Episode 124: A Brief History of Mediumship & Words from Legendary Medium Paul Jacobs

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prove the existence of life after death. Each episode will discuss the reasons we now know that our loved ones have survived physical debt and so will we. Welcome to Shades of the Afterlife. Someone asked me this past week via email where the best medium training comes from. Is it the Canadians, Is it the Australians? Is it the Americans, is it our friends in the UK? And basically I wrote her back with where I think all great mediumship

comes from. So I want to start this episode with just a few facts and figures that you may not know about, and then you're going to hear some words from a great medium of today. Way back when, in the mid eighteen hundreds, there were a pair of sisters called the Fox Sisters, who were said to hear some wraps and taps within their home, and they created a system to communicate with this being who is giving them

the raps and taps. You can do some research on the Fox Sisters, but that is said to where modern day spiritualism begins. Shortly after that, there is a lady named Maria B. Hayden that was a reverend and a doctor. She took this information over to the UK and basically introduced this spiritualism around eighteen fifty two. The late eighteen hundreds, talking to the deceased through mediumship was in its heyday, but it wasn't the mediumship we think of today, which

we call evidential mediumship. It was people sitting in home circles singing, inviting the spirit world to come in the mediumship of those days was called trance and physical mediumship. If you feel like going back to some of my earlier episodes, episode number three was about Sir Arthur Conan Doyle. You remember him right, wrote Sherlock Holmes books. Well, in the late eighteen hundreds, he gave up Sherlock Holmes to

write about and participate in spiritualism. Also in episode seventeen, I introduce to you words from Dan Ackroyd from Ghostbusters and his father Peter talking about the grandfather who participated in these meetings also known as seances back in the eighteen hundreds and what was experienced. There were some amazing mediums that came out of this time. One world famous medium was by the name of Estelle Roberts, and also during that time was a medium by the name of

Fanny Higginson. Estelle was a medium who could do trance sittings. She had the power of physical mediumship, but also evidential mediumship. Fanny Higginson was also a trance medium and could sit in circle and give people evidential messages. Back on episode ninety, I introduced you to medium Martin Twycross, who told a lot in that episode about great mediums of the past,

including Estelle and Gordon Higginson. Now Fanny Higginson was the mother of Gordon Higginson, and when she was just fourteen years old, she sat with one of these trance mediums who told her a couple of things. One that by the time she arrived home that she would find her mother deceased, which was true, and also that she herself would give birth to a boy who would end up being one of the all time great mediums. Fanny did

become a medium. She trained her son Gordon from a very young age and I can't even imagine this, but there were times that she blindfolded him and plugged his ears so that he could develop that personal connection with the spirit world. She started training him at the age of three actually, and by the age of twelve they called him the boy Wonder for being able to give

this communication from the deceased. Gordon, of course, really honed his own personal skills as a trance medium, a physical medium, and an evidential medium. And whether it's Canada, Australia, the United States, England or some other area in the world, I personally believe the very best mediumship with integrity comes from his teachings. Although Gordon Higginson passed to spirit in nineteen ninety three, you can still see videos of him lectures and get a whole bunch of really good information

at Gordon Higginson dot co dot uk. You've met Carrie McLeod and Philip Dikes several times on the show. Their mediumship stems from his teachings and by the way, this week our new classes start with them. So if you want to come along and start a journey to experience mediumship what it's like, come on along. Of course you can find that at We Don't Die dot com. A great medium who studied under Gordon Higginson, Mavis Potila, migrated to the spirit world the end of twenty twenty two.

She was someone who personally trained with Gordon Higginson. I want you to hear some words of another person who personally trained with Gordon Higginson. This is medium Paul Jacobs, who is known as one of the great mediums alive today. Different times in my life I had experiences as a young boy under young man, not realizing that I was

a medium. I just thought it was the places I was residing at that time were haunted and they were ghosts, and then when I came to my mid twenties, these experiences sort of became intensive, and they were very objective experiences, and they actually scared the living daylights out to me. I would even get up in the middle of the

night and put myself in a hotel. And one day I was walking down this road which I'd walked down many times before, and suddenly stopped and turned and saw this building which said Spiritualist Church, and the lights were on and people were going in. So I thought, oh, I'll go in and see what's going on there. I had no clue what was going to happen. And these two ladies came onto the platform, one which I know now is the president of the church, and the other

lady was the medium. And as they sat there, I looked at the lady who was the medium, and I thought, I know that lady from somewhere off way through the demonstration, she came to me with the contact, and then through that contact, she suddenly stopped and she says, I know you don't time, and I says yes, and she said your office. So I said, yes, that's correct, and she says, it's not fair for me to carry I'm giving you a contact publicly. I'll have a word with you afterwards.

And the means him turned out to be migrator on my father's arms. And about six weeks later she rang me and she says, are you still going to the church? I said, I have been, but I'll be honest, I don't think it's to me. It's a little bit rubbish what I'm hearing. I don't think much to it. And she said, well, on Sunday, I'm going to long and Spiritualist church, Gordon Higginson's church, which meant nothing to me. She says, would you like would you like to come

with me? So I said yes, I'll come with you. And when we got to the church, Gordon Higginson was standing outside and she introduced me to him and we shook hands and I heard these words in my mind, you're going to become friends. Six weeks later, my aunts passed and I went to the funeral service, which the crematorium was only ten minutes down the road, and I arrived two hours early. Part of my car I looked over and there was Gordon Higginson sitting in his car.

He was going to be taking the service and invite him to sit with him, and he says, young man, I can help you. And that was the beginning and the start of my journey. I think if I had not met him at the beginning of my journey, I don't think I would have stayed in this subject. I decided to book to go to the college and one of Gordon Higginson's winks and on the Fursday evening the introduction, he said, we're not going to have an introduction, We're

going to begin works right away. Could I have a volunteer to come out and work? And nobody volunteered, and he said, you're all a waste of time. I don't know why you bothered coming. You've been given an opportunity and you don't take it. Paul out you can. So I came and at that STA, I haven't sat in

any classes. All I was doing was sitting in a group for self awareness and self development because gordining isn't believed that was the foundation to begin your development, and also building and finding a recognition and a relationship with that power of God that's within you. So that was the first stage. But actually on medi mystic awareness and psychic exercises, I do not think. So I came out onto the platform. Man and I would like you to make a contact. That says me, I don't know it

to do it. And he gave me no instructions. You know, he didn't say, right, relact yourself through you, breathe in exchange, or do this as I don't know what to do, says just ask who's there. Without having any previous knowledge or understanding, my mind went down to the depths of one's soul and simply just cried out to God, help give me what this man wants. And I heard the words farther in my head, and I didn't know whether

it was the spirit world or not. And I had no problem expressing it because I wasn't scared of it not being the spirit would because I'd actually gone to prove I wasn't a met you. So I said, it's somebody's father. So he said, and who would he like to speak to? And I said, I don't know. He says, ask and allow their power to move you to where they want to go. So I did the same process again.

This one lady in the audience seemed to stand out, this young blonde lady, and I said, the lady there, and she says, yes, my father's in the spirit world. And then Gordon Higgins and said, and what does he want to say? Again? I did the same process, went to the depths of my soul, asked and the words came into my mind. I've only just passed and I've left my daughter half a million pounds in my will. And she says, yes, that's correct. But what more simpler?

Go to awaken that God power? Ask God who's there, who they want to speak to, what they want to say.

If we all learn that simple thing right from the beginning, we wouldn't have the problems and difficulties in our leadership as we do today, and we'd have a better quality of you know, see what's happened over the years with meetingship, and I've been at fault with it as well, is that, you know, because the shoes are wanted to so much know all the mechanics of it, and then we're trying to structure is importance and giving them all these techniques

and structures. But what we've done is taken away the naturalness. And even I had to awaken myself about that. And that's why quite often when I go into demonstrations. You hear the same style, the same type of evidence, time and time and time again. We're going to take this opportunity to have our break before hearing more words from Paul Jacobs, who is one of the last remaining mediums

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Shades of the Afterlife. I'm Sandra champlain and I'm sharing with you a conversation I had with Paul Jacobs, who is the only medium I know today left that has studied in try rained with the Great Gordon Higginson. Many mediums today are teaching this laundry list of information to get from someone in the spirit world. And I don't know who first came up with that, but it is

not to be followed. How did you die, what was your illness, how tall were you, what color hair did you have, etc. So I want to share with you what Paul has to say about this. Soon of the shooters I've tried and teachers I've trained, they used to say, Paul, we're going to go into a demonstration and say, oh, you've seen me enough times. Listen, No, we want to come. And I said why because we find it interesting the way you begin to contact. And I said, what do

you mean. I said, with you, you never know what you're going to begin with. It's so different. You don't have a set passion of what evidence is going to come. And I don't because when I work for the spirit world and ready to work, I just simply say, I surrender, I trust, bring me whatever evidence you want to bring in whatever way I can receive it. So I don't decide what evidence or wants and I don't decide the

way I'm going to receive it. They know what to bring and they know what I'm capable of receiving through which faculty at that particular time. So when we're working communicating with people's loved ones, I believe in Veny was trying to get a soul to soul blending. So it's as if they're not possessing you, but it's if there's that merging of the souls of you and the communicator, and it's if within you you become the essence and

the power of them. You can even take on their mannerisms with it, and then we can bring that, you know, the essence of them, the quality of them, how that maybe relationship was lived and shared between the communicator and the recipients. But then I believe then we have the helpers go to whatever you wish to call them. Who Well, then when there is maybe more specific, particular type of evidence to guess across, they will then sometimes bring that

in through the Claire volumes and the Claire audience. Yeah, I don't believe personally that when we cross over that we have all knowledge of the entire verse. Certainly not certainly, you know, I think a lot of spirits disa going to be in for a little bit of a shock, to be honest with you. You know. So if we look when we physically die, we have this etheric body then, which is a replica of physical body without the disease.

So we are in a level of consciousness or the world that is called the etheric world, which is a replica of this world. So within that etheric world there's still many many different levels of awareness and consciousness. And I believe the authentic Wilt is a copy of this world. So for those who have not maybe full field our full earthly time, we can still in that world fulfill that we didn't have the time to manifest within this world.

So if you've got a son in the spirit world who was, you know, aiming to be a professional footballer, and they've got a talent, it can continue and to fulfill. That's that potential and that's that dream. And I also think it's a place of adjustment as well. So what we've got to look at, even though it's the spirit world,

is a state of being and mind. The etheric world is as real and solid to our family in the spirit world as this one is to you and me, So you know, so you know, we've I realized I was so fortunate the spirit world people took me through the process of what it was like to die and move into the spirit world. And when I've moved into the ethnic world, it wasn't clairvoyains that actually took me

through the process and the experience. So when I arrived at the level of the Eutheric world, most conscious of my father, and were to meet my father, then I heard this voice, one of the guy. I'd say to me, Paul, we'd like you to come with us, and I says, no, thank you. I'm staying here once, stay with my father and they said, no, you cannot. I said, will come, my father, come with us, and they said, no, where we want to thank you, the light will be too

bright for him. So they took me to another level of consciousness which my father wasn't ready to reach. So I'm in this physical world. He's in the spirit world. And I could still reach a higher level of consciousness in the spirit world that my father could. So it all depends on the levels of consciouness we reside in and expressing will depend on our own development and expression and consciousness of our own own spirit. And this is

why spiritual is. Once we have the knowledge of understanding we have actually we have greater responsibility and personal responsibility to live to the highest thing that is within us to the best of our ability. Okay, we're u when we're still going to have frailties, we're not going to

be able to express it perfectly. But we need to start that process here and now, within this life, not wait until we physically life to be able to grow and perfect that expression of the spirit, which is that something divine, that power we know and understand of God. That's within us all a little bit about that God, source of the divinity inside anything. Yes, certainly. So what we've got to look at we've got the physical body.

Then beyond the physical body, we've got the etheric body, and numerous lighter bodies which we shed as we grow and progress in the expression. And then we have the soul, and we may get we'll get to a stage eventually where we will lose shape and fall, but we will still have individuality because we'll be purely soul. And then the soul is the vehicle of the spirit and the emotion and the higher mind and consciousness. Because as medium as we supposed to give evidence that there's another mind,

another intelligence behind that communication. So the mind of the spirit within the soul is nothing to do with the brain or the physical body. And I believe within each of us there is that God particle that each of us have to touch, and I believe every true medium has to touch that God part at least once. And it's by touching that God particle we awaken that power of the Spirit. I believe it's the same power that runs through you, me, the bird, the flower, and the tree.

But then that power is individualized in its expression through our soul's journey. I don't believe we're here to perfect the spirit. But if that spirit is of something of God, then that perfection is already there. It is being able to express that perfection. That's something divine in every action, in our thoughts, in our feelings, in our words, in our deeds. And like I said, none of us are going to make that perfect, but it's being able to recognize.

And this is very much the point that Gordon was, and also very much he tried to get across to me, was this reality of this living power that's divine that we know as God, but for to be part of your Dad. He believed in making God your best friend, sharing all that you are all the time with God. Just a little funny story. We were doing and taking in the platform in the church ready for the harvest ft up. So him and myself were pretting all the produce out and he was at the one end and

I was at the other end. And it was quite a large platform, it so quite a distance. And I got down to this last bag of oranges, and every time I put the last orange on, they all fell off. I tried several times and I was cussing and swearing under my breath, and then all of a sudden I heard good and say Paul, And I turned round and he looked at me and he says, don't swear at them. Now. He didn't physically hear him. It swear, It says, speak

to them with love. They are seeds of God. And he walked over it, picked the last orange up, placed it there, and they just stayed perfectly. I don't seems a little silly story, but that was his conviction of him living the power and the relationship of God. And that was the difference with it. It wasn't just the quality of his meadingship. It was the power that was

there and that emanated from him. You know, when he used to come to the mouth of Finland College, say maybe portway through the course, you could feel the atmosphere begin to change as he got closer to the college. It was unbelievable. You know, you'd only have to be within his company, in his presence and you'd feel something different.

It's and I'm not exaggerating, you know. Even even my mother, who's a strong Catholic, played sometimes she'd say to me, are you going to churse today, Paul, and I'd say yes, and she'd say it's Gordon Higginson going to be there, and I'd say yes, but he's not taking the service. And she says that's okay, and she's I'll come with you. I said, well, why does he have to be there, he's not taking the demonstration or the speaking. She's poor.

I only have to see him standing there and does no matter how ill I feel or how depressed I am, I feel well the game that was the power he had. How can we get in touch with that God's source within us and what our souls meant to do. That's a very good point to bring to bring up, you say, because this recognize in this power and developing this power, having this relationship with Mesim of God is not just for mediums. Actually, it's what the message of medingship is

all about. Yes, we're here, and I'd love to be able to help those who are grieving for that physical loss. Yes, help people who seek with a healing touch. But yes, maybe help people who've got problems and difficulties. But the greater messaging is and beyond the mediumship, and this is where often we are failing. And I will do something myself as well, so please, I'm not just speaking about

everybody else. If Medingship is doing its real job, serving its real purpose, it is through that communication from spirits and our spirit touching and awakening the spirit of the recipient. So I will then have a change take place and make them searge to find their own reality of that power of the eternal spirit and how we can be part of their life and help them in their life. We'll go on to our break in just a moment, but just consider that light, that divine spark, the God source,

whatever you want to call it, is very real. Something breathed life into us, something has the trees grow, the flowers grow, and tapping into it while we're here and continuing the journey after we migrate to the other side. We do all want to tap into the source. So we'll hear more about that when we come back with Paul Jacobs. You're listening to Shades of the Afterlife on the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast, a paranormal podcast network.

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am dot com and starts your free listening. Now you're listening to the iHeart Radio and Coast to Coast DAM paranormal podcast ups and now back to Sandra Champlain and Shades of the Afterlife. Welcome back to Shades of the Afterlife I'm Sandra Champlain and we are listening to some inspiring words from medium Paul Jacobs, who is the only one I know that is left as a student of

the great teacher Gordon Higginson. He was speaking about this divine light that burns within each one of us, our connection to the source, to God, and we don't need to be a medium to be fueled by it, so let's continue. You know, we don't want everybody to be mediums, got to help us if everybody was, we don't want that.

We want people in all walks of life, whether it's somebody expressing that power simply has been the most wonderful mother in the world, politicians, our businessmen, our teachers and medical profession If that could do with all all expressed with that power of that divinity that's there and the source we are in, what a difference. And if we can also individually you don't have to be a medium, can develop that power it will all and listen to

that soil and still intuitive voice within the soul. We could actually make all mediums redundant. We don't need them, because then the spirit will can help us individual that power will be able to move us directors uphold us in all that we are and in all that we do. It's the same with prayers. God's got no hands and

feet to answer our prayers. So the only way God can answer those prayers is why people who have got that away and who could be moved by that power be moved into the path from the place of that person asking the prayer, or the person who's asking the prayer being hammer to be moved by that power into the path of the person who can help them. I'll just share another little story with you, because it's part

of what we're speaking about. I was driving along with Good and Hinginston in the car and I was telling him how I slept with an accident of a bit, and he said, you sleep with an acupidness, and that's a little bit silly. Why do you do that? That's it one of my holmes burgle to I'm scared of it's happening, the game and happening, particularly if I'm holding better sleep at night. Tom And he says, Paul, you who are silly? He says, do you not realize how

well protected you are? Nothing untoward will ever happen to you in life? I thought and tested cancel all my life insurance, take out extra pension. And then he added, and I'd never told him this, he said, and even in your car, and he didn't know that. I'd also got this fear that I would die in a car accident because my father did, my grandmother did, got the close friends did. And I hope, Wow, this is wonderful. Nothing going towards going to help happen to me. So

when I arrived at I was thinking about it. So I sat and I thought, and I said, to the spirit world, that's very nice, all very well for me, But why me and not everybody else. I'm no more important, I'm no more special than anybody else. And the answer I got back from the spirit was, we try to do the same for everyone, but we are limited by you as individuals on how which we can influence you through the power, so that what the spirit world can do for me can do for you and everybody else.

If we waken that power and have that relationship with it, well, it's a great story. I'm starting to get teared up. I grew up going to Catholic school, Catholic never even now have not developed that relationship with God. And I got this image that I've had this silent friend walking in my life by my side the whole time, always here, always ready, And it really is as simple as just

asking that's right. Sometimes. You know some of the students and says people you know you seem to be able to stay out your conscious mind quite easily when you're working with the spirit world and be able to stay with the spirit. I said yes, because I'm not doing anything unnatural. When I'm living my everyday life. I'm experiencing it not just in my conscious mind, but with my soul and the ingredients within the soul, so I'm not

doing anything different. Thank you for sharing that. Paul, You've been a guest medium on some of our Sunday gatherings and also some other private demonstrations. Some evidence really seems evidential. Can you talk a little bit about the evidence that comes through you see as somebody listening to a contact, and as the medium, we cannot judge what is good evidence or not. Again, I'll just give you a little story. It's one of my favorite ones. I've been seeing this

lady and given as several private sittings. Her daughter was in the spirit world, and then it's just to bemplshus, my husband is just falling apart. If we can't do anything with him. Would you see him for me? I said, yes, I will, and he came. She brought him and because I've given several sittings already to the wife, I was like searching for what evidence I can get. Differently, I was trying to find the most practical evidence, strongest evidence I could to convenience him. And it was just and

I thought, I'm not succeeding here at all. So I just said to the daughter, I said, is there something else you'd like to give before we bring the sitting to the clothes And she gave me something, and I said to the father, I said, I want to say some words from your daughter to you. They're not evidence. I cannot prove them, but she just simply wants to say you're the best father in the world and she wouldn't change you for anything. And he just absolutely broke out.

I turned to the wife. I said, where have I said? What have I done? She has pulled? You don't realize the last time we saw her before she killed in the accident, we told her he wasn't her real father. And a reply back to him was the best father in the world. I wouldn't change you for anything. That was their last word, their last conversation. And there's messy. It's not evidence. And then if you've been listening in a demonstration, you'd have thought I was just being all

sweet love and light. Not evident. The father comes to hurt anything better, you know, at one in a demonstration, I knew this young girls. She only looked about sixteen seventeen eighteen the most. And I knew she was going to have a contact or I wasn't going to force it. And it was the last contact. And I went to her and I said, you've listened to the contacts I've given this evening. I'm not going to be giving all that type of information to you. I just want you

to know your father's here. He walked through the front door. He never came back. And it wasn't your fault. Didn't give her anything else. She didn't need anything else. She was an absolute tears. The whole room was in tears. There was nothing else need to be seent. So this is what we've got to be careful of as teachers, in this controlling and this limitation of what the spirit

world wants to express. Yes, we do have to give up techniques and structure to present it in a certain way, but really there's got to be that surrender of what they want to bring and what we incapable of receiving. They know they know us inside out. Paul, could you talk a little bit about symbolism. A lot of mediums use it. A balloon must mean a birthday. Symbology is important, and there's different types of symbology, but I often see symbology used as an excuse to cover up being wrong,

you know. So they might say, show you a railway track and they say, oh, your father works on the railway lines. No, then it's symbolic then, and they want to say you've got to stay on track. And you see the trouble is, you know. Even I do use symbology, I use it in two ways. One way, they will sometimes get practical evidence off through a symbolic object, like they might show me they shown me a joy of Robinson jam because they wanted to get the name of

Robinson across. I remember being in Italy and I was given the lady from her husband now sorry, from her father, and he had been accepted, and then all of a sudden, I saw this horse, and I could have easily made the mistake of saying, no, it's a symbol of strength of your father out at horse, and I didn't. I said to the translator, what's the word for horse in Italian? And she said Cavalier. So I said to the recipient, your father connected to people by the name of Cavalier,

and she says, that's our family name. So there is symbody, but it has to be an evidential, practical way. Then what the spirit world will do for me. Sometimes they will bring me clairvoyant evidence, which is evidence of the communicator, which then I can use symboli to lead me into the message. So saying I gave you a man of contact from his grandfather, I spoke about the silver coin that was mint condition in a presentation box that he had belonged into his grandfather, and then the spirit will

day in which he accepted an acknowledge. Then the spirit world wanted to use that to lead me into the message that they'd come to speak and help him about his financial situations. You've got to be experiencing have a mind to do this. That will give me some weird and wonderful ones, you know, they might give you things. I remember all I could see was I was watching a movie, King Kong, the film Yeah, and I could see Kingong hanging from the Empire State building and holding

the lady in his hand. And I said that I wanted somebody hear a lady in the audience here who links with the name of King. And this lady put a hand up, and I said, you have an ex boyfriend partner that love it in the spirit world. Yes, I said, you spent time in New York in my matter with each other. Yes, he was in the film industry. Yes, all from that one picture. So that's symbolic for it's still factual evidence. So there are times, there's quite often

I will get a stained glass. So I've got the stained glass window from my church, the Good Shepherd, which is really Jesus with the Lambs, you know, which is simbilarized in the little children. So sometimes they will give me there to tell me that there's a child in the spirit world, a small child, not a miscarriage, but a child that actually touched the earth that didn't stay.

But every time I have that calm, it doesn't always mean that, so I have to not presume it's automnatically going to meet and to other times it could be purely a stained glass window. It could be simply the psalm that the good shepherds. So you know you're going to be capable of having one symbol that means the same thing every time. I've had two different occasions when they're showing with the picture of Dracula, but I didn't

give the same evidence. The one was a lady from Holland and her husband was communicating, and from the image of draft that I was drawn to two particular points where Dracula was from and the blood plots on the neck. So I said, your husband died with blood plotting. Yes, I said, your husband also had linksus in Holland to Romania,

and my husband was Romagnian. This is a good time to take our break, but it's fascinating this language of the soul and how the spirit world puts pictures into our minds for evidence that need to be unraveled, so to speak. We'll be back with more stories from Paul Jacobs when we get back. You're listening to Shades of the Afterlife on the iHeartRadio and Coast Coast AM Paranormal Podcast Network. Did you know that Tessa could save your

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Weird Joshua pe Warren. Don't forget to check out my show Strange Things each week as I bring you the world of the truly amazing and bizarre right here on the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast am Paranormal Podcast Network, and now more Shandra on the iHeartRadio one Coach to Coach Damn Paranormal Podcast Network. Welcome back to Shades at the Afterlife. I'm Sandra's champlain. You can find out more about our guest at his website medium Paul Jacobs dot com.

And what a pleasure it is to hear his stories. So he was just about to tell the second story when Dracula showed up in his mind giving a medium reading. Then on another time in Italy I've got this. All I've got kept seeing was like this movie in Dracula in his coffee and somebody pretty mistake through his heart. What the hell am I going to do with this? I can get nothing else, I said, Roy, who are you? Where'd you want to go? I've got dad. I know he was a young man. On the background, I said,

your father's in the spirit world. Yes, I said, your father died in his sleep in bad with a heart attack. Yes, I said, your father in some way was involved with films. Yes, my father worked at the cinema. And then it was if I'd got the stake and hammer in my hand, and I wanted to start chiseling, I said, an in your spare time, your father used to make sculptures, and you've got one that is only half finish that belonged to him. So you see what you've got to realize.

It is like learning another language, and there is a shorthand. And I also teach that the spirit world will often give you as little as possible, to give you as much as possible. But I understand the point where you were coming from, So so I want to get across. The symbology is important, but we can't use it in this silly way of being a cover up, an excuse

for me be wrong. You know, the spirit world aren't going to go all that trouble and the difficulty for you to manifest this clear void picture just to be symbolic for personality and character. It doesn't make sense. It's easier just to feel and sense the personality and character. And then we've got to just make sure that we're not too close mind and try and use that symbol as the same thing every time. I know there's a lot of people do that. Would I would break that

happif if I got that in my mediumship. I'd want to PreK that, Paul, we are not all cut out to be mediums or we just don't want to be. Can the spirit world use us in our lives in other ways? But you know, an artist, a musician, a gardener that you can touch and bring a difference to somebody's son just as much as the medium. You know, we're not going to get any extra points when we get to heaven because we've been a medium. We want people to be in. You can inspire people from all

aspects out of life. You know, I can a good friend of mine. She passed three years ago. She was ninety nine when she passed, and she was at the church for over fifty years. She was the church healing receptionist. She was the church treasurer, she was the church organist after fifty after remer, just before the fifty years, she says to me, Paul, I'm toyed. Do you think I've done enough to pay God back for the healing I

had from Gordon? Because when she was forwards, if she had cancer and she went to the church for healing, yeah, and Gordon, it's in Gordon Higinson's book. He was doing a lecture and Marjorie and my friend's name was Marjorie's sitting on the front row and he says, you see, Marge, you will never be a media and a fair sort of like. Didn't like him saying that publicly, but then he turned to everybody and looked at everybody says, put home.

She does love God so much, so, you know, she served the spirit world probably far more than many mediums did by being the healing receptionist, you know, by being the organist at the church, by looking after all the finances through the church, helping the fund raising events, she's not less as spiritual than the medium. She's probably more because she gave it freely and she did it in thanks for what she'd received from God through the power

of the spirit in the healing. Oh, I feel the same way, just what I'm doing, And yes, I like to dabble and take courses, but I love this. I feel so much joy and I get to serve and share. I love to share. So what you're doing, Sundra, it's just as important as any medium, because you know it is through people like you or people who organize more practical courses everywhere. Without you, we couldn't do my work,

you know. So you know that we will be able to do anything without meadenship and experiences, our knowledge, our understanding. If we haven't got people like you, that helps us a greas opportunities for us to be able to express it and share and touch other people. And in return, I get so much joy and love and it's great and I can still explore what I want to explore instead of the beginning talking about training people in awareness first,

and that's how youth started. That's right, you know, And you know sometimes there's no there's no need to keep having to be with a teacher for everything all the time, you know. So in my early time, you know, I sat with a small group of four other people for this, just going within my own soul. And then I would

then do it every day on my own. And then it was about twelve months and then Gordon Higgins and said you're now ready to begin, you know so and then even even with courses, you know that there are people who come to the hearth within the college and they come quite ready, you know, all times a year and I'll say to them, you know, well what have you done since you came last time? Nothing? I said, well, it's going to be starting from the beginning a game.

And a lot of people come on courses, then what you've given them they've done nothing with in the in between time, so them coming back, you know, And sometimes you can't do too many courses. I only used to do two courses a year. But what I would do is take where I'd learned from that course back to my personal development circle and then go back six months later to see how I'd incorporated it and what stage was next for me or what was my weakness is

what was my strengths? And then Also, you know, I'm not going to be the right teacher for everybody. No teachers, okay, you're not. Every students can be the right for us. Every teacher has got something to offer. But I think in the beginning, yes, you maybe need to experience one or two a few different one us. But I think they've got to come a point where if you keep running to too many different teachers, do too many courses with too many different teachers, you end up in a

confused state and miss you know. It's like if I might be at the college in St. Stead and often nar take the advanced groups or the professional groups and mediums, and I'll say, you know, that's not good what you're doing. And yes, for the last time we came here, we were told to do that. And I said, well, in my eyes, it's not good. It's helps to you. You're

going to make up your own mind. I said this way to try my way, take it home, digest it, and then decide whether my way willin acial mediumship or or you want to go back to what you were given last time. It's your choice. But then I always as we don't just choose the easy option. We could have struggle we're going to have difficult even as a professional medium for thirty years. I'll still have my contacts,

I'll struggle with I'll still have a city. I might still have ant city, and I think scrape the barrel. I might have Wow, that was fantastic, Yeah, that was okay. And there might even be the odd one. I'm saying, Look, it's obviously it's not working. I'm not happy with it, or it's obvious you're not happy. Let's call it today. Are the arrange another time for you or the arrange one with the colleague, And let's be honest, you know,

because with this there's no guarantee. We never know from one content one sitting, one demonstration to the next on to how it's going to be, you know, and there's so many ingredients. You know, not all the communicators are good communicators. I never know from one to the next heir receptive I'm going to be at that time, and also the recipient, all the audience can make a difference as well. So I always say for it to really work well, it needs all three to play their part.

I know it's difficult for many of us to fully comprehend and understand that in reality. The physical is the illusion.

The spirit is the reality, and that is eternal. And if within our own souls and consciousness we can grasp and live that reality, those difficulties and pain, whether it's grieve, health or this material life that affect us would not have the effect if we could accept that reality, because if we look at this life journal in the earthly world, that it is only a grain of sound in the desert to our total experience of eternal life and expression

of the Spirit. And if we could live that reality, except that reality, then you would find that this life, whatever came out our way, we'd always have the strength and the power to carry us, move us and live and enjoy whatever has happened to us, the experience of life and the expression of the Spirit and the eternal soul and behalf of all of us. I want to thank Paul Jacobs for sharing these words with us today.

I'm really left with the picture of God or the Source or this light and having this relationship no matter where we are on the journey, if we are fifty six years, in ninety five years, in twenty five years in we're at the perfect place exactly where we need to be. Whatever your passion is if it's fueled with love, making a difference for others following your joy, you can't go wrong. And I do believe we are supported, I

said earlier. If you're interested in mediumship, we do the classes online and it's kind of nice in the privacy of your own home to sit in a virtual development circle. But the spirit world works with us just the same. We don't need to be physically together. So if you want to join us anytime, you're welcome to join our circle. Just go to we Don't Die dot com. So link you can click on the top of the page that says at home courses and you can join one that's

in progress or wait till the next one starts. Can I ask for all of us that we slow down, that we give ourselves a pat on the back. We're just where we need to be, That we look around, that we get present to the miraculous life we are living. That we spend some time being grateful for it. And like Paul said earlier, he spent a year sitting in a development circle, not for mediumship, but just for self awareness.

Spend some time alone with your own soul in that quiet the voice you hear in your mind, maybe the voice of guidance from your soul or from a loved one. But we are supported, we are loved, and we really matter. So on behalf of myself, your loved ones, your spirit team. You are amazing, You are deeply loved. You are so special, and you are one of a kind. I'm Sandra Champlain and I'd like to thank you for listening to Shades of the Afterlife on the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast

AM Paranormal Podcast Network. And if you like this episode of Shades of the Afterlife, wait until you hear the next one. Thank you for listening to the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast AM Paranormal Podcast Network.