Atlantis - Best of Coast to Coast AM - 3/4/23

Assessment Report to the US Congress. He's a graduate of the United States Army Intelligence School, where he's studied Advanced Human Intelligence and Battlefield counter Intelligence, also completing training at the Jungle Operations Training Center in Panama, Central America. He holds advanced degrees in engineering, including a doctorate in engineering, three related Masters of Science degrees, and has an undergraduate degree in business. He's the author of scores of books.

Here's just a sampling a series called A Short History of which includes volumes on The Coral Castle, The Maya, and DMT, and his latest Atlantis Solved, The Final Definitive Proof. David Edward, Welcome back to Coast to Coast. How are you. I'm doing good, sir. How are you Richard. It's really great to talk to you. Yeah, I'm I'm great, Thank you, and it's great to have you aboard first of all, because this whole arena is so you know, well trodden.

How do you even and as I mentioned, you're a physical historian, you're a research or you're familiar with the peer reviewed process, how do you even begin to review the research in this area? Because I'm just is there any quote end quote, serious academic research to review? Well,

you know, that's that's a good opening question. Typically in an if you have an academic mindset or frame or methodology, that's the very first thing you do is you do what they call literature review when you when you have decided that you have questions a challenge with Atlantis. And it's where I can with that term physical historian. I really struggled on what to call myself. What the approach we took with Atlantis was to kind of turn it around.

And usually people look at it, they see if they can find evidence that leads them to, you know, maybe find pieces of the story. We said, you know what, let's assume. Let's have an assumption. And that's okay. You're allowed to have assumptions as long as you statum. Let's assume that what Plato says, the physical attributes of what Plato says, well, let's assume he's right, or at least he thinks he's right. So if we assume all this stuff exists, is there a way to go start looking

for it? And the approach there was to take all of the academic knowledge that we have and the data. There's lots of data, and many people have looked for it, and you know, use the data, but we feel very comfortable reaching our own conclusions. So we're not going to use established conclusions, but we are going to use established data. And when we did that, and we were very lucky because we have a lot of technical tools. We have

a lot of technology. The people in the past even just that I mean people if we're looking for Atlantis in the nineties, nineteen nineties and before, I mean they didn't have the Google that we have and the you know, the Google Earth and the lighter and all different places that we can look. So when you go start grabbing all of those tools and you start with the dialogues, as the physical aspects is true, you just have to kind of push the other stuff away and do the

research from the beginning, which is what we did. So you're very quick to credit Jim Corsetti a fellow veteran and his work on identifying the location of Atlantis, and David Stighanson as well. Just tell us a little bit about about these two gentlemen, and I guess what they kind of pieced together in twenty eighteen, which but we're not able to prove definitively. Yeah, and that's and so and thank you. I always try and mention them because I you know, I'm not the sole author. None of

us really are the soul anything anymore. You know, there's so much information out there. But yeah, Jimmy course said he here's a YouTube channel called bright Insight, and uh and Richard, you're a young guys. You don't know this, but I'm a little old. And it turns out the old guys can't sleep sometimes. So I was away from night. I'm beginning to have that problem. Well, yes, it's in front of you. It's a glimpse of stay it's in

front of you. So I listened to all of the Coast to Coast day and weekend shows and all of the Strange World podcast that I could, and I and YouTube handed me Jimmy's one of Jimmy's videos about Atlantis, and I was like, uh, you know, I watched it,

Actually I watched it three or four times. Like, I think this guy's onto something, but you know he's he's coming at this as a well intending lay person as opposed to someone who can kind of um knows how to combat the academic side and knows how to present

data as evidence, not just as intriguing stuff. And then I later learned I was contacted by David steg Hanson, who actually is the one who sent Jimmy the original picture of this rich chat stressing thing, which is what Jimmy has kind of made his name being a proponent of it. But but David Stighanson, and David's been there a couple of times. He last time he was there was in October, and so he and I talk and when he goes there, there's a number of things that

we look for. He's going to go back again this year. But yeah, so I definitely always credit them and thank you for bringing him up, because it starts with them.

And then what I want to do is seal the deal because with Atlantis, you know, we've all fallen and we continue to fall for the kind of the standard Atlantis pitch, which is whether it's a book or a TV show or a feature link documentary is roughly the first half is kind of this whole setup where you see beautiful people in Greek islands and scuba diving and

they kind of convince you they figured it out. And then the second half is, well, we got to change this, or maybe the years are wrong, or none of these seven places line up, but they're all interesting, and then it kind of fades away. I didn't want to do that.

I wanted to come up with an answer, and with all those tools I mentioned, and having the work of Jimmy and David to start with, I was able to come up with what I think is, um, I'm calling out a hypothesis or you know, a view of Atlantis that's that's unified, which was something else I wanted to do. I wanted to have a unifying theory. When I first did the work on the risshat and it matches Plato.

We'll get into all of that. I started telling people very naively, and the journey for me and all of this is learning how to communicate fairly complex topics around data that people hear lots of different ways, and how do you how do you communicate a new idea in that space, and I'm still learning how to do that, and talking to you and other people kind of helps

me because it's very hard. You think it's easy, and you think, you know, you just say, well, well here's the answer, and then everyone's just going to jump on board. But that's not the Atlantis space at all. Atlantis has lots of things to lots of people, and right, I mean, it's it's I don't know what, I don't know if the term fanboys is appropriate here, but they're I mean, the the legions of people that imbue the Atlantis legend with I guess all of their their own sort of

personal hopes and aspirations and all of that. And we you know, free energy and flying cars, and they had nuclear submarines and they had a death ray and all of that. So I mean, here you wait into this with this very analytical mind, and it's you know, it ends up being still a remarkable story, but perhaps far more I don't know, prosaic or um. So you know, people are bound to be sort of disappointed, right, well they are, and part of it is because I'm not

I'm not very good explaining it. And so you know, I'll do I'll do my best. But Atlantis what I believe Atlantis actually was, and at ninety nine point three two we have a hypothesis around Atlantis that doesn't require us to change anything we know about our history. Well

doesn't REQUI we reinterpret our history. But we're using data that's well established um and it treats, you know, played a kind of respectfully to what happens is it becomes a very harmonious answer because I mean, if you look, some people think Atlantis is the richette eing, which is the word. I think that's the capital. But we're also told there are ten provinces, so put some people like Doggerland,

Cadiz in Spain, the SEUs, Mesa and Morocco. They're like the Canary Islands, Cape Rode, people like the Azores, like the Viminy Road. They're like the Aztecs at Mexico. And think, I think the truth of the matter is when you when you look at the provinces of Atlantis, which which we have, it's basically an early version of a king's list, which became a historical norm. But we're dealing with the

story this kind of prehistory. There is a way the King's List paints a kingdom, and it paints a technological progression that we've mapped out. And and you mentioned the book, and I appreciate that. I've also got the YouTube channel a history of I think I've got twenty nine videos on this, and I pretty much want anyone who's willing to spend seven hours listening to me talking on videos.

I walk into the very very start of this word story come from all the way to the discoveries we've made on ground and all the physical evidence that that kind of answers the kingdom. All right, So let's let's basically let the cat out of the bag and then we'll sort of work backwards from there. Because you mentioned it already, the risch At structure a ka the eye of the Sahara. There I said it. This is Corsetti's David Stighanson's identifying the location in the western Sahara of Africa.

It's not submerged, it's right there in the middle of the western Sahara desert. Just kind of give us a description of what does it look like today? Sure, and remember this is we're talking about the capital city. This is one of the things that we have done with Atlantis is everyone wants to win in the air quotes and so the big that And I did a survey by the way, so I was curious, you know, what do people believe in the survey? I think I have

like two thousand people responded, did it on Reddit? So it is what it is. But the people didn't think it was this rish At structure in the western Sahara. About thirty three percent think it's the Azores, and then the rest kind of think it's everything else. When you look at the risch At structure, and there are some key points we'll get into. We can go we can

go into the dialogues. One of the key dimensions that's given in the dialogues, it's often disregarded for disregards that right, disregarded, yes, okay, good is that it says that the capital city sat at the end of a gently sloping plane to the sea of three thousand stadia. And it's a line that's in there, and you have to do a lot of

work around what a stadia is. And all of that turns out one measure you can use for a stadius, the Alexandrian measure, which would have been what Plato would have used in his lifetime, because both Plato and Alexander the Great War alive at the same time about a decade,

so I think Alexander was eleven when Plato died. But this, so you multiply the six thousand or six hundred six point nine feet, which is what a stadius, the six hundred and seven feet to make easy mac multiplied by three thousand, and you get three hundred and forty five miles, and that's how far inland the Rischette structure sits. So that was like my first clue. And it's a gentle slope. You can measure a slope, it's basically the rise over

the run. So you can take the run, which is three hundred and forty five miles, and the rise we know it shits about fifteen hundred feet above sea level. That puts the slope well below one percent, which fits the category of a gently sloping, gentle slope to the sea. There would have been a river where at a time when it's very much the green Sahara. And then we've found there's lots of physical remnants we've found on the ground around the Rishat structure. But as you mentioned what

it looks like. The big thing with the rish Hate structure is it looks like Atlantis. It's the only place on Earth I've seen that that meets those dimensions of a center island and then alternating concentric rings of water and land. And you can type just type in eye of this hair or richest structure and google or duck duckt go or whatever you use to search, go to the images and you'll see hundreds of images of the thing. So it's got that look. And then all the other

measurements you can start to line up. And then when you start with this in the center, this area which we'll call Atlas because he's he's the you know, the first king, and this is the capital. I mean, it aligns people like the Dogon tribe who know about the you know, the dog Star. We find patric lifts showing chariots in the westerns. The hair they didn't have any

answers for. Well, we're told that they had a lot of farms in Atlantis, and one of the things they had to do is every farm had to contribute one six of a chariot. So you know what I mean, Once you can establish that first location, just about everything else lines up and you start to understand what was going on at the time, which is this transitory exchange of information people who are able to traverse the Atlantic and trade ideas and come back, which of course is

very important to any trip. But I would just assume that after all this time, it would the desert would have completely overtaken any anything visible. Isn't it buried underneath the sand? I mean, what actually can you see? That's a good question. So the rist Shat is basically bedrock. So what I believe happened in the general consensus is that this thing is a collapsed volcanic dome, like a mud volcano, which fits kind of perfectly to this story.

We know Plato tells us in the dialogues, and one of the things they had to do was when they were digging the channels for the boats to come in, they had to dig him three hundred feet wide and one hundred feet deep, which we all do today any canal or waterway. You have to constantly clear the the silt out so the boats can get through. But we know that he told us it's one hundred feet, so we know there was at least one hundred foot of

top soil. If you look at where the rist Shat is and then you look just I hear more than halfway between where it sits and where the Atlantic Ocean is, there are a series of mud hills that are very tall. And I believe that Atlantis was the first recorded mud flood, which is basically the conditions that we're giving given we're told, you know, if a tsunami, saltwater came up the river, it flooded the volcano basically liquefied it. It turned, you know,

we have a mud flood scenario. It slides down. We can see where those hills are and and for me, I think that's where we should start digging. People always wanted to know know where to dig. We know that a shall of mud blocked the waterway, so it aligns to the dialogues. And then frustratingly, the country of Mauritania, through a shell company, has been strip mining this area and there's just mud hills. You know, there isn't really any reason to be strip mining here, but they've been strip

mining since two thousand and six. So I think I think culturally they found you know, the remnants are there and they've been collecting them and destroying them like like like happens to a lot of our history. Oh, dear lord, perhaps it could be arguably one of the greatest archaeological finds in history. And they're strip mining it as we speak, the strip mining as we speak. The workers revolted in like twenty thirteen and it's been inconsistently operated since then.

But if you look at the map and you find you know, you go at halfway and you look at these mud hills, you can see the giant open strip mine it. It's the Mauritania Copper Mine INK, which is a shell subsidiary of some Canadian company. But if it's Classic Energy, you know, big energy coming in. They do this everywhere. But yeah, there's strip mining where I believe the remnants of the city ended up. Now we have lots of places to look and there's not that there's

lots of things they can't destroy. But you know, if we're gonna find anything, we're gonna find writing or anything, it's gonna be where the remnants of the city sank below the waves. This area of Africa would have been underwater for years after tsunami hit Um. Yeah, and it's above it's above water now, but it's that's in the western Sahara. All right, So let's get into the Plato dialogues, which um Crittius, and to make the two dialogues, it's

Curtius and Tomas. I will say Timius, because if I try and say Tameris, I'll stumble and I'll sound stupid, and I just say it. That's okay. I know I'm mispronouncing it. I mispnounced a lot of things, but this one I know I'm doing. But I have to. All right, So we got about three minutes here before the break, so we'll just start. We'll get into it slowly now, and then we'll come back after the break and discuss further. But so why was Plato in his dialogues talking about

Atlantis in the first place. Well, Plato is recording conversations that his teacher, Socrates had, And what Plato is generally trying to do is two things. He's trying to capture what he thinks is important thoughts and emerging thoughts through Socrates. And then he's always trying to figure out if there's a way to understand whether governmental structures and how people manage themselves, is there a right and wrong to it?

Or is it just always whoever's in charge sets the rules and we all have to kind of fall in line. And that's what he's always struggling with, those two things. And I guess he found the story of Atlantis compelling enough in both regards that he captured them. I don't. I can tell you, interestingly, with Critius, there's actually two Critiuses, and there's a whole story around Critius which we can

get into maybe when we come back. It's still longer than hover long I have left here, right, So some people have basically sort of blown off the whole idea of Atlantis, the existence of Atlantis, and argued what that Plato was simply using it as an allegory. It was supposed to be some sort of a cautionary tale. Is that the idea? Yeah, and that's certainly in there and any any and remember Plato wasn't doing anything. Plato was

recording what Socrates conversations. Socrates has, So Socrates was having conversations where Atlantis was being used as an allegory, and that that's certainly in there, But we don't, we don't the allegorical component. Something looks like I tell people the fact that Poseidon married a mountain girl, that's great, but I'm not going to go try and find where they got married, you know, I mean, I deal with that

from Atlanta standpoint. So that's why we made the We did the assumption we're going to look for the physical aspects of what he's talking about. The rest of it, I don't know. I don't know, and you know, I mean, that's that's not my thing. My thing is physically, is it possible for to have existed? And if so, what conditions would have to be meant, what technologies would they have to have? And where is it? And that's kind

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