Episode 112: The ™ "Attempts"

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see connections because that is my specialty. Honestly, I love getting down to it and like comparing contrasting with what it is that I know I've seen over the years, and having been in this paranormal world for a very long time, and to be the first person to ever discover name, define and yes, trademark to paranormal phenomenon, I think I have been pretty efficient and helping to break some of the stuff down that I run into. But yeah,

it's been a it's been an interesting time. I'm telling you that emails keep pouring in and you guys are reaching out on social media like bonkers, which is awesome. I love chatting with people, and you know, sometimes it

takes me a while to get back to people. I do my best, um, but I really enjoy engaging and trying to be of help the most to people when they when they need the help, because I I just don't know, um what I personally would have done if I didn't have my siblings and whatnot to bounce things off from when odd things were going on. So you guys, I'm here for you, and I'm trying to get others to be there for you too. So I've got a couple of groups online I want you to check out.

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is not the time for that. Okay, it's time to speak. I saw ufo, I saw an angel, I had a near death experience. It's for anything out of the ordinary. And yeah, you can talk about shadow people and stuff there too, but everything is allowed, okay, um, so go there and join me there too. We got some active chats going on in there too, and it's a it's never boring, no, I guess what, guys, guess what today is? Today? Like every other show, it's my favorite show. This is

where I have the outlandish corner? What is the outlantish corner? Well,

of course I'm answering your emails. I love talking to my guests that I have on the program too, So I don't want to say I don't enjoy that, but I more enjoy answering the comments of questions and getting through what it is that's going on out there, because it's just I am always surprised, and I really like randomly grab at the emails that come in as well, And uh, I just am always surprised, you know, when things kind of link or they have some kind of

theme going so and I'll just grab from different dates, sometimes years, because my email must have been monitored by something. And I got like a dump of really old emails sent to me. I don't know how that happened, but hey, I'm going through them. So yeah, I'm I'm seeing here. Uh And I'll tell you one of these emails when I copy pasted it and threw it into a document just before I'm recording here, right and and I saw a quick question and I addressed it, okay, So I

don't want to make it seem like a cheat. It. Every once in a while I'll get a glimpse and I'm like, hold it, I can, oh, let me help this person out real quick. So I do do that at times, but usually I'm cold turkey, cold turkey right here. Um, you know what I gotta tell you guys too, By the way, follow me on the social media at one, Heidi hollis. Okay, so put a one in front of my name for TikTok Facebook, Twitter, and Instagram. All right there, all right, there, there we go, all right, I got

it in. I don't know where I'm at. Okay, Okay, I see a giant email, I'm a giant one. And I got a couple of small ones. Now I'm going to hit the small one that I know what it's about. This one says hello, Heidi Hollis. Well, that's very really formal. Um, could you please tell me how I can buy your books? I live outside the US in Ukraine because of the war. I cannot buy your works. I saw that they are sort of sold on the American platform Amazon. If I am not mistaken, but I do not know how to

buy anything there. Can you please help me if there is such a possibility. And then there's like a really difficult like artsy words that I think I'd have to be an artistist be able to write it. It's really yeah, but that's Ukrainian. Um, yeah, yes. And what I did is I actually responded quickly back to this person because I was like, I don't think I've had anybody from the Ukraine contact me before. So I'm like, well, how

do I do this? I mean, sometimes I get people that will reach out and say, hey, Heidi, uh, you know, I can't even hear your podcast? How do I do that? Well? I just sit there and I google stuff to something works and and I'm like, you know what, just google dark becomes light. With Heidi Hollis and see where it plays because it's on so many different platforms. All right, so I kind of do the same thing here. And you know, a lot of countries have an Amazon and

um but I couldn't find it for Ukraine. But I did find something called Ukraine dash Express dot com and this is where deliveries of things that are on American Amazon will be sent to the Ukraine. And uh I was like, well, that's pretty darn amazing. I love that because you know, in a ward war to Orange country such as Ukraine right now, it's it's difficult to get a lot of things going on over there. And uh so yeah, So I hope that was helpful for you.

And that came from Andrew, So thank you Andrew for reaching out. Um. You know, I've been on quite a few television shows as of late, and unfortunately they don't allow you to name them. Mm hmm. There's some that don't allow you to do that, so I can't name them. But yes, if you thought you saw me on a couple of shows just recently, you are correct. One I'm on several episodes and and another I'm on a single episode. So at the same time, so yeah, that's that's been fun.

And I appreciate you guys that have been reaching out wondering why I haven't spoke about it. It's because of that, um yep, to to It's just just is what it is. I don't know. Um, you think free advertisement, right, it doesn't always happen with certain programs, but you know, what can you do? Uh? So any who, let's let's continue here. I've got another short email, UM do do do do? All right, so this one says, dear hiding, that's me. I used to have regular encounters with shadow people that

would usually come by when I had sleep paralysis. I get irritated when I hear that word, those two words sleep paralysis, because again, that wasn't a thing until oh gosh, this heidy person has been out there speaking about it to the world. I sure have. Uh. Then they're like, well, we gotta explain this away. Oh, let's just say everything is sleep paralysis, that little odd thing that was in the back of my medical book while I was in college. That was like, you know, it just happened so rarely,

you know, now it's a big thing. All right. Anyways, Okay, said to continue, Sometimes accompanied oh, I ain't going to read that part I didn't expect. I'll leave that to your imagination with sometimes accompanied by something uh, and would stand over me until I was able to move my right arm away and cast them out in the name of Christ. Okay, you guys, did you catch that? Okay, I'm just gonna gonna skim over it again because I

was goofing. Um. So they used two regularly have encounters with shadow people and that would come by during quote sleep paralysis and sometimes accompanied by a certain type of dream, and would stand over this person until they were able to move their right arm and cast it away in the name of Jesus Christ. Amen, there we go. Um. I lightened up heavily on religion since then and have had no encounters for fifteen years. Oh, okay, we're not

sink in. Huh. Do they no longer come by because they don't see me as a threat where I am not as religious anymore? Or do you think the fact that I kept casting them out and name of Christ scared them away? Oh? Oh, you guys, raise your hand if you knew what I'm gonna say, just raise your hand. Um. This is this is a really nice set of questions here,

Todd Um, thank you for writing. UM. I think this is this is going to be slightly um involved and uh, we're gonna we're gonna dig a little bit deeper on this after the break because yeah, that that that's um, that's something that I like to tap into under the bit and um and I think it's an ongoing theme on different levels for people that listen to this program.

I think I think I think we all kind of got this understanding, like why with something challenge one person less or more for another and uh, oh it gets it gets complicated, all right, you guys. Um, yeah, so we're gonna we're gonna revisit this and dive deeper after the break and uh yeah, and I see a giant email here that you guys probably gonna dig big use I don't know what's in it, all right, you guys.

You are listening too Dark to Complate with me, Hey Hollis, I Heart Radio Coast to Coast AM Paranormal Podcast Network. We'll be right back. Welcome back. You are listening to Dark to Comes Light with me, Idy Hollis on the I Heart Radio it Coast to covet AM Paranormal Podcast Network. Just before the break, Sorry to drag it out there. I was like, man, if I dive in right now, this is going to really get all that stuff. So

I kind of drunk it out. I admit it. I hate when people do that, but sorry, I did it. I did it. Confession. Oh man, all right. So just for the break, guys, we got an email here from Todd and he used to be regularly attacked according to this short but really endpth email. Um, it has a lot of a lot of heart for myself because I'm like, I want to hit this. I want to hit it. So I had a lot of like encounters, right and then they're just like, you know, constantly casting it out

in the name of Jesus, go away, you know. And then they kind of stopped with and they said religion. They stopped with it, like just kind of lightened the load of it. And then the encounters with these shadow people stopped after having it regularly for a long time, and then no encounters for fifteen years. So they're just like, okay, hold on, hold on, why did this happen? Like did they no longer come because this person isn't a threat

anymore because they're not religious. Or you know, do I think and they're asking, do you think the fact that I kept casting them out in the name of Christ scared them away? Okay, so we could be reasonable, we could say both, right, we could say that, we could say that. But the thing is that you noted here. You did not say after this last time I cast them out in the name of Jesus, like I think that one was just special and so they stopped coming.

But you did this on the regular to make them them go away, right, So it's it's not like this is your regular, every day sprinkling of some Jesus on it um. So, but you know, and it's it's kind of one of those things like, well, why wouldn't it leave always when you just say it once? You know Jesus name go. You know, there's a thing called protection that you need to build up around yourself too, because yeah,

it'll leave when you say it. But it's it's it's interesting, you know, we don't know why it's there always, We don't know why it's attached, we don't know why it's lingering. We don't know, and so unless you kind of uh bless the area and clear it out, it could keep coming. Back. So it's it's important to keep keep that that wall of protection up. But but you mentioned how you stepped away from your religious beliefs. I don't know why. I don't know why. Sometimes people get angry with God. Okay,

A lot of us do. Okay, I put myself in there. I mean, it's just I think it's a very human feeling. It's kind of like, you know, you get angry that you burned your tongue on something. It's like we all get angry, right, are disappointed? Um you know, it's it's just it's very very human and apparently on the cross and Jesus says, you know, Father, why you're forsaken me? He felt abandoned, right, Um So even he was disappointed, even he questioned and doubted a little bit. They're like,

hold on, you know what's going on here. That's my understanding anyway. Um A lot of people might say no, no, never, I don't know. I mean, that's that's my understanding. Um So I think that I don't know. I don't know. I don't know why I stepped away from it. But you stepped away, and you know a lot of people did during some of the crises that was seen in

some of the churches, especially in the Catholic religion. A lot of people were really let down by those who you know, looked down their nose at at them and they were doing the worst. So um, you know, I know people that were thrown out of the church because they got a divorce, uh, you know, things like that. So it's um, yeah, I mean I can imagine. It's like, hold it, my whole life was disrupted and they were doing this. You know, Oh, I am not going to

believe in this religious stuff. Now there goes that keyword. You put the word religion in here. Religion. Faith is a different thing, Okay. Religion is that organized thing, right, It's like a matter of having to follow this belief system, right, um, traditions, rituals, even um. You know. And so when I hear religion, I think of this construct that makes me think of how I had to sit still at church on these hard wooden pews that hurt and it would make my

my legs squeak because I had a dress on. Um. So I mean it's that restricted space and it felt so formal. So um, so you itightened up on that, or did you lighten up on your faith or was it both? I am leaning towards both because you noticed something changed, Like, I wonder what it was like for you. You're asleeping and you're like no shadow people. I just kind of put aside my religious beliefs and stopped going to church or stop praying or got angry at God

because somebody died or something horrible happened. Uh, you know, so you have to notice in so, did something change inside of you? Did you notice that, you know, rock on devil? I don't know, Like, yeah, I'm all good with us now, I'm just kidding. But it's like something there's something that you notice and that you're asking this question that you're feeling the way that you're feeling, like, is it because of this? Do I need to get right with this again? Do I need to start going

to the building down the street to be okay? Um? You know, And I'll tell you when it comes to churches, they serve a great purpose, they really do. They helped teach the belief the faith right and traditions and rituals and whatnot. I don't know how else we get the word if we don't have them to reach out and to inform and take the time to learn, you know about it. Um. But for myself, as a kid growing up, I did go to church, but after that I did not.

But am I Christian? Oh yes, for sure, Um, But I think that there is a way of expressing our beliefs to be okay outside of a building, you know. But I understand the congregational needs and coming together. It's a wonderful thing. It's a beautiful thing. Is that one necessary? I don't think so. Is it awesome when it clicks? Heck? Yes, you know. I've gone to church over the years here and there, but nothing really consistent. But the community, the smiles,

the love. I mean, somebody once expressed or noted, uh that the different faiths, the three big ones, have these certain characteristics that are seen from an observational point of view, and uh to say, like, you know, the religious faith of those who are Jewish, they have a lot of traditions and and things that get passed along. And the Muslim faith they have various rules and uh do what's

expected of them. And then there's the Christian faith that we're just all about love and love your neighbor and love love love. It's interesting, right, and you know, so we we've got these basis of our faiths and uh, you know, and a lot of people like, well, that's just too brief to say that's all it is. I'm I'm not trying to say that that's all there is to you know, the other faith or even the Christian faith.

I'm not aiming to insult anyone, but I'm just saying that, Uh, when we think of our faiths, our religions, what comes to mind that makes us feel we have to be right there in the nook of it to be able to get it, you know. I mean you're asking, did

I somehow get defeated? And so I wasn't a challenge or a threat any longer to these things to keep trying to take advantage of me, these shadow people, and you know what that you're even questioning that makes me a little bit concerned because I always say trust your gut, and apparently your gut is thinking about it, like where did your heart go when you stepped away from it? What made you suddenly change? You know, I don't know, did you just not have time on Sundays or did

you just stop reading the Bible? I don't know what what it means for you to be religious. You know. Um, I always think of those types of things and you know, the things to practices that people do to show their part of a religion. Um. So yeah, I mean, what what was it? What was it? Does it feel like you took away something of your faith when you stepped away from whatever your practice was to show your religion now? Um, and if there is a little step down, yes, there

is a possibility that these things saw an opportunity. Unfortunately, I'm sorry to say. Uh. I find a lot of people that have no faith do get approached by these things, um, until they you know, break down even more so. But then you're asking also, I mean, it's it's it's kind of complicated. I understand it's complicated as I'm speaking it out, but you're asking also, do you feel like you cast

it out? Again? I don't think so, because it's something you always did, like I would stay there until you've got your hand free and said in Jesus name, go away. So I'm leaning towards like, well, this person dropped in their faith maybe and so they saw like you know, easy sailing right here, because you noticed a big difference, a big change with their approach with you right, That's what I'm hearing. A big difference, not in fifteen years, because right then is when you stepped away from your

religious beliefs. So I am thinking that, um, yeah, you might be best to look back into it. Are they darkly influencing you? I don't know. Potentially that sounds horrible, wasn't it. But I mean we get influenced all the time. You know. It's like I love popcorn and when I see a commercial, I want to go get it, even though I usually have some already. But you know what I'm saying, So we're easily influenced, like did it did it conquer something? Do you feel something? Contemplate that? You know?

I'm gonna say a few more things about that after the break before you get to the big email. All right, you guys, you are listening to Dark Becomes Light with Me Heidi Hollis on the I Heart Radio and Coast to Coast AM Paranormal Podcast Network. Stick around, We'll be right back. Welcome back. You are listening to Dark Becomes Light with me Heidi Hollis Annie I Heart Radio, Coast to Coast a AM paranormal podcast network. I hope I made sense on that last segment. You know, sometime every

time they think it could be complicated. Because I am such a fan of people's own guts. I don't think there's a psychic in the world, and I know some of the best, if not one of the best, uh, that can say that your gut is wrong. I mean this person taught that wrote me. It feels like there's something that must have happened that must have taken place for these things to step aside. Did they just get tired of him saying and Jesus name go away? Um? I don't think so, because it sounds like this was

happening pretty regularly. Yeah, Jesus could do anything, you know, So I wouldn't say absolutely no because I don't know everything. Uh, but this for this person to have stepped forward and said, you know, I had this pretty regularly, and then that's about when I stopped really you know, having that edge and thing, and uh, it's like, hold on, they don't have an interest in me anymore. You know. I get a lot of people nine times out of ten pretty

close anyways. Uh. People are are are talented or insightful and gifted where these beings get attracted to people and They aim to break people down. They aim to shake their faith that you know, going to weaken the needs to doubt themselves. Um, I don't think you doubted yourself, Todd. I don't think you did, because you use the name of Jesus on this thing, right and uh, but you started doubting your faith somehow. It seems to be you've noted it. Um, And I'm just kind of picking it apart.

So I hope that makes sense for you, Todd and everybody else that's listening. It's like if you're having the battles battles all the time with shadow people and you're like, oh, no, I am not going to go and do this prayer thing anymore. I'm not gonna and sending shadow people stop coming to the door. Ah yeah, yeah, yeah, I'd say something's something's up, Like they're like, well, we can put our efforts someplace else. And I have to tell you

this too. When these shadow beings put a lot of effort into somebody, it's because they are quite the prize, quite the prize, And um, why did they stop? Why did they stop? Work is hard? Did they win? Maybe? Maybe? And we don't like maybe, so be certain tighten up those beliefs a little bit there, Todd, and uh, your

battles might begin again. But guess what. You can always go to my group on Facebook, Shadow People, hat Man Experiencer, or my books Secret War hat and the hat Man Books, both of them to you how to get rid of these things. And if you send me an email, I will always send it to you as well. So, um, yeah, and how to clear out your space. Okay, So this giant email or is it or is it there? It is? Okay, I got it here, I got it here alright, this

one says dear Heidie again. That is me. When I was almost three years old, my family moved from Michigan to Kentucky because my dad had purchased a convenience store in Lexington. Some people might think this is b s because I would have been too young to remember, but oddly enough, I remember a lot of things from my childhood, even at the time, and I was about to turn

three years old. I'm telling you, I get emails from people who recall being in their baby bed, their baby crib, and I'm always amazed by these memories because I'm like, what, who can remember that far back? I could barely remember what I had for dinner. I decided to think of it just now, and I'm like, oh, yeah, I remember. I don't remember yesterday's on never mine. Okay. So continuing, when we got to Kentucky, we moved into a town

house outside of Lexington. It was a two bedroom townhouse, with my older brother and myself sharing a room with two twin sized beds. Alrighty. After living there for a short period of time, my brother and I had went to bed one night and I recall vividly that I

was not able to fall asleep. We had a window mounted air conditioning unit and in our room, so it had just kicked on as I was looking at it, looking at it, Okay, Both of our beds were against the wall on each side of the room, and our feet were pointed towards the side of the room that had the door for the entry and a closet. All right, I'm trying to get it in my head, okay, alright, alright, Um.

As I was hearing the air conditioning unit kick on, I looked a bit to the left and there was an at least eight foot tall, dark shadow man wearing a top hat standing in front of the closet door. Goose bumps. Anybody eight ft tall? Eight feet tall, that's humongous. So for a three year old, well, I'm sure as you grew older you're able to better judge how tall this thing was. Um okay, So continuing, ikey, everybody absolutely EAPs. Okay. It looked like it was wearing a long black cloak.

It at a completely black face with no features and a black top hat. He stood there for a couple of seconds. I don't care how many times I hear about these guys. I'm very visual, very visual when I read these things. I watched the movie in my head of it, and um, I've learned it's called synaesthesia, and I just see this happening. So yeah, synesthesia. What is synesthesia? Well, it's it's not amnesia. Synesthesia's like a crossing of your senses and where some people like might hear music or

something and they see colors dancing in the air. Where I hear stories and people telling me things and I see it playing out. It's so goose bumps. Okay. Anyways, that was a long explicitanation for Okay. He stood there for a couple of seconds, and I remember feeling totally frozen in fear, and all of a sudden he was sitting on the side of my small, uh twin size bed, staring down at me. Really he moves quick, guys, this is so typical of him. Against his face and it

had no features. Okay again I think they mean again his face had no features. I do not prove frea these Okay, I'm sounding it out as I go along. So again his face had no features and was completely black. As I laid there, completely frozen, he did not make a move, but just sat there staring at me. At some point I must have fallen asleep, and when I woke up, he was gone. M hm. The next night when we went to bed, I had kind of forgotten about it and was too young to really rationalize what

I saw. Hold on here, but the fear, that fear, guy, I mean, hold on you, guys. This is this is a trump. I've had people who are like a toddler. This is this is a toddler three years old. I mean that's little. Uh it just turned three years old. This kid and the fear that gets instilled in a child,

it's so pure and so innocent. Like I had a guy right me I believe they thought they were still like one and a half years old or something, and to have hat Man step in the room and look in their baby crib and this telepathic message was given to him that if you cry, I'm going to kill you. Can you hear me? Hat Man can instill in a baby that it's going to die, It's gonna ceased to exist.

Imagine that being that young and being able to interpret that goes to show our souls are multilayered, right to be able to observe and let it sink in, like what is death? You know? If you sit down to try to explain to a child, well, you know, like I was a kid lost my mother. What do you mean Mom's not coming home? You know, like that concept was like, well, because she's with God. I'm like, God

kidnapped my mother. I mean, kids, it's so difficult to explain something sometimes, you know, and it's like that it just doesn't sink in. And in an instant here we have this person saying that they were fearful right but later on could really rationalize it, but new to have fear, and that it was strange it didn't have a face.

I mean, I don't know. I mean, I'm just kind of kind of rationalizing some of this myself here, but I'm telling you, I had another person that wrote that had, um, there was an absolute baby being bottle fed and saw hat man and had the fear struck right in them. I mean, just unbelievable, unbelievable. Okay, So continuing where was I? Okay, could not rationalize what I saw. I didn't mention anything to my parents either. I mean, imagine that's a three

year old. It's a three year old. It's like, did I tell my parents? I guess not. Um. So, as I lay there trying to fall asleep, oh my gosh, suddenly he was there again, standing in front of the closet, and then suddenly sitting on the side of my bed staring down at me again. Oh my gosh, Oh my gosh. Okay, I got chills. I got chills. I just I mean, you, guys, if you haven't seen something move and normally quick as these things do, you just don't know how easy it

is to question reality. It is freaky disturbing. And when you think of these things being another dimension of a sort where they can distort things where we're moving kind of slow because I've had out of body experiences in this place moves very so loud, and for these things to go skipping along the way they do it is really freaky. Um. All right, I gotta continue this after

the break because it's getting dark again. All right, you guys, you're listening to Dark Becomes Light with me Hidie Alice on the I Heart Radio and Coast to Coach they am You're a normal podcast network. H welcome back. You are listening to Dark to Comes Light with me, Heidi Hollis Bunny, I aren't Radio and Coast to Coast they am paranormal podcast network. Oh boy, this is for the break. We were in the midst of a very large email. And uh it's disturbing hat Man going after a toddler

once again, very popular victim of choice for him. Nothing out of the ordinary, nothing to see here, except it enrages me every single time when I hear about this. What a way to start off your life. Huh. Oh the double page I visit. Oh it makes me angry. All right, So, um, before I go off into my rants, let's finish this email, all right. Um, So hat Man has returned again. Besides the bed of this three year old.

What's the name John? John? Okay, So again hat me shows up and uh again frozen in fear, of course, but I didn't get the feeling that this thing wanted to harm me. Oh boy, This pattern continued, You guys, listen to this night after night until it got to the point where I was no longer afraid of this thing. It would sit on my bed and stare at me,

and I would stare back. Oh, some conditioning that's going on here, Some conditioning, all right, I recall no longer being fearful and even somewhat relaxed, as I had gotten used to him coming. You hear this conditioning. Shortly before I turned five years old, my parents decided to move back to Michigan. The neighborhood my dad's store was in had gotten really bad, and my dad didn't feel safe and no longer running the store, so he sold it. When we left back to Michigan, I no longer saw

the figure and never really told anyone about it. Moving forward a few years to the time I was around nine years old and we had just moved into a new house. I was playing hide and seek with my brother and cousin, and I hid in my parents closet. Why is it the closet? Why is that always the closet? Okay, As I was sitting down at the bottom of the closet, a completely black hand, Oh I got chills, which appeared to be wearing a black glove. Hand reached down from

in between the clothes. This is a nightmare. It was a nightmare that we're hanging and just way saved high like wiggling its fingers. Oh gosh, I am you guys. It started. The chill started on the tops of my thighs this time, and it spread from my shoulders out like I had wings. I don't know. I don't know. I like describing where my chill come from, and that's

where they went. Okay, I was immediate lee, just fascinate. Okay, hold then I was immediately just fascinated and had the overwhelming feeling that this hand belonged to the hat entity and that he was just checking in on me. After that, I never saw him again. Who fast forward about twenty five years and I suddenly started thinking about these incidences, and I decided to just look online to see if

anyone had experienced anything similar. My jaw almost hit the floor when I saw that hat Man as they call him, is a commonly seen shadow figure. Wrong that is reported all around the world. Yeah, but wrong, Okay, Um, I mean I have to explain that a second. I had no idea and just thought it was a unique experience. But I was blown back to see all the content. Sometimes hat Man will just have a brimmed hat, while others report him wearing a top hat, just like I saw.

Most people tend to think it's a demonic figure that means harm, but I never got the feeling that he wanted to harm me at all. Some say what happened is just sleep paralysis, but why would people all see the same thing? To this day, I have no doubt about what I saw, and to me, this is real John oh boy. Uh yeah, you know it's all interesting. You know when you start a conversation on something and uh, everybody's around the world saying, oh, guess what it does,

says it does that this is actually the pattern. Um. You know. I took a long time to come forward to share exactly what he was and what he was doing, because he was so horrific and he was causing a lot of have it to people that I know personally that I had to take steps back and prepare people around me because I was going to talk about him. And that's how much of a disruption he is in

people's lives. Um, he wasn't messing with me. He was messing with those around me, the people that would like serve as a protective barrier so I don't feel isolated. So I don't get, you know, in this this desperate mode or something where I had nobody to vent too. So he was going after them, and I was like, okay, hold on, I have to tell my friends and family and co workers even um, hey guys, I'm gonna talk about the devil. That's what you gotta do to protect yourself.

So I could take my steps forward. And he is not a shadow person. When I first introduced shadow people and the hat man phenomenon, I initially called him the hat man shadow and it took me a couple of years. I had to backtrack a bit. I'm like, he's something different, okay, because he controls the other beings. He is the head honcho to them, okay, and he could step out from the shadows and be absolutely solid. That is uh something that I've been talking about for years. It came from me,

started for me, always is me. Anybody else talking about it, that's where they got it from. Um, that's not gonna tell you because it's just been there's been so many distortions out there on the content and what I've been doing for so long, and to have somebody pop along, Oh guess what, I'm a genius. No, no, this is not new. I've been talking about this from the start.

That he is solid, he wears clothes, uh, he has skin, He could see him clearly, and yeah, he could step into the shadows just like a human could and kind of blend in, though he can step in through dimensions. So he's a little bit better at that game. But here we have this guy who felt like, oh it's

not so bad. You know. Hat man conditions children to get used to him, so he can you know, wave hello, check on his uh, his his uh, how can I say, his protege, his student, and making sure he's on the path be used to my energy because I'm going to be visiting and trying to control you later. Um. Yeah, so he is something that is not not to be taken lightly. And you know, I'm sad to hear that this person felt like, well, he felt somebody I could rely upon, you know, to be there. It's like, yeah,

because he conditioned you to do that. You're fearful. You you had that automatic reaction to have fear until it went away because he kept conditioning you to get used to his presence. I hope that makes sense to you because that's what took place. He lets you get used to letting your guard down with him around, and it's a it's a terrible, terrible thing to have happened, because then he gets a little bit closer, a little bit closer.

I've had people tell me they fell in love with him as a child because he was comforting, because their parents might not have been comforting. Who knows why. They were dependent more on that presence too. So he was that shoulder to lean on. He was always there. Uh so yeah, and um so yeah, hat man, where's a burn hat? Sometimes? Sometimes he wears no hat. Sometimes he wears a cowboy hat sometimes. I mean he really mixes it up. He doesn't even always wear black. Uh huh,

he mixes that up as well. And yeah, is he a demon? He is? And you know, guys, here is a perfect example of somebody which I get probably once a week of a person saying I thought it was the only one, because I've heard from a lot of people that say randomly, you know, oh, maybe maybe you're creating this phenomena because you're telling people about it. No, No, it's the other way around. People are experiencing these things years years ago before I spoke. They just didn't know

what it was. And why am I the person to speak on it. Well, that's a big, long, juicy story. Uh. People think I got this information independent of anything, But I'm telling you some people here, like myself, we can remember before we were born. We can remember why we came here. And I'm one of those people. I remember before I came here without hypnosis, but through something really odd and unique that I haven't come across personally by other people except for some who are like, oh yeah,

me too. Yeah, I've had that happen with something I regret sharing. Oh gosh, people are something else. Just to speak brief, I shared, Uh, military abduction I had that was quite unique, and I'm like, I'm going to tell you this in private. I really don't want to talk about it too much. Next time I spoke to that person after like a year. Do you know I had this really unique military abduction. What it was my story

being repeated back to me. Yeah, yeah, it happens. Uh So again here we are, guys, Um, but where was I? So this person is asking, you know, why are all people seeing the same thing. It's because it's not sleep paralysis. There's actually something going on and hat Man is actually

the devil, so demon of all demons. Uh so. Yeah, I hope that this was helpful for you, John, Thank you so much for writing me and for sharing that, because man, it's it's horrible out there, guys, a lot of things that are going on, and people are getting fooled by this hat Man and people wonder why it's going on. It's because he conditions people sometimes. All Right, you guys, don't forget to go to my main website, which is Heidi Hollis dot com or shadow Folks dot com.

Tell me your stories and follow me on Instagram, Twitter, Facebook at one Heidi Hollis and reach out. You know, don't don't forget that we're all pulling for each other in this world and helping each other out is what it's all about. And showing a little love and sprinkling some Jesus on it to keep these negative things away. How's that I always learned something new, and I hope you guys do too. All Right, you guys, we've come

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