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And welcome back to Coast to Coast George Norri with you. Michael Laflem with us. A researcher, adjunct professor of history and philosophy, columnist for The New Dawn magazine, a scuba diver and guitarist as well, and the author of the recently published Visions of Atlantis Reclaiming Our Lost Ancient Legacy Now. He grew up in South Florida attended the Harriet L. Wilkes Honors College in Florida State University, where he studied
Western intellectual history, US foreign policy. Michael is also a book reviewer for Publishers Weekly and was a one time research assistant for investigative journalist Whitney Webb while she was writing her best selling two part series One Nation Under Blackmail. Michael, welcome to the program.
Hey, George donnice to be on.
It's good to have you. How did you get interested in Atlantis? Michael?
You know, maybe it's just because, like a lot of people who grew up in South Florida, you know, you grew up. I grew up on Atlantic Boulevard near the Atlantic Ocean. My grandfather had always been interested in kind of ancient mysteries, the Pyramids, and always kind of since I was a kid, felt like there was a part
of the human story that was not complete. And later when I became a professor, traditional mainstream college professor at Young Professor in Chicago for about twelve years, and I started to look more seriously into ancient history when I would teach a survey course, say on Egypt or ancient Greece, that there really was something to these seminole accounts that for the most part, were transmitted from two of Plato's iconic dialogues with Timaeus and Critias and a few others
anecdotally before that, and you know, it was just something that I kind of put on the back burner until one day I started to take this subject very seriously and it kind of led me down a seven year rabbit hole that was initially just a series of notes and kind of ideas that I just jotted down, and at the end of seven years, I realized, you know, you actually have a book if you sit down and
organize this. And you know, through the urging of my friends and colleagues, they said, you know, you should tell this story, and so I did it. I published it around Christmas last year. So here I am.
Good for you. Why can't we, with this incredible technology we possess, find a sunken continent? Well, why can't you think it would be easy?
Well, you know, that's a very interesting question. And I always point people to a map that I actually put on on the top of my new website, which you can check out at Michael Isslam dot com. And it's a map of leads from the fifties after they finished
surveying the Atlantic Ocean. And to answer your question, just simply, if you look in the Middle Atlantic, you see actually the outline of an enormous continent that we call the mid Atlantic Ridge, which is a giant sunken what we call mountain range that has seamounts that pop out Bermuda, the Azores. So my first response always is, you know, let's just look at what we can look at, which is the ocean floors, and indeed there is a large
continental land mass there. Of course, the problem most people have is imagining, well, what kind of catastrophe could have befell the fall on the Earth to create that kind of flooding and those kinds of Earth changes to you know, completely submerge that part of the world. And I understand that, you know, that's that's absolutely understandable. And at the same time as I'm sure we'll get into a little bit more, you know, this whole idea, the language of this question,
you know, the lost continent, the lost island. That research really kind of took me on its own route, which which showed that there were more likely more than likely three at least that I can see destructions of this former continent that reduced it to the smaller island and surrounding archipelago that Plato, for example, was probably talking about when he described an island roughly you know, three quarters of the size of say, modern Spain, off the coast
of the Mediterranean. So yeah, I always tell people just look at the map, you know, look at the bottom of the Atlantic Ocean. Which, again, where did that name come from?
Other than Plato, Edgar Casey, the American prophet, how many others have talked about Atlantis in the past.
You no, more than you would think. And I know that's a very common critique, is that it all began with Plato and that it was kind of a morality play to make appens look good and things like this. But I always point to the fact that Plato got his story, according to him, from his distant relative Solon, would have been around five hundred and sixty BC. He
got the story from the ancient Egyptians. And that's really critical because one of the four first sources that I could find dimensions a word similar to Atlantis and I had a similar civilization, would be an actual Egyptian document to turn king list from the thirteenth century BC. So
you're talking nine hundred years before Plato. The Egyptians were talking about this time roughly ten thousand BC in our timeline, just right around the same time Plato says the continent was destroyed, and he says six hundred but around that time, and the Egyptians said there were ten basically god kings, however you want to interpret that, but very powerful people that lived a long time, who ruled in a foreign land.
There were ten of them that was destroyed and that was a kind of golden age that they called zep Tepi. And then only thousands of years after that did the dynastic period that we call Ancient Egypt, with the pharaohs and things like this. Again, so that's one. And another one, just briefly is the Mahabarata from India, which could be as old as a thousand years BC eight hundred BC, but certainly about five hundred years at least before Plato.
And they mentioned a place called Attala, and they say this was an island to the west that was destroyed after a ten year war and sank into the ocean. So to me, these are very compelling pre plotonic sources that lend a lot of credibility to these later accounts that people think are the first accounts of this content.
Let's look at the possibilities, Michael, of what could have sunk the island. I mean, I'm pretty well convinced as you are that something went down there and something was there. But uh yeah, let's let's talk about possibilities. Let me throw out some and get your thoughts. One inn asteroid strike that may have hit the continent or really close by. What do you think of that?
Yes, in fact, that's that's probably the most likely cause of the final destruction around let's say ten thousand, five
hundreds to ten thousand BC. And I say most likely because you know, as many people know through the work of Graham Hancock and other people who brought to attention the fact that researchers in around fifteen years ago discovered fairly compelling evidence of you know, nano diamond fragments all over the globe that suggests an enormous catastrophe, celestial body hitting the Earth, who prod likely did it, and the final I stage and began the Holocene period that we
live in, which is not radically different than the previous let's say, roughly speaking, you know, for our verses one hundred thousand years, which themselves had ups and downs. But yeah, I think that's actually quite compelling. And you know, a lot of people suggest that that comment or asteroid could have actually hit on the North Atlantic ice sheet, why there's no impact crater, or some people suggest even off the Carolina coast. So yeah, I think that's actually quite compelling.
And indeed, in Plato's account, the Egyptian priest talks about that. He says, you Greeks call it the mint with faith on, but that mynth signifies an actual heavenly body falling to Earth and burning up everything on it. So I think there you go. You have two sources right there for at least final destruction of Atlantis.
Absolutely, what about a massive earthquake, Well, you know, in case.
He said that the first destruction, which he places at fifty thousand, seven hundred and twenty two BC, which is much more remote time, that fractured the continent into five islands, was actually the result of what you just said. But it was something on a scale that we can't really understand,
and it was human cause. And so in Casey's timeline, it was the misapplication of a tremendously powerful what he basically describes nineteen thirties when he gave this reading, which is incredible, a sort of directed energy weapon that he claims was beamed from or to and bounced off the stratosphere into volcanic flows on different parts of the Earth, not for warfare, but to actually destroy the food supply, he claims, of the megafauna that were overrunning the earth,
because this is the ice age with favored to tigers and giant floss. And as strange as that sounds, in my research, indeed I did find unexplained like a final extinction From the Journal of Quaternary Studies peer viewed mainstream Journal at fifty thousand BC.
Do you think this may have come from within this planet or from an outside et source.
Well, that's a great question. Casey specifically says it was directed by human beings who had actually met in a council in that year fifty seven hundred and twenty two on Atlantis, which was a continent at that time, and they decided that this was the only way, because the animals are overrunning parts of the Earth, to mitigate this risk.
And he said that at the same time, actually there was a pull shift, magnetic pull shift that was already in progress, and that this weapon exacerbated the effects of that pull shift and basically dramatically altered the consours of the Earth and fractured even certain tectonic plates and basically broke this thing up. So answer your question, it's it's it's many things, because I believe there were at least three destructions of the civilization that spanned about forty to
fifty thousand years. As incredible as that sounds, can.
You imagine the technology they may have possessed even then.
You know, That's why I was so focused on As the book progresses, you know, I take readers through the kind of historically important information from cultural history, oral traditions, Plato, what the Romans thought about this. But then to really grasp these questions, as you and many other people want to know, and myself was very curious about if this was indeed a reality, you had to go to these
clairvoyant or channeled sources or remote viewing sources. And yeah, to answer your question, it's absolutely astounding, not just the level of detail that some of the channelers gave of this technology, but like you said, imagining, you know, what it would be like to have a weapon that's essentially a ground based death star or you know, stratospheric lessons that you know, we may possess today but have not deployed to our knowledge. You know, that's that's very interesting.
Did they have flying machines then too? What do you think?
I do believe so, and I don't just think that's limited to Atlantis. I think it was something that many cultures talk about, you know, in many you know, there are obvious forgeries that people have understandably, and I addressed that as well, forgeries of you know, Indian schematics that somebody says, oh, I found the schematic for Avimana and it's Abeti Temple. It turns out to be fake, but there are very real accounts from India that are not forgeries.
That absolutely describes lying machines and from my research into say the channelings from a dwell around two planets, which fun very compelling because that book was channeled in eighteen eighty six, before anybody had ever flown anything but a balloon. And he's describing cigar shape basically modern you know, cigar ufo type devices that can fly in the air, fly in the high stratgere, travel underwater, and that we're powered
by this very arcane crystal entrainment technology. So I absolutely think so, Yeah, I think it's absolutely possible.
Well with Michael Laflem's book is called Visions of Atlantis. His website is his name linked up at coastacostam dot com. Michael, why do we still have this love affair with Atlantis?
Yeah, yes, that is the question. Well, you know, I think a lot of that has to do with what, for example, Edgar Casey said to a lot of his clients who just like him in the nineteen thirties. You must imagine this is a very strange topic that to devout Christians in his community was quite taboo. Reincarnation. Atlantis even mentioned Jesus, the soul that became Jesus, actually being one of the founders of Atlantis, And so his clients asked him like, why did you why do you say
we all have come back at this time? And in Casey's understanding of reincarnation and kind of the cycle of life, you know, people come back in soul groups, which I think is a very interesting idea, and if you multiply those soul groups enough, you have whole cultures coming back.
And this is something that not just Casey mentioned, it's something that many channelers have mentioned that perhaps entire elements of say a certain timeline of Atlantis have decided to come back as human beings in our timeline, you know, and play out the same drama, see if they can
get it right or learn something new. And I also think on a kind of negative answer to that question, you know, there's the love affair, and there's of course, you know, the more you love something, the more you probably are eventually going to you know, hate it if it turns on you. And I think, as we've seen from the tremendous criticism people like Graham Hancock have gotten just from proposing that there could be an ancient civilization
that predates, say, you know, with technology, right. I think that mainstream science is so challenged, and not just mainstream science, but entire mainstream you know, disciplines history, anthropology. They're so challenged by you know, an independent researcher or somebody who's claiming that, hey, there's actually corroborating evidence between clairvoyant or
remote viewed images from the past and archaeological discovery. That's very difficult to explain if you think this is fake, and you know, they don't want to admit that, Hey, maybe Kufu didn't build the Great Pyramid. Perhaps it was, as many people have suggested myself included, built by people from a much more advanced, much older civilization, and the dynastic Egyptians inherited it, you know, because people have built
careers on that. And I know for a fact as a historian, the profession does not generally like to change to change course.
Sorry slow, Is it conceivable that some of the occupants of Atlanta's once it was sinking, escaped and went to other regions of the planet.
Yes, I think it's absolutely the case, and because of the central location, it explains a lot of things that otherwise don't really make sense, cultural connections between say where I live right now in Mexico. You know, think about the Aztecs, for example. The Aztecs have a god called Atlante Alto, the Greeks have a god titan called Atlas. Both of them are portrayed holding up the world on its shoulders right now. How could that be if they're
not supposed to have had communication. You have the same etymology, you have the same imagery. And what's fascinating about that exact term that god is that In one of my main sources as well, around two Planets from eighteen eighty six, a seventeen year old kid with no education living in the wild West in Eureka, California, channels a book of a past life in Atlantis, and one of the things he said was he's looking back on the the final
destruction of it. And he says, you know, alas, I'm paraphrasing something like a Las Atlan, never to be seen again, which beheld the world at its heights in science, arts, and civilization. And it really it struck me because it's like we look at Atlas, or we look at Atlanta, Alto. Let me think, these silly people, they thought they were holding up the world, and you know, like Native Americans thought the earth was on the back of a turtle.
But think about a modern person who perhaps would portray the same thing, let's say, to represent the United States, you know, a superpower. And I think when you look between the lines like that, you see that these aren't just near symbolic and archaic representations of gods and you know, kind of from a primitive or superstitious people. These are actually more modern people than us in many ways.
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