Conspiracies - Best of Coast to Coast AM - 4/15/24

Book Award. Andy lectures regularly around the world, makes many regular appearances on radio and television, and here he is back on Coast to Coast. Hello, Andy, welcome back.

huge change. And you know, I think that's what you know, people like yourselves, and you know, the work we're doing over here, we're trying to tap into really give a new perspective, stand back from it all and look at maybe the bigger things that are going on.

it is going to be different. So we need to try to kind of cut the way through that that where we get the best out of it and we survive as human beings. And you know, we don't find ourselves in a world that is no longrained at us.

that they felt were important. And the new heretics, well that's people like yourself, people like me, people like anybody out there that is trying to study things that are branded alternative this or in a branded conspiracy. And of course, rather cleverly, what's happened over the years, is there anybody that talks about that is now the portrayed as the enemy because they are disrupting, you know, all the kind of the normal things of life. Well that's how it's

put across. Whereas, of course those of us who believe we need to talk about these areas we're saying, well, no, it's not like that. We're not here to disrupt with a deliberate intent for harm, which is the way that it's put across in the media. We're trying to get conversations going that actually, you know, reveal a layer of reality that just needs to be looked at. So the book is about, you know, how do we become heretics, How can we get a world where we can actually

talk about this without polarization. And you know, we all know polarization is one of the big topics of the time, and we've now got everybody on one side or the other or on any sub jet shouting at each other across the divide, and the book The New Heretics, is a way to try to sort of see how we can do it differently, you know, speak our truth, get it out there without winding up in a conflict situation. And it's certainly you know, I'm pleased to say I've

had a lot of very positive reaction to it. It has brought some people to looking at the other side and considering that okay, it's all right to have a different view, and it has stood up for people like ourselves and got word out there that, look, we actually have a right to exist, to question the orthodoxes that are all around us, and you know, hopefully it will

keep doing that because we need to. We need to keep the word out there that there are things going on in the world that are not reflected in the mainstream.

issues that's raised, there's still a sneering quality here. There's still a feeling that you know, this is minor stuff. It will all blow over. You know that we don't need to take it very seriously. But that's the impression

that we get from the media. So although when you talk to people and I give an awful lot of lectures over here and in other countries, including your own, you realize that actually there are people that are very open to the paranormal, to looking at things in a way that might be branded conspiracy and all of that, but they're afraid to speak out. And the reason they're afraid is that they feel they will be ridiculed or condemned if they do. So that's the thing, especially here.

The impression given by the media is that nobody believes in these things, and if you do, you're a terrible person. But actually, when you talk to people one to one, that's not how it is. A lot of them are far more open than you would think. And I'm really hoping that there will be some more level of well, let's call it disclosure, whatever that turns out to be, where the media here especially are going to have to eat a few words and actually come back to the

table and reconsider their position. That would be very nice if they did.

an area that I have long been very involved with over the years. Most people here think the whole thing's joke, that it all ended twenty years ago, that you know, every single crop circle ever was all made by people, because that's what was put out there in the mainstream in the nineteen nineties. And although actually that position was never proved and some of the alleged people who've made the crop circles were really not very good at actually

making them. Nonetheless, it's stuck in the public's mind. And you know, for the newspapers, especially here, which are famously voracious in their attitude, you know, they just don't want to hear anything other than what they've already stated. They don't want to be shown to be wrong. And that's why we've got a problem with the whole UFO UOP thing. They've been so cynical about it for so many decades

now they don't want to turn that around. They don't want to have to admit that perhaps they were wrong all along, and I think that's one of the key problems. And of course that just adds to the polarization.

that should have been discussed. And so there was a moment there where there was an opportunity for, you know, the authorities to at the very least say you, all right, look there is something here. We're not quite sure what's going on, but we're going to let you know a little bit more. And that was the hope, and it looked for a brief time like that's where it was going. But as you say, suddenly this new report comes out

at a very old world. It's absolutely like going back to nothing here to see it's all a big joke. I mean, the original kind of director of Arrow, who was Sean Kirkpatrick, he resigned and he basically said, this whole kind of thing's been hijacked by conspiracy theorists. You know, you don't want to listen to them. I've seen no

evidence of alien intell agent blah blah blah. And the problem with that is that there is actually an awful lot of evidence that at the very least, even though it might not be absolute proof, that a lot of people in high places have revealed details which need to be looked at, there is a phenomenon and we do have it is said, you know, whistleblower is queuing up

to be heard. But of course now by this new report basically trying to take us back thirty years, they're now wondering, well, maybe this isn't the time we thought this was the time to come forward. Maybe it isn't. So we're at this really interesting moment where there's a hell of a lot of interest bubbling up and endless podcasts and researchers saying this is obviously real, we need to know more. And then you've got the authorities saying no,

it's nothing to see here. So it's disappointing, But I don't think it's going to end here. I think, without any question, this is going to go somewhere. But as the number of people are pointed out, there's a choice here.

There could have been some level of official disclosure, however mild, or you get what's called catastrophic disclosure, where actually it all comes out in the wrong way unexpectedly and there might be revelations that could upset things in a way that's actually very sort of unsilted, which is presumably not what the authorities want. So yeah, we're at a very very interesting time here where it goes in the next year or so, it's going to be very interesting to see.

have randals from forest. So it's where in the late seventies and the early eighties there there was a couple of years but there were a series of USO sightings around the US military base there, and we've got so much testimony that something really did occur that there really

is no question. But that in itself is another sort of ridiculous situation where despite all the people that testified to seeing this craft coming down, and indeed other craft and lights that are simply inexplicable, the world was told no, all they saw was a lighthouse which stood a few miles away. Now, the lighthouse was there every single day, you know what, they think the soldiers wouldn't have noticed it, and then one night they thought a lighthouse was a UFO.

These are the kinds of ridiculous things that get put out there in the media because if you don't know the evidence, if you don't think about it, it sounds credible enough to put the average. First off, anybody that knows what actually was seen at Randullsham Forest will know that that simply makes no sense. And Colonel Holt, who was one of the kind of keyperson the time, you know,

he himself has said something did happen. Now, there's been arguments about that, stories have got changed over the years, but nonetheless it's absolutely clear that there was something there that was covered up for a long while, but in the end they couldn't hold it down. And that's just one of many similar side things experiences around the world. And this seems to be going on actually somewhere all the time. And I think that's the thing. It's not

now just a few isolated cases. There's so many whistleblowers coming forward who are very credible saying that there is a near constant interaction with this craft. Let's called them that for the sake of an argument, and you know, authorities and they're holding it down. But how long can you hold that down for before something has to give? So there was an opportunity in the last year to try to shift the conversation. It's just a bit disappointing

at the moment. They're trying to pull it back, and I know there's a lot of forces within kind of like the industrial military complex and governments that don't want this to come out because of course, this kind of technology, wherever it comes from, it's something they want to keep for themselves and get the upper hand on the world stage with. But I'm just not sure in the end that that's going to keep working.

We've got great organizations like the Soul Foundation, you know, led by people like Gary Nolan. I mean that they are making huge advances in holding events, trying to get speakers who are very high level to actually talk about the whole UAP situation. And then there's some amazing podcasters

now that are putting out really excellent work. And you've got people like Daniel Sheehan who's trying to kind of from a legal point of view, get, if not disclosure, at least you know, a more open conversation about all of this. So you know, you've got so many people now out there who were constantly talking about this, and every day they're covering new footage of UFOs and new events, and yet you've got this complete silence from the media

and the authorities as if this isn't actually happening. And I think that is in the end a kind of a dangerous situation because it's got to go somewhere. And I know there've been big USO flats before, but I do feel this time is different. And because so many other things in the world do you seem to be turning upside down, and I mentioned AI and that is, you know, an area that I think is going to

change many many things. There are, of course, some people that believe that the ets that people meet the graves and all of that are in themselves the kind of biological AI. So it's bringing a number of objects together. And some think the fact that this is coming to a head now is actually not coincidental.

about it. But equally, yeah, they have the opposition. There are people in very high places that you know, on the surface they will say that we don't want to talk about it because it's obviously or false, there's nothing worth talking about. But of course a lot of people see that as just to cover for the fact that actually there very much is something worth talking about. But you've got an issue, I suppose, because ayes, they probably want this kind of technology kept under wraps because they

want it for themselves. They want to get the upper hand. But there's the other argument, and kind of Davy Grush sort of hinted at this in the congressional hearings, which is that, of course there might be things that might well disturb the public if you announce that ets are here.

That is a big thing. And although perhaps you and I and many people listening today wouldn't be so worried about that because we're used to that idea, unfortunately, I think a lot of the world would react, probably quite so that they're in a very shocked way to that. And then you've got to deal with the fallout from that. And then you are basically saying, well, actually the authorities cannot control their own airspace. That doesn't look terribly good.

People won't feel so secure. And then the day you announce that the etes are here and we've got some of their technology, you suddenly realize that authority is stepped up to another level, that actually our authority is our governments may not be the bottom line, because if their power is higher than men and more powerful than them,

then what you know, who's controlling the show. So it does raise I think many serious issues, and I do feel that that is one of the reasons why there is I think a conflict going on within governments and you know, probably beyond to right down to the black ops levels where yeah, this is it is a serious debay.

So it's not straightforward. I know that, you know, we all want some level of disclosure, but of course even if some extra level did come, now there's always going to be people feeling, well, they're not telling us the whole truth, and are they giving us any truth? Is this in itself another distraction? So you know, we've all got into the situation where nobody's going to be quite sure what to believe anymore, and that in itself, of course presents a lot of difficulties.