It was described as being over ten feet in diameter and giving off a greenish light. The group ran up the top of this hill to get a better perspective where they saw pulsating red light. They aimed the flashlight the direction of that, and they momentarily saw this tall, manlike figure with a round red face and glowing eyes. The eyes admitted a green orange light, and it was surrounded by a pointed hoodlike shape like that of an ace of spades is how they described it.

The figure it appeared to be wearing a dark metallic suit and had long, spinly arms and claw like hands, another thing we hear oftentimes. The witnesses described this creature as being around ten to twelve feet tall and emitting a hissing sound. They said it turned left and right as if it was scanning the area, and it seemed

very mechanical to them. The figure then glided towards the group they screened, and the guy with the flashlight dropped it, causing him all the run away, and they all said that they had smelt a pungent mist, and later many of them felt nauseated, they think from this mist. Local sheriff and deputy had been investigating reports of a crashed aircraft in the area. They searched the site of the

reported monster, but they did not see anything. However, the next day Lee Stewart, Junior of the Braxton Democratic paper, claimed to have discovered skid marks in the field and an odd gummy deposit, which later they subsequently attributed to

the UFO saucer landing. The case of the Flatwood Monster became a sensation in the media, various theories and explanations being put forward to explain this strange encounter, saying that the bright light in the sky reported by the witnesses was most likely just a meteor, and that the pulsating red light was likely an aircraft navigation system or a hazard beacon, and that the creature itself, the way it was described by witnesses closely resembled that of an owl.

This was a big story at the time and became a national story, which was rated number eleven for that year in nineteen fifty two. The story attracted media attention that led to investigators by local and national UFO enthusiasts, including a visit from the US Air Force under Project Blue Book, which also unquote investigated the sighting, but they concluded it was most likely just a meteor and a

misidentification of local wildlife or possibly weather phenomenon. So of note, it is interesting that the reporters say that each of the people that witness this told the exact same story, and they all stuck to this story later in life. There's documentaries out there now with these guys, and it's fifty years later and they still recount and stick to that exact same story. Remember, this was the first well publicized case that involved seeing an actual, let's call it

alien being. Benny and Barney Hill doesn't happen for another ten years, so there's really nothing in the legitimate history to go on. It's not like this was out there in the nomenclature. We didn't say alien. It wasn't really out there. And to this day, it's a very unique case. I don't even recall, bree to you, any cases of being that look like that. It's kind of like half mechanical, half biological, right, it's a weird thing, and.

a giant ball of fire on a hill. Thinking nothing of this, assuming it was just a farmer burning something in the field, they glanced back and then she realized that that ball of fire had turned into a dark silhouette of an eerily tall man emerging right from that spot where the flames were. The day after the flat Woods incident, on the thirteenth, a young couple was driving en Route twenty just south of flat Woods when their

car broke down. Their name was George and Edith Snikowski, and they were with their eighteen month old son, and they were desperate to get back on the road because it was getting dark and they smelled sulfur and saw a bright light filled the sky, and their car suddenly died. When they looked up, they saw a ten foot what they called monster hovering right in front of them. It had clawed hands and a reptilian looking head. This creature

touched their car before running off into the woods. The vehicle suddenly started right back up again, actually bre Over that twenty four hour period, over one hundred reports of flying objects and crashes called in in that exact area. So what I do find interesting in these stories are the elements that have become staples in first person accounts

of supposed aliens, like the car dying. We now think of that as standard operating procedure in an incident like this, the car dying, But in nineteen fifty two it was completely unknown. So I find that credible that, you know, later people are recounting the same thing happening in their instances. You know. Also there's the large glowing eyes, the spinly arms, So there are a lot of elements that do make this case very interesting, if not credible.

sort of resembled the exposure to mustard gas. So I thought that was very interesting. This seems to be sort of the first instances where we have actual craft and beings stepping foot on our soil.

I am Captain Ron. We're talking with producer Bree today and Brie we're talking about these UFO cases that have monsters in them, like the Flatwood Monster now let's talk about this Mothman case from nineteen sixty six.

around a thirteen month period in Point Pleasant. We have November fifteenth being the first national publicized case, but there were many reports before that, starting of the first of

November in nineteen sixty six. One thing that makes this a hot spot, I believe, was a huge area about eight thousand acres or so of an old manufacturing plant that was abandoned right after World War Two, and instead of giving that land back to the state, instead they made it a dumping ground for chemicals and other toxic waste. So this area became very popular and it was known

as the TNT area. Just as early as November first, we have a National guardsman who reports this figure in a tree, and then less than two weeks later, we have about five men that also sees the humanoid figure. And when I find really interesting and I think this is going to be a word. We hear a lot in this episode is gliding. These accounts with either a being or the craft, they seem to glide almost float.

Kenneth Duncan, who was the main person that came out about this story, he said, quote, it was gliding through the trees and in my sight for about a minute, but it didn't look like any bird. It was a man, a man with wings. Another very interesting story, more on the UFO side, is the story of Merl Partridge. You can listen to this this on audio recording and that makes it a little bit more real. He's a farm owner.

He said. It was about ten thirty at night and the TV started winding winding up like it was a high pitched generator. So imagine just hanging out, you know, trying to unwind from the day, and you're watching TV and all of a sudden, your TV just makes this ridiculously loud electrical sound. It was so loud. He describes the TV as screaming that exact same time. His dog banned it. Who was on the front porch. He just starts going crazy. He's barking. The whole situation seems like

it's chaos. In that one minute, he jumps up to try to turn the TV down from making this ridiculously loud noise, and before he could even make it to the TV, it shatters, just glass everywhere, all over the middle of his floor. So he's freaked out, just immediately runs out of the house, and at that exact same time, his dog banned it also books it. He runs down to the field. There was nothing down in that field

except for a really small pumphouse. So he's calling for the dog, trying to find the dog, and he said, when I look down there, all I seen were red lights going around intermittent. So he's looking down, he's seeing these strange red lights going around, his dog is barking. He's calling his dog. He said, the first thing he thought was that it could have been a helicopter, but there was zero sound. All he could see were those

red lights going around. He stayed out there for almost thirty minutes trying to call the dog back, and he wouldn't, and at that point he just went inside to help his wife clean up. They went to bed. He didn't think anything of it. Their dog banned it, never came home, he was never seen again. I find that pretty sad.

But the similarities with the high pitched sound that we also hear about in some cases where it's a little bit more paranormal, there's some type of electrical interference going on, and I can't even imagine the type of pulse it would take for your TV screen to shatter, just to blow out.

which so happens to be my birthday. This is a pretty famous encounter of two couples, Steven Mary Mallett and Roger and Linda Scarberry. They're out the TNT area. They're racing their cars, you know, partying around and As they pass the North power Plant, they notice a man just standing in the middle of the road, and as they got closer, they noticed that this man was at least seven feet tall and his skin was light gray in color. All of a sudden, these wings come out from behind

his back and the thing starts chasing them. These people are freaked out. They jump on Route sixties too. They're headed to the sheriff's office, and as they're driving around, they look out of their window and notice that this being is chasing them still, and he stays hovered over the car the entire time, and they're reaching speeds about one hundred miles an hour. I think he goes up to one hundred and five. They take a sharp left turn and they come across the being again and he's

standing on a billboard. So they're kind of shocked, like, how is this thing right behind us? We take a sharp left turn, and all of a sudden he's in front of us, and he's just standing on top of the billboard. They didn't notice.

It was pretty much like a mass hysteria in the town. People started, you know, arming up with their firearms you can imagine, like grab your pitchforks, and there were so many people out there that they ended up deploying the National Guard to control crowds of people that were all headed into this TNT area to try to chase down this terrorizing creature. And it was reported that at one time there were literally miles of cars just trying to get into the TNT area. This was something the town

took very seriously. Though this isn't the first encounter of a light gray skinned being. There was another woman who was right outside her sister's house and saw a UFO appear in the sky and it was heading straight towards the house. She turns around and sees a being right in front of her, and she kind of gets choked up, like she freezes her flight or flight is kicking in and she falls. She gets only a foot away from this being. It was also, like I said, light gray

and skin. It was at least seven feet tall. She gets up, she makes it right before the door slam shut. The whole family claims that the being was trying to get into the house, going on the windows, trying to scrape at the door. This poor lady Marcella, she kind of goes in an out of consciousness because the whole thing was quite an ordeal. She claims still to this day that she knew the being was not from here. That's all she could feel. What's interesting is Virginia Thomas,

who was Marcella's sister. She was at church that night, so she missed the instance. She claims to get visions from time to time, and she did tell reporters before this that she had a vision that very same day and told them quote, a creature would appear frighten people but not harm them.

trying to communicate with them. And so all of these sightings start happening, I mean major UFO sidings. The newspaper had to open up a special office just for the people that were calling in about their UFO sidings.

omen or maybe it was trying to warn people. It was always in the TNT area, so a part of me was thinking, maybe it was trying to keep people away from the toxic waste plant. Maybe it was emitting this sad feeling and trying to communicate to warn them about what was to come.

But it then cut in front of his vehicle, traveling sideways. This object lands right in front of him. It is a straight up UFO. It is dark gray in color, thirty to forty feet long. It's like an oval shape, but it has a flat bottom. He said it looked a little bit like a kerosene lamp. This object lowers to the ground and a hatchl like door opens up, and this man walks out of the craft. And as soon as he walks out of the craft, the craft starts to go back up again. About seventy five feet

in the air, just hovering there. This man is six feet tall. He looked maybe thirty five to forty years old. He had slicked back hair, a top hat. He was in a buttoned up suit that was a shiny navy material. And he starts talking to Woodrow, but not verbally. He starts communicating telepathically, and he refers to himself as Indred Cold,

and that he is a seeker. He telepathically tells Woodrow that he's not there to hurt him, he has no reason to fear him, and oddly he ends this encounter telling Woodrow that he will see him again that same exact day, on November two in Galipos, Ohio. It's right next to point Pleasant. We have another woman who sees this bright flash in the sky right above her, and

she describes it as a cylindrical object. It lands in a parking lot and Indred, the exact same looking man that was described by Woodrow, walks out of it, but she doesn't talk to him. She gets a little bit scared and she books it out as I would as well. Coincidentally, the exact same day again, so this is the third sighting on the same day, there were two men who

were driving again on Highway seventy seven. They came across a man just standing there so without the craft, who also told him that he was injured cold, and they said he had a very ominous presence about him. He's just grinning and his smile is comical smile. It's almost so large it's inhuman. It looks like the smile is coming off the side of his face. So I imagine injured Cold almost looking like the Joker, especially the newer Jokers. His slip back hair, this very strange face, this overly

just exaggerated smile where it just looks creepy Woodrow. The first person who encountered the grinning man said he could speak to him teleopathically after that and he would give him messages. I do think it's interesting that this injured Cold was seen by many many people companied with that strange of a foe, and that this was the exact same timeframe as the mothman sightings in West Virginia.

as well. So I find it very interesting how there's so many similarities across these things, even though describe them in such different ways. Now, of course, part of this is from that person's view. Maybe if somebody else saw this same exact thing, they might describe it differently.

mutation gone wrong from some labs somewhere. Who knows. I mean, everybody's got their own different take and what they think it is. But also in that moment, all of these cases we're discussing today, people are arguably in a state of panic. I mean, you're coming up on this hill and this thing moves towards you. You're not thinking clearly, you're just like, oh my god, the hell is that thing? You don't really know what you're looking at. Nobody identifies

these things. If it was an owl, they would go, oh, it looks like an owl, or whatever that case may be. But these are things that people have never experienced. That's why they don't even have the words for it.

at all. It's just the overwhelming sense of fear because we don't understand what we're seeing that we interpret it to be a threat.

classic UFO cases. We have one more today called the Kelly Hopkinsville Goblin Encounter, which is a fascinating and bizarre event that took place back on August twenty first, nineteen fifty five, in a rural area right where the town of Kelly and Hopkinsville, Kentucky are. According to the witnesses, the encounter began when one member of the Sutton family went out of the farmhouse and they were outside and they saw a meteor or bright light go across the

sky that seemed to land in a nearby field. Instead of crashing down like a meteor wood, it seemed to sort of land again, kind of like the Flatwood's case. Some strange noises outside their farmhouse, and so they went

outside to investigate. Walking around, they found these two to four foot tall what they called at the time goblin like creatures, again not knowing what to describe these things, as the creatures were described as having large round heads, long thin limbs, oversized bug eyes, pointed ears, long arms,

and claw like hands. They seemed silver and moved in a bizarre floating manner, again the local motion that we talked about, and also they emitted another strange, high pitched hissing sound like we've heard in at least two of the other cases today. As the creatures approached the farmhouse, the Suttons in Their friends armed themselves with firearms, believing that their lives were in danger, so in this case, they did feel like these creatures were coming at them.

They reported that the creatures attempted to enter the house through the windows, and that they would peer in and then disappear when they approached them. A series of frantic moments unfolded, and the group fired shots at the beings, claiming that the bullets seemed to have no effect. They described the creatures as appearing to be impervious to their gunfire, as they would simply roll away from it. They did a somersault move and went away from the bullets, which

only seemed to make the people more scared. Later that night, five adults and seven children went to the Hopkinsville police station claiming that small possible alien creatures from spaceship were attacking them at their farmhouse and that they'd been holding them off with gunfire for three to four hours. Concerned about the gunfire, four different police officials, five state troopers, three deputy sheriffs, and even four military police officers all

came down to the Sutton farmhouse. Their search yielded nothing other than the evidence of gunfire and holes in the window and the door, and the screens made from their gunfire. This was a Christian household, and there was no alcohol consumed by any of the witnesses. The family story received widespread coverage in local and then national press. Early articles didn't refer to them as little green men, but later newspapers started calling them little green men as per usual.

Uphologists regarded as one of the most significant and well documented cases in history. Skeptics maintained that there was no real physical evidence for the encounter, and that the reports were due to the effects of them being over excited and misidentifying. Great horned owls, which are also nocturnal, fly silently yellow eyes, and they aggressively defend their nests. And they also say that the meteor sightings occurred on that same night, so that would have been the light in

the sky that he saw. Project Bluebook also quote unquote in investigated this case, calling it simply a hoax. I find this a very interesting case as well. I like that they called them goblins. It's nineteen fifty five. They really have no idea what they're dealing with. I still have no idea what they were dealing with. What could possibly have happened to these people. I have no idea.

I do find it interesting to hear elements again in their story that we hear time and time again in stories of the Grays again, the long, spiny arms, the big glowing eyes, the silver suit. The same themes are heard over and over. I find it very difficult to believe that this was a hoax. There are a lot of witnesses here who all seem to have stuck to their same story. The fact that there were seven children there, some of them were very small. This was a family

in the early fifties. I can't even imagine they would fire guns inside their house and drive their kids to the station at midnight for a joke. It seems unlikely to me. If it was a hoax, it would have been a couple of the guys outside or something. But there's gunfire throughout their home inside, and in this case, I find it very unlikely that the family misidentified horned owls. They live in the middle of nowhere. Surely they would have seen owls before, and the gunfire, I would think,

would scare off anything like an owl. They wouldn't keep coming back for three or four hours NonStop. I have no idea what scared these poor people, but I do not like the canned explanation that it was a meteor and then they saw owls. That seems even harder to believe. What do you think, Brie?

an owl is going to stick around for that. There's just no way in hell. And these are countryfolk. They know what an owl looks like, they know their surroundings, they know, you know, the animals and the birds in that area. There's no way all of a sudden they would be freaked out by a bunch of owls. I also thought it's pretty interesting that one of them said that when he shot at one of these beings, it didn't fall like you would assume, it floated down, almost

like it was gliding. So again we have that strange movement between these creatures.

like to go back to the original report. There are cases that years later they called it a UFO, that he said he saw ufo outside, But when you go back you read his statement he said he saw a meteor or a shooting star. He never said UFO or spacecraft. So these things get added. So I don't like how these stories all get colored over the years as they get more famous and get more written about, because everyone else has to add their own thing. But that's what

happens in this community. We're going to have to stop there for the debris. Thank you for coming on, thank you for joining me, and good luck editing this piece.