Episode 111: Beyond Roswell!

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is Heidi Hollis dot com. For those of you who do not notice all my name, shadow folks dot com will also take you there and tell me your stories. Tell me all the finer details. I have had a salut like an epidemic of people who are just like I've got the best story ever. You know, just write me and I'll tell you more. Well, what do you think that? What do you think that forum is for? Not to ask me to request something from you? It is bizarre. I mean, people can hear me clearly right

right and tell me your stories. Tell it right there. That's a place. That's a spot. I don't need to get hold of you to ask again, No, I hope not. Or the one liners. I get a lot of one liners. Saw something once, big bird? What do you think I actually got that one once? Um? So, I mean, you know, I'm not a psychic, though some of my psychic friends would say otherwise, but uh, I need to hear it.

I need to hear the details. And everybody listens to this show, they're like those are the best when people give the details are the super duper long emails. I know, I know, I know, so um yeah, I'm a fan of your letters. So send him on in. And you know what, guys, I gotta tell you what today is about. Today, I have Jesse Marcel coming on the show. If you do not know that name, then you don't know UFOs.

You don't know where it all began with the nineteen seven Roswell New Mexico UFO crash and what happened with that same name, Jesse Marcel, because that name has been passed down through generations. And we have the grandson of the Lieutenant Colonel Jesse Marcel on the program today, and wow, he's gonna go places that you never ever expected. You thought you knew the story, but you really don't, you really don't. So yes, we're going to have a conversation

with him. Really great guy. I have talked to him so many times over the years. We kept in touch and just always always something new and uh yeah, uh there's there's a lot to learn yet and still but you know what those first segments about. This first segment is about talking about whatever and your emails, the outlanged corner stuff. Um So, uh I got I got into a conversation with somebody today. I gotta tell you, UM, always look for me on social media at one Heidi Hollis,

that's that's me. Put a one in front of my name, and uh chat with me. I chat with people all the time. I don't be afraid, don't be scored, scared scored And people are like, wow, you responded, Yeah, I can and I do sometimes. Um So, I got, um, I have a conversation with somebody. I have a group on Facebook called Paranormal Pledge. That's where you raise your right hand. It's where you're going to tell at least one other person that you've experienced something out of the ordinary.

I mean, tired of keeping it to ourselves and we gotta grow, we gotta take steps. Okay, so join that group if you'd like. I also have the Shadow People and hat me an experiencer group there too. But today I got into a conversation with somebody who is um really? UM asked an interesting question and this is something that gets asked every so often, okay, and it was like, so, first off, who's here? I'm like, Ariam, Like, what do you think if I use a witch a board. What

do you guys think? I said, don't do it. Don't do it? I mean why It's like and then it's like, well, what if I have really positive vibes and thoughts like shouldn't be okay? No, no, no, no, it's not okay. You know. It's like, well, but but what if this?

And what if that? What if this scenario? And I'm like, you know, once again, no, I have had so many it's probably in the hundreds now of people who have contacted me and said I played with the witch word and lo and behold, I got shadow people coming at me.

I started having nightmares, or hat man came and said thank you, you know, or I got this demon speaking through I thought it was my sister this whole time, but then it threatened me, and then things started moving and this and that, and then I've also had, you know, like something out of one of those old I don't know, teen movies or college kid movies where everybody's playing the Wedgi board and somebody dares or says something stupid and

then bad things happened to them. Yeah, I've had those groups, but you know, the one person that something happened bad too, and how it followed them for years and they couldn't shake it or they felt they had a lot of bad luck after that incident. Okay, I mean, I am not kidding. These movies come from people like me who know how to right well or something. You know, I didn't make my stuff up. But you know, there's a lot of fictional writers out there who take from reality.

Look at all the people have ripped off shadow people or hat Man. So it's like, what what you know? What? Of course, these things are coming from things that might have happened. It might have been a rumor somewhere, and these people are real it happens to them. Sometimes it's it's something that seems innocent, right, but it blows up into other things. And so I'm going to share something that happened to myself and using a wage aboard as a teenager, Yeah, I did, I did. Um. I'm trying

to remember how I got that wage aboard. Huh, I don't know, I don't know. I can't remember. I can't remember if it was like gifted to me or something. I think it was. And I'm like, huh, what's this, you know, trying it out, and I'm like, well, this is interesting, you know, and uh I I played it with my sister and I took it to school. It's

for you know, just hanging out playing. I mean, it seems silly, but you know, there's a lot of time in between classes in high school, and so one of the guys just like, you know, saying stupid stuff like we're sitting there playing, you know, I mean my friends or whatever. It's like it's spelling things out and somebody in the class that, oh, that thing is stupid. You know. You know, I dare you to do something or something,

and I am not kidding you. All the lights went out in the high school, all of them, and we all, you know, shrieked like whoa, whoa. And he's like, I'm sorry, I take it back. I take it back. He's like, what's your what's your name? Dude, I'm sorry, And it's spelled a name that none of us were familiar with. But I know now Beazel bub Yeah. Anybody anybody raise your hand if you know that name that that's a demon? Okay, really bad one. Um yeah, it's like wow, okay, sorry, dude, apologize.

You know, I was like I was free, I was a bit freaked. I'm like, huts, it's interesting. I grew up in a haunted house. You guys gotta understand. Grew up in a haunted house. And for me and my siblings, a movie wasn't a movie unless it was a horror movie because it's like therapeutic. So this was like almost a therapeutic thing, like, you know, wow, weird things can happen. I'm not the only one. We're not the only family

like I have. These things happened. I mean, it was like all kind of a uh, you know, trying to find some normalcy. I guess, like this just can't be, you know, just us. So So anyways, yeah, so I guess I was like, well, I've seen worse at my house. You know, I don't know. Um So anyways, I'll tell you this is this is crazy. It's a crazy story. So myself and my younger sister were playing with it, and I'll never forget what it kind of went off the edge of the board and it raised itself up

and came back on the board. I'm like, whoa did you see that? Like it should have got caught, like I should have had to take in my finger and lifted it put it back on. Know it did it

by itself, okay. Um. And then this one day we're playing with it and we're watching TV at the same time, and I'm writing down the letters as they come up and not really paying attention, and my sister is like, you know, during the commercial, pikes, so let's just say and I'm like, I got all these scattered letters and I'm like, it doesn't it doesn't spell anything. I don't say anything here. And she's like, well, all right, you know,

and like put her attention back to the TV. And I don't know, guys, I don't know why, but I kind of leaned back up my chair and I'm looking at this scattered lettering. I'm like, what this doesn't And then I decided to cross out every other letter and it spelled something. It's spelled twisting hair. I'm like, twisting hair. What? And I am looking down. I look at my sister. I get goose bumps right now. Let me thinking about it.

She's got her back to me, you know, her head, and she's got one hand on the board on the planchet and she's twisting her hair. And I said, I'm like almost like preventilating I'm going look, look, look it spelled its spelled something. She's like, what what what? I'm like twisting hair. She's got her finger stuck in her in her in her hair, she's twisting. And then the board spelled something really quick, stop it. It's like we turned. We're like, who is this? It's like your mom. I mean,

we just froze. We're like, mom, Mom, is this you is? It's really you? You know, We're like, oh my gosh, oh my gosh. You know, we got so much to tell you. And then my sister would always twist her hair into knots where my mother had to cut her hair out because she would make such nods. So she was telling her to stop it, and our mom did not engage to have a conversation. No, no, no, She's like, this thing. I've only come to tell you. This thing is evil. You need to stop up now. Do not

break it, do not burn it. Separate this little moving piece with the board and throw it out. Now. I love you both. I have to go. And it just went goodbye. I mean we just bald, you know. I was like, oh my goodness. I had lost my mother when I was seven years old, and here I was a teenager in high school and just like wow, just blew my mind. So um, I had some evil things come on that board. But my mother came through after

all that time to say get rid of it. I tell you, I picked it right up, put into carriage bag, separated the planchet just as she said, and I was done until later and other people had a board. I'm like, oh gosh, why, But that's another story. But you know, just to put that warning out there, guys, do not mass with them because you just do not know what will come through your mom or Basil bo the horrible. All right, you guys, we're in for a treat. We

have Jessie Marcel coming up after the break. You are listening to Dark Becomes Light with me Heinie Hollis, I Heart Radio at Coast to Coast they am paranormal podcast network. Checker Rocks would be right welcome back. You are listening to Dark Becomes Light with me Heidi Hollis on the high Heart Radio and Coast to Coast a am paranormal

podcast network. As promise, I have a fabulous guest, Jessie Marcel, who was a successful inventor, published author, and public speaker, A guiding love of the unknown can be traced back to an unconventional childhood where space travel and the possibility of extrasolar life, where bedtime stories being His grandfather was

Lieutenant Colonel Jesse Marcel. He was the lead investigator into the crash of what he thought was a UFO in the deserts of Roswell, New Mexico, in n Jesse Marcel's visionary approach to the future is being applied currently to aerospace and medical technologies like his current projects Alien Alora, dot Com, Airborne Motor Works. He is the Chief Design Officer and Halo Cybernetics, the CEO and director and Abstract Site Production. So I'd like to welcome Jesse Marcel to

the program. How are you doing there, Jesse, Oh, I'm fantastic. Just another day in paradise from Washington State. A little looking out there, went O's a little gray, but it's warm. Well, I mean, you have been somebody I've spoken to several times over the years, and uh the record, you are Jesse Marcel the third. I mean, your family name just

keeps growing, and uh, it's it's interesting, you know. I was just talking to you just before we were recording and and I'm like, don't tell me there's a jesting arself the forth Like no, it's like I didn't do

that too. I'm like, okay, that's okay. It's super confusing, it would yes, so tell us you know your background, Um, you know it's so rich, but you are always venturing into different areas and uh, I'd love for people to catch up to what what do this that droup to these days when I when I talk about this or or you know, the sort of thing, it's like, I think that being part of that original family that was you know, kind of a us so deeply involved in

Roswell and that kind of thing and the public or the talk around the dinner table and that kind of thing left me with a very interesting perspective of the world around us. And that is basically that you know, it's all open. There are no you know, there's no boundaries. It can't be explored, um and and not not to you don't have to really go with the common you know,

the common denominator though, well rousal was this? Well rousal was that you know obviously from where I said, I've heard it all, you know, in many variations some are very far fetched, some are really close, some are obviously um you know right on um. So it gave me a perspective on on everything. And as such, I opened myself up through my education, through through through college and

that kind of thing. Um. I explored a bunch of different areas aerospace, ended up by getting involved in statistics sharing. I was kind of interested in kind of a philosophical sense, um. But all of those led me down to where I'm at today, and that's where most of my life on an hourly basis is spent really you know, inventing, which

almost sounds cliche, but I do. I come up with the concept, then a prototype, then I do a patent, and then I released into a chain of one or two different companies and then they go and take off with it. So that's my daily life. That's why I do. For the most part, I still have. I've still it

really involved in Roswell, I had. I was given a wonderful opportunity this past year to be part of a ceremony, a ceremony, excuse me, in Roswell, where I was given the little speech when my grandfather was given given a star so to speak on their walk of fame. Um hit him in Stanton Friedman and his daughters were there. It was a really wonderful experience. So again like I couldn't have been happy with that. Wow, that's real. That

is really cool. It did a great job. But that sounds like have you been accused of or I don't know, hypothesized that. Well, you're so smart, because obviously aliens must have had something to do with you and your family. I mean, and that's you have these interests and abilities that you do. When I started out, what I did is, you know, as a kid, it was kind of like

you know, a flying car, etcetera. And there's there's the there's a lot of talk to even some companies out there working on really quad copters almost you sit in and you know, pray that you don't crash anyway. So there's a lot of that kind of thing. But I was taking a different respective. I I'm into sports cars,

that kind of thing. I used to do a little bit of racing and and I took that excitement and then I apolo, Okay, what it would it take to get when he used to fly, and to get what it was to fly there was It wasn't really a propulsion system that would work. You can't really use a propeller and a motor which people are trying to make work. So I so I went there and created this different propulsion system and that was kind of the the starting

of a lot of what I do now. But um, it's it's it's it's just an interesting world when it comes to all this stuff, and it's it's exciting. But having said that, it's like when I first when some of the designs I had for a flying sports car um started hitting you know, different Internet and that kind of thing, and I was, I can't tell you how many people you know said I you know who told you how to do this? The aliens telling you do

you gain this? Is this from Roswell? Is based on secret formulas, secret information that you gain from Roswell or passed down from your dad or grandfather. And my my thing was, well, if it was putting my head from aliens, I don't know, but I'll take it. If that's the way it is, I have no idea. Um And unfortunately this phase of my life happened after my father had

passed away. But I can't I can't help. But you know, he was part of that that driving force to explore, to to uh you know, just to to to to ponder the those things that other people might not waste any time on. So to look at the excitement for for Christmas. It's kind of funny. We grew up and I built this book I've read behind. It's called The American Scientific and it's a it's a book of experiments

from the fifties and sixties. Most of them would get you in trouble if you try to him to day, but uh, but in it were just a host of experiments that we did growing up. Like one was, you know, my dad built an adam smash in our basement. Uh we we I and my brother and with his help we were we we built rockets, but not the kind that you'd buy in a store. We actually went out and got the chemicals and built our own engines. And there was a whole story behind, you know, my brother

losing his eyebrows because of it. You know, just all we had all kinds of stuff. But so we were never quite the typical. You know, if you in the family, we just seem like we're you know, we are typical. But you know, later on life had dawned on us that not everybody talked about alien life and UFOs and and and science and and string theory and as casual conversations. Um, but that's what it was. But it was a very

it was very interesting. But it was all those things that my my father basically put my head growing up. All the stuff. And my grandfather too, I was you talk about. I was very lucky that I was able to spend time on a buy you with him with a fishing pole. Um, so I got to learn more about him. He was. He was a genius in his

own right. Um. And it's kind of funny. It's like I I now have quite a number of patents out there and that kind of thing on different technologies I'm working on, and then my companies and the But my grandfather actually had a patent for doing on the back of a television like a like some kind of an extension doubling. You know, where you could put you could you could run a chord into it, run that chord

into with something else. I I don't really know what the whole thing was about them, but I heard a little bit about it. But it's interesting because he actually was involved in an inventive process. My dad was involved in an inventive process. He was he was working deeply into silicon solar cells and a very quite a number of years ago. And uh, he would have probably received some patents from someone's work, but he didn't realize you

didn't you know, the process for doing it. But so that again, that has kind of probe through our family through over the years, so since the very beginning. That's scinating. And it's even your grandfather, that's that's really cool because I mean here he was in the military. My father was also he worked for NORAD and he invented things, but it went under the guys of the military. However,

you know, it's like it's unsung heroes. I think, well, it's like my grandfather was a TV repair man back in the day, way young he got there's he he got in trouble because a few pennies you'd get together. We're doing whatever. You'd be whatever you could do as a small child back in that in that era, to get some money, you go and buy components, radio components

and build radios in a barn. And he was always apparently getting in trouble because he was wasting his money on this kind of stuff and why are you you know, doing any of that kind of stuff. But obviously it's it kind of paid off. Yeah my goodness. So yeah, not not typical at all, but you know, there's there is a pattern with people who are inventors of an extreme sort where they say, you know, I wake up and I felt like I downloaded this over the night

or something. It's like I don't know where it's coming from, but they almost feel like there is an outer source sometimes for some of their way out their ideas and how to do it. I mean, do you feel like you get a download or you just like visualize and it's coming from a deeper place or I mean coming from a deeper place. It's it's like sometimes I'll be working on something and it'll just be bothering me and

I can't figure it out. I can't figure it out, and I go to sleep and next morning it's like, wow, that was obvious, and then I can and I can do it. And that happens over and over again. So you know, whether it's coming from like some kind of a RESTful subconscious state of some kind, or if it's you know, there's all there. There's so many. You know, you go out there and and you know was there you know with Roswell, what was passed out? Obviously, information, story, folklore,

all that kind of thing has passed out. What you know, my family, hell the stuff was was there actually some kind of a transference of some kind? I mean, you know, who knows. There's nothing to say that happened. There's nothing to say it didn't happen. It's kind of like, you know, do believe whatever you want, but it's like, I don't know. I know that I'm blessed with with a certain clarity um that that a lot of that some people don't have.

And it's somethings, but everybody's like that in some way. But some things are are are are simple and clear as day, and other people they have no idea how that even works. So what you know, whatever it is that makes up the human intelligence and all these different experiences and the physiology. But you know, I was lucky.

I think I got I got a good mixture of of of a little bit of this, a little bit that in my and as we talked before the show, was like and my my son is a rock star genius, and it's just it's just it's just interesting how that kind of passes through. I mean, I'm a credible daughter too, but I don't want to say that. But he is. He's just like he is. He's so far beyond what

what you know. It's just interesting because I the things he does are are like he's he's going he just got a scholar have to go to a stem school to for ai And I was, I was, I was joking with him. I said, you realize you're already working far beyond what they're going to educate you with. Is he yeah, but you know, let's do it. It's it's true, it is it's it's like, it's like he's and I put him in the same class as my father. My

father was an absolute genius. I had geniuses tell me how my dad was an absolute genius who is always a nice team here and I'll say that that, I'll say that my son is not same. Well, anywhere we're gonna get to the next break, you know we're gonna do. We're just some cheek swabs in the whole family. See how alien you guys are. Alight? All right, you guys, you're listening to Dark becomes Light with me, Heidi Hollis on the I Heart Radio and Coast to Coast a

am para Normal's podcast network. A welcome back. You are listening to Darker Comes Light with me Idy Hollis on the I Heart Radio Coast to Coast a um para normal podcast network. I have Jessie Marcel and wow, I mean, if you don't know that name, you should. I mean I would say how you wouldn't. Um he is the third in the family with the same name. But you know the Roswell stuff, I mean, absolutely notorious for it. But you've got a big life, Jesse, and you've got

a lot of brains flown through the family. But you've also experienced some super strange things and I would love to dive into that, so please do share. You've been dealing with the paranormal as well. Huh. I have, and it's it's never been uncomfortable, but it's it's an interesting thing and it's and it's something I completely believe that

maybe exactly how it happens. But we were we we we lived in a place out of classy, Montana and um end up my my dad and by buying a house in Helena, Montana and uh, he that the house was interesting. It was actually an old It was owned by the Catholic Church and it was actually the dorm room for the Catholic Church for quite a number of years.

And we're talking. It was actually it was built in the eighteen nineties, so it was an older place, three story and matching, huge crystal chandeliers and all this kind of stuff. And we moved in. It was always fun, it was exciting, and it was it was by some silver baron. It was like, there's a lot of history

from the house. And we move in there and we started noticing some odd things, you know, like you know, having conversations with somebody and having a painting on the wall fly off, just just walk by, boom, sitting in uh, just different discussions, hearing odd noises and footsteps and and and have you. Um. And you know, as kids were kind of like, well, let's have a seance and see what happened. So I had some very close friends and

brother and sister were you guys. It sounds like a setup from the beginning with the with the church having owned it crystal three floors eight nineties, and then you guys pushed out with the seance I'm like, I'm surprised you're not possessed right now, but okay, I just couldn't hold it anymore, like this is a set up. Of course he was going to be haunted. But now, okay, Jesse, sure, let's let's hear this well that the house was owned by the Tatum that you know back and that they

had it built. And this is Tatum died by she was hit and run over by a carriage in front of the house. And this is like the very if I'm right, for the very early nine hundreds, and so there was a precedence that somebody passed away in the area of the house anyway, But back to it, so we're a lot of strange things happening. You know, maybe

they could be explained away, and maybe they couldn't. And we were we were in and uh in our in our one of the there's like three Foundli was on the first floor and we're in there talking and I think we're referenced I lost my my mother the young age, and we wanted, uh, you know, it's kind of like a Sunds kind of like is anybody listening whatever? And then all at once, every one of the you know,

the around the windows. Everything flew up in that kind of thing, just like it was like what the heck. And it wasn't like it was scary, but it was like, you know, I don't know how I explain this one away. Um, So there was that kind of thing. And and I remember there was one when when when a very good friend of mine sgain you can't have a very close

friend of mine. And Troy Berry and all these people are all good friends of mine, high school friends, and we're all we we got some movies to come back, and everybody's crashed out the house. We're all on the second floor, and so I go turn off all the lights. All lights run up prop on the third floor, which is the ballroom, and all kinds of things, really interesting place. And so I turn all the lights off, and you know, do the usual place, brush my teeth whatever, and I

go down. And and then then also you can just bang, bang bang upstairs, you know, very loud, you know, no no question, there's a lot a lot of noise and stuff going on above us. So I I leave my bedroom and I go out, and I look upstairs, and all lighter back on again. So I actually go in and I wake up my dad, and I said, you know, I think somebody's now because there was a third story, like this little tiny perch up there that you could

get on and get into the house. You know, it would be very difficult to get to, but I figured that's what happened, and and I woke him up, and he was and he was like, no, no, no, you're just hearing blah bah blah bla like oh, okay, they heard it too, And so he went upstairs and and looked around, and he came back and says, there is nothing up there, and turned the lights back off, and everybody, everybody laid down again across around, like, you know, staring

at the ceiling. At this point, it was enough that you know there's something really to this. And then there's a lot more stories that I'm kind of I'm touching the fringes of it. And we had a friend who's my good friend of my dad. He was a very tough military sergeant. Um. Not an incredibly nice guy, but you know, just tough. And they said, well, I'm going to stay up there. You know, I've heard about this stuff,

you guys talking. I'm gonna stay up there. The next morning, he comes down Sarah's and says, nobody stay the night up there. Ever, don't do it. And and he was like with out question there was not it is is that you do not do that. You do not go up there and and spend the night. And that's all I know about it. Whether it was just kind of playing with it or not, but he seemed pretty bit serious about it. And so so we grew up with

that in the house. And there was there was other things like I had a couple of of half sisters my father read married a wonderful one and in their room and in my you know, like there one and two or two and three years old, that kind of thing. And they came and then and then one morning they said, yeah, what one of one of my one of them had had some problems, she had some night terrors, that kind

of stuff. And Mrs Potatum as they called her, you know, because actually Mrs Tatum, but they're a little little little kids, they call her Miss Potatum, was there and she consold them so they they are as little as little girls, had no problems with it at all. In fact, she was a positive presidents presence. She helped calm down and do all these things. So that so again we had no there was no We just you know, kind of we shared the house with this whatever it was, and

that was it, and it wasn't you know. We always thought it was interesting. And I think my sister Denise found this out from the front row. You can look up from the road that run in front of the house. You could look up on the third story and there's this little window. And we realized that there is no room behind that window. And it turns out there's a little there was a room behind this window, but it

was completely it was completely covered over. So it was always one of those mysteries like should we go up the chainsaw and get to it? But he never did. But but yeah, I mean it was interesting and I like I said, I I I have no you know, being that close to it, there was there's something to it, you know, and you know, like, okay, I think about science. What does that mean? You know, is there as souls

or ghosts? Is there is there? You know, move one step out of more of the fringe and into the idea like well, you know maybe you know that you know I thought is that you know, there's different different you know, multiverse. I do believe in that. My father always talked about how you know, if you looked at an electronic as a universe, there's an infinite number of universes larger than you, an infinite number of smaller you.

Just it's like a mirror um and that maybe there's a crossover between you know, different universes and for some reason, for a moment, there's there's like a connection or something like that. But you know who, no ray knows what it was. But all I know is with that house, there was something going on. And I've never been in another house there was anything like it, you know. And I'm not about to hurt the value of it from

people on it now, but it was definitely strange. Well, it's fascinating well with your mind and uh, you know, and you're understanding this connection between all these different things like there there's obviously something going on in this world that allows us to know that there's aliens, there's other presences, and and there's interdimensionals. But I have it under good authority and understanding that even our government of course has

that understanding. And they have and I'm going to suggest you maybe try this once and and and something for all of us to use, like a super advanced e v P like electronic phenomenon type of machine that the government uses to listen to all of the in betweens, like they will go to a location with these certain machines and listen. So I bet you and your genius children could really come up with the NEATST thing. So I'm planning that seed and I'm taking credit for it

and let me know how it goes. That is an interesting I've never thought about it, but I have about three and three ideas coming in my mind right now how to do something like that. So I'll definitely explore that and share whatever. Right I I do tend to look at things a little bit differently for whatever reason, you know, I don't know, but just crazy. But I would really, I'd be all about it because if it I know somebody that's that's created some things along those lines.

But you know, it's like there's always limitations, but every new one he makes it's a little bit better. But you know you're into all this type of thing, I mean, so why not I want to see what you could come up with. Make it purple, please, Like, Okay, I'm all right down right now, it has to be purple. I have somebody else wanted me to build a flying

car with feathers on it, so why not feathers? Even yeah, I swear it's like, you know, when I heard that they were doing that, like so they know who else could make a better, you know, type of listening device. But the government with all with no limits with their budget. But you've got the mind of no, how so hey, I'm I can't wait. I can't wait. What thing that happened?

I don't think it's out of the out of the box for me to say it, but we I do have some patents around some interesting propulsion systems, and the government stepped in actually, and I had to sign releases saying that I did not I did not work for NASA or the Department of Energy or a couple other institutions. So it was interesting. That's not supposed to happen, but they're there. They basically froze it. I signed some paperwork

and then they released it. But it was interesting for one thing, you know, as far as big brother but whatever you want to call our government, is that you know, you think that you're these patents go into a dark box and it's it's this and you're protected. It's like, you know, it's it's people are people are watching that stuff carefully within within our government anyway, just because there's no way they would have known what was in some

of these patents unless they're reading them. So it is interesting. It's not there's nothing that spectacular that I really care that they're reading them. It's just you know, protection and company stuff. But but it was interesting, and I was kind of given this that it was actually kind of where there's a badge of honor because that is not what happens, and he's really have something. I'm thinking, oh good, that's good. So anyway, so yeah, it's like on again,

off again. But um, but no, that's there is there is, and I it's you know, in this whole thing. I was. I was very lucky. I met the best woman. You know, I've been married now for oh gosh, why do I have to say how long? A long time? And and and and she did she she she was she she um believe in some of this stuff, that paranormal, the you know, the all all that and you know that thing. And then and then she got married into the Roswell story. And now she's as big a part of it as

anybody else's Patricia. But she didn't off the house. This is awesome. No, she didn't. She didn't run screaming away, which he probably should have, but she didn't. But it's all it's so it's yeah, so it's it's it's it's truly a family thing, and it's and and and it's it's. I always try to tell people because they my sister takes a different, different look at it. But my grandfather was actually very very amazed at you know, all the people,

and he happened to be that one. It was the right place at the right time, So I think that had the right steps to make something up it. So yeah, you know, yeah, it was burdensome in a lot of ways to him, you know, back to Roswell, but at the end of the day, he thought he was lucky. So so it is so because some people say, oh, there isn't horrible. Yeah, I'm sure there was parts, and there was parts you know that some score your crew.

But but at the end of the last days of life by I think that that's the kind of stuff that I hang my head on us. And he was very problem that's awesome. Well, we gotta get to our next break. You guys, you are listening to Dark Becomes Light with me Heidi Hollis on the I Heart Radio and Coast to Coast am para normal podcast Network. Welcome back. You are listening to Dark Becomes Light with me Heidi Hollis on the I Heart Radio and Coast to Coast

a m para normal podcast network. So Jesse, my goodness, you have so much and so many wild understandings that I have just find amazing. But you're also involved in certain kind of artifact. Can you tell us a little

bit about that? Yeah, if I can give a broad story to start out with, I've been contacted by various governments around the world because they have crash sites of a questionable forgins I guess the right word, and I've been asked to compare and contrast the debris they have from whatever it was to what I understand that the roswell stuff was. You know, that wasn't the material wasn't

like this or was like that. It's always been of interest, and I've had some great conversations and a lot of times with their version of their air force, that kind of thing that does this, but but I've never actually gone out like once in Argentina. I didn't go down there, but I I really should. You know, there's all these different things coming on TV now about finding ancient artifacts. Ebers was ancient Aliens and uh in. One of those

people was Philip Coppins. He was in the very beginning he had I did a documentary together a while ago and before he passed unfortunately, um I spent about decade now, so I've been kind of on the fringe of all of that about getting down and he's he's an Egyptologist. He was, you know, all these things and studied the actuality that you know, old old ancient um ruins, that kind of thing, and I've i've I've never really been involved in that, you know. Really I started with Roswell

and people told me about their stories. That was about it recently in the last year anyway, So people got hold of me, and you know, that led to some interesting conversations and I'm told they have these ancient artifacts and I was like, you know, that sounds interesting, but I was I was a little bit uh you know, hesitant, and said, yeah, you know, I know there's lots of stuff out there, you know, and unfortunately there's a lot of you know, there's obviously a lot of figs and

that kind of thing. It's like, it's like and I'm my life is a crazy busy right now, and it just kind of came down. It's like, well, no, we this is real. And at first I was a little bit on the edge. But the more I got to talk to the people that directly involved in it, I realized there weren't you know, new UFO people. They weren't you know, they weren't that there. They were just regular people that had an experience and it happened to be kind of like my grandfather, the right place at the

right time. Anyway, this um so you can you know, They said, can we send you pictures? I said, yeah, you can't, I said, you know, unfortunately, that doesn't mean a whole lot anymore. I mean, I can you can send pictures and and and they have a lot of legal paper prinds. That's you know, that's fine, But I really don't know what I can do other than say

that looks amazing to me. They were willing to put their reputations on the line and actually sent me some sent me a piece and they're gonna send me some more pieces to be investigated, UM and that and that's all for age. UM. You know, there's there's a quite a number different test for doing on them. It's really turned out to be quite interesting. The more I talked to him, the more I realized the story from them is is that as far as where these came from,

it makes sense. And if you actually look at the objects, it's it's it's I mean, they're tens of thousands of years old and they definitely have an influence from you know, our our alien brethren, um, and how they looked at them. So it's not And now it's just a matter of me of going through I I need. I'm going through and getting them on the very very beginning of this. I have some some partners in it. They're wonderful I wanted.

His name is Dan Hallie, and I work with him on He's he's actually he's a homicide detective and he's bringing his forensic expertise into the picture about how to how to get this and took a very signed hypic and very carefully measured way to to look at this. So if it is real, we want to be without question that's real versus if it's faith, lots a little easier to approve. If that was the case, interesting you call it alien brethren, but could it be lost technology potentially?

I mean, well, this, this, this, these are old jade pieces, um that are that in my opinion, they have been carved by some civilization that have that that definitely they see aliens the same way we do. Um. So, so it's it's not so much you know, I kind of look at it as as that they crossed their beliefs with their sky gods, you know, rain gods, and they intermixed those with alien symbology that kind of thing. So

it's there's definitely a mixture there. And if it's you know, anything more than a thousand years old less, long before anybody you know talked about you know so much, you know, way you talked about a graze or you know, any of these kind of whatever people want to call them. But it's it's definitely has an influence that has the history. If for instance, that this is a fake, it's it's it's interesting because it brings in it has from the right time frame for where the images came from from

their carvings on it that kind of thing. And I'm told that they're into the thousands of these. So so it's a it's a it's a it's a it's very interesting. So it's like, you know, so far I have nothing. I mean, I don't have really proof either way, but

I've definitely slanted the word. This looks very interesting. And at the very least, it was done long before we had the pyramids, the different pyramids, you know, those kind of things, And you look at it that way, and it's kind of like you kind of go through this in your mind because you know, I did talk to the people and I found out it's kind of a hot topic among archaeologists, and it's and it's more like

out to say that you're you're just crazy. It's like that can't be you know, my research shows that couldn't have happened, so therefore it didn't happen. And or on the flip side of that, well, you know, hey, you're nobody. How how in the world did you end up with this in your lap when I should be the one doing this, you know those kind of things. I get this kind of stuff like, oh whatever, um, but for

my limited scope, and I'm not an archaeologist. I have no education, and that for my my limited knowledge of it. And then and is that it looks very interesting. A couple of people that have held and touched it they

feel the same way. And so we're looking, we're building a team around it, and and uh and getting the right you know, it's a slower path that we're getting the right people, because I want to if if this is real, it's it's like ancient aliens on steroids, because it's it's not just it's not just it's not just talking and you know, and and photographs and this it's actually hands on, you know, it's it's actually here. Pick it up, you know, what do you So there's all

kinds of very interesting things about it. I mean, it's it's actually it's it's incredibly fascinating and and and and just just a sheer size of half the debris there are they are the artifacts where we want to call them. I'm some of them are thousands of pounds, you know, I'm I'm told so I'm actually personally seen them. But there are thousands of pounds like and what I have, I mean, they're not small even like it's not like a little something dangles on the end of a necklace. No,

this is the biggest a suitcase. I'm so so it is. It's very interesting. I'm being very careful because I want to go. I want to get I want to do it the right way. We're doing all the science behind all the forensics, like the the glue that holds certain stones on. You know, as it turnout it was it was something that was created twenty years ago or is it something that was actually used back you know that we or you know what's holding the thing together. You

know those kind of things. There's lots of interesting stones in it um and just those kind of things as parts of it UM. So yeah, it's just going through that whole thing, trying not to get I hate to say it's I'm trying not to get too excited about it, which I'm having a hard time and not getting really excited about it. But it's it's very you know, I need to get to the point where I'm it's like it's irrefutable forensic science behind it that had been refuted

by opinion, because right now it's all opinion. And then and go to those next steps. The idea. What these folks want is they want it brought to the world. They want it. They want to let everybody know that that we were working with some kind of ancient aliens civilizations tens of thousands of years ago. They're sending this stuff to me. They're doing it all. You know, they're they're they're going well beyond putting a lot of trust

to me with this stuff. And and so far everything they've done has come out to be you know, as far as their interaction with me and what what they've said, they're going to do what they do, um and so it's it's it's very inspiring. It's like, you know, if it was set up as being something that wasn't true,

they would have done what they've done. So it leads me to believe at least one thing is what they believe of what they have is what they're saying, and it has been tested before, so it's not the first time around either. So it's intriguing. And uh, we're gonna get all all of science going and that kind of thing and that. And I said, it's it's fascinating to be hands on because you know, you see stuff in books and stuff, but actually to have it to hold

your hands is a different experience. Uh so it might move people out of this more doubtful, questionable sense into this other reality of like it's here already, and you know, I can't help but to think that that's part of the reason why our government finally decided to shed a little bit of light on these topics, because people are coming forward with some interesting things, and uh, you know,

we've had things for a long time. I mean, but I love that you carrying that same family name, are bringing us out of the nineteen forties, uh ufo debate into it's in my hands people, you know, and I'm testing it and I've got to know how to do it.

I love it so wow. So I mean, what do you think about this thought when when people say, you know, our our ancient ancestors, like we're all Atlanteans and we learned these things before, and we're kind of talking to our higher selves, like you kind of get these downloads of these you know, how to do things, how to how to invent certain things. I mean, are these are our ancient selves that are you know, kind of sending

us a message through time. It's kind of kind of wild and out there, But I sometimes wonder about the truth of that. It's one of those things that that you would be if you said absolutely either way, then I would you know that that would be right, and saying that's not true would be a mistake as well, because you know the same thing, you know, where we came from our ore down to the level of where our our genetic imprinting is our DNA, and that kind

of thing. Things are definitely passed from you know, passed from lifetime to lifetime, experience to experience. You know, we all came out of stars of the chemicals and make up us and our our our planets and are our existence and our understanding existence. And to say that there isn't a connection, how can there not be? There has to be, you know, even in the simplest sense of how my dad like tomatoes and for some reason I like tomatoes, you know, is that it just you know,

take that out a thousand times. So so I'm thinking that that we're not influenced by other things that are beyond our comprehension. We've got to get ourselves running. Can you throw outlee how people can get a hold of you or your books? Do you want to get through I work with a company called Alien Lure dot com. We have a little a little website up and we have you know, books and and we did an anniversary coin for Roswell, which is kind of fun to do, and so we have some stuff on there and it

has contact information. Awesome. Thank you so much for coming on the show today, Jessie Marcelis is great. Thank you well everybody, we have come to the bottom of another fabulous program. I hope you enjoyed yourself. Don't forget to go to Heidi Hollis dot com or shadow Folks dot com and tell me your stories, tell me what's on your mind, and follow me on Instagram, Twitter, Facebook at one Heidi Hollie TikTok same Okay, just put a one in front of my name and reach out somebody. What's

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