Episode 149: ZOMBIES!!! Scary or Silly?

that I have never really been into zombies. I have known people who are absolutely terrified of them, but to me, the concept of zombies has always just seemed kind of silly, scary looking, yes, no doubt, but still just a little too far fetched for me to take seriously. I just was not all that interested, and so I don't think

I have ever done a podcast featuring zombies. And when I realized that a few days ago, I decided that if I could dig into zombies and find a way to make them an interesting topic for me, well, then hopefully it would do the same for you. Now, don't get me wrong, I have read all about them throughout my life, and even before doing research for this show. I mean, I knew more about zombies than the average person. I'm pretty sure we've all seen at least one movie

or TV show featuring a kind of zombie. But the meaning of the word zombie has changed dramatically over the years. As I will explain, zombies were once considered helpless, soulless slaves. A person who became a victim who had been zombiefied, sometimes even as a punishment. There was absolutely nothing to fear from a zombie. That was the point. They were helpless, and now most people think of zombies as attackers, as humans that have transformed into some kind of flesh eating monsters.

So it's almost a complete one eighty really, and that's a weird twist and actually kind of unexplained. I'm going to get into that. But when it comes to movies, the very first feature length zombie film was White Zombie, released in nineteen thirty two starring Bela Legosi. It has been a long time since I saw that movie. I don't remember a lot about it, but it's about a young woman's transformation into a zombie at the hands of an evil voodoo master, and of course be La Legosi

stars as the zombie master. So that is a good example for you of the zombie being a person who's been victimized and turned into this helpless thing. However, all that kind of changed in nineteen sixty eight when George A. Romero's movie called Knight of the Living Dead came out. In that case, and this is kind of interesting, I'll dig more into that movie later, they were never called

zombies in that movie. They were called goules apparently, But later the beings in that movie were being described as zombies, and that was when they were attacking people and eating them, and that just sort of completely shifted this whole idea of zombies from being this sort of passive type of being into this very aggressive, scary thing that's coming in to invade and kill you. Odd how all that happened. So you know how the creatures in contemporary zombie films

came to be called zombies, It's not fully clear. And you know, Romero used the term ghoul in his original scripts, and it seems like that later on some of the media started using the word zombie, and then of course he picked it up, and then he started using it as well. But anyway, all that said, I was thinking about how I was going to approach this topic, because there are some really interesting, realistic aspects of zombie lore that I find most intriguing. I actually bought this book.

It's over three hundred pages and it's called Everything You Ever Wanted to Know About Zombies, and I guess it's written by the top zombie scholar. His name is Matt Mock. I guess I'd say he pronounced his last name m og K, with a foreword by Max Brooks. Do you know who Max Brooks is Max Brooks is one of the top experts on zombies and zombie lore. And he, oddly enough, is the son of filmmaker Mel Brooks, who of course has known for his comedy classics like Young

Frankenstein and Blazing Saddles. And his mother was Anne Bancroft, and she's no longer with us, but she was a very popular actress. So their son, the son of Mel Brooks and Anne Bancroft, is Matt Brooks, and he writes all this stuff about zombies. Let's see here, he wrote World War Z and Oral History of the Zombie War. That's just kind of one of those funny, weird things that some people don't know about. So I have this book here that just really is kind of like the

Bible on the history of zombies. I'll refer some to that a little bit later, but first off, let's just get down to some basic definitions. According to Wikipedia, a zombie is a mythological undead corporeal revenant. Let me let me pause there for a second. Okay, well, I think we all know what undead means. Corporeal means you actually have a physical body, So we're not talking about some phantasm like casper here, and a revenant is an animated corpse.

The word revenant is derived from the old French word mean that means returning. Right, So that said, we're talking about an undead, corporeal revenant created through the reanimation of a corpse. It says zombies are most commonly found in horror and fantasy genre works. The term comes from Haitian folklore, in which a zombie is a dead body reanimated through various methods, most commonly magical practices in religions like voodoo.

Modern media depictions of the reanimation of the dead often do not involve magic, but rather science fictional methods such as carriers, fungi, radiation, mental diseases, vectors, pathogens, parasites, scientific accidents, et cetera. And goodness knows, I'm not going to break it down into all those little categories because this really would be a you know, like a four hour podcast.

But it is believed that well there there are various opinions about the origin of the word zombie, but many authors compare it to the Congo word vumby which that actually means a ghost, a revenant of corpse, something that still retains the soul versus a well. Actually, I guess it has something to do with like whether or not you have a soul. It's that kind of thing, all right,

So that's what we think it probably comes from. But if you go down here and you start looking into some of the beliefs, like the very original traditional beliefs here, zombies are featured widely in Haitian rural folklore as dead persons physically revived by the act of necromancy or a sorcerer or witch. And a zombie remains under the control of the witch they call them a bokor it looks like, remains under the control of the witch as a personal slave,

having no will of its own. And so right there you're talking about, you know again this idea that it is it's a helpless entity. So that's kind of like,

you know, what the tradition goes back to. And this is not just from Haiti though, I mean there are people from out you know, from throughout that general part of the world as well as Africa that all have some kind of a belief system that revolves around this, and I think that is best exemplified by this book that was made into a movie called The Serpent and the Rainbow. I know some of you have at least

seen this movie. The book was written in nineteen eighty five and the movie came out in nineteen eighty eight. And it's a really interesting story, and it's based on well what supposedly happened to a real man who became a zombie and then escaped and was able to rejoin us and tell everybody what that experience was like when we come back. I'm going to give you the facts on that case. It's a wild story and a great place to really start seeing your teeth into the mystery

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gietato zoomme. And when you look at this whole overview of the sort of pop culture history of zombies, says here. One of the first books to expose Western culture to the concept of the voodoo zombie was W. B. C. Brooks The Magic Island, published in nineteen twenty nine. Never heard of that one. But then, of course they say. A new version of the zombie, distinct from that described in Haitian folklore, emerged in popular culture during the latter

half of the twentieth century. This interpretation of the zombie as an undead person that attacks and eats the flesh of living people is drawn largely from George A. Romero's film Night of the Living Dead from nineteen sixty eight, which was partly inspired by Richard mathe novel I Am Legend. And of course from here you know that that gave rise to like Dawn of the Dead, Return of the Living Dead, and then it all just really takes off.

Who doesn't love Michael Jackson's thriller video, right, And then you start working your way into the nineties Resident Evil, House of the Dead. My goodness, this Sean Down of the Dead remake Sean of the Dead. Of course, the Walking Dead franchise comes out of that. I mean, it

just goes on and on and on. But when we go back to that original story about you know what is zombie was in Haiti Going back to who knows who is this something that could have been around for thousands of years, hundreds of years, I don't know, but it takes us to this story from well. Like I mentioned The Serpent in the Rainbow. That was a book published in nineteen eighty five and made into a movie

by Wes Craven in nineteen eighty eight. The full title of the book was The Serpent and the Rainbow, A Harvard Scientist's Astonishing Journey into the secret societies of Haitian voodoo, zombies and magic. And it was written by Wade Davis, who is still alive, by the way, and still conducting research at sixty nine years old. Now. Wade Davis is an ethno botanist. Now ethno botany is the study of a particular region's plants and their practical uses through the

traditional knowledge of a local culture and people. So you're going there and you're really digging into the relationship between people and their indigenous plants there. And in the late nineteen seventies, this scientist, Wade Davis, read a newspaper article about the supposedly true story of a man in Haiti named Clivius Narcis. And this man had supposedly been a zombie slave for at least two years before escaping. So

here is the story as I understand it. So in a nutshell, this man in Haiti, Clarvious Clervius and his brother. They lived in this very remote part of Haiti, and they got into a prolonged land dispute. They were arguing over some piece of land and it got more and more heated, and eventually Clarvius's brother got a local witch

doctor involved to help him. Apparently Clivious was drugged. So that's the idea of the story, is that Clivius's brother got a witch doctor and they conspired and they drugged Clarvious in some manner. He doesn't remember what happened, but he did remember feeling some agonizing pain at some point, and also at some stage in this although he was fully conscious, he found that he was lying somewhere completely paralyzed. In fact, two American trained doctors pronounced this man dead.

They issued an official legal death certificate, and Clivious actually remembers being nailed into a wooden box and being buried, although he could do nothing about it. So eventually this witch doctor dug him up. At that point, Clarivius was able to walk roughly, and he was led off to a sugar plantation in the jungle, where he was constantly fed drugs that kept him completely submissive in this kind of groggy state. And for two years he was forced to do manual labor in the fields and menial jobs

around the house. And then one day Clarvius found the witch doctor lying there dead in the living room. And at that point Clarvius wandered away from the plantation and eventually made it back to his hometown, where he scared the heck out of everybody, of course, including his brother. I'm not sure how that they reconcile that situation. Well, anyway, Wade Davis, he read all about this and so he was just absolutely amazed. He flew to Haiti and he

interviewed Clarvieus in person. He examined the death certificate, and Wade Davis was convinced that this story was true. And as he continued his research, Wade finally met a witch doctor who knew how to do this, how to turn people into zombies. And of course the witch doctor did not want to reveal the secrets, so Wade paid him a lot of money and finally the witch doctor relented and gave Wade some bags of the quote zombie powders used to drug people and put them into this zombie state.

So Wade Davis took one of these powders to the lab at Harvard, gave it to some rats, and shortly thereafter the rats looked as if they had died. However, some extremely sensitive you know EEG type brain wave machines there showed that the rats still had brain activity and that they were very much alive, but they just looked at just like Clarvius had claimed he experienced. So Wade analyzed the primary powder and he said that he found

it primarily contained a chemical derived from the pufferfish. You know what a pufferfish is. It's the fish that blows up and it's got the spines all over it. And then another one of the powders, the one that kind of keeps you in a slave state, the one that you would be given, you know, after you are revived, so to speak, and you're the one that keeps you as zombie, is derived from a plant called Datura stramonium or zombie cucumber. Turns out, you may have heard of

this plant. Called gemsen weed, and these powders, the one from the puffer fish and the gemsum. These powders are deadly, especially the puffer fish powder. So if indeed this is what was being used, the witch doctor would need to know just the right dose to administer to create the zombie state without killing the victim. And you know that's not an easy task. I mean, you're talking about having

to size up each person as an individual. Now, there are those who criticize way Davis's work, but I think he may have given us the best explanation for the origin of these true zombie stories from Haiti. By the way, in the legends of Voodoo, the serpent is the symbol of Earth and the rainbow is the symbol of heaven, and between the two all creatures must live and die.

But because he has a soul, they believe man can be trapped in this terrible place kind of like a like a limbo or whatever, a purgatory, And that's sort of what the whole zombie idea is about. So again, the serpent in the rainbow presents this case of this

man He's Clarivius is dead. Now who you know said that this the zombification was the result of this complex interaction between these these powders and these hallucinogens and such, and that very much fits into what you know, the Haitians claim was happening when they would encounter real zombies, which is where this whole thing took off. Now let's

fast forward. Let's get back to Night of the Living Dead, because all the way up until Night of the Living Dead, zombies were pretty much described as behaving just like Clairviews did. So Night of the Living Dead was made, like I said, in nineteen sixty eight, and at that time, George A. Romero, I don't think he'd ever made a movie before. Actually he was twenty eight years old. This movie was made for one hundred and twenty thousand dollars and it grossed

over thirty million dollars. Can you believe that? Okay, time for a break. When we come back, I'm going to tell you more about what that movie did. And then also I'm going to tell you about, yes, some well the closest thing to zombies that I have ever personally witnessed. And then finally I'm going to get around to what's my conclusion about all this zombie stuff, and then I have another cool update for you. I'm Joshua P. Warren.

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the show where the unusual becomes usual. Night of the Living Dead, released in nineteen sixty eight, is a movie about a group of strangers trapped in a farmhouse who find themselves fending off a horde of recently dead flesh eating ghules. And it was it was an independent horror film, directed, photographed, and edited by twenty eight year old George A. Romero,

and it was written by him and John Russo. And as I mentioned, it was one of those things like they just barely scraped the money together, around one hundred and twenty thousand dollars, which, by the way, even by today's standards, that would still be less than one million dollars by today's money here in twenty twenty three. So one of those typical stories you hear like they barely

scraped all this money together. They got all these investors and then knocked it out of the ballpark because that one hundred and twenty thousand dollars turned into over thirty million dollars for this little black and white movie. I mean, can you believe that? That's just the amazing thing about movies. When you make one, there is a chance, however small, however small, that you can turn just a little, grainy, low budget film into a gold mine. And so that

was one of the most profitable movies ever made. That should tell you something right off the bat about this odd connection that people feel to this concept of what we now consider zombies. And you know what's funny is that Romero said that when he was writing his part, and this was pretty you know, I know we had a co author, but this is pretty much his thing. He said he drew heavy inspiration from Richard Matheson's novel called I Am Legend that was published in nineteen fifty four.

That's a horror novel about a plague that ravages a futuristic Los Angeles and the infected people and I Am Legend become these vampire like creatures and prey on the Uninfected, and when discussing the creation of the movie Night of the Living Dead, Romero once said, quote, I had written a short story which I basically had ripped off from Richard Matheson's novel called I Am Legend end quote, and he went on to say, I thought I Am Legend was about revolution. I said, if you're going to do

something about revolution, you should start at the beginning. I mean, Richard starts his book with one man left. Everybody in the world has become a vampire. I said, we got to start at the beginning and tweak it up a little bit. And I couldn't use vampires because he did. So. I wanted something that would be an earth shaking change, something that was forever, something that was really at the heart of it. And I said, so what if the dead stop staying dead and the stories are about how

people respond or fail to respond to this? That's really all the zombies ever represented to me. And as a matter of fact, interestingly enough, you know well, Richard Matheson's novel I Am Legend appeared in some official film adaptations in nineteen sixty four, The Last Man on Earth in nineteen seventy one, as the Omega Man, and of course the two thousand and seven release I Am Legend, and Mathieson said he was not impressed by Romero's interpretation, said

he thought it was kind of cornball. But he also said, well, George Romero is a nice guy, and I don't harbor any animosity toward him, So I guess that's a good thing. But you know, again, it goes back to what I

was telling you earlier. George A. Romero used the term google in his original scripts, and then in later interviews he used the term zombie, and then after that, well, the word zombie is used exclusively by Romero in his script for his sequel Dawn of the Dead in nineteen seventy eight, according once in Dialogue, and so, according to Romero, film critics were very influential in associating that term zombie to his creatures, and he just eventually accepted that link,

even though he remained convinced that zombies actually corresponded to the undead slaves of Haitian voodoo, as depicted in the movie White Zombie with Bella Legosi. Isn't this kind of weird, like how that connection was just made and they just kind of went with it. Well, anyway, we'll never understand precisely how that connection was made, I guess, but that

shows you the journey that the zombie has taken. Now, when it comes to my own personal experiences with so called zombies, I will tell you that, of course, I spent a good fifteen years exploring in Puerto Rico, and I just outright lived there for five years, and Boquerrone on the south western side of the island in Caborrojo, and one of the I guess you know, one of the more significant towns that was close to me was

called Myos. And when I was living in Puerto Rico, there was this terrible drug fad, if you will, that was going around. For some reason, a lot of these downtrodden Puerto Ricans were getting a hold of horse tranquilizers. And I can't remember what all the official names are for this stuff, but there are quite a few horses

in Puerto Rico. I mean, you got to be careful when you're driving around at night because sometimes you'll come around a tight curve and there'll just be like five or six guys on black horses there, and you know, no lights or reflective vests and so horse tranquilizers were pretty prevalent, and during that period of time, people started taking horse tranquilizers just you know, as the latest drug

to get off on. And but I mean, I'm telling you, like, this is not something that like the kids would do for fun. This was the people who you know, were living in and alleyways. I mean, it's like the lowest, most terrible level of It's basically a form of slow suicide. When you start taking things like that, it's like people who got hooked on I guess heroin and meth and finnel.

But anyway, the weird thing about these horse tranquilizers is that sometimes you would encounter one of these people and it was so eerie because when they would take it at a certain times, they would reach a point where they would absolutely freeze in place and looked exactly like a statue. So and I mean they are standing up on two feet. I mean you would see people that look like they were walking and in mid stride, boom, somebody hit the pause button and I don't even know how.

They would stay that way sometimes apparently for at least an hour, and their eyes are open. But it's like their soul is gone. It kind of reminds me of those figures from Pompeii. But I had a friend who was a skateboarder and his name was Rafael, and one day he goes, man, look at this video. Was he was skating downtown and there were one of these people frozen in position like that, literally like right handback, left hand forward, one foot forward, eyes open, just standing there

frozen on these horse tranquilizers. And as he was skating on his skateboard, he took out his cell phone and he filmed the person and then he kind of skated around the person a little bit, and it kind of had that matrix effect where it looks like the person is, you know again, like frozen in time. And then you see all these angles and people. People in Puerto Rico said they these are the zombies. These are the horse tranquilizer zombies. And there have been documentaries made about it.

I know the National Geographic Channel did a whole thing about that phenomenon, so that was talking about disturbing and weird. I still don't understand exactly how that happened. Maybe I didn't even go back and look it up again for this podcast but I guess I need to. I like to go back and say, like, what's the latest on that? And while on Earth did it have that effect on people?

Another interesting connection that I have to so I guess the world of zombies is that, of course, you know, I own, I created, and I own the Haunted Boulder City Ghost and UFO tour here in it's outside of Las Vegas, Nevada, about thirty minutes from Las Vegas, a Boulder City, and we have everybody meet us at a place called beer Zombies, which is a really cool joint where the guy who created it as an artist and he now he's a brewer and an artist, and so

he just brands everything with zombie imagery and he's got a very successful franchise here. I don't know if you call it franchise. He got a chain, I guess I should say, of these places called beer Zombies around Las Vegas. And so if you ever take the Haunted Boulder City Tour, you'll be meeting up at Beer Zombies. That's Haunted Bouldercity

dot com. That'd be a great thing to do this fall, of course, But when we come back, I also want to tell you about an odd and unexpected run in I had with well, I don't want to say I had a run in. I saw Woody Harrelson one time and it was connected to the Zombie Land movie. And then I'm just going to give you my final thoughts on this whole zombie business. And then I have a

very interesting update for you. I'm Joshua Pee Warren. You're listening to Strange Things on the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast AM Paranormal Podcast Network, and I will be right back. Welcome back to the final segment of this edition of Strange Things on the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast AM Paranormal Podcast Network. I am your host, Joshua P One. And now it's not much of a story really, it's just something weird I thought about when the movie zombie

Land came out starring Woody Harrelson. I just so happened to be in Chicago and when they were having the premiere, the Zombie Land premiere. When was that like two thousand and nine, Yeah, two thousand and nine, And so I was not at the premiere, but I was actually there working on a television show and I ended up passing through the area where they were having the premiere, and so you know, I just got a glimpse of whatdy

Harrelson at the Zombie Land premiere. I love that story. Okay, so final thoughts, what are we gleaning from all this? Now that I've given you some context for the whole zombie phenomenon, let me go back first off to this book Everything You Ever Wanted To Know About Zombies by Matt Mock. He has a section here called Final Thoughts, and here is one of the things that he writes. The modern zombie evolved from vampires, not from the soulless

voodoo slaves that share their name. But unlike vampires, the walking dead don't carry with them the baggage of old world superstitions and myths. They aren't supernatural, superhuman, super strong, or particularly super anything. Just the opposite. Zombies are grossly natural in their rotting flesh, imperfect brains, and limited physical abilities. They don't pretend to be anything more or less than what they are. But what they are is the end

of the world. Well, maybe that's why I don't like the zombie thing so much, because I don't like thinking about the end of the world. Maybe I just don't believe in the end of the world because I know that I'm not going to be here forever. None of us are. We're all going to die. But I think the world is going to continue to exist with people in it because the world was put here to serve

a purpose. It's a big classroom, and no matter how good or how bad things get, my feeling is that the end of the world scenario is just not that interesting to me. And that's why I'm not a big doom and gloomer. I have a real I mean, I'm prepped. I'm prepared for anything that happens. But all right, that said, let's get into my ultimate conclusion from everything that I've given you and everything we've been thinking about, let's get

back to the big traditional ideas of a zombie. So silly or scary, Well, the original concept of the zo zombie is truly terrifying because it is apparently real, especially if we're to believe the story from the Serpent in the Rainbow. I mean, we're talking about the idea that you could be absolutely helpless to being secretly drugged by someone, and that drug paralyzes you to the point that others believe you are dead. And then you are buried alive,

even though you're still conscious. Now, if I stopped right there, it would be one of the most horrible things you could imagine happening to you. But then it goes even further into you suffering underground in your coffin until someone digs you up and then enslaves you the rest of your life and you are physically incapable of doing anything about it. It is truly a fate worse than death,

so obviously to call that scary is an understatement. However, the newer version of the zombie as a soulless home invading brain eater, you know, almost like a human shark. It would be scary if it were real, but since it is not, then I can't help it. I just do consider it silly. Now, that does not mean that I wouldn't be scared to death if someone in a zombie outfit came crashing through my window. Of course, it would scare the Jesus out of me. But that is

why I arm myself. And I'm pretty sure that no matter how scary a zombie outfit may look, and it's probably not bulletproof. So are zombies silly or Scar. Well, my answer is both depending on the type of zombie we are talking about. And I guess that's the best I can do for you on zombies. And I hope that you found that interesting and thought provoking at very least now I've done a zombie podcast. Moving on, here is the other thing I wanted to tell you about

that I think is pretty interesting. So you know, I mentioned earlier in the podcast, and I mentioned this at least you know once on every show, that if you subscribe to my free E newsletter you get to participate in special experiments. Well, recently I sent out an E newsletter and I said, hey, I'm going to do a version of a Roulette wheel experiment here in Las Vegas that I've never done before. And the idea is that

you you get to participate for free. You just have to go to this link, which I sent through my E newsletter, and you have to tell me what space you think is going to hit the next time I

go to a roulette Will. Because a typical American roulette will has thirty eight spaces, and thirty six of them are either red or black, and they're also numbered one, two, three, four, five, six, seven up to the number thirty six, and then there are two green spaces, and one of those spaces has got a zero and the other has a double zero. So whatever happens on a wheel like that, you're going

to hit one of those thirty eight spaces. And so if you bet on one of those spaces and it hits, then you get paid thirty five times whatever you bet on that. So, for example, if I put a dollar on one of those spaces and it hit that space, and then you know they spend the wheel and you know the ball lands on that space, well then they give you thirty five dollars. If you put one hundred dollars on one of those spaces and they spend the wheel and the ball hits that space, well now you

get three hundred and uh what did I? What did I just say? If you put if you put one hundred dollars, you get thirty five hundred dollars. I've done that before numerous times. So you put one hundred down,

you get thirty five hundred dollars. But I want to go to that wheel and I want to put down one thousand dollars on one of those spaces and they spend the wheel and if the ball hits the space that I put the one thousand dollars down on, then they would give me thirty five thousand dollars just like that. And so what I thought would be cool would be to do an experiment where I involve my audience and I say, if you pick the number that I put the thousand dollars on and it hits, I'll split it

with you. So you'll get seventeen thousand, five hundred dollars and I'll get seventeen thousand, five hundred dollars. But before I I've got confidence in you, you have to prove that you can do this. So we have round one where everybody gets to go and pick what space it's going to be. Is it going to be numbers one through thirty six or zero or double zero? And then from there you do it a second time and that's round two, and the people who get it right the

second time get to move on to round three. And by round three, I mean I'm thinking only one person will get it, and that is the person who is going to split the thirty five grand with me. When I go at stage four and put the thought thousand bucks down, So I put this out there, and I mean hundreds of people from all over the world participated, and well, the weirdest thing is that fifteen percent of the people picked the number seventeen. That's a huge margin.

Why do you think that is? I don't know for sure. I have a theory as to why that may be. But why do you think that is? I don't want to tell you what my theory is right now, but why do you think fifteen percent of the people picked the number seventeen? Well, anyway, I did it, and the

winning number was twenty nine. Eight people guests twenty nine, and those eight people are now moving on through the rounds and pretty soon, hopefully one of us, well one of you, one of those people will have seventeen thousand, five hundred. All right, my friends, here is the good Fortune tone. That's it for this edition of the show.

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