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I have had people that write about certain things concerning crystals, bigfoot, were wolves, you would name it, near death experiences. I mean, why limit it. It's all connected. So let's go there, Mom, wells going there. But anyways, you can hear in my voice, I'm a little bit sick. I'm overcoming some bad cooties. But it's okay, it's okay. I gotta tell you too. Today you're in for quite the treat I have. Lester Villez is going to be on the program today. Oh yes,

and what is he going to speak on? Opus? The Organization for paranormal understanding and support. Did you guys even know such a thing existed? I know, I didn't know for a very long time. They're very, very, very long time. So we're going to get into that and what that's all about. What inspired him to do this and create this organization and pull people together to do what help each other understand what's going on out there when it comes to these things out of the ordinary. It's so

very important. And if we don't come together, how are we going to learn? I keep telling people like, let me sit here with this unbelievable story and just hoard it. You know, people are like, what got you to get out here and speak on these things? Well, let's see. I grew up in a family where we didn't see, we weren't shy, we were not shy about what it is that we're experiencing because we're experiencing it right alongside of each other. And we treated horror movies like therapeutic sessions.

And I'm not kidding, like a movie wasn't a movie unless it was scary. And that's how we got to understand that. People understood the possibilities out there, what can happen? And I was healing. It sounds crazy, but it was healing, and we were very, very very thankful that we didn't experience anything like the Exorcist movie. That's all I could tell you, because you know, it's really isolating when you experience these things, and I don't know how to stress that.

It's so isolating. It could turn your world upside down. And if you don't have the support of friends or family or somebody around you, it could be absolutely depressing and you feel, you know, oppressed, and then you get possessed. It's it's sad. It's sad, and I hate hearing about it. I hate knowing these things are going on out there.

So I took the step forward to use me my life as an example of strange things can happen to regular, everyday people, and we can find answers, we can find resolution. We do not have to take what comes at us. No, don't. We don't have to always. Uh. It makes me so um, I don't even know, it's just this boiling in me when I hear people are like absolutely just feeling like victims,

and I get it. It's probably because they don't have the support and and you know who the heck wakes up one day, it's like, you know, I'm going to look into some demons today and see how to fight them. No, I mean, it's not a it's not a thing, you know, but a necessity. And when you're you're in the whole aura of fear, you really don't see a way out. And we're all about bringing dark into the light, right m dark become light? Uh huh, so don't mind me, um,

but yeah, that's a whole goal. And uh, you know, before I go on to um introducing our wonderful guests today, I have an email and it looks like it's short and sweet. So we'll see where this one brings us. Okay, and this one says Cecy. Well, it's interesting. First name Karen, and she begins and says, dear Heidi, I had a bad dream and woke up to this weird pattern on my ceiling. Okay, it was a shadow and looked like

a doily of all things. You guys know what a doili is, right, And its really highly patterned little stitchery that everybody's grandmother or stepmother made, as my stepmother did. Its kind of interesting. So the first thing that comes to mind when I think of doili's as those stringy patterns that were made in my home growing up. All right, and she continues, and I prayed it away. I rebuked it in the name of Jesus Christ. Well, all right, girlfriend,

and it slowly faded. Mm. One lady told me I or really I opened a portal, but I don't know how I did that. Strange that. That's that's the end of the email. Um hmm okay, So there's a lot too to believe it or not to unpack here. Uh why Well, first off, the thing that made me reflect on a on an incident that I personally had was with shadow orb looking things, right, and they kind of rose up to the ceiling and like as kind of you know, wishing praying these things away, they slowly faded.

So it's interesting that you're you're talking about a weird pattern on you and you're ceiling like that, and how it slowly faded away. But when I'm I'm reading this and how you rebuked it in the name of Jesus, I would say, sprinkle from Jesus on it. That's my that's my slogan. I wonder if anybody is steal that one now, um um, if something's too good and people

take it. It's like I have to get into something on that actually, um but yeah, um, but it's it's just uh, it's one of those those things that sprinkling some Jesus on it helps and and if it faded away, it couldn't have been good. Right, So it was black, and we associate something shadowed as being negative. Right, So good on you too, sprinkle some Jesus on it. But this part here, this is what bothers me. One lady

told me I opened a portal, but you don't know how. Um, he didn't write about it, So I'm assuming you really don't know how. I mean, you didn't put that one day you played with a Wigia Borrigin, didn't put that one day you thought, I'm just going to try this incantation and see if the devil shows up. You didn't mention any of that, so I'm assuming nothing was clear to you and you just put the words strange. I mean, that is strange. What's most strange is that somebody told

you that. How do they know you well enough to say, yep, you did it. I don't know you well enough to say that. I'm not a psychic. I don't know if the person that you're you're speaking of as a psychic. But either way, why why go there? Why say you did it? That's your fault. You earned that, you know. It's like I don't, I don't get that. I think

that was kind of wrong. I think that was a cheap shot, like, oh, well you did it yourself, so so oh well, It's like sometimes things just come leaking into a person's home through the neighbor, or somebody that delivered a package had some nasty mojo on them. These things happen, Or you were out at the good will and picked up something and it had some stink on it that was dark. It could have been haunted doily for all we know. That's funny. Let's hope not though.

I mean anything could be haunted, really, anything could be haunted. Why not? I mean, you just don't know who it was that owned something prior or if they use that black marker to draw a pentagram. We don't know. We don't know. Oh that makes me think, never pick up somebody's pen anymore or marker. But honestly, we don't. So to say that it it was you, there is no way to know that. And what a strange thing to have such a pattern on your wall, believe it or not.

Though I did see somebody that had an odd pattern on their skin, but it was from what they thought was an alien encounter. But it kind of looked like a strange little doily pattern. Actually, I've seen a couple of those, ye, a couple of those, and one in person. And the one girl, she was just so freaked like what is this? Why is this on me? And I don't know. I'm not a psychic, but I sure wouldn't say you did it to yourself. You probably created a

portal on your skin. So anyways, Ceci, I want to thank you for writing me and something I want to get to, um you know I did. I did a show not too long ago, and the question was asked to me that you know, wow, it's controversial that you trademarked shadow people. I'm like, it is. Have I heard that? Haven't hear anybody complain about that? And they're like, oh, I guess I've just talked to certain people. And I'm like, really, oh, well why it's like, well, because it's such a common thing.

And I briefly told them, I said, well, you know, straight out of college instead of practicing as a there for five years. I packed up my friends into a van and we drove across country with my self published book. I wrote ninety seven and nobody would publish. So I finally got published four years later in two thousand and one, and I was out there talking and nobody invited me to these conferences I would go to until it was

open mic time. I'd go up on the stage after I was renting a table there and sell my books there independently and grab the open mic and just say my truth. And it got popular, and I started coming on coast to coast am for twenty plus years. So if people know about the Shadow People and the hat Man, you're welcome. It's like, should Stanley apologize that Spider Man got popular? Saw? That's where I'm going. So anyways, I just hard to share that because it was the first

I'd heard that, so fascinating. Well, you guys, guess what we are in for a treat because we have Lester the les coming here on the program, and we're going to dive into a whole lot of interesting topics. All right, you are listening to Dark Becomes Light with me. Heidi Hollis on the iHeart Radio and Coast to Coast. They am Paranormal Podcast Network. Crowd, be right there, welcome back. You are listening to Dark Becomes Light with me Heidi

Hollis on the iHeart Radio and Coach the Coast. I am Paranormal Podcast Network And as promised, I have a fabulous guest. I have Lester of a Lez who is a graduate of the University of Vermont with a bachelor's science degree in business a ministry. Beginning in September of nineteen seventy, he starved in the US Army as a field artillery officer and was later vice president of the Lascomb Engineering I could be saying that wrong, Silicon Valley

Base manufacturer's representative company. He joined MOUF on the mutual UFO network in nineteen ninety one and has held the following positions. He was a field investigator, training coordinator for field investigators, the assistant state director in Northern California, chairman of the ae ARC, which is the Abduction Experiencer Research Committee, and the team leader of AART which is the abduction

Response team. And also during that time he became a facilitator for an abduction support group in San Jose, California, and in nineteen ninety four he co founded OPUS, which is the Organization for Paranormal Understanding and Support, a very well respected group, I must say so, I'd like to welcome Les Viles to the show. How are you doing today? There? Les? Great? Heidi is so happy to be with you today. Yeah. Same, My gosh, you're I'm gonna say it right here now.

You are a super duper paranormal pioneer of sorts. I mean, if it hadn't been told to you before, as you mentioned before we got on here, you know it now and I recognize it. Thank you so much, honestly, I mean, gosh, the Opus. Okay, please tell us a bit about that, and why on earth did you get involved in doing

such a thing. Well. OPUS stands for the Organization for Paranormal Understanding and Support, and it came about actually first got started in nineteen ninety four, and we're a nonprofit organization recognized by the IRS, and our mission simply put us to help people having paranormal experiences. And we, you know, we have put together a team that has been able to really give people that are having these types of experiences the help that they need, and we do this

through three different ways. Now. The first way is that we have an online confidential support group and we have over three hundred people from around the world that are talking to one another twenty four to seven, telling their stories, asking their questions. And then we have a referral network

of mental health practitioners hypnotherapists. And then the third thing that we've just reach brought on board is a group called the Experience or support team, and these are people that have a lot of experience working with experiencers and they it's sort of a triage type of a team where they then talk to these people and find out, you know, even if they've mentioned the fact that they would like to be put into the support group, but we verify the fact that, you know, that's maybe the

best place for them to be um So this has proved to be very beneficial for these people, especially the support group. Knowing that they're not alone is such a such a great relief for these people because you know, most of the time they think that they're totally alone, that you know, this is not happening to anybody else, because of course they they're afraid to talk to their family members or clergy or you know, they're workmates. It's the kind of thing that they're afraid that people will

think you're crazy. And a lot of these people have gone to therapists and found out that they're not crazy. So then what what do they do then? And that's what we basically have provided these people a place where they can go. And our website is Opus network dot org. And you know, if you're having you know, poltergeist activity, contact with non human intelligences, spiritual awakening, things of that nature, we can point you in the right direction or give

you help immediately from our site. That's amazing. You know, I sure could have used you back in the day. That's all I'm going to say. They're less because man, I was dealing with these shadowy things that I called addle people, and I'd seen UFOs. I had experienced seeing some beings in my home. Luckily I wasn't paralyzed, but I had a little run in with them, you know, and lived in a haunted house, dealt with poultr Geys

on a body and it was confusing, you know. And uh, I became a therapist myself and wrote my first book while I was in college in ninety seven, and it was one of those those those seeking things. I kept, you know, trying to connect the dots and then make it okay. Started a group. You know. It's like back in the day, you couldn't just hit a button online and go I need help, you know, you had to actually get out of your seat and go look for it. And you did that in a big way, and then

you spread the joy. So I mean super applause to you, because I mean you're super ahead of your time. Well, you know, people ask me, you know, like why how did this. I'll get started for you, and I have to back up to when I was eleven years old, and this is when I lived in Connecticut and I was coming in the house. It was a late October evening and I saw this object. It was hovering over this tree line, no no sound whatsoever, and it scared

the hell out of me. And I ran in the house, tried to get my father to come out, and I finally he finally did come out, and it was gone by then, and he says, well, it's probably just a beacon of light reflecting off a cloud. Well I didn't buy that, and I started reading books by Georgia Damski back in those days, and who talked about the Venusians and things of that nature, and so, uh, you know, I, like I say, I was really into it for a while.

But then, you know, I got older and I went off to college, and then I venture on graduation, got married and went in the service. I went through the ROTC program and eventually had a couple of children. In the nineteen eighty five, moved from Connecticut to California, and I picked up the paper one day, the San joseber Cary News as it was called back then, and Stanton Freeman was going to talk about UFOs and the government cover up. And it was like somebody threw a switch.

It was like, oh my god, this is you know this. I've got to go see this guy. And so I peers right, Oh my god, yes, fantastic man. Unfortunately he's gone now too, and so he gave one of his

inimitable presentations, and I was really excited. And on my way out, this organization called mouf On Mutual UFO Network had a table there and so they produce a monthly journal, and so I decided, I'm going to start getting a journal which talks about UFO sightings and investigations that they do, and so that was okay for a while, but then I finally decided I wanted to become a field investigator, and I passed the test and started to go out

in the field with a more seasoned person. But all the cases, almost without exception, turned out to be not only sightings, but these people telling us that they've had contact with non human intelligences, and so that really started to get my interest. And then these people would ask me did I know of other people having similar circumstances, and I said, yes, I do. And so next thing I'm doing, I'm facilitating a support group in San Jose

and my office. So yeah, amazing, it's amazing. And you started to find that a lot of these uh things that that people were reporting were interconnected. I mean, because you don't just stop at one type of experience, you're kind of open up the discussion for everything. Correct absolutely, and and that that is, you know, I firmly believe that all these things are connected, whether you talk about shadow people, whether you talk about light beings orbs, grays um,

this whole realm. You know, once you go down that rabbit hole, it's it's pretty incredible, and uh, you know, these people are telling you stories that you know, in balance are very similar, but then they have all kinds

of nuances with it. And but the bottom line is they're having some type of inexperience, whether it might be out of body type of experience you know, astral travel, if you will, but or physical physical experiences that manifest and marks on the body, implants and things of that nature. Right exactly, you know, mentioning the shadow people from the start, I've discussed their connection directly to some of these alien beings and how they've been seen right alongside of them.

Sometimes have you come across stories like that in that particular case, I don't think so, but I would believe that it's totally possible that these things interact with one another. It could be you know a lot of times that you hear about the fact that a person has brought on board a craft by a small gray and then there's a large gray there. But then there's a man this type of a creature that may be there as well,

or a Nordic or a man in military uniform. I mean, this thing starts to really, you know, multiply as far as the people that are involved with it. So I would certainly believe that that is possible that you have two different entities that are interacting, and you know, are they all good? Are they all bad? I think we have both. I think you have even within species, you have good ones and you have bad ones. You've been on this planet. How about that? Yeah, exactly, it is

exactly the same thing. Human's got issues. Well, we've got to get to our next break. You are listening to Dark Becomes Light with me Heidi Hollis on the iHeartRadio a Coast to Coast am para normal podcast network. Stick around, We'll be right back. Welcome back. You are listening to Dark Becomes Light with me Heidi Hollis on the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast ay AM para normal podcast network. I have less Valez and we are speaking on everything out of the ordinary and how Opus has helped so

many people from so many walks of life. I'm curious if you've had people who have come to you about such things as near death experiences or angelic encounters and what's that's been like. Well, it's interesting that you brought that up, because most of a lot of the people that do come to us talk about having had a near death experience. There's a story I want to tell you about. It relates to how Opus got started, but it goes back into near death experience question. I had

been written up in the Monterey Coast Weekly paper. This reporter had talked to Mouf on hit quarters and asked if for the name of someone that he could talk to about the UFO thing. And so they evidently gave this reporter my name. He came out, he interviewed me and ended up putting my head on it. I mean, it was really weird, my head on the front cover

of this weekly paper. In that same article, there was a woman that was written up with her capabilities that she had, and she contacted me said to me, I'd like to understand what's going on with my brain waves when I'm in contact with these off earthly entities. You know. I kind of scratched my head figuratively and saying, well, you know, how am I going to possibly help this person?

And then she said she was working with an emergency room doctor don and Carmel, And so that really piqued my interest because I had a doctor friend by the name of Eugene Lipson that was interesting, and meeting other doctors, I called them up and I said, you know, why don't we take a trip down and visit with this lady and see see what we could possibly do or to better understand what it is that's happening to her.

So we did, and as we walked into her home, there was a picture on the wall and it was her standing on the back of this boat, a rather large vessel, and I said, what's this all about. Well, that was when I was down in the Caribbean helping these treasure hunters. And I said what, yeah, I was helping these treasures. Well, how are you helping them? Just while I was in contact with the captain of the galleon that had gone down. So that, of course kind

of blew us away. And what we came to find out that after a near death experience, she had become very psychic, and so she began to tell us things about ourselves that afternoon. That there was no possible way that she could know that because she didn't know us from Adam, you know, and the article didn't say anything about my background other than you know, my involvement with move On. So yeah, so we came away that afternoon, and we stopped at a Hamburger joint and decided, how

can we possibly help people like this? And because we were you know, I had already been doing the support group in San Jose and and and Jean was doing some similar things up in his area. And so that was the afternoon that opus was hatched. The rest is history, so to speak, but near death experiences does come up a lot that afterwards people become very psychic. They have a whole different worldview afterwards, especially with the contacts that

they make during these experiences. Another doctor, and you might have heard of this story. She was taking a kayaking adventure down South America and she went over this falls and got trapped at the bottom of the falls for over thirty minutes. And during that time she saw these entities and she felt this incredible love coming her way, and so she decided that she wanted to go with them. And then they said no, no, no no, you have things that you have to do. You have to go back,

and she survived. One of the things that these entities also told her was that her son, who was little at the time, when he turned eighteen, would succumb, would die. Of course, that shook her up quite a bit, but she never said anything to her son, and because she probably didn't believe it. Anyway, when he turned eighteen, shortly thereafter, he got in a car accident and died. So I mean near death psychic abilities, involvement with entities, healings that

go on when you when you are in contact with them. Uh, you know, I don't know if you know the name major Major. Oh goodness, I'm losing it right now. Anyway, he was in charge of the malsterm Air Force Base when all the missiles were shut down, and he was at a presentation that I made at the move On

symposium two years ago in Las Vegas. This was an experiencer's meeting, and he brought his wife along with him, And after I did the presentation, he came up to me and said, can I talk to you, you know, in private afterwards? And so I said sure, um, And and I was sitting at my table in an exhibitor

area hawking my book. I wish, well, we'll talk about the unknown other and he tells me that he had an experience along with his wife, and when they came back after this experience, she was able to heal people. The ability to heal was not only something that happens with you, but you can also become a healer. So how do these things happen? You know, we don't understand

so much about this phenomena, and yeah it is. And you know, you have the majority of people that are having these experience, it's probably seventy percent or so that want these experiences to continue. Certainly, in the beginning, all these experiencers are quite traumatic, but there's a process that goes on and then eventually they become accustomed to it, and then when it stops, it's almost like the Stockholm syndrome. It's like, where did they go? Why aren't they coming

back from me? And so that that's some interesting things and one of the other things that Opus does. We're in a process of doing another research project. We did the first one back in two thousand and seven, which was funded by Moufon called the Omega three study, where we took seventy one experiencers and fifty one people that were a control group, and we basically had them take various psychological tests and came away with the fact that

these people did not have a psychopathology. Their worldview changes dramatically. In other words, Hey, we need to be better stewards of the it, we need to be better to one another, we need to be more loving. These are all wonderful, wonderful things. And there's also changes in the temporal lobe activity versus the control group, and that's another factor that I think is being looked at by some scientists at the present time trying to better understand how that is

part of this process. And now we're in the second phase of the Omega four study. The first phase was where we went out to therapists and had them take this survey and we came away with some interesting information there too, which is actually published on our website. And number one, most activity does involve the grave as far as contact with non human intelligences. The second thing that comes up is orbs. People talk about orbs. Third, the

third thing that comes up is interdimensionals. And then the fourth thing that comes up is poulter geist activity. And poltergeist activity can take the form of a lot of different things, shadow people probably along with it. So yeah, it's fascinating. There's so many nooks and crannies to investigate in all this, but the bottom line, there's something going on. These people are not crazy, And you know the big question, what is it? Is it extraterrestrial in nature? Is it

interdimensional in nature? Is it time travelers? Is it the military? Or is it all the above, which I kind of think it is and probably anything else you can possibly think of, right, you know. One of the question that I have when it comes to the alien beings. I mean,

there's a lot of gray involvement. But I have heard and witness myself people that absolutely went through so many horrible experiences with these beings, and then they would teach them, you know, something positive, and they're like, um, okay, I wanted to kill them before, but now they're teaching me things. So I guess I'm okay with it. And I'm like, hold on, you slep with a gun under your pillow, I remember you, you know. So, do you think there's

a conflict and alien contact? Are they masking themselves to appear as one thing so you let your guard down, they take advantage, and then they reward you with a cookie or something. I mean, what's going on if? Yeah? Yeah, it's the old carrot and stick of philosophy, right, Yeah. I think what it is is that It depends on the group that you're dealing with. I think i've you know,

there's both sides of this story, you know. You know, if you believe they're greer, uh, that they believe everything is positive, no, no issues, and then you have the the uh, the David Jacobs and Bud Hopkins that said they're all bad. It's a mixture. It's absolutely a mixture. And so it's very difficult, you know too. And again, based on our studies and other studies that have gone on the Free study, for instance, most of the people

are coming away with with positive feelings about it. But certainly that that initial phase, that initial phase where you put on a table, you're probe to every orifice. Yeah, and you know, siemens taken, eggs are taken, you know, implants are put in you. Uh that that is pretty bad, pretty pretty horrible. What we're going to get to our next break. You guys, you are listening to Dark Becomes Light with Me Heidi Hollis on the iHeartRadio and Coast

to Coast ay AM Paranormal Podcast Network. Welcome back. You are listening to Dark Becomes Light with Me Heidi Hollis on the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast ay Am Parenormal Podcast network Less. You made a really good point that you know, definitely it does appear to be that there's a conflict or it's it's like a whole mishmash of so many different elements when it comes to what's the being's agenda is? And I always call it like a

secret war, if you will. It's like, you know, I feel that if these things can shape shift to make themselves appear as one thing or another. I mean, who's to say, who's standing before you? When one group did something horrible to you and another one that looks just like them, you know, they're they're absolutely different, they're absolutely peaceful, and I can't help to wonder if one is masking,

you know. It's like if that's the problem going on. Yeah, I think that again, it's a very complicated subject, you know, to understand what's their agenda, Well, there's so many different groups, you know, so you have to look at, you know, a particular group to then try to understand if there is an agenda. And here's what I like to say about this whole thing. I think it's almost like a

school for the aliens. In other words, they have generations, you know, that come and go, and so when they have a new generation that needs to be taught how to investigate the human race, they come down. They do the same thing because you hear tie them in time. Again. Well, if they're so smart, they all they need is one sample, one person, they got it all figured out. Well, then that they they they it's and then they're doing things.

You know, we do the same thing. We take a dolphin, for instance, we pull them out of the water, we tag them, we take a blood sample, we measure them, uh, we throw them back in the water. And then a year later, we we've we've we capture them again, we pull them out of the out of the water, put them on the boat, do the same thing over and over and over again and and so you know, I think it's a learning process that's going on. And you know, we're not at the top of the food chain unfortunately,

right there's some hungry big foot out there. I know that, Yeah, absolutely so. So, I mean, yeah, it's really difficult to pinpoint, if you will, that they have some nefarious agenda by you know, hoodwinking us and having a shape. And they do this certainly to in a lot of cases to make it more palatable for the person that's experience and you know, show up as a teddy bear, if you will, or an owl or a deer instead of a little

gray um that kind of thing. But the bottom line is that they all seem to be doing the same same thing. Yeah, and there's probably groups that they don't you know, do have a nefarious agenda that you know, they're not being u sports right. Well, I don't understand how some can think, well, they all have to be really positive because they got here somehow. I'm like, look, there's some really smart dudes out there that were serial killers too. You know. It's like, why do I have

to kombay out with them? If I think something there might be something wrong. I remember somebody very very famous read my book The Secret War, and based on the conflict and alien contact with you know, some of them are good, some of them are bad, and shadow people are in the middle and uh and this this researcher is like, you know, go and throw this in the garbage to start all over again, because there's not a single bad alien out there in the universe. I'm like, what,

I couldn't believe it couldn't believe it. Yeah, yeah, it's it's like I would never think that's okay to push your opinion on someone. And I'm sure that's not anything that you guys do. You try to help them grow in the situation. Correct. Oh, absolutely, I mean we're we're neutral, Okay, we listen to their stories. We don't you know, uh,

make a judgment. We try to help them with whatever we can, whether it's a support group, uh, a mental health practitioner, a hypnotherapist, or now talking with a triage person in our est group. Um so uh yeah, and that's that's that's a horrible thing to do to a person about it? Yeah, it really is. I mean so

many people, you know. I always tell people it's like if I listen to the folks that I really admired, you know that we're close and far, you know, and just believed everything that was told to me or ordered of me, I would have never taken the steps that I did to you know, put something else out there on the map. And it's like, I think it's important that we all kind of pick and choose what's healthy

and what fits in our narrative to be acceptable. We don't have to follow a certain pattern to express ourselves in this field and understand it absolutely. And one of the reasons why I put the book out the last year, The Unknown Other and the Existential Proposition of Alien Contact, which you could actually see on our website on the

homepage and also it's available on Amazon. Basically, it's an overview of the topic contact with non human intelligences with all the physical psychological aspects of it, and then including the military aspects of it, and the government UAP report that came out, and then of course the full full analysis of the OMEGA three study which is in there in the appendix where we interviewed seventy one experiencers and

compared them to fifty one control people. So yeah, I wanted to put something out there that would be good for not only the general public, but also for therapists that are not familiar with the topic. And that's one thing we're trying to do in a big way now is we're reaching out to more therapists to try to educate them on this topic and then hopefully have them

be part of the provider network. Of course, you would be an absolutely a wonderful edition, um well, for sure, sure and so I I think that you know, this thing is not going to stop. It's been going on forever. And my latest theory on all of this is the fact, whether we consciously know it or not, I think all of us are experiencers. And I got to tell you this story that happened. One day in the support group. A person said to me said, Hey, I've seen you before.

Are they really or at a UFO conference a grocery store. They said, no, no no, no, I saw you on board the craft. Oh really, And I kind of I kind of blew it off, you know, I I just it didn't it didn't sit with me, you know very well, but you know, I just I just didn't believe it. But then it was like a year, a year and a half later, a totally different person, a different support group meeting, said I've seen you before. I said the

same thing. I said, where the UFO conference, grocery store? No, no, no, no, you were sitting on this bench naked on board the craft and you were freaking out. And they told me to go over to you to calm you down. Oh great. So I at that point, at that point, I decided to go get regressed. And I had three separate regressions

two different people, and nothing like that came up. However, I had numerous past lives, numerous past lives and which were so real I was I was crying and a number of them, you know, because the feelings were so tremendously overwhelming. Uh and uh So anyway, it was probably another year later that I told this story to someone and they said, well, you know, maybe this person picked up on something that happened in a previous life. Maybe we're abducted in a previous life, and that's that's what

this person was seeing in some way, shape or form. Yeah, and you know, it's it's funny. I had a group for fifteen years and people would pop in and they would recognize each other and say these things and and uh sometimes they would say, you know, yeah, you look familiar too. So it's interesting though, you know, it's like, I don't understand, you know, how that always connects, because like myself, I was told, oh, you're abducted, you have

hybrid children. No, I don't. I've never been abducted. You know, I don't know where this is coming from. But yeah, fascinating. So if people are experiencing anything out of the ordinary. How can they reach out to you guys and get some help. Well, the easiest thing to do is just to hit our website Opus network dot org. There's a big, big support button on there, and then what we ask

you is just a few questions. You know, your name, your email address, and tell us about your story a bit of it, uh, you don't have to go into great detail. And then that automatically goes out to three people in our organization, myself included, and you can choose from either being put into the support group or going to a triage member of the est or having them

contact you. And then once the triage person talks to the experiencer, we then can find out if it would like to have a hypnotherapist you know, a name given to them, or do they need a mental health practitioner that they would like to see. So um again it's opusnetwork dot org. Yeah, thank you so much for coming on the program and sharing your knowledge and your services. Pioneer Les Valles, thank you, thank you so much, Hide I really appreciate it. Amazing work by an amazing guy.

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