Episode 201: WHY Was Devil’s Tower picked for Close Encounters?

Of course, it is Stephen Spielberg's nineteen seventy seven masterpiece starring Richard Dreyfuss, Melinda Dylan, Terry Garr and I doubt that anybody listening to this show does not like Close Encounters of the third kind, and you know, it's a great movie on any screen. But one year, Lauren and I got to actually go watch it. It was an anniversary year, and they played it again in the theaters on the big screen, and it was just spectacular. One of the most amazing movies I've ever watched on a

big screen. And of course in this movie, you have all of these characters that have had they're having close encounters, they're having these run ins with UFOs, and it turns out that each one of them starts becoming sort of obsessed with this image of what turns out to be a rock formation. They don't know what it is at first, they just know that after they've had this encounter, they're

drawn to this image. And there's this memorable scene where Richard Dreyfus he's obsessing about this, and he's sitting at dinner and his family is arguing and he's frustrated, and at one point he has a plate of mashed potatoes and he just starts playing with the mashed potatoes and taking his fork and sort of stroking the fork up and down until he creates this mound of mashed potatoes that ends up looking like this rock formation that all

these characters are later drawn to, and that rock formation is called Devil's Tower. And Devil's Tower is actually what is known as a butte, and a butte is defined as an isolated hill with steep, often vertical sides and a small, relatively flat top. This particular butte, Devil's Tower, is composed of igneous rock, and it is in the Bare Large Ranger district of the Black Hills in northeastern Wyoming.

And this thing is it's pretty darn big. Let's see the It looks just like a stone cup turned upside down, jutting out of the landscape. It's a striking thing, and it becomes the iconic pivotal image of the film because this is where everybody goes, and it becomes all these characters go there, and it becomes the landing spot for the mass close encounter that happens. And so Devil's Tower, it's let's see, eight hundred and sixty seven feet from its base to the summit, and it's five thousand, one

hundred and twelve feet above sea level. So okay, if we look at the height from the top to the bottom eight hundred se sixty seven feet is two hundred and sixty four meters, so that's almost three times taller than the Statue of Liberty and almost as tall as the Eiffel Tower, if my math is correct here. And one thing that's especially notable about Devil's Tower is that it was the very first United States national monument, established on September twenty fourth of nineteen o six by President

Theodore Roosevelt. Okay, Teddy Roosevelt. You know, he was big into preserving the land. By the way, September twenty fourth, my wife Lauren's birthday. I'd never realized that before. That's an interesting connection. And when you see this amazing looking structure, there is something enchanting about it. And there is a YouTube channel that I love to watch. It's called Jacob

the Carpetbagger. And this guy he's I guess he's probably in his forties, I would imagine, and he he just gets in his car and drives all over the United States exploring and doing you know, like one hour videos about roadside attractions and carnivals and fairs and just anything that's kind of unusual. I was recently watching his channel and he camped at this Koa campground at the foot

of Devil's Tower. And that's what got me thinking more about the you know, why that Spielberg decided to use it, and what the story was behind this thing. And in fact, it's kind of funny because when you camp there, it turns out in this Koa campground, of course, they have a variety of cabins and different kinds of campsites, even some teepees, but every evening everybody convenes in this common area where they have a big screen and they all

watch Close Encounters together. They play the movie every night in this park. So that shows you the impact that the movie has made on the tower and vice versa. And in fact, so if you haven't seen this, I highly recommend go just get online and type in Jacob the Carpetbagger and Devil's Tower. I think Jacob currently lives in western North Carolina as a matter of fact, but always good content from him. So here is sort of the old Native American story behind what we call Devil's Tower.

Now and again this is igneous. So apparently this was a volcanic structure that partially eroded over time and basically it looks like that this mound has all of these vertical ridges going up and down it, all all sides, and there is a geologic explanation for white looks that way. The striations have sort of eroded off in that pattern.

But according to the Native American lore that goes back to who knows, when there was an incident where a bunch of Native Americans we're being attacked by this gigantic bear named Mato m Ato, and they were, and then we're talking about a bear that's the size of Godzilla, and so right when they are about to be gobbled up, the great Spirit decides to lift the earth up underneath them onto this pedestal so that Mato cannot get to them.

And so this giant bear is doing his best clawing up and down the sides of this butte to try to capture them. And that's where you get all these ridges. They say those are the giant claw marks of the attacking bear. And in fact, for that reason, it's often called bear lodge or something similar to that, bear lodge, bear bear teepee. So this was a sacred place because they were saved by this bear or from this bear. And it turns out that if you want to learn

about why it is actually called Devil's Tower. Oh yeah, you know what, Before I get to that, if you look at some of the depictions of Mato the bear, one thing that's kind of weird is that Mato the bear is shown as having a tail. And when Lauren saw that, she said, why why would they put a tail on a bear? Bears don't have a big long it's kind of like a big long bushy tail. You know. Bears may have a little, but not like a big

long bushy tail. I said, I don't know. So I looked into it, and apparently there's this Native American story about how that bears used to have a big, long, bushy tail and they were very proud of it, and it annoyed all the other animals at the forest. The bears were so prideful, And one day a bear walked up to an otter and saw that the otter had this big, nice, impressive pile of fish, and so the

bear said, how do you get those fish? And so, instead of telling the bear that we would drive down he would dive down into the water and catch fish. The otter decided to trick the bear, and he said, oh, I just put my tail in this ice hole here, okay, because there was like a frozen leg, there's a hole in the ice. He says, I put my tail in this hole, and I wiggled around once in a while so the fish see it. And when a fish bites onto my tail, I just pull it up and out

of the water. It's an easy way to catch fish. And so the bear said, well, do you mind if I use your your fishing hole, and the otter said, oh no, go right ahead, And so the bear sticks his tail in there and starts storing this. But then the sun started to set and the water froze over and it froze up the bear's tail, and the bear could not move and he freaked out and he pulled at his tail. It was stuck so tight. Finally he just pulled with all of his strengthen ripped off his tail.

And after that the bear bear has never had a tail again somehow. But look, we're out of time for this segment. When we come back, I'm gonna explain why this was called finally Devil's Tower, what that means, and then why it was chosen by Steven Spielberg for close Encounters of the Third Time. If you like this show and you like the kind of stuff that I talk about, Hey, it's a free show, so please support it. Go to joshuap Warren dot com and do two things. First, sign

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hit up both of those sites. And when it comes to this name Devil's Tower, of course, I told you about the history of the connection with the bear And according to the National Park Service website, the first use of the name Devil's Tower was by then Lieutenant Colonel Richard Dodge in eighteen seventy five. He commanded the military

escort for a scientific expedition into the Black Hills. Keeping a journal during this expedition, Dodge wrote that quote, the Indians called this place bad God's Tower, end quote, a name adopted with proper modification, and so the label Devil's Tower was created. Okay, so he's saying they called it Bad God's Tower. To him, that meant devil, so he

called it Devil's Tower. But there's no records that indicate the Native Americans associated to place with bad gods or evil spirits, and so it is suspected that a bad translation led the men to confuse the words for bear and bad god. Others feel Dodge deliberately changed the name

of an important indigenous site. So we just don't know, but it's I think it's certainly possible that, I mean, if the word bear and bad sounded close enough and there were mistranslations, it makes sense that, you know, that could be the case. So that's sort of the gist of the story of the butte itself called what we now call Devil's Tower. Obviously an impressive enough place to be considered America's first or to be designated as America's

first National monument by President Teddy Roosevelt. So how did this end up in the movie. Well, apparently from what I can find here. Stephen Spielberg, of course, he wrote Close Encounters of the third kind, and in his script, he knew that he wanted some kind of a mountain like structure, but he just didn't know exactly what it

would be. He wasn't sure what would be striking enough, and so he sent a location scout out to look at least one and this location scout who was in that area, he was apparently by himself, and he said that he was I've got some quotes written down here by him. He said that he was driving through this kind of grassy wilderness area and then he emerged in whoa there it was, and he said, the shock of it.

It looks like something manufactured. We just liked the shape of it, and then we found out it has this great spiritual value. The solitude is amazing. Images don't do it justice. So he said that, you know, he got Spielberg to go out there, and Spielberg was like, yep, this is it. It was literally just based upon the

power of seeing this thing. So that obviously, if you're into this sort of thing, that gives you inspiration to want to make the trip and go see Devil's Tower for yourself, especially now that you know that it really was considered a blessed place, I suppose by the Native Americans, and still is to this day. In fact, people are encouraged not to climb up there. I was reading something about this that you might find interesting, how that let's

see here today. Okay, So there are people who want to go there and climb, of course, and it says fear of the tower is sacred to several plains tribes, including the Lakota, Cheyenne, and Kiowa. Because of this, many Native American leaders objected to climbers ascending the mountain, considering this to be a desecration. The climbers argued that they had a right to climb the tower since it is

on federal land. A compromise was eventually reached with a voluntary climbing ban during the month of June, when the tribes are conducting sarah onies around the monument. Climbers are asked, but not required, to stay off the tower in June, and according to a PBS documentary about this, approximately eighty five percent of climbers honor the ban and voluntarily choose not to climb the tower during the month of June. However, several climbers, along with such and such foundations, sued the

Park Service claiming an inappropriate government entanglement with religion. So there is a controversy about the spiritual designation as well as the federal monument designation of Devil's Tower to this day, but there's nothing to indicate that there's anything evil about it, right, despite this very memorable name. Now, when I look at this and I realize, all right, this is a work of fiction, even though there's a lot of truth in

that movie. And we can see that more and more if we look back now at some of the things the movie was based on. But is there something valid about this concept that certain places on Earth may be vortex's for lack of a better word, that do attract UFOs that because that we humans see something like that and we find it so amazing looking, it would make sense that UFOs would do the same thing. They would want to come and check it out, just as tourists.

But perhaps there is an energy around it as well that can be physically tapped into if you're using some kind of exotic alien technology. And this reminds me of

the work that was done by Page Bryant. Page Bryant was a woman who lived in Sedona, Arizona, and I'm going to say back in the probably the late eighties and nineteen nineties, and she was a psychic and she went around to all these different spots in Sedona, Arizona, and said that she believed that they were vortexas, and these are places where funnels of energy are moving into

or out of the earth. And she said that some of them were called magnetic, meaning that they would draw energy in, and some were called electric, meaning that they would send energy out. And she wrote a lot about this, She talked a lot about it on the radio, and she finally moved to western North Carolina and she wrote this book about vortex is there called The Spiritual Reawakening of the Great Smoky Mountains, which is a fascinating book.

And she said that Brown Mountain and the surrounding area, the Lynbal Gorge, were vortexes as well. Brown Mountain is a vortex. Table rock over there as a vortex, Hawk's Bill as a vortex. And she describes whether they are electric or magnetic in her terminology. And one evening I was very fortunate because I got to go to her house.

She invited me and Brian Irish to spend the evening with her and her husband, and she was very kind answering a lot of my questions about this, and she basically said that, you know, she's not a technical person, that she doesn't know if you can go in and measure these things that way with you know, measured the energy flowing in or out with our current technology, but that she just always sensed it and wrote about it

that way. And to this day, if you go to somewhere someplace like Sedona, Arizona, you'll find these maps of these different points you can hike two that are labeled as vortexas and it's a lot of fun to do that. But you know, North Carolina has a lot of these sort of interesting spots. As a matter of fact, one time I was driving east from Asheville with my buddy k Fox. At one point we looked up above the road and said, what the heck is that there was a mountain there that looks a heck of a lot

like Devil's Tower. It's called Pilot Mountain there in North Carolina. And we were so intrigued with Pilot Mountain that on our way back a few days later, we stopped and we drove up the mountain and got out some of the overlooks, and it's another way. This is a bona fide mountain. It's not as narrow as Devil's Tower. But you know, if you're interested in this sort of thing,

check out Pilot's Pilot Mountain in North Carolina. And so it's intriguing to me that you have a lot of people who say there are UFOs around Brown Mountain, a lot of people who say there are UFOs in fact around that area where Pilot Mountain is. I don't know how many people actually report seeing UFOs around Devil's Tower, but I would not be surprised, of course, if it's got such a reputation though that if somebody said, oh, I went there and I saw a UFO, you would think, yeah, right,

they're just using their imagination. We need to get David, We need to get Jason Sarachi out there. I believe to do some research. In fact, a little bit later, I'm gonna I'm up on a break here, but I'll tell you something about Jason Saraci. And furthermore, you know, they don't make movies anymore quite like that, do they. You know, my favorite movie of all time, and this is a tough one, but I have to go with Raiders of the Lost Arc and of course it's also

a Spielberg movie. And when we come back from this break, I want to tell you something kind of interesting about, of all people, Harrison Ford, who of course starred as Indiana Jones. It's another case. It's a movie story, but it applies also, believe it or not to a question that I was recently asked about manifestation tips and transforming

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how just how specific should you be? Should you be so specific that you break it right down to every little grainy detail or can you just put a few words? And this is a very good question, and it comes up a lot, and let me just say it reminds me of I guess an experience that Lauren and I had on Sunday, October fourteenth of two thy eighteen, around

twelve forty five pm. How's that for specific. We were in Hollywood, in California, the real Hollywood, and I believe that this was like the day after I'd done an event there. I'm not one hundred percent sure. I think that that was the time of the trip. Might've even been a wishing machine workshop. I didn't go back and

check the dates. But there was this movie that had just come out, I believe, produced by Steven Spielberg, called First Man, starring Ryan Gosling, and it was about Armstrong's journey to be the first man to walk on the Moon. And I had thought, well, while we were in Hollywood, why don't we go watch it on a big impressive screen, because I imagine these will be some epic shots. And so we went to what they called the TCL Chinese Theater,

that's what they call it now. It was originally Grahman's Chinese Theater, and it was renamed Man's Chinese Theater in nineteen seventy three and then reverted to its original name in two thousand and one, and then in twenty thirteen, a Chinese electronics manufacturer TCL Corporation purchased the naming rights, and so now it's you know, it's the TCL Chinese Theater.

And this it was originally built in nineteen twenty two or opened that year, and it was following the success of Grahman's Egyptian Theater, so they were looking at, you know, these kind of exotic styles. But anyway, look, this place has an amazing history. It's teamed up with Imax. Now, I mean, a lot of the biggest movies ever debuted there, including Star Wars in nineteen seventy seven. There have been a lot of big private events there, three Academy Awards ceremonies.

It just seemed like a really cool place to go and watch this epic film. And so we arrived, oh, I don't know, maybe like an hour before showtime, and we were in the lobby and there weren't very many people around, and there was a bar, so we decided to have a drink before we went in to watch the movie, and since we were the only people at the bar, we started having a pretty interesting conversation with the bartender and she had worked there for a long time,

knowing that it has this reputation. I said to the bartender at some point, well have you ever had any run ins with celebrities here? And she goes, oh, yeah, yeah all the time, and she started telling his stories, and somehow or other, well I probably asked her about like what certain celebrities drink or whatever, and I think she was the one who actually brought up Harrison Ford. Now, Harrison Ford, of course is he's famous for a lot

of reasons. One of them is being very healthy. He's I guess in his eighties now, and you know, he looks like he's just as healthy as ever. I mean he's I think he says all he eats is bland stuff like fish and vegetables, and then he exercises his butt off every day. But I do know, I think I've read that he has a Scotch that he likes occasionally.

But anyway, he was there for some kind of a p and she was serving drinks at this special VIP area for the big celebrities, and so she asked him if he would like a drink, and he kind of grumbles a little bit like, uh, I don't know, and the she's and she says, well, we've got beer and wine, and and he goes, okay, I'll uh, I'll take a glass with just just this much beer in it. And he and he shows with his fingers maybe like, you know, maybe two inches of beer. So I'll have a glass

with this much beer in it. She goes, okay. So she pours him the glass and she hands it to him and she said. He goes, I told you just this much. That's way too much beer. And he's and he's just really gruff and unhappy that she has poured a little too much beer in this glass. I don't know if he was joking or not. You know, it's one of those things like I've always enjoyed his movies so much. I'd never want to meet him because what if I you know, he said something that hit me

the wrong way. But anyhow, the point is, she said to me, you know, rich people are very specific. I've noticed that rich people are very specific and with what they want. And I thought that's an interesting point coming from someone like her, who's around not just rich people, but people who have these giant egos and who also are part of the manifestation business. I mean, what are movies other than a collective manifestation, you know, taking ideas

and turning them into this experience. And so you might look at that and say, well, hey, if people like him are very, very specific, then that's a good thing. But on the other hand, I tend to believe that there needs to be uh, some greater consideration. Let me explain.

In my book Use the Force, a Jedi's Guide to the Law of Attraction, which you can read for free if you go to my website Joshua Pwarren dot com, there's a section and it's called specific but not too specific, and this applies to any kind of technique that you're using to try to manifest something. And let me just read this little portion for you. I have stressed the

importance of being specific in your wishes. However, in some cases you can be so specific that your wish will not come true, most especially when other living beings, particularly people, are involved. Human energy is extremely complex and interfering with another's life path can have unforeseen consequences. You should therefore avoid trying to attract a particular person, for example, as you would like an ideal mate, then wish for or quote your ideal mate. Do not, however, wish for a

certain individual. You may think someone in particular is perfect for you, but you are not omniscient. The universe is always a much better judge of what is suited to you and what will satisfy your needs. It is helpful to think of childhood crushes. Maybe at a certain age you felt someone would be your dream partner, and then ten years later you look back with an experienced eye

to see this person was not right at all for you. Furthermore, being too specific also applies to some inanimate objects as well. If I want an Aston Martin car, I should be able to manifest that. If I want an Aston Martin dB five, that may be slightly more difficult to manifest. But if I want the Aston Martin dB five that Sean Connery actually drove in the movie Goldfinger, this may be such an impossible goal that it is not worth my time to envision. So always think about getting the

most bang for your buck, so to speak. So as you can see, there's not really a hard and fast rule there, but you just have to consider that the less specific you are, the more likely you are to get what you want in some cases. And then the more specific you are, the more likely you are in some cases. But I think that's something that you just have to take on a case per case basis and figure out with practice and experience and trial and error.

But I don't know how helpful that was, but it certainly made me think of it when I got that question. But you know, getting back to the movie thing that we're talking about in general. You know, at my house, we've recently been watching a lot of the old three D movies you can get them on DVD where they have the red and blue and a glyph I believe they're called, and you wear the red and blue glasses.

And we have like, you know, Creature from the Black Lagoon and Jaws and you know, all this kind of stuff that you can that you can watch in three D, and it's it's kind of like being back in that I you know, I didn't live in the nineteen fifties, but it's similar to that feeling. I guess a lot of these movies that you we would consider schlock and uh, I started thinking about that word shlock. Where does that?

like the stuff that I like. DVD Rparty dot com and they provide just tons of these older three D movies like that, including some stuff that you know, well, some stuff that is well, let me just put it this way. There's a lot of schlock, okay, but I miss the days when people made movies like that. Not everything needs to have some serious social agenda. Well, when we come back, I want to tell you something about what's happening with TV right now, including something that happened

with Jason Saraci. And also I have a little bit of well sad news. I'm Joshua P. Warren, and you're listening to strange things on the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast AM Paranormal podcast network, and I will be right back.

sit down. He was on this show called Alien Encounters Fact or Fiction, hosted by Mitch Horowitz and Chrissy Newton, and basically those two are sitting in a bar in Roswell, New Mexico, and throughout the show people come in who believe they have evidence of UFOs or aliens and they share the evidence and then Chrissy and Mitch evaluate it and say whether or not they think it's it's or if there's a more basic explanation than jumping to a

UFO or extraterrestrial conclusion. And Jason went on the show. He drove all the way down to Roswell to present a piece of footage that he shot here near Vegas at night with night vision, showing some type of a strange light with another light that ejects from it. And I think it's very impressive looking. In fact, it reminds me of a piece of footage that I got during broad daylight here in Las Vegas using my high speed camera in which you see some white object that has

a second object that ejects from it. And so I don't want to spoil it for you and tell you what the result was, but Jason did an excellent job. I was very impressed with the way he presented his case, and so it should be on Discovery Plus. If you can access that, just go to do a search for Alien Encounters Factor Fiction. It's a news show just came out recently, and go to episode seven and I think about three quarters of the way through you'll see the

segment with Jason Sarachi. But he did a real good job. Now I told you have a little bit of sad news for you. Those of you who have followed my work for a long time may recall one edition I did of my podcast called Joshua P. Warren Daily. If you've never heard of that, just do a search a Google search for Joshua P. Warren Daily. There's over five

hundred of them, all for free and commercial free. And I posted one it looks like on July twenty eighth of twenty nineteen, called Listen to what Happened When I watched a Giraffe Paint a Picture? And that segment or that show is about Lauren and myself traveling to this lion habitat which is here near Las Vegas, and of course they used to have a lot of big cats here.

Lions and tigers, and when they stopped using those, they retired them all to this refuge, the Lion Habitat, And so now you can go there and it's sort of like a little zoo where you can go and walk around and see these It's pretty pretty wild experience, you know, they have like the MGM lion and all that kind of thing. But for some reason, they also had this giraffe there named Ozzy, and Ozzy was like no other draft I've ever seen. A lot of times drafts seem

kind of aloof this giraffe was different. It seemed to have a presence about it. As weird as that sounds. Ozzy would just stand right there and look at you and they he had just this amazing, amazing spirit, and he was very talented. What his shtick was he would paint pictures, and so people would gather around. They had

a little comedy routine they would do with him. And usually what they would do is have him take different paint brushes and paint one big painting and then they would cut it up in the little pieces and sell it off. And I went to afterward. I was so impressed that I said to the folks who work there, are like, look, I just keep it all intact. I just want to buy the whole thing, and they're like, nobody's ever done that before, said I want to do it.

So sure enough I bought the entire intact picture, and I'm very proud to say that it hangs on the wall of our living room next to a big stuff giraffe. And we just loved I think everybody loved Ozzy because that well, we even talked about how that if we had the means, we would try to buy him and take care of him. He was born in Wichita, Kansas, and let's see, he was let's see, grew to be

seventeen feet tall. Well, anyway, he just recently turned ten years old, and there was very sad news that broke that in the I guess like in the early morning hours, something disturbed him, something scared him. They don't say exactly what it is, but he jumped up out of his sleep and he fell somehow and hurt himself and he died. So for those of you who followed this story, yes it's heartrenching. We actually shed a tear when we found

that Ozzie the Giraffe is with us no more. But now the painting, I suppose is even more precious to have that whole attact painting by this giraffe. And the funny thing is it kind of the painting kind of looks like if you use your imagination, it kind of looks like to me, the head of a giraffe. We'll see if we can get that put up on my

Instagram page for you. The Joshua it's a new Instagram page, so we still only have like maybe a couple hundred followers, so go check it out though, if you're an instagrammer, just put in Joshua P. Warren podcast. We're going to

try to grow this thing and post more pictures. In fact, another weird animal picture that we need to post is something that was recently featured on the Coast to Coast am website, and there was an article written by Tim Banal and it says Bigfoot photographed by game camera and North Carolina question mark, and he writes, a fantastic game camera photo from North Carolina shows a remarkably clear view of what appears to be a mysterious bipedal creature that

some believe could be Bigfoot. The eyebrow raising image reportedly emerged earlier by let's okay, so somebody just posted this on Reddit apparently, and it seems a little bit cloudy where it came from. Some people think it's like a dog man or whatever, but so apparently, from what I can tell, this is just a still image from a game camp at night. So it's black and white, and let me try to describe what this creature looks like. It does look very weird at first. Okay, basically, it

does look by pedal. In other words, it's got two legs. It looks like it's standing on two legs, and it has this oval shaped body, not much of a head, as if it might be hunching over it. You can see what looks like possibly a bit of an arm, and it's covered with this thin layer of dark hair, and the skin that you can see underneath looks rather wrinkly. And I can see why if you caught this thing on a game cam you would kind of be freaking out.

And so I wasn't sure what to make of this, but I do know that you can get some very unusual optical illusions when you take pictures of animals from certain angles, especially at night, when there are all these shadows playing with things. So I sent it out there and got feedback. And you know, I tell you, the number one animal expert that I always have to go to is my wife Lauren, because she is just basically all she does is watch animal videos all the time.

She she's practically a zoologist. I mean, she can name every kind of little weird species of animal. She looked at it and she said, this is an odd angle of the backside of a mangy bear. And to prove it, she put some other pictures that she posted while she sent them to me, and I posted them of mangy bears, and I got to say, it looks a lot like this is probably a Mainngi bear to me. But I would like for you to look and make your own

your own decisions. So what we're going to try to do here again on the Instagram page is we'll put a still of this thing as well as some of the pictures that she dug up of a mangie bear, and you can decide for yourself. I actually have another funny story to share with you about imagery and optical ILLUSI, but apparently the clock has goddess, so that'll have to wait till next time. So now, my friends, I hope you've enjoyed the show, it is time for us all

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