Episode 115: War in the Hearts of Men

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to popular belief. I'm just kidding. I have a good time all the time. But it could be really dark and heavy stuff, you know. And if there's ever a criticism I've ever received, it's like, wow, you sound like you're you're enjoying this demonic stuff way too much. And I'm like, no, no, no, you don't understand. It's like I want to be able to talk about all these things as I would anything. And I am pretty laid back and try to keep things on the up and up.

And I just find that to be important because when we put it in a category where you have to be scary and all that, it can shut down a lot of brains. And we do not need any more closed brains around here. So anyways, um yeah, so ay, who I gotta tell you guys, today's an interesting program. I have a guest that this covers something quite unique. His name is Eli Koberly, and he's going to be discussing his new book War in the Hearts of Men, and uh, it's it's it's a balance of a lot

of different things. You have to you have to hear them because it's a topic that I personally am not as well versed in symbology, cosmology. Um, you know, it's like yoga. I don't know how to meditate to save my life. I always think one day I'll try more, but I usually just fall asleep when I've tried. It's really bad. But that's just so me. That's yeah. Um, But anyways, I heard that's the first step is to relax as fall asleep and then hopefully meditate and guide it.

But I have really lucid dreams, so I can roll a lot what's going on and a lot of out of body experiences all the time. So um, yeah, yeah, I call myself a slider. I think I'm sliding the people's body is quite a bit and it actually it has been something that it happens. Yeah. So anyways, guess what we're gonna discuss in this first segment before I

get my guests on after the break. Um. You know, I have received a lot of people sending me messages saying, hey, Heidi, your topic that you put out there, hat Man, there's this thing about Benadrill. Oh I don't even want to repeat it. Almost it's like people taking Benadrill to have meetings with hat Man. I should say, that's the next layer of this craziness that people are doing. It's like, how do you feel about that? Oh? Just oh the angst, the angst, the anger, the upsetness. Oh, I mean wow,

who would want to conjure these things? And that guy in particular, who would want to do that? That is not okay, That is not okay. That is such dangerous stuff. I mean, why don't you just why? I'm not even gonna make suggestions. I can't even make suggestions because it's just so bad. I'm like, I don't know what anybody would want to welcome something that's the equivalent of the devil in your life or in your bed for that matter, or in your bedroom to even look at you walking

down the street. You would not. I have had people who've seen them once and it's like disrupted their life. It is so dangerous. I don't know why people have found this to be a fascinating thing. And I'll tell you also, this is one of the reasons why I feel quite a bit of responsibility and putting word out there on these topics. I mean, I've discussed it here in this program. I remember before I was born. I remember agreeing to discuss these things to make people aware

because they were happening anyways. But the responsibility is, you know, giving the name to this thing, and people misspell it and make it like it's batman or something. I have two separate words hat man, just because, just because, And then people want to judge, Well, that's all, you know, there's a little reason why you were to do it that way, is to say it's just a man and

a hat. Well, I don't want to give them too much respect, you understand me, But um, one of the reasons, like you know, it's like, well, why trademark the phenomenon? You know we're all been experiencing. Well, no, I trademark the name of it, trying to help slow the role of this thing that people are again now it's really clear finding his entertainment a way to tap into the other world, you know. And uh, but it's not it's not been an easy thing. It's not been an easy

task as uh. You know at one point, you know, as a regular on coast to coast as a guest, and you have millions and millions of listeners worldwide. So people heard me talking about this, giving it a name, hat man and a shadow people phenomenon, and uh so to say they didn't know where it came from. Well, if you know the topic, it trickle trickle down. And uh it's it's like it's become this other beast of board young adults and teens and kids like you want

to see something spooky, let's do this. It's like no, no, it's like, uh, you know, taking it to another level of oh no, this is going to cause you problems and a very deep soul like level. So um, please, anybody within earshot if you know of somebody that's discussing doing that. These various social media platforms that are having barrages of people talking on these topics without knowing what

they're dealing with. And again, another element of the responsibility is even when like producers and stuff come or people that it's like I want to do a book on this, or oh I want to you know, focus my whole life on these topics, I'm like, watch out, okay, because oh, I've been involved in projects that have had major issues because they focused on these topics. So people have their assumptions.

Why with somebody want to you know, it's not to quite literally own something, it's try to hope that people will be deterred to not dive as deep. You know what I'm saying. It's like so dangerous on a soul level, and it's like uh, And then of course there's the building up their name to be somebody to go to on these subjects and they're like, oh, and don't be afraid of it. By the way, it's okay, it's just there to watch Oh no, oh no, it's not entertainment.

And there's a big risk to people that look into these topics at a level they just can't imagine. And I'll give you a quick example of um without giving too much detail. I'm somebody that approached and said I'm going to go make a film on this. I'm like, don't, don't do it, please don't. And they didn't listen, and they regretted their decision. And honestly, I am not kidding you when I say, just today I learned of the outcome of that adventure, and this person is no longer

in the public eye. Let's put it that way. They didn't die, from my understanding. But oh it didn't. It's just bad. It's just bad, guys, just bad. It just doesn't ever seem to go well. And I understood and my life agreement. I'm supposed to do this stuff, and I feel extra protected, you know, And and I don't know. I mean, I've been doing okay with it thus far. And I'm a one woman show. I don't have a big team of people saying hurrah, you know, how do

you go and do that? Don't forget this other thing that you got going on over here. No, No, it's just me doing my best, trying to follow through and what I agreed to do, and it's it's something I would never ever change. And uh, you know, letting people know in the millions about two phenomenon was a humbling experience, a very scary experience. Imagine this from somebody who was absolutely terrified of any amount of public speaking. Um. But out of necessity and getting my memories back, I knew

I needed to. I had to. Um. So it's been. It's been really quite a right. And I was just talking to a friend today actually about how I needed to take breaks in the beginning, like, oh, I can't, I can't talk on these things anymore. Like I just needed to have some normalcy, like I was a college kid, just like, oh, I need to breathe, and uh, you know, it was quite a process, um, and you know, and now I'm like I just kind of steadily go and get a little exhausted and then keep going and get

little exhausted and keep going. Um. The exhausting part now is seeing the explode of people offering their souls up to Satan. M Yeah, because that's what's going on. People are getting possessed by hat Man, people are getting abused by it, and it's on such a grand, big scale. If it is not handled properly, it's going to end very bad for all involved. I've seen it on horrible scale, whether they're physically attacked, emotionally attacked, spiritually attacked, medically, I

mean every level. So yeah, the warning is out there, and you know for people that are dabbling in it, and it's like, well, it doesn't bother me. You know, I'm touching on this and I don't have anything happened. You know, there's something to be said about people who are doing the work of dark stuff too. I mean, we don't know the intentions behind a lot of stuff and a lot of people, so we got to be weary and leary of that as well. It's a real element,

let me tell you. Wow. Well, guys, I hope that helped clear my position on it. It ain't good. It's not entertainment. It is to be contained about that, all right, You guys. You are listening to Darkie Comes Light with Me Ighty Hollis on the iHeart Radio at Coast to Coast AM Paranormal Podcast Network. Stick around, We'll be right back with Eli Coberly. Welcome back. You are listening to Darkie Comes Light with Me Heighty Hollis on the iHeart

Radio at Coast to Coast am Paranormal podcast Network. As promised, I have Eli Coberly. He is a world traveler and seeker of truth through adventure, and at seventeen he left his home to fulfill his dream of becoming an army paratrooper, and at twenty he was honorably discharge. It began his

search for a new dream. Eli's writing has taken him worldwide to explore a few of the bigger questions of our human existence, and his prophetic worldview combines military service, counterculture, and the anthropology and archaeology of the world's religious symbols. He has studied the migration of the indigenous and ingusted their medicine, absorbed their art, and embodied their cosma vision so in the war. In the Hearts of Men, Eli's new book, he details his lifeline quest to understand the

Maya culture and its impact on the present. He also shares his discovery of the artistry of stone carved symbols on the heels of his extensive travels to both Central and South America. A yoga therapist, Eli has been a student of yoga for over a decade and when he isn't writing or practicing yoga. Eli can be found examining the Tibetan Buddhist tradition, sitting in ceremony with Maya priests, and traversing caves deep in the Belize jungle. So I would like to welcome Eli Coberly to the show. How

are you doing today? There? Eli? I'm great? How do you thinks for asking? Yeah, so you've got literally a world of experiences that top most people that I know. Quite the background there, So tell me a little bit about how you got into seeking the answers that you have. Well, I noticed how people relate, and I notice that after learning yoga, I noticed the two sexes, the masculine and feminine, and how they're not innate to necessarily a male or

a female. That we all have those traits within us, and I wanted to explain a lot of the reasons why the feminine had been suppressed, and so me having a type A mind and very analytical um, I found a way to explain it technically and embody the practices around the world. Oh No, that's fascinating because I do hear more of these esoteric approaches, and you came about it for the type A like you said, it's like that's that's interesting. That's something I don't hear about all

the time. So tell us how that, uh you know has gone. I mean, so you were looking and traveling following your service. We appreciate you. And how did that begin with some of the travels or was the first place that you went to that helped you connect some of these dots? Well? Um, the first place is actually caracoll in Belieze in the jungle. Um it's a Maya site and um it means snail in Spanish, but it's

really a spiral. So it sort of spiraled out from there and I begin and to become more interested in UM and why we're here and what you know. And it was on it was right before the twenty and twelve thing, and everyone was afraid of all these things and you know, the end of the world doomsday, and I thought, oh, I don't know about that. And I kind of started learning more about the cyclical nature of time and UM and relationship to the universe and things

like that. The cosmology essentially, can you expand a bit on that, Like, so you were what what is it exactly the cosmology of what? Like, how did you what was it? Oh, well, I mean there specifically the the Maya cosmology, the people of Central America, the indigenous um and how they have the relation to the sun, moon and stars, like the the Vedic tradition of India. UM and so yoga and hotel Yoga means sun and moon, and it means a relationship between the masculine and the

feminine within. And so I discovered that people around the world, indigenous or otherwise, we're practicing these things just like the ancient yogis. And one in particular was the Maya people that I really warmed up to UM after going there, and I started to go sight after sight after sight and region after region, and I developed um sort of opinion on how it sort of went down based on reading some of the codexes and studying a number of

the the glyphs and so. Yeah. So that I started to realize is that um yoga is essentially universal throughout the world and UM and and I started to study the art and the architecture and notice the similarities and UM. I noticed that the yoking, which yoga means to yoke, the yoking of the masculine and the femm was a

embodied practice that went much deeper than you'd ever know. Wow, you know, I see you're a yoga therapist and it's a Whenever I think of it, it just seems to be one of those very quite peaceful acts that I can never do, like I fall asleep if I'm sitting trying to meditate, you know, and do anything that looks or feels like it's a relaxing type of thing. And they say, well, that's the first step. You know, you're good at this. I'm like, I'm kinda getting comfortable to

take a nap, I guess. But I mean, how does a person, uh you know, expand into this to get this better knowledge? Your book is called War in the Hearts of Men, and you're you're a yoga therapist, so I mean it sounds like a contrasts But you found this method to link everything because it is a worldwide feel or vibe out there as you're explaining, So where

did it lead you? And how do people tap in? Uh? Well, I mean, I you know, I I've I needed to have a reason to explore these inner and outer landscapes of the micro and macrocosm of myself in the world because I experienced things in the in the army and overseas that we're damaging to my psyche and traumatic and so um so. I think a lot of people, I realize they're dealing with trauma from war. And it's not just because of how they they're necessarily in war, but

maybe generationally or passed down through DNA. It's all we've all been affected by it. And so you know, this war within, this war without is the same concept. So um you know, and if you sit and you meditate and take a deep breath, one breath is better than no breaths. Um So, I guess you're asking it. Oh, how how can we get started in something like this? Yeah?

For me, I just was forced to. I was I was helping a friend move and he lived in the mid West and he was getting his doctorate and I had time on my hands, and so he said, coming to yoga every morning. I went to yoga. Oh wow. Really, I've been invited to some strange things too, but I'm not good at it. Just like like, oh, that's that's fascinating. I'm standing over here to watch you do it. So

you just like it just hit that right note for you? Yeah, I was having trouble anyway, kind of coming to terms with stuff, you know, if you have later on. You know. Actually, just this past year, I got diagnosed with PTSD, so I from the military experience, and I was asking it for a really long time, and yoga was the thing that brought it up. And then since I'm such a type and interested in all these I was into extreme sports and all this, I started to realize, like, oh,

like yoga is foreverone. It's not just a religious dogma, though there is religion within it, but also, um there's all everyone is at different speeds and everyone moves in different ways and has different experiences. UM. So I just I just felt like that was kind of a great thing for me to be a part of. UM is understanding how I my life could be like a blueprint and not such a domestic way of you know, seven Steps to freedom. Maybe it could be this is what

I did, and use my life as an example. Read the book and see how you could potentially do your own trip. Yeah, I see, that's cool. You know, I've heard a lot of military service people that whether they were in war or not, you know that it's just such a shift and the reality to come back to civilian life, and it's it's it's just it's too much. So I can see how creating that inner balance since the outer has changed, you know, from your other balance,

where you've got to strike this chord. So an interesting title. Tell us about this book A bit so war in the hearts of men? What is this? Where's this going? What is it really about? Well, um, I you know, I love metaphors, and I love speaking in metaphors, and

I love like Joseph Campbell and others like that. And so what Maya means in Sanskrit is the illusion, and so illusion is magic, and so I sort of talk about how leaders in the book use magic through symbolism, and I use I use the Maya people as a backdrop to okay, what did they do and what led

to their demise right their extinction? And how do they trust certain factions of other societies that led to their demise, And a lot of it's about colonialism, and it ties into what I saw when I went overseas, with expansion of oil production in Saudi Arabia and jet fighters being built. And I went over there right after the Cobar towers got blew up and so that was a giant facility

for business and for colonialism. So I my book is sort of chronicles my travels throughout Central America, uncovering these art pieces and glyphs that talk about worldwide expansion pre Spanish influence in Central America, and I contrasted with how we're doing it today and how we've done it and where I see that it's headed. And also I use the indigenous folklore and myths and also prophecies to paint

a picture of the future and how it might change. Nice. Well, hey, maybe we could get into some of those prophecies and the change that you're hoping to encourage. So we're gonna get to our first break. But first, don't forget to go to Heidi Hollis dot com or shadow Folks dot com and tell me your stories, tell me what it is that you've experienced out there in the world, and follow me on social media at one Heidi Hollis that is Instagram, that is Facebook, that is everywhere on the planet.

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War in the Hearts of Men. And you've come across some really fascinating elements that you wanted to share when it comes to ancient rituals and geometry and how it has affected today and how you can change it. So let's let's get into some of that. Sure sounds good. Um. One of the places that I know is really popular in this vein is Polank and Chiapas, Mexico, and you know you've seen a lot of that ancient aliens. They talk about it. And one of the things that I've

linked is this um. If you go to the Cross group, it's a it's a site or a part in Polank where there's three pyramids and they have a story to tell with the lineages in the cosmos and this sort of thing. But in the very center of those three pyramids, down on the ground is like maybe what might have been a sacrificial platform or something like that. But if you if you were to h take a drone and

fly it above, you would see a cross right. And you know, uh what I you know, a Christian cross is really popular when the Spanish people started to show up on the shores of the Central America to um enslave the indigenous and take their land. Um. But the reason why it was so popular is to them they already had a cross, right and they noticed that so um, that cross in the center there is actually has corners,

and it has angles and sides. And if you line it up on the street Onter which is the ancient divisive India, you will see that it lines up perfectly if it's to scale. And so um, what you find out is not only is the strie entre um of India and this thing in in plank, not only are they m mathematically the same as the same number of spinal stegments and teeth that we have in our mouth.

Plus h the seven chakras, which is a rainbow. Um, you have seventy two okay, yeah, and so seventy two um times two is one hundred and forty four, and um one hundred and forty four is the number of or one hundred and forty four thousand or seventy two thousand? Is this the number of certain lengths of time that the Maya measure in the cosmos? And uh in our okay? Wow?

And yeah. And so what I figured out is that um, the ancients um all around the world, and this is something that they won't talk about in ancient aliens or other things, or maybe they have. I haven't seen episodes in a while. But UM is that we have a mathematic equation written in stone and symbology that represents the body and how it travels through time and space and karmically. It's it's linked to interesting potential. Well, okay, and what can we do about it? What can we do about this?

There are potential I always talk about the human potential, and I don't feel like things are necessarily written in stone, though it may be an ancient ruin somewhere. But but I'm always optimistic that we can change our patterns, change our ways and you know, make something, you know, learn from our past mistakes that are etched in stone. You know. Um, you know, it's like, how do we how do we make sure that we're you know, keeping it rolling and

serving ourselves better. Well, what I figured out is if it's mathematical the way we travel through time and space and and there's trauma, Well, each chakra in the Vedic tradition of India talks about emotions, right, And there's different time periods and it overlaps. So oh, there's only five chakras, there's seven, you know, depends on the time period. But what I will say is that you know, one example would be the first chakra would be the root chakra.

And maybe when you were young and you were growing up, someone told you that you weren't good enough, and you believe them. And what I do know is that trauma gets stored in the body, right, And so if trauma is stored in the body, we believe that in our mind chemically that that trauma and it prevents us from

having a full spectrum experience throughout the chakras. So energetically you could talk about it, but also physically how we interact with others and how we take chances and when That's why I say how we travel through time and space mathematically is linked to how we can project ourselves in the future for a fuller experienced in life. That's not limited to our past. Okay, you know, I am so not good with chakras and as I was mentioning meditation and all those those types of things, you know,

I hear it, I hear great things about it. I'm just so unfamiliar with it, although it's been around me at times. But when you said there how people will store trauma in their bodies, I'm a big believer of that. I'm an occupational therapist profession working with behavioral health and you know, physical disabilities and whatnot. And you ask anybody that's ever you know, hurt themselves when they're younger and it hurts them later, Oh, that's a form of trauma.

But there's also the memories that get unlocked. When I'm working with a patient and they're just like, you know, you know, it's like this happened, and they start opening up, you know, when you're working on a certain part of their body and there's start talking about something. They might get teary eyed or emotional, and it's like this unlocking

and you think it's not always related. It really really isn't always related to what you're doing, but something gets unlocked there that they had stored that I think surprises them as much as it surprises a therapist like myself. Have you come across that, Yeah, definitely. I mean I've used to teach time massage with a friend of mine in Santa Barbara, and we would deal with all sorts of traumatic experiences, people in tears, certain smells that would set it off and it would almost just be like

a freeing of their emotions, letting go. And so the senses are really powerful and how we interact. And oftentimes when the same sense that will come up like this, you'll see the color orange and the wind will blow and you remember that time when you're walking down the street and you saw a bunch of flowers in the wind picked up and you you tripped and fell on the sidewalk or something, and it's stored in your mind and every time you see orange now it affects how

you interact with Yeah, yeah, for sure. And the thing is it's like, okay, now that they spoke of it, they released it into the air. How how do they make sure it doesn't return? You know? Uh, It's like the War and the Hearts of Men, right, It's like, how do you get that war out? I think it's cyclical because like the Indigenous talked about, time is cyclical and it and you're never cured from anything. You only just realize the relationship of the mind to the body

and the potential for the opening of the heart. Interesting. Wow, yeah, I mean it's such a process that the human human body, the humankind, i mean, consciousness, soul wise, it's so complicated, but it's absolutely all connected. And I don't know about you, but I get a little bit frustrated when people don't seem to acknowledge these other levels to themselves. And they're very physical and they're very just a much about what they can move with their hands or create with their hands,

you know, And and don't go above and beyond. Do you think that wall, that barrier that we create is sometimes the problem in making these connections. Yeah, Um, it's it's the sort of masculine drive that can be out of balance at times in the individual where you have to strive to build buildings and monuments and um, and your own architecturally, leave your own mark, be somebody, you know, and that's becomes more important than enjoying life or having

certain freedoms or interest. Um. And that's why I believe yoga is so good because like I was the same way. I walked into yoga studio for the first time and I said, oh, that guy's doing handstand, Well I could do it for five minutes. He could only do it for a minute, and that makes me better, right, right, right? And so if then that's the that's the yoking of the mind and the body and the soul as you start to realize that the physicality is just such a

surface part of tip of the iceberg. No, it's so frustrating. But sometimes I'm envious of people who just stay in the physical because when you're really aware of what's going on out there, oh oh, it could really make you lose some sleep. I just I'm always blown away with some new revelations and new information and I'm like, wow, there's another layer, and you know, nobody has all the answers, but we sure can help each other, right absolutely. Yeah,

we're constantly learning. Yeah. Yeah, it's like I just I don't know, I just uh, I get inspired every day by something new. But the geometry, the geometry, what what about that element? Well, um, I would say that also part of that is something I did was, you know, I traveled to Nasca and Peru a couple of times, and I went into the Nasca lines, I flew ahead and UM, and I saw the star glyph and the star glyph they talk about, you know, it's it's the

same as this tree entra. It's essentially mathematically and and and geometrically the same UM. But also it lines up with with the Kabbala of Um the Jewish people. And then you have UM the Chicana of Peru, UM, which is a stepped up cross. And then you have this UM this UH in Planque you have Pakal's tomb and and Pocall's tomb. Is this this cross and it lines up as well, UM, and it's the world tree, the tree of life. And then you have the tree of life of course, and and uh the Nordic people. It's

just kind of all Uh. It's as you know they talk about, Oh, it's as if they left something behind to show us, and it got a race, and yeah it did, and it's around the world. And that's the missing piece of it. All is is um how we travel and and UM in sacred geometry. UM is an eye opener for for how that works in the ethers. M fascinating well We're gonna get to our next break here because I want to dive into some of the

more spiritual elements that you personally have have gone into. Um, because there's no way that you travel to some of the places that you have and not experienced some of the stranger elements of life. I mean, sometimes people keep it in the arena of just you know, it was an inner experience, but oh no, I know these places and they are weird. So I'm hoping that you open

up about that after the break. You guys, you are listening to Dark Becomes Light with me Heidi Hollis on the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast am TERENRMAL podcast Network. Stuck around, We'll be right back with more. Eli Cobly, welcome back. You are listening to Dark Becomes Light with me Heidi Hollis on the iHeart Radio and Coast to Coast am Teren Normal podcast Network. I have Eli Coberly and we were getting into his book or in the Hearts of Men, and you know, you've done some really

fascinating travels. You've gone to some deep forests and spooky locations or mysterious and I am pretty certain if you've gone to these places that you've experienced something and I want to hear about it, and I'm sure the listeners

do too, so please do share. Let's let's hear some of these eli sure M. One of the things that I was talking earlier about the Nasca lines in Peru, and it's the geoglyphs that are you know, etched in the desert and there are all these different glyphs and all these there's debate about where they come from, how do they you know, who actually made them? And why

are they still there? All this stuff, but um, you know I've been up there over over the lines in the desert in the inn Assessina and a little plane and um. One of the things I do is I read a Kashic records, which is the ether in sort of like the past, present, potential future of the soul. Well, my teacher taught me how to read um locations and that was the most fascinating part for me, because I was like, WHOA, all the locations I've been to, what

stories could they tell? And um, and you know I have a good imagine nations, so I wouldn't I wouldn't claim that this is directly from God or the or anything like that. You know, I just thought it was

fascinating to experience. Um. But what I did is when I got on the plane, I opened up the acoustic records of the Nasca lines in the Nasca Desert and um and so I while I was overlooking these monkeys and uh different animals and spiders and stuff and the and the different glyphs, is I noticed um this voice, this center dialogue that was talking about people and how um the evolution of people in the DNA of the people um over the course of millennia in the desert there,

and how there wash there was DNA being manipulated there. And also there was bits of colonialism, uh practices like ancient stuff looking for minerals and and um it it showed me sort of like this picture of these people walking through the desert us almost like a slave race type of people looking for minerals for for sort of like a superior organization or something like that. And I took it for face value. I didn't write about it, you know, because I wanted to have a more of

a massive heel. No. No, hey, this is this is the audience for that. I mean, it's uh, we like to get into that kind of thing. So you just revealed the cashic records. I mean, this is supposedly where anything and everything has ever happened in the universe gets stored and you are able to meditate and reach this place and pull out what you'd like. Is that what you're saying. Yeah, it's a sacred prayer that is handed down and it's also just a method of getting to

where consciousness is stored. And I like how you just kind of casually to say that, I just kind of skip over. Well yeah, oh no, that's a big deal because that does people well know that word and they're like, hold on. Even for myself, I did not know it by that name. I knew it as a library of knowledge, but it was something that I experienced, you know, I just something that I go back and forth to to access or something I didn't. I didn't go in there

to do that. I saw it. You know, It's like, oh I knew that place, but wow, So that that's amazing. So what do you personally aim to do when you are in this state where you're I mean, if you're in front of life, God forbid, you're going out on a date, do you go a cashic record time. Let me look up and see what's this person's about and here in front of me. I mean, you're not doing that kind of thing. Are you just for the heck of it to learn something like cheat a little bit? No?

I do. I talk about how people use magic to cheat in my book, but I would use it for the greater good of mankind. I wouldn't abuse it. It's a great responsibility. I have you used it with like my kid's mother when we were dating. We're not anymore, but I did use it and we got some interesting you know we I said, can I read your acashic records? It's a good way to get to know someone right now? You did? I just oh, so you did do it, but you got permission first, so okay, yeah, you know

it makes sense. I mean it's like, hold on, I have the answers to the universe. Let me try this, you know. I it's something that you know, I've heard people being able to access like that. I had no experience with it, but you know, there's something I wanted to mention too and talk about. I find a lot of veterans who seek these similar paths. They do a lot of deep thinking traveling trying to find this different self. I mean, do you find that you're running into a

lot of veterans as well on these paths. On these paths, unless I'm at a retreat, I don't really talk to anyone. I'm I'm smiling at the indigenous people and asking them questions. I might go to a ceremony or something or meet up with a group of people for a while, but generally I'm solo and I'm meditating, and I'm writing, and I'm experiencing things, um all on my own. So I did. Actually once, now that I think of it, I ran into a guy that was stationed in Fort Bragg like

I was, that was running a mule. He had a company that did tours tell Miradora in Guatemala, and he had a team of mules that he worked with and he was out there smoking cigars and you know, he was followed, but he wasn't the same. He was just offering tours, you know, for him. But I yeah, I've met some people that were veterans. I run into veterans all the time we talked, you know, I'd say more so like in California where I live. Yeah, well that's

it's amazing. Yeah, I just uh, you know, it's like physically fit, you know, getting back from being enlisted and just explorers, you know, so able to just like pick up and say, hey, I need to try something different. That That's what I've I've run into quite a bit,

and I commend them. I mean, how how neat to feel free enough to do that, because a lot of people, I think they get caught into the humdrum of everyday life and they don't explore, you know, they don't look into different things, and you know, and it's not always needed, of course. Um. You know, I am quite Christian myself, and I keep on that path. And but I find, you know, learning from other cultures and seeing the patterns.

I'm all into patterns, uh, you know, how things connect, how we have things in common with certain things, and that might actually help others, I don't know, find balance, you know. So yeah. So, I mean, if there was anything that you hope people pull away from your book, what would that be? Um? I think it would be that that there's something greater to the mundane existence of the nine to five in the sort of commercial idealism.

I think that we've been fed a lot of things that were good for money making rather than soul searching or individual connection to the to the root of uh, what's more important for the soul? Yeah, you know, I think that was done on purpose. I call uh people that explain the world to us for our own good so we don't go and experience it for ourselves. I call them wizards because they, you know, just look at my hands and what I'm doing here. Don't look behind

the curtain, look here, you know. So I think it's a shame and it's wonderful that somebody like yourself goes out and, you know, and find some answers and tries to reach back and help others do the same. So how people, How can people get a hold of your book or you have a website that you could share. Thanks. Yeah, it's War on the Hearts of Man. It's on Amazon, Barnes and Noble, and I think Cobo or something like that.

Eli Coberly, And that's my website. And also Instagram. I'm preactive on there with I share a lot of photos of my travels or what I'm up to. That's Eli Coberly on Instagram. Wonderful. Well, I want to thank you so much. For coming on the show. This was interesting. I love this kind of you know, new topics. I like to explore and check out what's going on out there, and yours is really different. And I really appreciate you. Thanks, Hi,

I appreciate you well. Fascinating conversation. I learned something new every day. I hope you guys did as well. And you know, I kind of I gotta tell you, guys, I have been a comic strip artist for a while. You all know this, right, and I took a bit of a hiatus from my comic, which is a paranormal comic strip called The Outlanders. Okay that there's Bigfoot, there's aliens, there's ghosts, and all the townspeople of Milltown and yeah,

just quite different. And I saw I restarted up again, got more time on the hands, because boy do I keep busy. So I want to invite you to go check it out, follow it on Instagram, the Outlanders comic, and also go to the Outlanders comic dot com and tell me what you think. It's a single panel type of comic strip and it's all I ever wanted to do growing up. That sounds familiar in any plot that you've ever seen. Well, now you know the inspiration. I'm

just kidding. You know. I'm a fan of Carol Burnett. I his old fashion, just some pure comedy, right, And I saw one of her before she would do her big show. She took a question from the audience and they said, what would you be doing right now if you weren't doing comedy. She's like, I always wanted to be a comic strip artist. And then I'm like, my jaw hit the floor and I'm like, I just love her even more now, you know. I was like, just totally after my heart because hot dignity dog that is me.

So yeah, please go check it out. And also, you guys, don't forget to go to Heidi Hollis dot com and shadow Folks dot com, which go to the same website, and tell me your stories. The more detailed, the better. Okay, please do not send me those one liners. I get those one liners. You know. If you want to hear more, write me. Don't write me. If you have the photos, if you have drawings, just email those on over to Heidi Hollis at gmail dot com and really appreciate that.

I think I need to put a page on my side with some of the drawings and photos and whatnot, and I think I might have mentioned that here on the program, but oh man, a time gets away from me, and I'm like to think put that I'm in And by the way, you guys, I on my next show, I might have a really really big announcement that might be really up your alley. Uh huh, yes, I think you're going to find it interesting. But anyways, you know, I'm teasing me because I two people contact me and

say when are you going to do this? In the same day guys, So I'm taking the hint and I'm going to dedicate my next weekend to getting something done. But all right, you guys, you have a listen to Dark Becomes Light with me Tiny Hollis on the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast am Ary Normal Podcast Network. Stay safe, everybody, goodbye. Well, if you liked this edition of Dark Becomes Light, wait

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