Episode 147: Voices from the Afterlife

of my podcasts. Now, in my original podcast, We Don't Die Radio, I have four hundred episodes and here in Shades of the Afterlife, well we are approaching one hundred and fifty, so that is a lot of listening. And he met me for the very first time face to face. He worked the day with us this catering business, and my mom gave me the seal of approval. She liked him, and of course by this time, anybody who worked so hard and listen to all my episodes, I thought, well,

maybe he's a keeper. Then I had the opportunity to introduce him to my dad. Now Mom is still alive, but Dad is deceased. What happened next was my dad opening his arms to me, giving me the most real and loving hug, as if he were still alive. I don't know what happened to the possible boyfriend, but that piece of the dream was so real to me that that told me that was Dad saying hello and letting me know that he loved me. Dreams are funny. Yes, it would be nice to have a handsome man show

up who fell in love with me? Because of all these episodes, But the important thing is the reality of the most important part, and that was with my dad. It was distinct from all the other parts of the dream. When I woke up this morning, I actually felt like I had just had a big hug from my dad. Dreams are interesting when they are negative, that is our subconscious at work. When they are real and you can remember them, remember the love, it could be a big

smile on your face. That is a real visitation. I believe. Where are we going to go today on this episode? Well, I'd like to get into electronic voice phenomena a bit more. Let you hear some examples and give you some ideas how you can start recording. Why Because lately many listeners have wanted to communicate with their loved ones. Now we can communicate with our loved ones at any time. They can hear us. The problem is we cannot hear them.

It's hard for us to trust when a song comes on the radio that was our favorite song, hard to trust that that's really our loved one. They may plant some pictures and some memories in our mind that come out of the blue, and it's hard to trust that that's really them. I would like to introduce you to some people who have had luck recording EVPs. The recordings are a little bit older. I'm not sure if you'll be able to understand the EVPs, so I will do my best to tell you what I hear and then

we can go from there. I have a lovely book in my hands called I'm Still Here, written by Martha Copeland, and on the back of the book it says I'm Still Here chronicles the compelling true story of a parent's deepest pain losing a child and the remarkable healing journey resulting in actual contact beyond life's veil. Despite the apparent finality of death from an automobile accident, Kathy has managed to try transmit messages to her mother and others via

audio segments captured on various voice recording equipment. Electronic voice phenomena, or EVP, is just the process by which communications with our deceased loved ones are possible. EVP is just beginning to be understood, yet it has been experienced by people all over the world since the advent of modern electronic devices. Through the use of EVP, Martha discovered that friendships evolving in the physical world are the result of our loved

one's efforts to contact us from the spiritual world. Story shared from other mothers in this book validates that we belong to what our loved ones in the spiritual world refer to as the Big Circle. The Big Circle includes our loved ones in the spiritual world world as well as their loved ones in the physical world here on Earth. After reading this book, you will never again be able to view the world through just your physical eyes. You will learn to see with your spiritual eyes as well.

Behind every tragedy, there is a divine plan that we do not realize that we are actually learning and growing from these tragedies. Through the use of EVP, we have come to realize that our loved ones in the spiritual world are trying to contact us, and it's time now to remove the do not disturb sign off Heaven's door. We'll talk a little bit more about the Big Circle as we continue on, and also one website that I think you should put at the very top of your

list if you're interested in recording. EVPs is a transc dot org which stands for the Association of trans Communication a transc dot Org. I'd like to play a short clip now and you can hear Martha Copeland talking about Kathy, and then we'll get into some other people and we'll hear some EVPs.

in a fiddle accident. It was five months later that my niece called me and she said, Aunt Martha, I've got Kathy's voice on my computer. Naturally, I thought because she was grieving, because they were cousins but also best friends, she was just grieving, and you know, I said, Okay, well, that's really wonderful Rachel. But then my sister got on the phone and she said, no, you need to come over here. It's Kathy's voice. So I went over there.

When she played the recording, could hear Kathy saying I'm still here. And then there was a male voice that followed saying, how do you know they can hear you? And you can imagine how shocked and actually thrilled I was to hear it. It was just unbelievable that I could hear my daughter's voice again. Rachel told me about the pack at that time that they had made, and she started laughing, saying what Kathy at the time told her. He said, if I should go first, I'm going to

write cat, Cat cat all over your computer screen. So Rachel said she was in bed that night and she said was thinking about the pack, and she started crying because she missed Kathy. And she got out of bed and she turned on the computer and found something about EVP Electronic Voice phenomena, and she started trying to get Kathy through the computer. And she tried for many, many hours and didn't have any success. So she finally tried one more time, and when she did, she got Kathy's

voice saying I'm still here. I had mothers that would come to my house and they had lost children, and we started recording together and when time, with much work, each mother was able to get their child's voice and the recordings. A mother in the group started emailing me, Karen Mossey, and I started picking up herson, Rob's recordings, his voice and my recordings. My recorders sometimes just mysterically

turned on by themselves. And one example is when I left my house one time and I forgot Kathy's dog. Dojah was in the house. When I returned home, he hid me this huge miss I mean, gi gant it mess in my house. And I picked up my recorder and when I played it, I could hear Kathy's voice saying Dojah no, like she's scolding the dog.

I would receive dimes, feathers, and actually, when you're a mom and you're looking for a child, you accept anything as a sign. And one day I took a picture. It had three sevens on it, and I'm sure it was a camera malfunction, but to me, it was a sign. So I asked people their opinion, and someone had told me as we were speaking about normal pictures, and she said, you know, if you're talk into our recorder, someone might answer you and you might be able to talk to

your son. My first reaction was, this can't be true. So I went home and I turned on the sound recorder of my computer. When I learned how to listen for voices, as you record more, you learn to hear. I went back to my first recording and my son was on it. He was the next voice speaking. So after that I got little bits and pieces, and someone came and said, speak to her a woman. Then I heard MA, and then I knew after that after that he talk to me all the time. Then I realized

that's my son. And once you know, you just talk. Now it's right, you just go Joe.

the intelligence of the messages. I'm going to give you a few links now, just so you can always refer back to the very first segment here again a transc dot org. Also messages from the Big Circle dot Org. The books There Is No Death and There Are No Dead by Tom and Lisa Butler, the book I'm Still Here by Martha Copeland. And if you make your way to YouTube, type in Sherry Pearl EVP video. So we'll go on to the break. We're going to hear more examples,

some of my experience and more. You're listening to Shades of the Afterlife on the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast am Heirinormal podcast Network.

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I'll tell you about at the end, and you can have a free copy of my book. And I have much help on grief in that as well. So I'd like to continue on with some stories from parents and EVPs. The next is Terry Dayner her story about her son Jeff.

cried all night they knew Jeff had passed. The following week, after the memorial service, on April twenty first, two thousand and five, Dave, his dad, and I were walking through the cat barn. I had a small Jason hundred recorder. We were giving the cats closure stopping at each set of cat cages. I had taken the recorder out when walking through the cat barn and recorded cats puffering and

talking to me. After returning home, I got out the little recorder and listened to all the cats puffering and rowing. To my amazement, I hear Hi, Mom, Jeff, my son. I was so excited happy. Words cannot express how I felt.

we decided we'd explore electronic Voice phenomenon. So we looked on a website and we found the American Association of Electronic Voice Phenomena. I joined the Big Circle and right after I joined the Big Circle and introduced myself and Braiden, they came back with, hey, we've heard from Braiden. We have EVP mentioning Braiden, and they proceeded to pile them on me and I thought, well, if they can get him and he can come on my answering machine, then I can get him. So I went out and bought

a recorder and started recording. This is one of my first messages from Braiden, and I liked it because it had been quite a few years since we actually contacted one another. It's a bit distorted, but it came along with validating information that it was him.

So you'll hear Kathy say brain heard. And then at the end, another female says awi and I don't know what that means. I don't know who hurt whom.

the recorder off. Some of it was clear, but most of it was Class C or worse.

I guess that's how I'd like to end. It is a miracle.

only spoke English. You don't speak the German language, and if you hear people speaking German, it just sounds like random noises. Well, once you learn German, and all of a sudden you hear people speaking it, you may recognize some words. The same thing holds true with EVPs. I use a digital recorder. I've not had any luck using an iPhone. A lot of people use their computer. The

one lady said she got messages on an answering machine. Well, we don't have answering machines too much anymore, but there's different ways they can communicate. What I have learned, or that I believe, is that our loved ones take the sounds within the recorder and they're able to rearrange the sound into words. When I got my very first recording, which I'll play for you in a moment, I was recording rain drops. That was it. Nothing else was going on,

just rain drops. I had really wanted to believe EVP was real. I heard some great examples, but unless I could hear it in my own device, I wasn't quite buying it. So I held out my digital tape recorder sitting on a bed alone in a cabin in the woods the Omega Center in New York, and I just said to my loved ones, if you're here and this is real and I'm meant to help people believe in the afterlife, I need you to talk really loud, and then I will say good night. So I recorded just

one minute. That's it, one minute recording rain drops, and then when I played it back on second number forty six, this is what I hear. Now. I was talking to my deceased grandmother, grandfather, aunt, and uncle, completely thinking I was just talking to myself. And what I hear on this recording is good night, Sandra in a man's voice, then two women going good night, good night, and then a man's voice good night. So let's listen. I sure hope you could hear that, but I know you may

not have. It's okay. We do the best we can, right There needs to be some intelligence with the messages. For instance, saying goodnight. I have spent some time on YouTube and there's a lot of people that claim they've gotten EVPs and they are what common Lisa Butler would call class C. Class A is something everybody can hear loud and clear. Class B maybe not so much. Class C is you definitely know something is there, but our mind can make up words. So there are plenty of examples.

And they say it says one thing, my brain's saying it says something else, So you really want to look for the intelligence behind it. Mom and dads know their kids, They know their manner of speaking, they know the expressions they use, so if they pick up on those, they can make perfect sense. There are people out there who supposedly get messages from long gone movie stars, and I don't quite buy it, because if a movie star wanted to talk to somebody, chances are it would be somebody

in their own family, not just a random stranger. People report these negative messages, well, that sells TV shows, but I've learned the only messages that come through are messages of love and quite often messages of humor, because we get to keep our sense of humor when we go to the afterlife, when we come back. Well, here's some words from Tom Butler, who created the a trans c Association of Transcommunication with his wife Lisa. We'll be right back.

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It was founded as the American Association of Electronic Voice Phenomena. In the year two thousand, Tom and Lisa Butler took it over. The name ended up changing to Association for trans Communication because it's not just audios. There's pictures that come through. If you followed my experiences with Sonya Andaldi, you know that she's collected the EVPs and also videos and pictures from the afterlife. So this whole world is

called trans communication, all right. So Tom in his background, he has been an electronics engineer for many, many years in the communication industry, but for over fifty years he's also been interested in the afterlife. He and his wife Lisa are the authors of the book There Is No Death and There Are No Dead, and also the book Your Immortal Self. So many moons ago, I had an opportunity to talk to Tom, so I want to just play for you some of the conversation.

often on every since. And as an engineer, my training is and also my temperament is that you can't ignore influences when you design a system, you have to pay attention to every input and output otherwise, you know, and in some disponge you can get somebody killed by ignoring the wrong inputs. And so when we come to the study of things electronic voice phenomena or the visual forms of it, you've got a whole bunch of different influences that you have to model. And that's right down my alley.

So after all these years of studying everything, when Lisa introduced me to the EVP after she read the Airy Step book, then it all became one big modeling challenge to me. So that's kind of where we ended up with in this new book.

And it turns out that we got married just about the day that Sara Eastip started the ae VP that we took over. Looking back, and we've talked about this and the Note Dead book that we wrote together, that it seems as if we've had free will, but it seems like a lot of our choices have been exactly leading us toward this, and so we do feel guided. And even when I wrote this new book, I there were a lot of mornings I woke up with, well, I got to change that chapter to this that kind

of thought. So the guidance and we're not unique, I'm not. I'm just a really reporter in this. You're finding out yourself that you can learn these abilities and they're really something that they're in eight and all of us that just that we're learning to pay attention and so we're all guided. Let's look at EVP. We worked with it

with quite a few people. We had one group within our organization we referred to as a Big Circle, and it was mostly mothers who had lost loved ones or children to the other side, and they were trying to use EVP to make contact, and some of them made some very good contact and we were fortunate enough to have three or four members who would call or it

would be very confident practitioners. They were able to produce EVP pretty much on demand, so we were able to conduct some studies with it, and through the studies, we've pretty well established kind of how it works, what does work, and what doesn't work. And about the time that the big circle was winding down and people were moving on in their lives and everything technique called radio sweep show that showed up and it's become kind of a silver

bullet and everybody using it. I won't go into the detail of how it's supposed to work, but basically our research on it, our study of it pretty much convinced us that it doesn't actually produce electronic voice phenomena, although the noise it produces sometimes is used for EVP, like

what we call transferm EVP. So anyway, the bottom line is that we've learned kind of what VP and what EVP is not and have used it as kind of a light lab rat to develop some pretty good series of how transcommunication works.

noise with moving the recorder. And if you run a recorder for three or four minutes and then listen back to that very carefully, and you listen to the noise in between your voice, it helps, by the way, to talk like ask questions, and in between your voice, you look for the in the noise. It might take Lease and I a half hour to review a three minute recording, and you will sometimes find sound the noise that has been transferred formed into voice like sounds if you listen carefully.

In some places, what we'll call a class A, which is a fairly rare class A. Example, you can clearly hear the pronunciation of words, and usual there will be one or two words and they'll tend to be garbled towards the end. Like Lisa recorded one from her mother, so you could clearly hear that was a woman who sounded like her mother. I was able to recognize a voice without prompting, and it garbles off at the end, so it says I miss you, Lisa, and the last

part of Lisa's name is garbled. But that's kind of what we we find with EVP. It's not like mediumship where somebody's giving you a message from the other side. In this case, it's just you and that recorder and sometimes the voice is on it, and anybody should be able to record it a voice, and it just takes some patience, I think, and then a little bit of work.

Let's to it. We really want people when they work with e v P, first of all, learn to do it themselves rather than get somebody to do it for him. Don't use the some of the ghost boxes and you know some of the modern technology. You just use background noise in a recorder and the open the open to alternative explanations. Always use I have people help you listen to them in the sense of you ask, you know, a friend, what are you hearing this? Don't say do

you hear my name? Say what are you hearing? And so in ours try to maintain an objective view, because one of the things we've learned over the years is that it's really easy to delude yourself, to fool yourself into thinking something is there that's not when you can sometimes recognize the voice and things that say exactly true for for your for your listeners. One of the things is on the website a trans sat out or a t R A n C dot org. We have a

white paper. It's fairly lengthy, but it has the background of a VP. It has techniques and how to record a little bit about what is and isn't how to listen to it. So there's a pretty good how to manual that they can download.

doesn't belong there. It's sometimes there'll be in color, it might be reflected, but you know it's shaped out of a reflective light. But television sets have a neutral density, and photograph shows up as a neutral density with a little bit of optical noise in it, and it turns

out to be an ideal media for a phenomena. So we're not sure exactly what it is, but it's worthwhile for people to check their pictures, maybe pictures when there's something reflective in the background, to see if there isn't a face in it. We'd love to get more examples of that mailed to us.

all people to receive absolutely they are. The bad news is it takes patience, it takes practice, and it takes commitment. You may not want to do or have the level of commitment needed to do EVPs. I spoke earlier about the Big Circle. All these years later, they still meet on the first and third Thursdays of the month, eight o'clock pm your time. People all over the world are recording. You can go to messages from the Big Circle dot org to be a part of that. You can also

listen to dozens of EVPs recorded. Some people post EVPs there and ask for assistance. What is this? What does it sound like to you? I highly recommend it if you have that commitment. And I talk about commitment because imagine you're on the other side and you find out, oh, my loved one is interested in recording EVPs. I believe there's some scientists and some mighty smart people that help teach our people how to use their thoughts to rearrange

sounds on these recorders. So they go through a lot of effort. If you do it once and say, ah, nothing's there, well who knows if there was or if there wasn't. But when you make the commitment and those in the spirit world know when you're going to record, and they see how committed you are to it, they'll be more committed on their side as well. The clips I'm going to play in just a moment are from two highly committed people. First is Sherry Pearl. You can

go to her website. Let me spell it for you, because it's not as it sounds, s h eeri p er l. She has an awful lot of instruction how to do EVPs. She records them a different way. She uses her computer and she uses what's called gibberish as a background noise, so it really is chopped up voices that you cannot understand. And she will have a conversation with a loved one or ask for people in the afterlife to talk to her. She uses a program called Audacity,

which is free. In fact, she has all the instructions on her website on how to do this. She plays the gibberish, she talks to a loved one, perhaps asks a question, waits for maybe ten or fifteen seconds without saying anything, and does it again, asks another question. What I'd like to do now is play some of Sherry Pearls captured EVPs in this first one, you'll hear Sherry asking her son Danny, who is in spirit, to say I love you, Ma, and you'll hear Danny say it.

I love you. Can we speak a message to Betty in.

around with your smartphone. I haven't had any luck with it, but you may. I like to put on water as a background sound, turn the shower on, and be relatively close, but not right on top of the sound. I usually do a little prayer, little meditation that I ask those in the spirit world to work with me. I imagine this vortex, almost like a tornado of energy that builds around me. I believe it helps add the necessary energy

for them to do their thing. So I take a few minutes, five ten minutes, and just really create this energy. I turn on the shower, I stand or sit maybe ten feet away. I press the record button. I talk to my loved one short questions or something short to say, and leave them ten fifteen seconds to respond. I keep my recording short, literally a minute, because going through a

minute can take me an hour. Listening to the sounds, your ears will most likely just pick up the sound of the water running it's frustrating, but say to yourself, there's something else here. Listen in for another sound within the shower sound. Sometimes you hear a sound of a whisper. I say, use that Audacity program. You can watch a YouTube video or get the instructions from Sherry Pearl how

to use it. But you're able to highlight those few seconds where you might hear something, and you're able to play it over and over and over again, and the brain can tell you exactly what those words are. Again, we need to look for intelligence. Quite often you will hear I love you. Because if you go to the spirit world and your loved one is doing EVPs, what's the most important thing you want to say, It's an

I love you. There is something called paradolia, and that is how our mind can turn clouds into faces, or people see the Virgin Mary on a piece of toast. It can also make up words out of sounds. It can be frustrating because you may think you hear something and it might just be your brain telling you what it is. Again, you want to look for the intelligence. If you say to your son or your daughter or your loved one, can you say I love you? And all of a sudden you hear I love you, well,

that'll tell you that's a real EVP. It takes persistence, it takes time, it takes passion, but it's absolutely doable. I know for many people, just hearing other examples of EVPs is enough to let you know that this is real and that your loved ones go on. They really do. They want you to know they're alive and well as much as you want to know they are. I really hope this episode has made a difference for you. I know researching EVPs has made a huge difference for me.

And when I learned EVPs, that's when I chose to come out with everything else that I've learned about the afterlife. Our website is we Don't Die dot com. On that front page, if you scroll down and you enter your name and your email address, you get a free copy of my book. It says you only get the first few chapters. It's the whole book. Many people that listen to this podcast are deeply grieving. Chapter ten is how to Survive Grief. I recommend it wholeheartedly. You can read

that first. Join us on our free Sunday gathering. Take a medium class so you know that you are a divine soul who has these powers. And in closing, my name is Sandra Champlain. Each episode I really try to make a difference so that you know that your loved ones are still alive and that your life matters. I really want to thank you for listening to Shades of the Afterlife on the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast AM Paranormal Podcast Network.