Episode 128: UFO Whistleblower

out of body experiences. I mean, we tried to go through the layers and best understand and approach it on the level because nobody has all the others right, We're all just kind of caring this out. And I always say I'm someone who has been there seeing that, experienced it, freaked out. Founder Answers wrote about it, got over it, and now I'm trying to help others to do the

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They both go to the same website. And I also want to tell you guys, find me on social media at one put a one in front of Heidi Hollis, that's h E I D I H O L L I S and tell me your stories. I do answer my messages. I do answer my emails. It could take a little time sometimes, but I swear to you I get to it. And yes, I have weird stuff that happens to my emails sometimes where I don't know what happens. Suddenly I'll get a big dump of emails and I'm like,

where'd that come from? It's like a year old. It's so odd.

hot off the presses? What do I mean by that? Did you hear the news? An intelligence official says the US has retrieved craft of non human origin. M yep, I said it. I did. So we're gonna go over that and a couple of other positions. When it comes to the church and how they view these topics because it's a crazy world out there, and how people can how can I say approach these things? Is anybody correct?

Is anybody right? Is everybody wrong? Who knows? But we're gonna We're gonna go through this because it's kind of important and since this is just being released today, I think it's highly important. Okay, So I'm gonna read this from Thebrief dot org. And oh first, I want to finish telling you guys, when you go to my main website sending me your stories, tell me as many details as you can. Make the email humungous. And if you have photos or drawings, send those to Heidihallis at gmail

dot com. All right, okay, okay, okay, now I'm back on track. Say look, oh man, I swear to you. So okay, this comes to us from Thebrief dot org And this was written by Leslie Keene met her Ralph Blumenthal interviewed him on this program, and it says a former intelligence official turned whistleblower has given Congress and the Intelligence Community Inspector General extensive classified information about deeply covert programs that he says possess retrieved intact and partially intact

craft of non human origin. Now we all I'm just me talking. Now, we all know that this is not brand new to the world because a lot of regular folks have seen our government retrieve such things and also abroad. This is something that gets reported, So that part is

not new. What's new is having somebody in the ranks say it happened, all right, So continuing, the information he says has been illegally withheld from Congress, and he filed a complaint alleging that he suffered illegal retaliation for his confidential disclosures reported here for the first time. This is huge, guys,

this is huge. Absolutely. Other intelligence officials, both active and retired, with knowledge of these programs through their work in various agencies, have independently provided similar, corroborating information, both on and off the record. The whistleblower, David Charles Groosch thirty six, a decorated former combat officer in Afghanistan, is a veteran of the National Geospatial Intelligence Agency NGA and the National Reconnaissance

Office NRO. He served as the Reconnaissance Office's representative to the Sorry Unidentified Aerial Phenomena Task Force from twenty nineteen to twenty twenty one, so from late one to July twenty twenty two he was the mnga's co lead for UAP analysis and its representative to the task Force. So he's legit huge, very huge, all right. The task Force was established to investigate what were once called unidentified flying objects or UFOs. I prefer that term. My hand is raised, okay, guys,

and are now officially called officially unidentified anomalist phenomena. Used to be called aerial phenomena, but now it's anomalous or UAP. The task Force was led by the Department of the Navy under the Office of the Under Secretary of Defense for Intelligence and Security. Has since been reorganized and expanded into the All Domain Anomaly Resolution Office to include investigations of objects operating underwater.

to me. Okay analysis has determined that the objects retrieved are of exotic origin, non human intelligence, whether extraterrestrial or unknown origin, based on the vehicle morphologies and material science testing and the possession of unique atomic arrangements and radiological signatures, he said in file telling his complaint. Groosh is represented by a lawyer who served as the original Intelligence Community

Inspector General or ICIG. And this is a quote. We are not talking about prosaic origins or identities, Groosh said, referencing information he provided Congress and the current ICIG. The material includes intact and partially intact vehicles in accordance with protocols, Groosh provided the Defense Office of Pre Publication and Security Review at the Department of Defense with information he intended

to disclose to US. His on the record statements were all cleared for open publication on April fourth and six,

twenty twenty three. In documents provided to US Grush's disclosures and those non public witnesses under new protective provisions of the latest Defense Appropriations Bill signal a growing determination by some in the government to unravel a colossal enigma with national security implications that has bedeviled the military, and tantalized the public going back to World War II and beyond those are some fancy words people. I like these words. Colossal, enigma, that's amazing.

duper psychic who's mentioned that. It's like, oh that huh, that's their way to find them. That's horrible, isn't it? Absolutely horrible? So yeah, let's give a round of applause for this person stepping forward and the face of such threat that definitely still exists. And I think I heard doctor Greer speaking to that, with the many whistleblowers being put at risk and harmed quite literally. All right, So, bedeviled, tantalized, and all these words, I'm digging here, all right, So continuing,

they say. For many bit for many decades, the Air Force carried out a disinformation campaign to discredit reported sightings of unexplained objects. Now, with two public care and many classified briefings under its belt, Congress is pressing for answers.

has worked with Congress for years on unidentified aerial phenomena. Well, then that would make me think he sure does know and hold the keys to some information. Nope, nope, I'm just reaching here. I'm just reaching you know, I'm gonna stop here because we've got to get to our first break. This is amazing, it's amazing, and I'm glad. I'm glad somebody's talking, somebody's taking a step forward. But again, it is it is hard for me somebody within the military

government being the one to disseminate information. So I always say be cautious. All right, you guys, you are listening to Dark Becomes Light with me Heidi Hollis on the iHeart Radio at Coast to Coast AM Paranormal Podcast Network. Welcome back. You are listening to Dark Becomes Light with me Heidi Hollis on the iHeart Radio at Coast to

Coast AM Paranormal Podcast Network. We are having a very warm conversation about the whistle blower that has step forward in regards to their being recovered craft and everybody knows it and they're not sharing and we have somebody that has taken those steps forward and it is greatly appreciated.

And you know, my last comment just before the break is telling about my position on some of these things being that my reasons because you know, my own family was involved in these things and I was none the wiser. I had no idea, that's the that's the words. I didn't know, you know. So here it is in my own family. I'm writing books on such things, and here there was a keyholder under the same roof, you know.

So I'm always a little bit skeptical when it comes to those who are owned by those that pull the strings in the government. They held these things for decades. I wonder what they had to do to keep that secret. Yeah, what kind of threat is that?

servicemen and women who did their duty. They did, and many have confessed and told their loved ones what they've experienced, what they've done, And you know, that's how it's helped us to stand where we are today, those of us in these fields that are uncovering so much out there.

Speak of the Battle. Now it's about a real shadow People battle between.

all right, it's a quote. It says a number of well placed current and former officials have shared detailed information with me regarding this alleged program, including insights into the history, governing documents, and the location where a craft was allegedly abandoned and recovered. Mellon said, However, it is a delicate matter getting this potentially explosive information into the right hands for validation. This is made harder by the fact that

rightly or wrongly. A number of potential sources do not trust the leadership of the All Domain Anomaly Resolution Office established by Congress. What was I just talking about. Yeah, there's some trust issues. So it's not just me. It's

not just me, you know. I hate to sound skeptical because I am very happy our government has taken a step forward and it's discussing, at least discussing this instead of pooh poohing making fun of, you know, little tongue in cheek stuff as the president of the United States

isn't even allowed to know information. But one thing I will tell you guys, though my father haven't been part of the military and part of what it is I was discussing, he helped invent things, you know, for the government, for military, and these things have never surfaced that he helped create. So who's using it? You know, who's using it? I know that he said anything that you see our government shows our technology to be like the latest craft

that they have or whatever. He's like, it's at least a minimum of twenty years old, Heidi, twenty years So that means there are people living way above where we're living, all right way above. They keep it to themselves. You know, I get it. It's also to keep the country safe. But also there are a lot of luxuries that go into that, a lot of luxuries, and only those at the top are enjoying those spoils. Where did they get the technology from? Sometimes I think it's kind of obvious.

It isn't always ours, right, Yeah, So there you have it. Okay, I'm going to continue. But some insiders are now willing to take the risk, and the risk is still there, guys of coming forward for the first time with knowledge of these recovery programs UFO recovery.

analysis of UAP has been his main focus. Previously, he had experienced serving private aerospace and Department of Defense Special Directive task Forces. And this is the quote. The non human intelligence phenomenon is real. We are not alone. Gray said, Retrievals of this kind are not limited to the United States. This is a global phenomenon, and yet a global solution continues to elude us. So everybody's hiding it from us, Guys, everybody.

Everybody thought they were better and knew better for us and kept it to them. So now is it a matter of national security if everybody's got one. I'm thinking no. I think that somebody was really having a good old time having this knowledge. A lot of somebody's just my point, my opinion. That's that's all I'm just saying. Okay, all right. At the National Geospatial Intelligence Agency, Groos served as a

senior Intelligence Capabilities Integration Officer. It's a lot of big titles, cleared at the top secret forward slash secret compartmented information level, and was the agency's senior Technical advisor for Unidentified aerial Phenomena analysis forward slash trans medium issues. What man, I would have to like memorize what my title was if

that was me. It's just a lot, okay. From twenty sixteen to twenty twenty one, he served with the National Reconnaissance Office as Senior Intelligence officer and led the production of the NRO Director's Daily Briefing. Grousch was a GS fifteen civilian Wow, the military equivalent of a colonel. That's a high rank. Grusche has served as an intelligence officer for over fourteen years. A veteran of the Air Force, he has numerous awards and decorations for his participation in

covert and clandestine operations to advance American security. According to a twenty twenty one NRO performance report, Grousche was an intelligence strategist with multiple responsibilities who analyzed unidentified aerial phenomena

reports and boosted congressional leadership intel gaps in understanding. He was assessed by the Reconnaissance Office's Operation City Deputy Director as an adept staff officer and strategists and total force integrator and innovative solutions and actionable results like all of these these these these titles, they're they're in quotes, lots

of quotes, lots of quotes. It's just amazing. But so he analyzed unidentified aero phenomena, right, Yeah, that's what he did, and he was in charge of a lot of it. And I'll tell you right here, right now that I know that my father did something similar, and I believe it's the first time I'm speaking to that is right here on the air on my own show. Yeah, twenty three years Air Force running a NORAD station. That was my dad, yep, and didn't have a clue. Guys didn't

have a clue. Wonder what they held over his head. I don't know his family, you know, his security, his life. I don't know, pension, all that stuff. Who knows? I don't know because I didn't know. Okay, all right. Groosh prepared many briefs on unidentified aero phenomena for Congress while in government and help draft the language on UAP for the FY twenty twenty three National Defense Authorization Act, spearheaded

by Senators Kirsten Gillibrand and Marco Rubio. Yeah, his name is all over this stuff a lot, and signed it to law by President Biden in December of twenty twenty two. The provision states that any person with relevant UAP information can inform Congress without retaliation, regardless of any previous non disclosure agreements. A lot of people don't feel safe with that, still, go figure, I don't know, because slip and falls happen right.

In a statement cleared for publication by the Pentagon in April, Grush asserted that UFO legacy programs have long been concealed within multiple agencies, nesting UAP activities in conventional secret access programs without appropriate reporting to various oversight authorities. Oh boy, so a lot of stuff is just a ruse.

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to this story, because this is amazing. Leslie Keene Ralph Blumenthal wrote this onthdebrief dot org and I'm blown away. I'm blown away, And I'm also sharing about some of the things that my own family, my father also was involved with having been a senior noncommissioned officer for NORAD.

but it was. That was a huge program. A lot of people were involved. I have no memories of that. Was I taken and interrogated about craft and beings?

So the craft landed and they charged it. Huh, and retrieved the material for exploitation reverse engineering to garner asymmetric national defense advantages. Well that makes sense to do that, but yeah. Beginning in twenty twenty two, Grooshe provided Congress with hours of recorded classified information transcribed into hundreds of pages, which included specific data about the material's recovery program. Congress has not been provided with any physical materials related to

wreckage or other non human objects, now why not. Grush's investigation was centered on extensive interviews with high level intelligence officials, some of whom are directly involved with the program. He says the operation was illegally shielded from proper congression oversight and that he was targeted and harassed because of his investigation. Hmm, you know, guys, Arrow, okay, Arrow, that is a program that has been put on display to go through and

debrief everybody on their findings. And all they've been talking about is how eh, yeah, we looked, but nothing's really alien. You know, we're still talking about somebody's got some really cool stuff out there, right for the most part, That's what I'm hearing. And it's been frustrating. And this is what I mean. We're trusting the left hand while the right hand is just going, yeehaw, boy, we got some good stuff this time on this hall. We put our trust into what I mean, why would they be honest

all of a sudden? Why why would they take these steps forward all of a sudden? Is to control the narrative. Right, there's a lot of craft flying all over the place, and they've been really good at keeping it hushed up. But my goodness, enough is enough? Enough is enough. I'd known too many people sacrifice too much, including myself, just to allow this to keep happening. Is it really always defense? You know, I see how we could get a leg up, but the other folks around the world are doing the

same thing. So I don't know. You know, I see these old movies where people fall on the sword for their country, right, and I'm surprised there haven't been a whole ton more that just stepped forward right away and just said, hey, you know, we don't have to pay electric bills anymore because there is like this technology. You know, we don't have to have homeless because we can provide because we got this new technology and this other technolog she does this, and it does that, and it could

cover this for us. You know, I don't know. I'm just like, I think a lot of people have died over this subject, that it's the number one thing that's hidden in the world just so people can benefit secretly, not greatly, not hugely, you know, just individuals, just so they're okay, they're okay, what about the rest of us. We're paying the bills, right, Okay, all right, I'm gonna I'm gonna stop. I'm gonna keep going. I'm gonna keep going.

who are involved. Individuals on these up programs is the quote approached me in my official capacity and disclose their concerns regarding a multitude of wrongdoings such as illegal contracting against the federal acquisitions regulations and their criminality and the suppression of information across a qualified industrial base and academia, he stated, So that means like the professors and stuff, they all got this and they're all drooling over it

and having a good old time with it, talking among their big heads. You know who, we know something the rest of the world doesn't know because you know, we're underpaid. So we're gonna just hold this over their heads. Ah, this is just this is evil, guys, This is evil. This is evil. We know this is going on though, those of us in these fields. This is evil though. How mean can it selfish?

all right. Continuing, Chet, who vouch for Groose, said his information was highly sensitive, providing evidence that materials from objects of non human origins are in the possession of highly secret black programs. I guess they're now selling drugs anymore. It's just this, although locations, program names, and other specific data remain classified. I'm sorry, I said that. The I'm speaking from information that's been provided to the government, okay,

about government selling drugs for black projects. That's been investigated a gazillion times, hasn't it? All right? So continuing, All though locations, program names, and other specific data remain classified, the Inspector General and Intelligence Committee staff were provided with these details. Several current members of the recovery program spoke to the Inspector General's office and corroborated the information Groosh

had provided for the classified complaint. Grush left the government on April seventh, twenty twenty three, in order, he said, to advance government accountability. Well, all right, Grush through public awareness. He remains well supported within intelligence circles, and numerous sources have vouched for his credibility. I'm liking this guy his assertion,

but again, it's government. I'm sorry. His assertion concerning the existence of terrestrial arms race occurring subrosa over the past eighty years focused on reverse engineering technologies of unknown origin is fundamentally correct, as is the indisputable realization that at least some of these technologies of unknown origin derived from non human intelligence, said Carl Nell, the retired Army colonel

who worked with Groosh on the UAP task Force. In the twenty twenty two performance evaluation, Laura Potter, Deputy Chief of Staff for Intelligence Headquarters, Department of the Army, described now as an officer with the strongest possible moral compass. Groosh is represented by Charles mc mcgullough, the third senior partner of the Compass Rose Legal Group in Washington and the original Inspector General of the Intelligence Community, confirm the

US Senate in twenty eleven. At that time, McCullough, I hope I'm saying that right. Reported directly to the then Director of National Intelligence, James R. Clapper, and oversaw intelligence officers responsible for audits, inspections, and investigations. On May twenty twenty two, McCullough filed a Disclosure of Urgent Concerns complaint of reprisal on behalf of Groosh with the ICIG about detailed information that Groosh had gathered beginning in twenty nineteen

while working for the UP Task Force. An unclassified version of the complaint provided to US states at Groosh has direct knowledge that uIP related classified information has been withheld and or concealed from Congress by elements of the Intelligence Committee, and we heard that part to purposely intentionally thwart legitimate Congressional oversight of the UP program. All testimony Groosh provided for the classified complaint has provided under both Wow, I

cannot believe how huge this article is. There's so much more to read here, and I'm gonna kind of do it in little divisions. Come about that because I want to get some other comments in here. But you guys, you are listening to Dark Becomes Light with me Heidi Hollis on the iHeartRadio at Coast to Coast AM Paranormal Podcast Network.

about them for decades people decades. So continuing this article and then I'm going to go into some commentary on us, because wow is a mouthful, all right. So, according to the Unclassified Complaints, in July twenty twenty one, Brush had confidentially provided classified information to the Department of Defense Inspector General concerning the withholding of UAP related information from Congress.

He believed that his identity and the fact that he had provided testimony were disclosed to individuals and or entities within the Department of Defense and the intelligence community outside the IG's office. You don't say, hmm, I can't understand

why they would do such a thing. They have protections out there now, right, Yeah, he did not allege that this information was improper disclosed by any member of that office, but as a result Groosh suffered months of retaliation and reprisals related to these disclosures, beginning in twenty twenty one. He asked that details of these reprisals be withheld to

protect the integrity of the ongoing investigation. The Intelligence Community Inspector General found this complaint credible and urgent in July twenty twenty two. According to Grush, a summary was immediately submitted to the Director of National Intelligence, Avril Hines or Haines, the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence, and the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence. The complaint was drafted and signed

by McCullough and his managing partner. It ended with Grush's signature attached to his statement that I do solemnly affirm, under the policies of perjury, that the contents of the foregoing paper are true and correct to the best of my knowledge. A whistleblower reprisal investigation was launched, and Groosch began his committeecation with the staff of the Congressional intelligence

committees in private, closed door sessions. According to Groosh, certain information which he obtained in his investigation could not be put before congressional staffer is because they did not have the necessary clearances or the appropriate investigative authority.

is the quote. When you have multiple agencies nesting UAP activities in conventional SAPCAP programs, both as recipients of exploitation related insights and for operational reasons, without appropriate reporting to various oversight authorities, you have a problem, Groosh said, referencing the highly secret special access programs and controlled access programs.

Grush's willing us to take risks and speak appears to be emboldening others with similar knowledge who believe in greater transparency, like myself, as I'm doing right now talking about my father and his involvement with some things. But I can't prove anything, right, all right, So Jonathan Gray, the intelligence officer specializing UAP analysis at the National Air and Space Intelligence Center, is speaking publicly for the first time, identified

here under the identity he uses inside the agency. NASIK, headquartered in Wright Patterson Air Force Base, is a Department of Defence's primary Air Force source for foreign air and space threat analysis. My dad was over there. Its mission is to discover and characterize air, space, missile and cyber threats. According to the agency's website, the center's team of trusted subject matter experts deliver unique collection, exploitation, analytic capabilities not

found elsewhere. Gray said that such immense capabilities are not merely relegated to the study of the prosaic. This is a quote. The existence of complex historical programs involving the coordinated retrieval and study of exotic materials dating back to the early twentieth century should no longer remain a secret.

What did he say that? That's amazing. The majority of retrieved for ing exotic materials have a prosaic terrestrial explanation and origin, but not all in any number higher than zero in this category represents an undeniably significant statistical percentage. It is unusual for an Air Force insider to come forward, as the Air Force has been less forthcoming than other agencies with regard to UAP. And this is a quote.

A vast array of our most sophisticated sensors, including space based platforms, have been utilized by different agencies, typically intriplicate to observe the accurately identify the out of this world nature, performance and design of these anomalous machines, which are then determined not to be of earthly origin. It's not something Melon.

The former Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense for Intelligence, has been instrumental in arranging classified briefings for members of Congress and other officials about UAP, which include references to exotic retrieved materials. The first briefing he facilitated on retrievals of Unexplained Objects was provided to staff members of the Senate Armed Services Committee on October twenty first, twenty nineteen, and to staff members of the Senate Intelligence Committee two days later,

as reported by The New York Times. We all remember that, don't we. So Mellon says that once the members of Congress gain greater awareness of the information provided to their staff and the Inspector General, they will be in a position to quickly determine the truth if they have the will to do so. So they got to still determine the truth. Huh wow. This is an unprecedented oversight challenge for the committees. But I believe we have leaders in Congress who are up to the task. Mellan said, whoo

oh boy. I really want to end it there, I do, I really do, but I want to talk to one part of this article. Doctor Gary Nolan, a professor in the Department of Pathology at Stanford University and renowned inventor and entrepreneur with more than three hundred published papers, has started over half a dozen companies based on technologies out of his laboratory. Nolan has previously applied some of those technologies to the analysis of exotic materials, publishing the first

peer reviewed paper examining such materials. And this is the quote. Human civilization was utterly transformed by something as small as a grain of silicon, creating the underpinning of the integrated circuits that underlie computation and now even artificial intelligence. Nolan said studying even small samples of purported anomalous material could lead to currently inconceivable benefits for humanity. He said, this is the quote. What might be represented here could be

hundreds of technology revolutions ahead of us. It could be more transformative for humanity than what the microprocessor accomplished. Imagine what we could do with even a grain of knowledge about how they operate. Well, I think it was already stated in here that different universities and those within them were given this material already, right, So probably hasn't Stanford

has to be up the top of the list with it. So, but I don't think everybody's comfortable in speaking to all that they know just yet, not naming any names, just saying because somebody's got this, somebody has this information. I mean, my own father did and didn't say a word, did not say a word, and he wasn't believed or trusted either. So hey, let's go interrogate her his daughter. Yeah, so where are we going with this? This is the last

quote I want to read from here. I hope this revelation serves as an ontological shock, sociologically and provides a generally uniting issue for nations of the world to reassess their priorities grushe said, And again this from Leslie Keane. Ralph Bloomenthal with Helen Cooper co authored on this. You know, there's so much, there's so much to unpack here, guys, we all knew well I was talking about it. Anyways.

You can't fully trust if there is a government entity controlling this message when they have harassed people in these fields for decades, harassed guys, I mean, been all over their lives saying, you know, I'm gonna burn down your fields farm. You're going to speak to that crash over there in Roswell, I'm going to do this to you. I'm going to do that to you. It's sad and terrific. If they could do those things, there's an agenda and

there's a controlled message no matter what. So as our governments tried to wrangle how to display the truth about aliens and their existence and all that they have been doing with them for so very long, let's look at what the Church has said about this. So there was a Time magazine article Elizabeth Dias wrote May fourteenth, twenty fourteen. Pope Francis brought up Martians as he was preaching about

a specific New Testament story. Early Christians were wondering if Jews and Gentiles could associate, and God gave the apostle Peter a vision that salvation extended beyond the deepest cultural divides. It was a moment of internal crisis for the early church. Quote that was unthinkable. Francis explained and to show just how unthinkable it was. He added, if, for example, tomorrow an expedition of Martians came and some of them came

to us. Here Martians right green with that long nose and big ears, just like children paint them, and one says, but I want to be baptized, what would happen? The church today should learn from the early church. France has explained that it cannot close its doors to anyone that which God has purified, as a scripture says, no one can call profane. It was never the ministry to close the door.

the bottom of another fabulous program. Don't forget to go to Shadowfolks dot com and also check out the outlanderscomic dot com and follow me on all the social media, at one Heidi Hollis and at the Outlanders comic. This is this is thought provoking stuff. Guys. We really need to think about what is going on here? What is the prize? What is it that people are aiming for? God is good. God creates and aliens exist, and.