Episode 142: The Emerald Tablet & The Copper Scroll!

And even if you know what the Emerald tablet and the Copper Scroll are, these are two completely separate things. Have you ever thought about the possible connection between these two things? Because it sounds good as the topic of a show, right, the Emerald tablet and the Copper Scroll. But these two things have never really been put together before. I have a feeling there is a link between these two subjects. I'm not exactly sure what it is, but I'm going to try to find it in this show.

Do you think I can do it? An interesting challenge? Let's find a connection? Okay, well, where shall we begin. Let's begin with perhaps the simpler thing to understand in

a way, the Copper Scroll. You know, I I don't think I had heard of the Copper Scroll until just recently when my good friend Christian MacLeod, the cryptid guy, who also is a guide for the Haunted Ashville Ghost tours in North Carolina, he contacted me and he started telling me about the Copper Scroll, and he said this would make a really interesting subject for for a podcast.

So I started reading about it, and here is what we're basically talking about here The copper scroll is one of the Dead Sea scrolls found in Cave three, and it says the other scrolls are written on parchment or papyrus, but this scroll is written on metal copper mixed with about one percent ten. This is amazing because it's all of the other Dead Sea scrolls. And I'm going to get to what the Dead Sea scrolls are in a minute, but all of them, again, we're on you know, fragments

of parchment or some kind of an ancient paper. Basically, the copper scroll looks amazing. You should just type it in and look at pictures of this, just a little thin sheet of metal with all of this sort of you know, Hebrew looking writing on it. Just to refresh you on the Dead Sea scrolls. They are ancient Jewish religious manuscripts that were discovered between nineteen forty six and nineteen fifty six near the Dead Sea, and they contain

oh Boy says. They're considered to be a keystone in the history of archaeology with great historical, religious, and linguistic significance because they include the oldest surviving manuscripts of entire books later included in the Biblical Canons, along with extra biblical manuscripts. I mean, we're talking stuff that people wrote

thousands of years ago and hid in these caves. And from what I understand, they're in nineteen forty six, there were a couple of Bedouin shepherds, and if you don't know what Bedouin means, that means a nomadic Arab of

the desert. A couple of these shepherds happened to be in this you know, barren area with all of these caves, and the best I recall one of them, I don't know for what reason, he tossed a rock into one of these caves and he heard glass break, and so that's when they went in and they discovered these containers, and it began this whole process of I think they took it back, took some of these scrolls back into town and sold them for next to nothing to some merchant,

and eventually word got around and then the scientists found out about it, and the rest is truly history. So this is one of those scrolls. And you know, again we're talking about books from the Bible as well as just other things about life in general. And so the Dead Sea Scrolls were discovered in a series of twelve caves. All right, So the copper scroll is very different though, not only is it the only one that was put on metal like this, but the copper scroll. Guess what

the copper scroll says. Before I tell you this, Let's see, I was reading about how the state that it was in, and they said that I can't find exactly the section, but they were saying that when they got it, it was it was rolled up really tight somehow, and they were afraid it was kind of corroded and stuff, and they were afraid if they tried to unroll it that

they would break it. It's actually on two rolls of copper, and so they ended up taking this to a college in England and that's where they really they're very delicately unrolled it and cut it into little sections and straightened it out. Well. The copper scroll is, believe it or not, basically a treasure map, and I mean an extensive treasure map.

We're talking about. Can you imagine going into a cave near the Dead Sea and finding some ancient rolled up scroll that is thousands of years thousands of years old written on metal here, and you finally open it up and it's a treasure map. This is the kind of thing that would make Indiana Jones blow his top. I mean, this is it's almost one of those like Cruth a

stranger than fiction type things. The text is an inventory of sixty four specific locations, sixty three of which have treasures of gold and silver, which have been estimated in the tons they say. For example, one single location described on the copper scroll describes a place where there is eight hundred and sixty eight thousand troy ounces of buried gold. I'm not sure how much eight hundred and sixty eight thousand troy ounces is, but it's sounds like a lot,

doesn't it. Let's see, maybe I can do a quick calculation here, all right, So let's see. If I'm correct, eight hundred and sixty eight thousand troy ounces should be over fifty four thousand pounds. So okay, you take you know how heavy, Well, imagine how heavy a dump truck is. How would you like to have the amount of gold that weighs the same as a dump truck? Well, what if you stacked another dump truck on top of that? You got two dump trucks. Think about how much gold

that would be, and how much that would be worth. Well, this would be the equivalent of not two, not three, not four, but thirty dump trucks. Thirty big old dump trucks, dump trucks. That's the weight of gold we're talking about at one of the locations. And then they also talk about treasures like tithing vessels and uh and other types

of you know, bejeweled vessels and priestly vestments. Let's see here The following English translation of the opening lines of the first column of the copper scroll shows the basic structure. So like it says, one to one in the ruin that is in the valley of akor under, one to the steps with the entrance at the east, one to three a distance of forty cubits, a strong box of silver and its vessels one four with a weight of

seventeen talents. So you see how detailed this is. It's literally saying like, here's the here's the place, here's the entrance that you need to go in, here's the distance, and you're gonna find a strong box with bo So now, if you were the first person to read this, what would you do with that information. Let's say you're the person who gets to translate that. Would you say uh hmmm. Oddly enough, this is gibberish. I have no idea what

it says. I'll get back to you in a couple of months and see if I can figure it out. And then you buy your plane ticket and you go off hunting the treasure. Would you do that? Well, guess what we come back from this break. I'm going to tell you what happened when scholars took this information and they ran out there trying to find the treasure from the Copper scroll. And then later I'm going to get into the connection that may or may not exist between

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presume we've all said it, But what does it mean? Well, it is an Abrahamic declaration of affirmation, first found in the Hebrew Bible and then subsequently found in the New Testament. And here's what it means. It means truly let it be so. So whenever you say amen, truly let it be so is what you are projecting out there. That's It's beautiful, really, isn't it? When you think of it that way? You know what else is beautiful? Eight hundred

and sixty eight thousand troy ounces of very gold? Oh yeah, amen? And so can you imagine being the first person to uncover that message? What would you do? Would you tell anybody? Or well, here's what here's what the official history says. And by the way, i am not a history teacher. I am just a mere podcast host. So you know, if some of my facts are off, please forgive me, but I'm doing my best. Here, says scholars are divided as to what the actual contents of the copper scroll are.

There are different interpretations about the metals and things. However, it says medals such as copper and bronze were a common material for important archival records. So, in other words, it would kind of make sense that if the Dead Sea scrolls were meant to document important things, well, then you might think, well, they sure valued the stories and the Lord and the words of the Lord and all

that enough to write them down on parchment. But when it comes to all the gold and silver, we're going to record that on a piece of metal, and so it would make sense that they would take that extra step to make sure that that a record of such wealth,

especially could stand the test of time. It says. Along with this, various formal characteristics establish a line of evidence that suggests this scroll is an authentic quote administrative document of Herod's temple in Jerusalem end quote, wow, it says. As a result, this evidence has led a number of

people to believe that the treasure really does exist. One such person is John Allegro, who in nineteen sixty two led an expedition by following some of the places listed in the scroll, the team excavated some potential burial places for the treasure. However, the treasure hunters turned up empty handed, and so far no treasure has been found. Another theory is that after the Roman army left after the siege, Jewish people used the copper scroll to retrieve the valuables

listed and then spent those valuables on rebuilding Jerusalem. So that's quite a mystery, isn't it. Again, It's like something out of a movie. But let's not forget about this significant question, would you tell anybody if you found a treasure. I mean, it's one thing if you tell people this is a treasure map. But if you go and you find the treasure, are you going to go and announce it to the world. I mean, maybe you would, that you're supposed to, I'm sure, but that doesn't mean that

you necessarily would. This is an issue that has popped

up over and over again here in our country. You know, I was born and raised in North Carolina, which was a very active participant in the Civil War, the war between the States in eighteen sixty one to sixty five, and so when the North and South were fighting, the fate of currency was uncertain, and so a lot of people would take their valuables and just hide them, either in a secret compartment in the house, or they would take them out and just dig a hole and bury them.

And I grew up hearing plenty of stories about Civil War hordes, as they call them. And there are people who go out metal detecting all the time, and occasionally they'll find some big old pot full of precious metals, you know, old coinage and jewelry and the family silver and all that kind of stuff. But there are some stories about like massive loads of gold and silver that were a part of say like the Confederate Treasury that

was buried away and hidden in some cave somewhere. As a matter of fact, I once read a story about one of these Civil War treasures that was hidden near bat Cave in western North Carolina. Yes, there's actually a place not far from where I grew up called bat Cave. I guess that's in Henderson County and and that. Yeah, there is a cave and its sky bats in it. But I've always thought if if I was a real entrepreneur, I would go to bat Cave and I would turn

it into the biggest batman tourist trap ever. I would have like a fifty foot tall Batman statue in the middle of town, and we'd have the Batman Festival. It'd be everybody would know about bat Cave, North Carolina. I bet that's gonna happen now that I've put that out there. But anyway, would you tell anybody if you found a treasure.

This is the thing you're up against if you are a treasure hunter, because if you go out hunting a treasure, you've got to be very, very optimistic, and you have to believe in a lot of serendipity to even think you can find the treasure that nobody else has found. But then you have to consider the possibility that any treasure worth finding was already found a long time ago.

And even if you follow all the clues correctly and you get there, you're never gonna know that there was a treasure there because somebody already took it, and then you're just spinning your wheels forever. That is perhaps the greatest curse of treasure hunting. So that's kind of the end of the story when it comes to the Copper Scroll, and maybe someday it will lead to a great fine. So now let's see how this can transition into the

other half of this show topic, the Emerald Tablet. So I'm going to tell you about the Emerald tablet, and then I'm going to see if I can find a connection between the Copper Scroll and the Emerald Tablet. Now I've been kind of dreading the Emerald Tablet section here because this is very complex and it's really tricky to try to describe this, I think anyway, and I even have a whole book about this, So all right, let me just start. I'm gonna try to make this is

easy on us as possible. Let's look at the Wikipedia page. The Emerald Tablet is a compact and cryptic hermetic text. It was highly regarded by Islamic and European alchemists as the foundation of their art. All right, So the Emerald Tablet is a text, and alchemists considered this text to

be the foundation of alchemy. And when you think of alchemy, you usually think of something like taking lead or a material that has minimal value and being able to treat it through some kind of a magical perhaps electrochemical process and turn it into gold. And then you have all these ideas about the Philosopher's stone mixed in there. Let's see what exactly is the definition of the flawlosopher's stone. Let's see the philosopher's stone, says was the central Wait

a second, Okay. The Philosopher's stone is a mythic alchemical substance capable of turning base metals such as mercury into gold or silver, also called the elixir of life, useful for rejuvenation and for achieving immortality. For many centuries, it was most salt and alchemy. The Philosopher's Stone was central

as the symbol of the mystical terminology of alchemy. Okay, so that's just some other kind of who knows what that is, right, But the Emerald Tablet is supposed to be what lays the groundwork for this whole idea that you can do that, that you can transform lead or mercury or something like that into gold or silver, and that and somehow that same process can can give you some kind of perhaps rejuvenation or eternal life, like a

fountain of youth. And this thing called the Emerald Tablet, it may, I mean, it exists, but the origins of it are just absolutely shrouded and legend and mystique. And supposedly it was written by Hermes Trismegistus. And if you follow the mystery schools back and you look into most metaphysical traditions, eventually they're going to lead back to this guy named Hermes Trismegistus, and apparently he lived thousands of years ago. And well, it looks like it's break time.

When we come back, I'm going to tell you about Hermes. And supposedly the great Hermes, the great and powerful and wise and magical hermes. Well, he either authored or somehow attained the information, presumably from the heavens that we consider now to be the Emerald Tablet. When we come back, I will explain best I can. I'm Joshua P. Warren. You're listening to Strange Things on the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast AM Paranormal Podcast Network, and I will be back after these important messages.

more words professionally than I have written professionally. I'm sure, And a lot of people write books or whatever and they don't read them, and so I find that there is a nice little crossover there for me. Sometimes when I'm speaking, it's almost like I'm just writing out loud, and there is this strange phenomenon when you do this over years, you notice that sometimes your brain is thinking one word and another word comes out of your mouth.

And once in a while, I think, I catch myself experiencing this, and I always try to correct it because I know if I don't, somebody will email me and correct me, and I believe. Earlier in the show, I was mentioning the discovery of the Dead Sea Scrolls, and I talked about the shepherd tossing a stone into a cave and hearing something like glass breaking. Well, I meant

to say pottery, because it wasn't glass. The Dead Sea Scrolls were found in clay jars, so that maybe that's just you know, splitting hairs in terms of the show. But if I catch myself using the wrong word, I like to go back and rectify it. Okay, let's get back to the Emerald tablet and the Great Hermes Trismegistus. Now let me explain to you what that means. In the ancient times, if you were someone of renown, they

would say your name twice. So, for example, you know, my name is Joshua, so but if you think I'm a great guy, then you would say you're a Joshua. And that was about as good as it could get. If somebody said your name twice, that was quite a compliment. But if you were almost I mean like if you were the Matt Daddy, if you were if you were almost on an inhuman level when it came to greatness

and ability, well then your name would be said three times. This, my friends, is Joshua, Joshua, Joshua, and everybody go ooh. And the word tris megastus means thrice. It means three times. So when you hear Hermes Trismegistus, that means his name was. This man's name in the ancient world was Hermes, and uh, they would call him Hermes, Hermes, Hermes, or to make

it shorter, supposedly, Hermes Trismegistus. In my book used the force a Jedi's Guide to the Law of Attraction, which you can for free, by the way, right now, if you go to Joshua Pwarren dot com and click a link to the book cover. There you'll see it somewhere. I actually mentioned Hermes in here, and I wrote. For thousands of years. Mystery schools around the world exploring philosophy, metaphysics, and mysticism have been inspired by Hermetic texts attributed to

a mysterious ancient figure known as Hermes Trismegistus. One of the most influential phrases has been as above, so below the full maxim as translated by Dennis W. Hawk in his book The Emerald Tablet Alchemy for Personal Transformation is quote that which is below corresponds to that which is above, and that which is above corresponds to that which is below to accomplish the miracle of the one thing end quote. And I believe that that is true. But Hermes, there's

no proof he was a real man. He's almost one of these figures like Merlin. But apparently if he was a real man, and I mean I think he was, because enough is written that I think that you know, there must have been somebody at the center of this. He apparently lived thousands of years ago, and among many occultists, he has considered the founder of science, religion, mathematics, geometry, alchemy, philosophy, medicine,

and magic. He is a combination of the Egyptian god thought of wisdom and learning and communications and the Greek god Hermes, the messenger of the gods. Now was Hermes Greek or Egyptian or Greco Roman or something else. Some people even say there was some Chinese mixed in there. I don't know. He was Yoda. And if you follow any of these, like I say, mystery schools, they're going to somehow bring you back to Hermes. Well, according to this book that I just mentioned, called The Emerald Tablet

by Dennis William Hawk. Now, this book, this is like a four hundred and fifty page book, and I'm not going to sit here and tell you I have read this whole thing. I have not, but I have skipped around and I've gotten, you know, the gist of it. And so basically, here's what he's saying in this book that the story is that long long ago, there was somewhere, you know, in the Middle East, there was this young man named Balinas, and he was inspired to discover this

underground chamber. And then when he went into the chamber, with a torch. It says here, and I'm just going to read a little passage. As the boy approached, he could hardly believe his eyes. Before him stood a golden throne, and seated in it the mummified corpse of Hermes, wearing the remains of a fine embroidered coat. Billina's froze in front of the corpse and stared into the leathery bearded face of Hermes. The sound of the teenager's thumping heart

filled the chamber. Resting in Hermei's lap was a green colored tablet that glowed eerily in the dim light. The dead man's stiff fingers clutched it tightly, and the boy stepped forward and touched the tablet's smooth, protruding letters. So this is the emerald tablet. Now where did it come from? Let me just pause before I tell you what the Emerald tablet says? Um in. Let's see, I did a show. It was episode seventy of this podcast called Strange Things.

Was called say these words and mantras and see what happens. So if you haven't listened to episode seventy, you might want to just skip there and listen to that and in that I talked about moldivite, and this book in particular I read by this guy named bal Kadman called Moldavite Magic, and I actually used some rituals with moldovite

and some pretty unbelievable things happened to me. If you don't know what moldivite is, it's actually called a tech type and it is this sort of olive green looking glass formed by a meteorite impact around what is now southern Germany about fifteen million years ago. And moldivite is a very very powerful stone. But you should not work with moldivite if you're going to do magic and manifestation unless you are really ready for some very fast, powerful,

almost jarring changes to happen in your life. And they will be well, they ordinarily they will be good. But you know, nothing can be created new unless something else is destroyed. So you've got that kind of like that's the scary part about your life advancing. You've got to lose certain things for other things to happen, and so you've got to be ready. And I have heard a lot of people speculate that the Emerald tablet may have actually been made from Moldivite. And you know what, I

can't find a particular like historic source for that. I've just it's just one of those things that I've heard through the grapevine. It kind of makes sense. And Mouldivite, I mean the way that the Emerald Tablet is described, it sounds just as much like moldivide as as an emerald and uh so, and there are also references to what's in the Emerald Tablet talking about the relationship between heaven and Earth, and so that's where I think this idea comes from, that this may be from the heavens.

So well, what does what does the Emerald Tablet say

that was so inspiring? You know what, I don't want to start reading this right now because we're up on a break here and a little bit, and so I think when we come back from the break, I will I will read to you what the uh well, the the you know, one of the most like substantial translations of the Emerald Tablet is and I'll also tell you that some people consider wisdom to be evil, and what I mean by that is it goes back to the Garden of Eden, the story about how that when Adam

and Eve were put into this garden of Eden, and they had everything they needed there. They had each other, they had control over dominion over all the animals, they had all the fruits and vegetables, they had fresh water, they had everything they needed, and they were almost like God's little puppy dogs. And he says, there you go. You stay here and be happy. The only thing I don't want you to do is eat from that tree,

because that is the tree of knowledge. And if you have knowledge, then your innocence will be gone, and suddenly you will never be satiated. You will you will have this constant desire to grow more powerful and greedy, and you're always gonna want you'll never be fulfilled. And so this is where like the idea of original sin comes from that they gained knowledge from eating the forbidden fruit.

When they did that, their eyes were opened. And so there is this tradition of knowledge being evil, and that's why sometimes you have statues like Baphomet pointing up and down at heaven and earth and as above so below, and some people think that's actually evil. Well, anyway, I'm Joshua P. Warren. You're listening to strange things on the iHeart radio and Coast to Coast AM Paranormal Podcast Network and I will be right back.

to know, and that is considered evil. I remember when I was in college. I was taking my favorite class, philosophy, and the professor said, had you rather be. Would you rather be a happy pig or a depressed Abraham Lincoln? Well, I guess that kind of sums it up. What would which one of those? Would you rather be? Anyway, Here is one of the translations of the Emerald Tablet that pretty much says what you need to know. Quote true

without falsehood, certain and most true. What is below is like what is above, and what is above is like what is below. To accomplish the miracles of one thing. And as all things were derived from one by the meditation of one, so all things are born from this one thing by adaptation. The Sun is its father, the moon is its mother, and the wind carried it in its belly. Its nurse is the Earth, the father of all talisms, which is like talisman, The father of all

tealisms of the whole world is here. Its power is whole. If it is converted into earth, you will separate the earth from the fire, the subtle from the dense. Gently, and with great skill, descends from Earth to Heaven, and then it descends again to Earth and receives the power of the superiors and the inferiors. Thus you will have the glory of the whole world and all darkness will flee from you. This is the strong force of all forces,

overcoming every subtle thing and penetrating every solid thing. Thus the world was created. From this. Marvelous adaptations will arise, of which the manner is here. Therefore I am called Hermes Trismegistus, Having the three parts of the philosophy of the whole world. What I have said about the operation of the sun is accomplished and ended. The big picture

is the same as the little picture. If we go to this book, The Emerald Tablet by Dennis William Hawk, here's what he says, if the Emerald Tablet read, if it were written today, First of all, we would have to gear it toward an audience without much time for any background philosophizing, and of course we would be competing with television for their attention. And then again we would have to at least acknowledge the advances made in scientific knowledge.

Contemporary science tells us that the universe is made up of energy, matter, and light, and those would be what the alchemists call sulfur, salt, and mercury, respectively. According to Einstein's equation E equals mc squared, energy and matter can be transformed into one another through the intermediary of light. In alchemy, sulfur and salt are transformed into one another

through the intermediary of mercury. Thus, if that little sea in Einstein's equation stood for consciousness instead of light, there would be no difference at all between physics and alchemy. Let's assume that consciousness is light after all, and in that case, an emerald tablet for the twenty five century would look something like this. Truly, without hype, religious exploitation,

or commercial consideration, you can experience higher truths. You are as much a part of the material as you are of the mental, and you are as much a part of the mental as you are of the material in order to accomplish the miracles of light. And just as all things come from light through the concentration of consciousness, so do all things created originate from light through the transformation of thought. Its father is energy, its mother is matter.

The spectrum carries it in its belly. Its nurse is the Earth. It is the origin of all the consecration of the universe. Its inherent strength is perfected if it is materialized. We got deep there, didn't we? But is it really that deep. I don't think it is. It makes sense to me if you want to dig into this four hundred and fifty page book, The Emerald Tablet,

Alchemy for Personal Transformation. It's easy to get on Amazon by Dennis William Hawk, last name spelled hauc K. All right, so you say, mister smarty pants, what's the connection between the Copper Scroll and the Emerald Tablet. Well, here's what I think it is. The Copper Scroll is literally a treasure map. It is a very straightforward, rational It's almost like an accountant's listing, more like a bookkeeper is listing

of physical resources of great value. And so this treasure map is a literal treasure map where you take it and you go out and you try to find the treasure. And I keep calling it a map, but it's not really a map because it doesn't have a drawing on it. But you know, you get to picture. It's a list of things. May as well be a map. You could make a map out of it. I bet somebody has.

The Emerald Tablet is very similar because the Emerald Tablet is the foundation for alchemy, and alchemy is also like the foundation of a treasure map, because if you look at alchemy in its most rudimentary, symbolic form, you think about once again gaining wealth, but you're doing it not by going out and searching the desert for some buried treasure, but by taking some element of low value and transforming it into something of higher value. But actually, you see,

that's the trick about alchemy. That is what people of a more closed minded perspective sy Alchemy is actually not about literally taking these substances like lead and mercury and turning them into gold and silver. Alchemy is about transforming yourself spiritually into a better, more enlightened, and accomplished person. That's what it's actually about. This idea of turning lead into gold is symbolic, but the real goal of alchemy is to turn yourself into a golden being, a benevolent,

powerful being. Because if you do that, if you're able to take lessons that are wise and use them to transform yourself into this better state of being, well then you'll find out how to get the money you need.

The superficial stuff will come. So don't fixate so much upon the material world, because if you instead fixate upon the mental and spiritual world and perfecting that, well then you will have the wisdom and you will have the fortune to attract the superficial and material things that you need. And that is why some of my most powerful manifestation tools will for me never be used to attract money. Instead,

I use them to make me a better person. And that could take on a lot of different meanings mentally and physically and emotionally and all that, because if you use these tools to make yourself better, then you will be granted and blessed with wisdom that will help you achieve those other things. So I guess bottom line is I think the copper scroll is a treasure map that's very literal, and the emerald tablet is a treasure map

that's more figurative and metaphorical. That they're both about achieving wealth. And what is what has greater wealth than happiness and enlightenment and peace and the immortality of the soul? Did I do it? I don't know. You tell me? All right, my friends, we are out of time, so now let us end this complex show by relaxing. Take a deep breath, if you can close your eyes, here is the good fortune ton That's it for this edition of the show.

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