Passport Bros Exposed: Western Men Exploiting Women Abroad

Welcome to the Audaci-Tea the podcast by women for women and anyone brave enough to listen. We are your hosts. I'm Lisa and I'm joined by Sovereign and Gwen. Hello, ladies. It's so good to have you back. Gwen, happy birthday. Happy Big 30th. we. Fat pussy gang. Sorry, we can. That's gonna be on merch. Gwen came up with that and that's gonna be merch. We were just talking about this. No, it was in the crumpets, remember? When we were talking about the Justin Timberlake?

When we were body shaming Justin Timberlake and we said, we were like, no, women should show it off more. Yeah, then we wanna see it. you know what saying? Anyways, I'm putting that on merch. That is my first and only merch idea so far, Gwen. That was genius. Alright and we have a very exciting show today. for our main segment we're going to be discussing Passport Bros and believe it or not there's a little bit of a connection into our Her Story segment with that so stick around and...

Find out what passport bros and aqua tofana have in common And for the tea time today, we have Gwen's birthday. We're gonna talk about turning 30. We're gonna talk about all the lessons that she learned in her 20s. I don't know. I'm sure there's a lot to cover. We're going to cover whether or not it is feminist to go 50-50. Some people are saying It is. And so we will discuss that. and then also for tea time, we have a very hilarious The clown. Teaching men how to be fathers.

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Happy birthday, Gwen. Gwen, the dirty 30. Congratulations. I remember like, I don't know, like how how do you feel? feel excited but also just a little scared and not for the reasons that people think where it's like oh I'm old now I've hit the wall or whatever the crap no it's just like it's just like in every situation I am now the adult in the room and that comes with like a lot of responsibility and also it just means that like it's less cute now to make certain

mistakes you know how like whenever you made like an oopsie in your 20s and people were like oh well you're just a kid you know but like now that you're gonna hit in the 30s it's you know you can't make as many like fuck ups so I'm also kind of scared about that because I feel like at 30 you should have your life kind of put together but I'm still figuring that part out I'm still you know I'm

still in school I'm still trying to get my foot in the door in some places and figuring out what I like and where I would like to be in my 30s 40s and things like that so just figuring out my future and just playing it by ear right now Hell yeah, with great power comes great responsibility as you know. Your 30s, I was always so excited to turn 30. Like, I don't know, I feel so lucky that we were maybe like the last like.

subset of women to grow up with like genuinely cool fucking like baddies in their 30s on like every TV show like women without a bunch of you know plastic surgery. Not that there's anything necessarily wrong with that. I'm not here to shame anybody like it's whatever but it's just nice. It was a different time. Nobody could do it so nobody did it or like I don't know when people did it would either be very obvious or something or like I don't know but because I watch a lot of period dramas.

like, know, Catherine the Great on Hulu or like, Reign on Netflix about Mary Queen of Scots And some of those, like, I could, I'm just like, I don't think you have the face for a period drama. Like, I think you have a face for like Love Island type vibe. You know what I mean? Mm-hmm. like, or they'll have like lip filler and it's so obvious in my opinion. And it's like, it just, you didn't need that. Cause like, you know, we're supposed to pretend you're in the medieval times.

So. Yeah. But you know, Gwen, I wanted to say this. It's normal to feel the way you feel at that age. And the one thing that I've learned is not to be so hard on yourself because, and when I say this, I'm not saying be lazy. That's not what I'm saying. Things tend to work out the way that they're supposed to for you at the right time.

So even if you push and push and push for something and it's not happening, and then next thing you know, you're like 37 and then it hits, 37 was the time that it was supposed to happen. Cause I think about situations, like when I was in my twenties, whatever, and I'm like, and I like to use this as an example, just, just go with me. If I would have hit the lottery at 22, I'm just saying for an example, there is no way in hell I would have known to what to do with that money.

Cause my brain just wasn't there. versus if you hit the lottery at 39, then boom, you are a little bit more mature. It's supposed to happen then. I hope what I'm saying is making sense. So it doesn't mean you be lazy and just sit back and be like, oh, but things are gonna just fall in place like there's no, you still are intentional. You still do what you gotta do. You still in school. You still accomplish your goals. But when something is like supposed to work out that time, it will work out.

So just don't be like too hard on yourself. Cause we are still like got so much. to learn, you know, you're not gonna know everything at 30, you're not gonna know everything at 40, you're not gonna know everything at 50, you know, so just don't beat yourself up, but it is normal. I think a lot of us get to that age and we're like, oh my God, what am I gonna do? And what have I done in the last 10 years? Oh my God, so yeah. it just, it really feels like I blink.

the last train out of like, you know what I mean? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. m at some of these girls in my 20s and I'm just like, or like my friends that are still in their 20s and I'm like, man, this is like getting the last boat out and it's just, it's like I hang out with 20 year olds and I'm like, damn, I'm definitely about to be 30 or like, damn, I'm definitely 30, you know?

And some of them are just lost and some of them like are in this like weird, you know, because like I remember my 20s was like such a weird era for me because Some of my friends were graduated, had big girl jobs and like had moved on to greater, bigger things and I'm happy for them. Some of my friends were in jail or like some people of our twenties were in jail.

Some people didn't make it And then it puts things kind of like in this retrospect where I'm just, grateful to see my thirties because not everybody gets the privilege of aging and making it. So I do. Yeah. I'm, I am pretty grateful to, be where I am. And in my twenties, I also felt the need to like have it all figured out until like I reached thirties and I'm like, no, you're not supposed to have it all figured out in your twenties. We were all just like, kind of comparing ourselves.

we were just so used to comparing ourselves, like these influencers that had just sprung up because in our teens, for those born in the 90s, had only become a thing like 2010s for us, circa then, and Instagram had just been a place where you were just posting food stuff or your hobbies and your activities and selfies every now and then. And then overnight, just influencers started popping up, like daisies just everywhere. And then you were comparing yourself.

at your age to like somebody who's maybe like one or two, three years younger than you and they've already got like a Bentley or some shit or like, I remember Kylie was probably one of the first influencers that I had even heard of, but she's not like an influencer. She was like already a celebrity, but she had all these like, you know, material things that people were just like, wow, I wish I could be like, yeah. And it's like, I should be like that. I wish I was like that.

And just comparing, comparing, that was such an insufferable hell hole to like pull myself out of that. Like I had to just start unfollowing people.

Like I had to be very intentional about my algorithm before I even knew it was an algorithm and just like learn to stop comparing myself to people my age or even people who are younger and that looked like on the surface that everything had been figured out when you know probably behind the scenes it was a completely different story but but yeah that was a whole learning process in my 20s so I'm

hoping I can keep that for my 30s that you know maybe people in their 30s don't have it figured out either And it's people, girls people in their 60s that haven't figured it Yeah. it's kind of like a journey. It's like a roller coaster, but you you get to like one point and you're like, you know, like I think now I know everything. And then like, yeah, no. Yeah. is a thing that I did.

Ask yourself, discounting all the nostalgia and all the good times, would you ever wanna go back to being 20 now? And that's exactly the point. Do you get what I'm saying? So you've learned so much, right? See, for whatever reason, you've learned so much. Whatever you've been through, good and bad, it brought you to where you are now. And I know me. I had a lot of fun in my 20s. I would never want to go back to being naive 20 year old. I know I'm not, absolutely not.

So that's how I look at it as far as like getting older. I think getting older is a gift as well because not everybody gets to do it. So, you know, so as long as you can tell yourself, ah, I don't think I will go back. Then you're on the right track. Like, you know what I mean? You're making the right progression.

best part about being older than most people around you is that you get to pass on some of this wisdom that you've learned and just hope, give them hope that they're not gonna make the same mistakes as you because you've already been there, done that, got the t-shirt. you can just tell these younger women, you're supposed to look at these younger girls and take them under your wing a little bit, treat them like little sisters.

I don't understand some of these older women, because looking back, I had some hate from these older women who despised me for whatever or they were jealous of me for being so young. Now that I'm at their age, it's just like I can't imagine myself, yeah, it doesn't make sense.

And I just, I can't picture myself being like that because I just look at these young girls and I look at the world now and it's just so completely different for them than it was for us, given how social media has just evolved over time for all the wrong reasons.

And it's just, I want to hopefully, that's why I- I wanted to do this podcast because I wanted to hopefully be a lighthouse with you guys that guides these young girls out of these dark, mysterious waters because going through your 20s was such a hard time for almost no reason Well, Gwen, thank you so much for sharing that with us. That's a lot of good insights. yeah, 30 is really just the beginning.

do think that your 20s are just for figuring things out and your 30s are for really having some fun, really taking some risks, know, really doing some big things. And I'm so excited to see what all you do. 20s and I'm finding out in my 30s. and 30s is applying the knowledge. That's how I look at it. Yeah, yeah. Apply it. Everything you learned. you know, your twenties was fucking around your thirties is finding out. fuck around years. I call it that too.

Fuck around, have fun years, and then you get serious. Yeah, for sure.

Yep. Well, speaking of effing around and finding out, men definitely did that. We'll link the video for y'all, but there's basically footage of this mime, I think at SeaWorld or something. Mm-hmm.

he was standing there as people were walking past and he would stop these like entire families Where the wife would be like carrying everything and the husband's walking like 20 feet ahead of her like, you know the old classic like freaking scenario that you see all the time and bless his heart he was stopping every single one of them and like fixing the situation so

If the mom was like carrying a backpack and like she had like a kid in her arms and then she was like, you know, walking another kid by the hand, he would like stop her and he would like take all this stuff off. He would like hand the baby to the dad. He would put the backpack on his shoulders. And it's like, you know, but this it always comes back to why we say that women are the natural leaders. who else is doing all the unthanked work and actually leading everybody? Like who has the bag?

Who knows where all the things are? who actually has like a little pack of, you know, children around them. Like that's the leader in the family. And it's never the man. Like he had to fix so many of these like men's obvious, like the fact that they're not pulling any of the load at all, like around the house. they're not these men wouldn't even know where their kids are. Like, you know what I mean? Like their kids might as well have been like eaten by big Willy over there.

and their wife, you know what I mean? And it's like, they wouldn't know they're 20 feet ahead walking. It pisses me off so bad. Like this is one of those things. It's not even like a petty turn off or petty. That's kind of like uh we have an expression in the Slavic world that is like Pashayanada, which means you got to get like somebody's got to slap you in the back of your neck. Like when you least expect it, you know what I mean? Like That's how I feel about these men.

I just wanna come up to them and slap the useless fucking base of their neck. Because what are you doing? Like that is so enraging to me. Like I literally get so mad. Like you're so fucking useless. Like why does she even keep you around? Like you should be in jail. I don't know what to tell you. you, like let alone a mime like embarrasses you a little. Like you should be literally handcuffed. Like why? Why are you like this? You wonder what that did to the couples when they got home.

Did the man feel any type of shame or embarrassment or did the woman rub it in like, see, I told you you were a loser. Or you know what I mean? I wonder, did it do, did it? I think probably the men were got home and like took it out on their wife that like they were shamed. And that's what makes it even more. Yeah. And did you say it was a mime? Doing this? was doing it without saying anything. So they didn't even have the chance to argue like he was just like, take the backpack off.

And he was like putting it on. And the men were like, you know, they were kind of like ashamed. But again, it's like if that's the kind of if he's that kind of man to begin with, you already know he's going to come home and be salty at you. Like he was the some of these men were probably moody as fuck all the rest of that day.

deaf and as soon as they walked as soon as like they walked around the corner like he started definitely putting that back on her to do or she was probably like feeling embarrassed and started like asking for all of that back yeah but also like not a yeah but also like not a fucking clown teaching these men how to be fathers are you not ashamed are you not like a little embarrassed like that's so serious I love that I love that meme to have a conscience first.

I'm saying, like it would not take empathy. Thank you. Empathy. Because it would not take, you know what I mean? Another whole ass person to be like, hey, you're literally walking around with fucking nothing on your body. Nothing. You. Yeah exactly and your wife is trying to wrangle several children and she's carrying like a fucking rucksack like you oh my god under the jail under the jail But I don't understand how that's not a turnoff. Like if it happened to me, I would just dry up.

Like I literally would not wanna be bothered. No, I'm talking about like to the point where I would just wanna end the relationship. I would look at you with pure disgust every day. So I'm like, I need to get out of this. I don't know. I just don't get it.

they're like the frog in the boiling pot of water where it's like slowly over time like all of these things became normalized until finally like the water is just boiling hot but then like it's too late to leave so I think over time yeah it's the whole for real finally they realize like this is this is the steam is coming out now like the water is bubbling around me

and that leads us into our last tea time. This is one that Sovereign is going to talk about for us, but I will play it for us through these speakers. There's a reason why we're not putting the whole video or like the handle necessarily out there, because we sometimes like women do need to be put on blast, but we don't want to do it too much. OK, so let's not like stoke the fire too much. Let's just listen, discuss and learn.

There's no need to like go to her page or brigade or comment or anything like that. Just keep it in your pants, all right? Okay. So this is the video in question. This is kind of a hot take and we wanted to discuss it because sometimes it does come up as like a feminist issue, whether 50-50 is like more feminist or less feminist.

Because you know feminism is about equality so women should go 50-50 see there is a gross entitlement in people who, women, who refuse to go 50-50, who think it's ridiculous to go 50-50. I think it's ridiculous that you think that's fucking ridiculous. Are you literally fucking insane? If you are a pro-woman, if you are a feminist, if you don't like the constrictions placed on you by gender roles and expectations, why would you, in your right fucking mind?

Believe that just because he's a man, he has to pay more. That's ludicrous! Sprinkle sprinkle culture is diabolical because what the fuck is going on? Treat him as your equal. You guys are equals. If you are going to place any expectations on someone purely because of their gender, that's unfair. It's not justified. Period. Point blank period. I've never expected my boyfriend to pay for our dates. We will split food.

Unless someone offers to pay for your meal or offers to pay for something or gets you a gift, you cannot expect someone to donate on you financially. Like, why does that have to happen in a relationship? You have to have a man that can solely provide for you. Are you insane? We fought for decades. Our mothers and grandmothers and their grandmothers fought for equality, fought for the right to work, fought for the rights to be able to be an equal.

But you want to financially trap yourself with a man and then call us crazy for going 50-50? Girl, oh my God, who is she trying to convince? she's talking to the guys. Are she talking to? grandmothers fought for us to pay for men's like meals. I don't think so. Not my grandmother. No, not my grandmother. That's not what my grandmother taught me ever. Men are not a prize. Especially if you're viewing things through a feminist lens.

If you're a feminist, you should know that things are not equal as is, right? so your relationship should reflect that, it should subvert that, it should work in, you know, if it's really a feminist relationship, it should go against, right? Okay, Sovereign, what are your thoughts? Like, this is so crazy. see both sides of it.

I can understand why a person would come to that conclusion that it's feminist to pay 50-50 because it makes me think about Gabrielle Union and Dwayne Wade and when she came out and had that viral video of her saying that she decided to it was her choice to go 50-50 with him even though he's like way more uh wealthy than she is. But it was her decision to go 50-50 because they were having a conversation about something and he was like, this is my house or something along those lines.

And she said it kind of scared her, but it also made her angry a little bit to say like, no, we're here together. How dare you say this is your house? So it made her feel like she needed to pay part of the bill so that she could feel like it's my house too. But also, I mean, if you go a little deeper, you can't tell me to get out because I'm paying the bills here too type of thing. And it goes a little bit deeper than that. I understand that because I had that mindset at one point.

unfortunately, there are a lot of guys who feel like if they're paying all the bills, they pay the cost to be the boss. And so they can run the streets and do whatever they want because they're paying the bills. And so the moment I know a guy has that mindset, at least when I was in my 20s, I was like, OK, well, I'll do my share because you're not finna. So I understand that concept. However.

It is not ever going to be 50-50 for a woman if there are children involved and if she also works outside the home. It's automatically going to look something like 90-10 or 80-20, maybe even 70-30. It's never going to be 50-50 for you because as a woman, you are most likely doing all of the domestic labor. You are wrangling the kids, doing homework, getting them off to school in the morning, packing lunches, getting their doctors and appointments.

You're doing all the same things for him nine times out of 10 and for yourself. And you're working and you got to come home after however many hours that you worked and service him and make sure he's fed and nurtured and whatever else. So it's never going to be 50 50. You're in your in your paying the bills and you're paying 50 percent of the bills. So like I said, the only way that it will ever be equal is if you're a child-free couple or if he literally is helping you do everything.

If y'all literally split the chores down the middle or I cook, you clean, or y'all got some kind of arrangement where it's actually 50-50. In most cases, that is not the dynamic. The woman is typically doing the most work. So it's never going to be 50-50 for a woman. ever at risk of pregnancy, you are. That to me is like, that to me alone, you can pay me enough money in the world.

Also hot take, but what Dwayne Wade said to Gabrielle Union is financial abuse and she should have left right then and there. agree. that is the only correct thing to do. My husband has been paying all the bills for like the entirety of our marriage and he has never ever ever uttered some shit like that to me and never would and would never like hold that over my head because that's just that it would be unthinkable to him.

Yeah, it's not even it's just that he knows it it's like it would be unfair otherwise and it would be unfair for him to do a thing and then hold it over my head like that. You know, like you can't have an opinion because I pay for the place where we live. What? How does that make sense? You pay for the place that we live because we are, you know what I mean? He has to be doing it for the right reasons.

So like my whole thing with that is if you have a man that you're afraid is not gonna take you seriously if you don't pay 50 % of the bills, that man is trash. Like. absolutely. what that is. That is uh called the whole man disposal services, because if you ever feel like you need to like pull your own weight for a man to take you seriously and be able to not throw it in your face, that is not the man for you.

And that's why you should always have a job, a lot of people confuse that for you let a man pay all you all your bills while you don't work. ah No, who said I don't work? That's the key. Yeah. money though. Like, you know what I mean? That's my money. And my husband's like, don't even want to know how much you make. It doesn't matter. Like, so, you know.

I somewhat see your point because I do think at some point some of these influencers deserve to be called out not Shira because I love Shira but there are some of these other girlies that advocate for like the trad wife lifestyle and letting a man take care of everything to where it almost teaches women to have this sort of like learned helplessness where you you no longer start have ambitious qualities about you or like learn to have strive for better or learn to

have a job that teaches you basic skills or like, you know, it keeps you up to date or so to speak in the workforce, right? And so yeah, I strongly advocate against that. But you know, and also like there's a reason why these tradwife influencers are in their like 20s and 30s, but never in their 40s and 50s because the tradwives that are in their 40s and 50s are the ones telling you these cautionary tales on TikTok that nobody's listening to. Yeah, they've been there, done that.

They know how it ends for you nine times out of 10. That's why. The ex-tradwives know what the fuck is up. to these women, I just have to say that, you know, like it's a live and learn thing. If you, if the 50-50 works for you and you you don't see that man as being petty, more power to you, I guess. Like some of these women just have to learn the hard way. It's a Canon event type situation.

You'll learn about his character because he you will go above and beyond for him because you're a woman and because you're cooperative and because you're sweet and you're taught, you know, to like support other people and like whatever you will see that that man will always put himself first. You know, when it comes time, like you're going to pay for something of his just to be nice. He is not going to return that favor.

I've read stories about 50 50 couples where men are sitting on like tens of thousands of dollars in their savings account. Mm-hmm. He's struggling. Yes. know, people, I borrow some money? Can I borrow 50 bucks? I need like this much money to pay the bill. You know what I mean? And he's just sitting there like and then she finds out by accident that he has all this money and like some savings account.

And it's like they will always show you who they are every single time if they're not willing to like invest. And this leads perfectly into our main segment, because like men struggle so bad with being like, don't wanna be just a wallet to women, like whatever, then it's like, just be, then be more, right? Then be more.

The reason that I advocate, you know, it's kinda like Sovereign was saying earlier, like the reason we advocate for like not going 50-50 is cause men are not bringing, they're taking 50 % of your money and they're not giving you anything in return. Like you're still doing all of the house labor, like you're still doing everything. you know what they're doing with that 50 %?

They're saving half by taking your half and they're gonna take your half and impress some other woman at the bar or some other woman down the street or is gonna allow him to save more of his money better deal you later. Because typically you're just a stepping stone. When a man makes you go 50-50, you are a placeholder nine times out of 10. Mm-hmm. Yeah, you're a mark. Yeah, you got to know your value ladies for real. Yeah. So because yeah, because the men are are struggling.

Let's talk about that. Let's talk about the flight of the passport, bros, when we return. Alright, welcome back everyone and let's talk about passport bros.

This is a very fascinating topic. We have been asked to do this one a lot so here we are obliging our faithful and amazing audience. let's talk about the passport bros, also known as men who travel thousands of miles to avoid therapy. also known as men who will do literally anything but be a better person. um They will look all across the world instead of looking inward. they will cross an ocean instead of going to just one therapy session.

But basically, yeah, these are I have a short synopsis for y'all. uh If you have never heard of Passport Bros, these are guys who basically have tried dating in their hometowns or wherever that they're living or working and, basically have been rejected by every woman in a 40 mile radius because they want, you know, they bring like this much to the table, but they want a woman who has all this and is like subservient and is like whatever.

and they have decided that the problem wasn't them, that it was those damn Western women. I mean, you know, these modern women, right? They're too independent, too opinionated, too employed, like nobody cares about your degrees, you know? So basically they fly to these places where the cost of living is low and unbalanced. index is super low and women are kind of like raised to know their place and raised to be subservient to men because otherwise they will not have access to resources.

Because they have been their fight for their rights has probably been like squashed over and over and over again. We know that women have always had to fight for their own rights. Like we have never gotten to be able to just sit around and wait for men to like give us our rights. Men have never given us our rights. We've always fought for them. So, you know, for whatever reason, those women have not been able to do that, have not been able to like get to the other side of that fight.

And so they become perfect prey for these predator men, for these passport bros. And basically they call it seeking traditional values. I just want a traditional woman. But you're actually looking for someone who doesn't know any better. Like you're looking for someone that can't provide better for themselves. you just want a relationship where you essentially have the upper hand and just do whatever you want. ah And even like basic decency is seen as like some grand romantic gesture.

That's what they want. also like question for some of these men that go across the globe for a traditional woman is like, why didn't you just start at a church? Why didn't you just start at a place where they train, they groom women from like childhood to become the perfect wife that doesn't complain, that is seen and not heard in these like, know, very fundamentalist religious circles. So like those women exist here, here, especially in the Southern US, like, any.

Any Baptist Church, like just go right, walk on in. Mm-hmm. that. Because it's not about finding that. It's about being able to dominate over women and girls because a lot of those women over there are younger. They're underage as well. yes, I do think that they do that because over here we have these age limit laws, so where the age of consent in even some states is like 16 or even like 17, which is, that's low to us, but in other countries, there isn't one. Like any, yes. point.

We also have like DV resources and like shelters here, whereas other countries might not, which is so diabolical. Like even in my preparation for this episode, I didn't even think about that. So that's a good point y'all because it really is about just trapping somebody like straight up. Yeah, they call it sex tourism, because that's really what it's about. They always talking about traditional wives. Even the men that go over there, they typically don't come back with a wife.

So that's how you know. Like, you've been over there for how long and you didn't find your traditional wife. Are you going to go back? Are you going to just keep going back? especially in the black community, the black men who were doing the passport bros thing. they started out saying they were gonna go to white women because white women were better than black women because we were masculine and we had nasty attitudes. So then it's like, wait, now all of a sudden what we call Becky.

So Becky isn't like good enough now? Because the white women are still here in the United States because Those women were here when they were saying that they were better. And now no women, black women, Asian women, white women, nobody's good enough. All of a sudden now you gotta go all the way to another fucking continent somewhere. Like really? And so pretty soon they're gonna be coming back here. Cause I've been seeing videos of them complaining about the price is going up.

And that's another thing. They're going over there buying women. They're buying women. So. objects, Yes, and they're complaining about the prices going up over there and how the women are just like the women back home. They're starting to find out that women are, yes, they're finding out that the women are the same everywhere. A lot of them are getting set up. Many of them have gotten killed over there because they've gotten these women, they're going these, yeah, it's funny.

I love to see it let me actually read the article because this is uh, yeah, let's um Let me get into that because that is i'm so glad you brought that up Yeah, so like I said, this has some overlap with our special segment, which is about Aqua Tofana if you know, you know. this is about passport bros and traveling overseas. And yeah, there's uh a little bit of background, right? This is from a new documentary. and they cover, let's see.

Okay, yeah, so this guy named Jamali, he's traveling to get to know more about this Passport Bro lifestyle. in January of 2023, the US embassy in Bogota, Colombia issued a warning to tourists after eight suspicious deaths of US citizens in the space of just two months in 2023. So several of the deaths pointed to possible drugging and overdose and others involved the use of online dating apps.

In shocking scenes, Jamali meets two women who drug and rob unsuspecting Western men like the Passport bros for a living. Well, I mean, you know, why are they over there? Take Like I wonder what they were wearing when that happened. um They gotta be careful asking for it. The sinister duo who conceal their identity with sunglasses and bandanas use the deadly drug called scopolamine to render their victims unconscious.

In smaller doses, scopolamine is used in medical settings to treat motion sickness and post-op nausea, but larger amounts can cause cardiac arrest. Admitting they rob for cash, phones, and gold, which men shouldn't carry on them if they don't want to be drugged and robbed. The women show Jamali a small vial, so just like another small vial we'll be talking about later, that you can buy on the black market for 60 euros.

So they tell him that with that little vial, you can kill 10 people, but it's better in powder form. You rub it on their chest, and if we gave it to you, you'd sleep for three days. One of the women then chillingly reveals that she killed a man in Bogota before fleeing the murder scene. She recalls, man came out and he had a lot of money. We were two girls. I'd already given him the liquid and my friend gave him another dose. So he overdosed and had a heart attack at the nightclub.

Right there, he became stiff. So we left and flew away, of course, but I knew from the television, from the newspapers, it was a problem. Justifying her crime, she says, I know it's bad, but it's my job. We all have to survive. I have children to look after. It seems better than prostitution. The other woman flippantly adds, life goes on, life ends, so they die. Period! God. Oh my God. sorry, I don't mean to laugh, but that's just too good.

And like in the grand scale of things, it's a drop in the ocean against how many women have been like, you know, that's happened to. So that's why we laugh just oh for any like keyboard warriors out there, you can like put it away. You literally did. Yeah. With ill intentions. women with ill intentions. Exactly. or laws in place for certain things. You knew what it was when you signed up. you got your comeuppance and it's just that simple.

And the way that a of those, the way that a lot of the guys were being trapped was they would get down there and get on, I guess, dating sites or whatever. And the women would pretend like they're this submissive, loving women or whatever they were doing.

And they would set the men up to be robbed because a lot of those women either working with other women or they had male handlers that were I guess baiting these men in and like either having sex with them or pretending like they were gonna have sex with them or whatever, but knocking them out, taking their money, taking their jewelry if they had it, taking their passports.

And there was a couple of passport bros I got on YouTube and made videos asking, can his followers send him money because he got robbed and he didn't have a way to get back to the US. I saw a couple of those videos last year. So yeah. You'll love to see it. you know, and you go down a rabbit hole with these videos because it's so interesting and you don't feel bad. Like I literally don't feel bad. And I'm the most empathetic person that you will ever meet.

And I'm telling you, when I say I felt nothing, I was just like, well, you went down there with ill intentions. So it is what it is. yeah, that's actually very male media coded. Like what, you know, action movie isn't about somebody exacting revenge on somebody that had like, men taught us this, you know what I mean? Like men are the ones that are not big on forgiveness. They're big on justice. Like looks like justice was served.

Like looks like you went over there to try and trap a woman to be your sex slave and she fucking killed you. So I don't know. Like guess you both ain't shit. in some countries the justice system is so slow moving it can take like a decade to get cases through. other countries definitely have a sense of street justice, especially in countries like Thailand, where if you go there as a tourist and you fuck around, those Thai people will make sure you find out. They will.

There's a couple videos where some, I think it was an Israeli couple that was just being a menace and striking at people because I think they were having like a pro-palestine rally or something there and they said something and then it got rough and then all of a sudden all of these people came rushing in to handle the situation and same thing where another tourist was there and she was being harassed by other tourists like

other male tourists and she was kind of like you know obviously giving these you know body signals that like she's very uncomfortable and very fearful And there are these motorcyclists on the road that stopped and beat the shit out of them and made sure she was okay. I love to see it. I really do.

yeah it we need to have more justice in the world where there isn't like I've been talking about roving gangs of women and you really do love to see it like I just you know what I mean and the article goes on to say too that some of these guys just ignore it and they just take it as part of the experience like it's like the two ends of like the male hubris spectrum it's like I'll go and nothing bad will happen to me and then the other spectrum is like literally this guy was like

it's kind of awesome. Like, he was like, I don't know. He said, I woke up without my shit. I took a girl on a date. It was a Tinder girl. We were at my house. We're sharing a drink. I'm kissing her. Then I woke up the next morning without my phone, iPad and wallet. I thought to myself, I got got. He brags. That was my third date that week. Like, I don't know. It's just for some reason I love that he's like, it was worth it. I don't even care what happened. Like that's so funny.

Like either way, I love it cause the men are losing either way. Like. are. Another thing, they're doing all of this talking over here and going over there and getting the same results or worse. And another thing that they don't take into account is the men over there. The men are not going to let you come and like take over unless they're going to get something out of it.

Like I said, a lot of those women have male handlers or they're watching you coming over and, you know, trying to make it rain and throw cash or whatever. There was a guy that was upset that the going price because many of them are just going and picking up prostitutes. I'm sorry to say that, right? Young, young, you know, young girls. And apparently the going rate over there, normal, could get you, it was $40 could get you a woman for the night or for a couple of days or a week.

I don't remember exactly the time length. And there was a man complaining saying that a woman was starting to charge $50 now or something like that. And yes, it's diabolical. And he was literally crashing out saying that the other passport bros that was coming down there were trying to show off to make it look like they got all this money and they were willing to pay the girls more than what they were supposed to get, what they were supposedly worth, quote unquote.

And that made the prices go up for the other passport bros who were only used to paying $40. So they were literally arguing and mad and crashing out over having to pay $10 more as if $50 is like all this money. But it just goes to show you the mindset, the mindset of these men and like what the real reason was. Most of them don't come back with wives. Some of them end up dead and drugged. Some of them can't come back because they're broke.

Like, you know, it's not working out and I am here for it. It's funny as hell to me.

The funniest part is too, is they're doing all of this just to circumvent self-awareness and personal responsibility. It's literally like, as you were talking about that, I was like thinking about that, cause I was like, okay, so they're blaming other men, they're blaming the women, they're blaming like, you know what I mean? They could probably find a way to blame the men in the United States for this too, because it's like, you guys are like.

spoiling the women basically, you know, like now that women have access, like we should take their jobs back away, like da da da. And it's like their finger never points at themself. Like you were saying earlier, Gwen, like it always finds somebody else. You know what mean? They're just spinning in a circle, finding people to point the finger at and be like, no, it was your fault. It was your fault. It was your fault. It's your fault. I'm a loser. It's your fault. I'm a loser. It's your fault.

I'm a loser. And it's like, no, babe, the Common denominator is you're a loser, babe. Like you gotta just like, it hurts the one time. Just rip it off like a bandaid and then start fucking doing something about it. You know what I mean? Like that's, yeah, I know.

because like they will go to these countries where women have less options less rights less opportunity You know far far less than you know what we have over here and they still find a way to blame Western feminism For the fact that they're being rejected or the fact that the prices have gone up to rent a prostitute or something over there Or the fact that maybe she said no once and it's just like oh

You're following this Western feminism content blah blah blah or just accusing them of being a feminist and it's like bro what? It's they're just they're not in touch with reality. They don't I just I hope that's true. Like that is why we fight for feminism over in the West, because we know that a rising tide lifts all boats. And so that's why they hate us so much, because we actually do, you know, even if that were the case, like I would be proud of that. I'd be like, yeah, good.

Like that's what happens. they're following this like outdated advice because their grandfathers and they're probably their fathers before them went to countries like Vietnam. Like, cause this is like probably during the time that, you know, they had had all this devastation from the Vietnam war. Um, so, basically they would go there and these rural places would have, you know, a lot less opportunity.

And so in order to flee their situation, they would shack up with some of these men, probably not by choice or even anyways. the Vietnamese, have what's called the doi muoi, or I'm sorry if I'm saying that wrong. I am so sorry to my Vietnamese brothers and sisters, but they have what's called the doi muoi, which just means reformation, or they had economic come ups.

And literally in less than a generation, they went from what, 90 % of their people living in rural poverty or below $5 a day to just. basically overnight just becoming industrialized and having a lot of these economic opportunities that they did not have before. And so now women especially have a lot more economic opportunities because they had like these programs where you can borrow money to finance certain operations to like start your own business. And they weren't restricting women as much.

And so women were able to apply for these business loans. it's so funny because they've actually found that when women borrow money, they do see that ROI almost immediately more than men because women were more likely to invest back into their shareholders, whereas men would give more reasons to be greedy about it and withhold some of those that return money. so it's just, I'll link that down below for you where I read that resource because it's this whole thing.

And so basically, their grandfathers and fathers were able to get away with having Vietnamese brides from back in the day because that was the only way to leave their situation. But now that situations have much improved and they go there, and they're not having as much luck, they're blaming Western feminism rather than the fact that those women there just now don't need you. It's definitely not the same, and a lot of these countries are similar, yeah. so threatened. And for what? With what?

Like women being equal? That's the problem. You know what I mean? Like, it's so crazy. that's the thing. Yeah, you are the common denominator.

And it's like you were saying sovereign these guys have like whole entire communities where they basically brag about this they like give each other like tips on how to do it and like they'll be like You know she cooks she cleans and she listens and she doesn't complain and it just makes me think of like that Shira seven quote where she's like You've been kidnapped by a broke man and it's like that's exactly what like is happening.

Like it's broke men trying to kidnap you know, young women that don't have access to resources. there was a great bit in The White Lotus about that. know, I don't think either of you watched that show, but there was a great bit where, cause it was this last season was filmed in Thailand and uh one of the guys on the show like meets up with one of his buddies and the buddy gives this like entire... monologue about how he came to Thailand to escape some like legal trouble.

And then he but he had money on him. So he was like, you know, I just every night I would like hook up with girls, you know, and like it was like night after night and after like a thousand nights, you know, you're like, need something more, you know, I'm just looking for something more. And so then eventually like he talks like it just escalates to like a ridiculous point where he's like, And then one time I was like, you know, maybe I want to be one of these Thai girls.

Like maybe that's what I want to be. And so he started like dressing up as them and like then eventually getting like F'd by other men. And then eventually he was having Thai girls watching him dressed as a Thai girl getting F'd by other men. And it was like this really ridiculous moment that a lot of people didn't know what to do with. Cause like the whole climax of his story was like, well anyways, now I'm a Buddhist and like I'm drinking tea because I can't, just, you know what I mean?

Like had to just completely separate from all that. And it's like, but I just thought it was poignant because like there is something to that, cause you're trying to fill like a space, you know what I mean? Like men think it's empowering to say yes to themselves and to have other people say yes to them. And it's like, it's not empowering.

It actually makes you, weak and lustful and insecure and like you just keep kind of like, you know, the whole point of it was to show like the escalation of depravity. It's like what you're doing is already kind of like depraved. Like no matter how you justify it to yourself, you're, it's sex tourism, you know what I mean? And like, you are never gonna be satisfied like night after night after night. You could do this a thousand and one nights and then you'll still be like, damn like.

What if I was the tie girl? What if the tie girl was watching me? Like, my God, dude, like the, you know? It's like you can like exhaust all of your lustful ability, you know, and still not be satisfied. Like, I don't know. want people to know that none of this stuff is new. Like the passport bro thing is not new. You know what it was called before? A mail order bride. And that's actually what they accused Melania of being, but I digress.

And like it was literally called having a mail order bride because back in the day you could find like magazine ads or newspaper ads advertising these women that were available in certain countries like Eastern Europe or in places like the Southeast Asian nations. So like places like Cambodia or Vietnam especially. that were available for a purchase to be a bride. The title was, Male Order Bride. so that, to me, just like, time really is like a flat circle.

And because there was so much negative connotation associated with the word, male order bride, it brings about a lot of shame and whatnot, and rightfully so. As time progresses onward, we just find ways to change the name of things, but they never went away. The system is still there. And so I... one kind of points the finger at men though. Like, you know what I mean? We tend to do this thing often where it's like male order bride and it's like, why is it the woman's fault? You know what I mean?

Like that she has to do that. But yeah, I remember that was extremely normalized when I was growing up. Like it was not weird. I mean, I'm sure it was still kind of weird, but it was not uncommon to see that situation and I just know that the Eastern European mail order brides were not popular. I'm sorry. I just know they weren't because she'll hit you with a slipper if you pop off too much. Eastern European women I mean, I don't know. You just don't see that as much anymore.

m for a Vietnamese woman. Like you cannot talk back to a Vietnamese woman. Ask any Vietnamese person. Like if you have like a Vietnamese mother, like if you talk back, ooh, there is so much like we have in common as East Asians and Southeast Asians when it comes to our childhood and our upbringing that like you never talk back to your parents for anything. Like you just, you would get beat.

They would just get the rice patty thing where they, the rice was to beat you with it or like the wooden spoon. Mm-hmm. got the chancla, the flip-flop, that's actually a Hispanic one, similar, right? And so it's so funny to yeah, they once the women are there they kind of realize like I have more cards than he thinks like I can do more than he thinks and so I think that that's been a real problem

for these men and I think that that's a problem they run into even overseas they go there thinking that these women are going to be docile, meek, and submissive, very that's why it was so common, I guess, in more of the Asian community than I've seen anywhere else, because I've seen more kids like me who are Wajian than anywhere else. And I think that's just because these men, not always Americans, but these men from wealthy countries go there just to find a wife.

who is more childlike and more willing to be submissive. When they come to find out, they find out. And so I love that for us so much. I love that once they get the green card, they'll divorce immediately. So I love that for them.

or they'll just stop giving a fuck like they'll wait for the man to divorce them like I know stories, but I don't want to like incriminate anybody so I know stories though like there's the women are not nice and they will just like Let's just say at the very least they will not intervene if something bad has happened like Right, right. of natural causes and their wife just happened to be in a different room and happened to not hear them and happened to not come out and help.

yeah, it wasn't her fault. Like it was like a passive, situation where she didn't have to do anything. So she didn't, you know. So and I'm just saying like that is what's going to happen. Like when women are oppressed, you start to turn to like. the darker side of survival, you know what I mean? Like that is what we always have had to do. That's how, you know. that's how a lot of men have lost their life.

I think I mentioned this on the other podcast before too, but one of my mutuals was saying that like, no fault divorce is literally keeping men alive. And it's like, yeah, that's very, very true, because a lot of women would be forced into a lot more dire actions if that was not on the table. And it's like, at that point, it's not your fault. if an animal like if a caged animal does something drastic to get out of the cage, like that's not the animal's fault for it being trapped, you know?

So, I don't know, to me this kind of like comes back to the hypergamy. Like they're always complaining about hypergamy. women just want men who make more money than them. Like, okay, well how do you explain the fact that like literally no women want you not even overseas, not even even though you make like all this more money. They can just make more money because all of y'all are suckers and they can make more money just like.

sleeping with y'all or just doing sex work than like actually coming home with one of y'all, know? Like, what's up with that?

Period because I think they know by now what's waiting for them because now our social media has evolved and uh More connectivity has been happening with us from the West and connecting with the East they see you know Like the how the how broke these men are and that's why they're having to go overseas to afford a wife Because they see they're like, well, what's what's on the other side? Is it just gonna be?

Like a one-bedroom apartment and some dusty like complex situation like we share a car maybe maybe And I'm gonna have to do everything just be like a maid whenever I don't really have to do that in my own country and at least my country is like fucking beautiful compared to this urban hell hole and over there just depending where you live I guess but gosh is such a cruel joke when you actually get here and try to live here.

Like there's so many beautiful spaces, but anywhere that you have to live is going to be like, look like a strip mall. Like too many strip malls in this country. privatize a lot of those, know, nature trails or those parks that, know, have those views. But like you do have to kind of go out of your way because they don't make that area as livable or like walkable.

Like you do have to like take your car to these places and then you got to pay to park, pay to get on the trail, pay for your food, pay for your drink and access and things like that. yeah, whereas like in those countries, like that's just their backyard. They just open up and see mountains and beaches and it's fucking beautiful. I'm so jealous. You can't tell. I want to play a video that Sovereign sent uh in.

It the dark side of um Passport Bros. Let's, you know, straight from the horse's mouth, you know what I mean? This is another man just letting us know what is behind all this. oh this Passport Bro facade, this Passport Bro energy is because a lot of you, you're failure. You're a failure. You failed in your homeland and you... States. So you run overseas to fulfill your in-cell perverted desires. That's what you do.

You run overseas to fulfill your sexual in-cell lustful desires because let's be honest. I know this gonna ruffle some feathers, but it's not like a lot of y'all me and a man these women anyway, you're not going over there man. These women in droves committing to them and and be doing right by them. No, you're not you may get a one-off here or there every now and then. Hmm. They're able to go over there and have access to these women as being trafficked.

And I know it's gonna bother some of y'all, but it's the God-honest truth. Whether they're of age, underage, if her body looks developed a certain type of way, well, that's enough identification for me so she look over the older than 18. That's your identification that you use. And that's the sickening thing.

That's why a lot of men don't say anything about a lot of women being, you know, disappearing and stuff like that because they're to go over there and have access to these type of women just because a woman is walking around in some of these third world countries and they're smiling and they may look like they're free and they're roaming around. A lot of these women that's being trafficked. have somebody to report to if you know what I mean at the end of the day. and to hand over their money to.

So, you know, a lot of... So ladies, all of y'all over here in the States, stop feeling like, you know, these men, you you gotta step your game up and these women are better than you and all that. No, it's not. A lot of these women are being preyed on because they're being trafficked. lot of you men are perverted failures. That's what you are, perverted failures. He really, yeah, he really said it. Mm-hmm.

Yeah, it's the truth and it's always like whenever the men complain to us when we travel and we have all these pictures in our bios of like all the countries we've been to and all the places we've seen and they accuse us of like going there to be slut and it's like no, that's what you do. That's what y'all are doing Every projections like every I'm sorry.

Every accusation is always a projection It's like cuz they're going to these countries and finding these women who have less options and doing God knows what and That's the only thing that they can conceptualize of, the only reason to go to some of these countries to do. And not, you know, to see the beautiful beaches or the lovely food or to hang out with the locals. They immediately assume that you're going there to find men and boys to do. It's just, it's crazy to me. It's so fucking funny.

Because you know. low vibrational lustful So it's a red flag if a man sees your travelogue and starts accusing you of being doing some past bro shit, because that's what he's doing. I like that he brought up that there's kind of a man on either side of this too. It's like you're really just dealing with other men at the end of the day. Like, are you not? you're basically your money is still even like changing hands with a man for the most part.

It's so funny how like if they think they can go to China and find a wife in China, but these Chinese men are trained in the home to like cooking clean and do all that stuff. So they're having a lot more trouble. Well, it depends, I guess, like what part of China, but there are some parts of China where those men are looking really good on social media these days. So I don't know.

Alright and before we kind of wrap up, just, Gwen and I had some like posts from the uh Passport Bros subreddit that we wanted to share with y'all. I have one that was kind of a self burn posted in there. Someone said, interesting thing to think about and it was a post by actually C China, if anyone knows her song Peggy, that's a great song.

that says boy math equals complaining Western women only want you for your money then going to foreign countries to settle with the women that are underprivileged and only want you for your money and they said it's a lot less money overseas and then someone else said and you don't have to be six feet tall the money goes further This was all of their like responses basically. If they want us for our money, of course we go where it's valued the most. So it's like, okay, so you do want hypergamy.

You do want women to just want you for your money. Like got it, okay. It's just like, even when it's like right there in their face, it's like, they still don't get it. They're like, well, yeah. And it's like, no, women are not objects. I mean besides that whole part but it's just like I know it's true it's true because they're really just looking for you know what I mean a dishwasher and like a cooking app or a life appliance exactly bourbon bougie shout out Barb.

So I don't know, like the mindset here is basically don't take them back. ah If you can get a 4 out of 10 in the US and find you can get a 9 out of 10 in Thailand or the Philippines, for example, when you bring her to the US, she will discover she can do better if she doesn't already know that before she arrives. that's dark. So Gwen, they're basically saying like, don't bring them back to the US, just stay there. Oh, that's so dark.

it goes, unless you have some incredible one in a million personality that nobody has ever discovered before in your life, except this girl just now, then there will be enormous intrinsic and extrinsic pressure for her to leave you. But we want so much to believe we were special all along, that we have just been recognized, that we convince ourselves completely. How intoxicating to hear a 21 year old model tell you that you're the most unique incredible man she's ever met.

Is there anything better? Oh, don't take your third world they verbatim don't take your third world girl out of the third world in the US There are far richer younger more successful men who will make her feel special like she has never felt before Wow. It just goes deeper and it just is last bit. Cause like, I think y'all need to know what the fuck they'd be saying in these subreddits.

Cause it's either hilarious or really dark because they absolutely know, they know what the fuck they're doing. But you are exotic in the third world. There are very few of you. You have high status and power. You can change someone's life and the lives of their whole family. If only you would choose them to fall in love with. You are the prize. Like that's what they're fucking saying. And the saddest part is they don't have as much money as they go over there and pretend like they got.

So there's some poor unsuspecting girls like, thinking that they actually have anything to offer and they don't. And then you come back here and you're faced with reality. It's like, when are you going to look at yourself in the mirror? At what point? That's the part I don't get. That's the thing they avoid. And I talk about this all the time. This is why men invented religion. This is why men invented the hierarchies in the first place. Because they just want to be able to point the finger.

They don't ever want to do the self introspection. And it all shows just how much men actually need women. All of this, everything goes right back to that. Because if you didn't need women, you wouldn't try so hard. You wouldn't take rights away. You wouldn't pass laws that would subjugate us. You just wouldn't. You wouldn't be traveling to other countries to find someone that would be submissive to you. All of this in the name of needing a woman. And that's the sad part. And we don't need them.

They just need us. period. the crazy part. Women have never needed men. We have never needed men. And they think that we are naturally submissive. And I'm like, okay, if we're naturally submissive, then why do you have to make laws to force us to want you, to force us to be under your thumb, if that was the case? Or why can you only find those naturally submissive women in countries where women don't have access to resources? huh, interesting.

Like, so as soon as women have resources, all of a sudden they're not naturally, they're not submissive. So it wasn't natural. It was manufactured by you. It was a simulated environment created by men. Yeah. Nature needs no reminders. Nature just does what it does. Like nature... So if you have to remind women to be submissive, probably because it's just, it's not natural. Come on. I was gonna say that's bars. That's really good. Yeah, I think that's what it all comes back to.

But ladies just know like, this is you never have to believe men who are telling you like, you're valued this and like, you're a low value woman. And like, we want these kind of like, trust me, the only reason that they can even say that is because there are women out there worse off than you who have been like just oppressed to the point where anything is like a better out for them than like the life that they're currently being offered. But that's about it. It all depends on that.

if men wanna be loved like for what they really are, there's like an easy solution to that, right? You should just give women all the resources and let women choose, but that's what they don't wanna do. you know what I mean? like the only way for men to be loved for who they really are, not just a wallet, is for women to have equal access to resources. but that's the problem is men don't want to be more than a wallet. they don't care for it.

they don't want to develop any of those like actually useful skills. they just want to feel like they can control and dominate somebody else, which is usually a woman. ideally though it would be a man. Yep. So it's just like double insulting. It's like, was just such a creepy ass mindset I don't know. Like, yeah. It's actually sad. You know, it's like how sad is your life that this is what you, like would your grandmother be proud? Like would your ancestors be proud of this? Like this is sad.

This is what your life has amounted to. I can't even imagine how empty a lot of these men must feel on the inside. You have to feel empty. I feel like only women feel these things. Or empathy, like, would my ancestors be proud of me? Would this be something that I could go home and say that I'm proud that I did? Like, no, only women have that. Men don't have those stop gaps. did, I mean, they wouldn't do even half of the stuff, a fourth of the things that they do.

They just wouldn't do it because they would be too ashamed. They would have empathy. They would care too much. No, they don't. I'm afraid they never will, a lot of them. That's the sad part. So, well. don't know if we should tell women to, keep that advice of would you be ashamed or like, you would your ancestors be proud of you? Or if we should just tell women to like think more like a man and just, I don't know, on one hand, you know, like, no, two wrongs don't make it right.

But I kind of see that, you know, where it's like, we can't all just start. should absolutely be like robbed and drugged and scammed because that's what they're trying to do to you. That's what they're trying to do to you. Why? fool you out of your body and free labor. So what, like. doing to them is actually arguably more merciful because you're not trying to like sign them up into a situation where they have to wake up every day and serve you just to like survive.

it's not like you're gonna leave them without dignity if you know what I mean. You know, fill in the blank on that. least we can't do that to them as much as like, well like, because they do that in mass to us to such a point, that's a tool for war.

Like they specifically like oppress, like go to those opposing countries and just take their women and X, Z. if we started doing that to them, not saying like, that word but like if we started you know committing 93 % of you know mass violent crimes or like shootings and things like that like do you think that would that would be equality though I don't know I do think that would be somewhat more the very definition of equality. Actually.

really do think that sometimes it's like they only understand the taste of their own medicine. And what's funny is like they act like they've never done it, you know? all of those, and I love the women that like whenever something bad happens to a man at the hands of a woman, like when Sha'Carri Richardson was accused of domestic violence.

Yeah. And all the women in the comments were like, well, what was he doing to like, and why would we like punish a promising young athlete over like some man's like lies and stuff? Like I love to see that because the men get so butthurt about it. And it's like, literally, how dare you? Like you, your threshold, you're so weak. Like this is what I'm always saying too, is like, it only show you how weak men actually are. Cause they'll just start crying about it and then they'll get guns banned.

Like I'm so serious. Like they will throw out the second amendment. If we started committing all of these mass, you know, shootings, like, guns would just be banned overnight. I really do think that. Absolutely. Yeah. There's like a BoJack Horseman, like a bit about that. much harsher sentencing than men do for committing the same crimes. Yeah. Like just the woman who, I forget her name, I'll throw up my head right now, but she is in there for life because she finally killed her tormentor.

Cynthia, is it Sentoya Brown? Is it Cynthia or Sentoya? Yes, Sentoya, yes, her. Like God, like her situation was abominable to read about. her sex trafficker and they put her in jail for life. m me fact check that. was this? Let it had been a man who did that, he would be out in, you know, they would probably give him eight years and he'll get out in like three years with good behavior. No, it would have just been an open-shot case. news, it was commuted. The sentence, wait, hold on.

me Yeah, she was released. It was Tennessee. thank God. at least now there's this precedent of a woman like getting the sentence commuted. I also think of Gypsy Rose when she finally killed her mom for doing all that crazy shit to her and then she got the book thrown at her too but she also got her sentence committed and she was released. Thank God. They saw sense.

Because how do you do that to a child but- Yeah, and honestly it was because of like women, know, like Rihanna and Kim Kardashian, like they very publicly spoke out um for her. And I was going to say, we always like, you know, where are the men? Where's our protectors? You know what I mean? They will make a whole movie like taken, you know, starting Liam Neeson.

And, and they'll, but when a woman does that for herself, when a woman kills the bad guy herself, they're like, Well, she shouldn't have, you know, that's a little harsh. my God, I can't, I actually can't like. they don't want to live in a world where they can't control a woman's anger, her happiness, her anything.

They don't want to be in a world where they can't, the more women do that, the more afraid they're going to get because, and they have to put this narrative out there like it's so terrible to try to deter other women from doing it. But at the end of the day, the more you try to, oppressed women, the more likely women are going to take justice into their own hands and rightfully so, which I know you're going to say it leads us into the next segment. Yes. Yes. about.

All right, so we'll see y'all there to talk about the Agua Tijuana.

Alright, welcome back. We've been teasing this all episode thanks to our VIP members who voted on this. This was an overwhelming vote. This was the margin between this and the next thing was quite large. you spoke and we listened. We know what y'all want to hear about. So uh picture this. It's Italy, 1650. The pasta's amazing, the art is better, and the patriarchy is still going strong. Women are still being oppressed.

They can't vote, they can't divorce, and they can't inherit anything unless, of course, their husband dies under mysterious circumstances. Which was starting to happen a lot in 1650 Italy. Marriage back then, I mean, according to me, even now, isn't exactly a rom-com. It's more like a binding contract between your father and some man with a receding hairline and questionable hygiene. And if he's cruel, violent, whatever, uh that's your problem.

And if you complain about it, you're being hysterical and you need to be locked up in like an insane asylum. And like we say all this jokingly, but this really was women's reality. Like you really, really, really could not complain about a man like mistreating you. Once your father signed you off and like the exchange was kind of made, like that was that. And so what's a girl to do? They hadn't invented a divorce for women yet.

Gwen was talking before this segment that like men have always kind of had no fault divorce, like at least in the eyes of the law, you know what I mean? They could make up a reason or they could like, you know, say something so that the judge would grant them a divorce. But for women, like, you know, we were talking about this earlier, too. We always get the book thrown at us. Like women are just not allowed to move about the world freely.

you know, kind of leaves women with a narrow path to travel. Enter Giulia Tafana. This was a The mysterious widow the alleged criminal mastermind and the woman behind one of history's most effective poisons named after her aqua tofana The reason we call it aqua is because it wasn't like your average um Poison, but it looked like water and everyone knows aqua water.

That's the same thing And so that is the name of the potion and the name of the inventor is Giulia Tofana And so it wasn't some like dramatic like, you drink it and then you like drop dead in 30 seconds kind of thing. It was very elegant, very subtle, very sophisticated. It was kind of like a slow burn type of poison. And the men would not realize what was happening until it was too late. And so like I said, it was clear, tasteless, odorless.

It could be passed around like in little containers that looked like it was holy water. I don't know if y'all have ever been like I have friends who are orthodox and like you literally can take home these little vials of holy water from the churches. And so that's what they would disguise it as. And sometimes they would put like a saint on it, whatever. But the poison worked in stages, which made it really difficult to kind of like pinpoint like what was exactly what's happening.

And so you would give it to them a few drops at a time, kind of like you would with eye drops, if you were gonna do something terrible like that, over days or even weeks. And at first it looked like a cold and then it would look like a food poisoning. And then it would look like a miracle depending on who you asked because they would just basically end up dying slowly and painfully.

But elegantly and I feel like in a way that only a woman Could have done like you know what I mean like men are always so brutal about the killings It's like there's no need to be brutal this whole thing can be like clean elegant. know what I mean? Like Demure very mindful, you know, like it's not there's not blood everywhere Do you know what I mean? It's so woman-coded.

Like I love it and I always think like little detour but I always think of like how many women because we're not brutal with the murders and stuff like how many of us are out there that have you know anyways it just always makes me think because we don't have the hubris that men have like I do think there's probably a lot of like unconvicted female murderers out there that's all I'm gonna say So yeah, we often talk about how cooperative women are compared to men and this case was no different.

Like this whole thing kind of relied on it worked kind of like an MLM but you know what I mean? Like women would recruit each other into this knowledge base. Like this is kind of a sisterhood with all of this. Yeah, it's speakeasy. Yes, exactly. Yeah. Or kind of think of like your local Avon lady. I don't know if you guys grew up with a Mary Kay or Avon lady. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

So it was like, you know, all the apothecaries, the midwives, fortune tellers, housekeepers, even though women were not allowed to work very much, the ones that were allowed to work, like they were the ones that was getting the word out. And so women who couldn't escape their marriages would be able to use this kind of like loophole. And so they say over 600 men died from aqua tofana before anyone caught 600. Like that's a lot. Like that's a serious, like, you know what I mean?

Those are numbers. Like they were doing numbers out there. Not enough. I'm sure. It was a lot back then, I'm sure. That's Yeah, yeah, yeah. You're cracking me up. So, you know, like we're not saying every man was a monster that was like killed with this. I mean, some were probably just misfortunate enough to marry someone with like ambition and access to chemistry, so to speak. And like they just, you know, happened to be like, you know, fuck this.

But a lot of these women were in genuinely dangerous situations, like they had no legal protections. no financial independence, no safe way out. And so that basically became the tool to use because the world around them wasn't listening. Like they'd be like, I'm being abused. Like my husband is crazy. Like all this stuff. Like he's making me do things I don't want to do. And people were like, do you want to go into an asylum or do you want to go back home?

which, you know, what do you want us to do exactly? it's like, yeah, sure. It's morally questionable, but we have whole museums dedicated to stolen, colonized artifacts and America exists. You know what I mean? All of that's morally questionable. it's like right and wrong gets really complicated when the system doesn't give you a legal way out. So unfortunately, eventually the authorities did catch on and one woman panicked and confessed, snitches against stitches.

but yeah, the whole operation happened to unravel and, what followed was referred to as the Spana prosecution named after another alleged poisoner, Geronimo Spana. And it was basically the Italian Inquisition, but with a much higher body count and less singing. Um, Giulia was arrested, possibly tortured and according to some reports executed, but Other legends say that she was like able to escape and take sanctuary in a church and die peacefully under papal protection. So we don't know.

It's a classic like 1600s like mystery. Like they really didn't have good like record keeping back then. So it's kind of like a like a he said she said. So exactly it's like you know what was was was she a serial killer? Maybe. Was she a feminist icon? I'd say definitely, I don't know. Also maybe. Exactly. should be a patron saint of domestic violence survivors.

Yeah, it's like, you know, her legacy is a little bit complicated, but she, I mean, she was like one of the original like witches, an original chemist, you know what I mean? Like if men invented something like this, like, they would be in a museum, you know what I mean? There would be a museum wing dedicated to them and it would be used in a war and it would be justified. And it's like, well, listen, women have always been at war, you know, with the patriarchy, it sounds like.

And so it's just like a scientific solution to a social problem that no one wanted to fix. And so it's like, you know, we're not saying you should poison anyone. Like we're very much like get some therapy, healthy communication. this is a joke. For legal reasons, this is all a joke and not an instruction manual, but you know, it's worth asking why so many women in so many parts of history had to resort to secrecy and violence just to feel safe. Like who was making them feel that way?

You know what I mean? Like when you really look at the root of it, it's like men are always blaming us for everything. Like, and it's like, wow, like we came and blame men for like. Dude, I was in such an abusive relationship, I literally had to kill the motherfucker just to get out. And nobody feels bad for you. They're like, well, why'd you kill him? Wasn't there like a better way Just a couple of drops. mean, who knows? It's like, you know what I mean?

Girl, math, it was just a couple of drops. Like it was holy water. I thought it was holy water. I was blessing his food really. And then it, you know, maybe God took, like maybe it was God. Like, you know what I mean? Maybe God said like. This is it. him be poisoned. Yeah, it was like Jesus turning water into wine except for God turning holy water into poison. Like who's to say? Who's to say that wasn't that? yeah. Aqua tofana. Amazing.

just kind of ties back into my favorite research that I have found lately, which is that women will increase their dark triad, like traits and behaviors when they're oppressed. And it's like there's proof after proof after proof of that. Like we talked about it with the passport bros. You know, we're talking about it now. It's like this has always women have always had to go vigilante to protect other women because men don't protect us. They oppress us. Right.

And then they like kind of protect us within that oppression, but it's more like a territorial protection. And it's like, they don't protect us from themselves. want to see the dark triad and more women like in my lifetime I really do more than anything if I had to if somebody told me I'll grant you a wish You you're granted one wish that would be my wish.

I want to see more women go dark triad I just do because I feel like the the scales would be tipped if we did usually do because men will, there is kind of a sense with it that men get of like incoming danger and they actually do kind of uh usually straighten out a little bit, yeah, and like give women more rights and we'll kind of start like listening. But yeah, that's why I always say it's like they only understand the taste of their own medicine for some reason.

And it's like, dude, we've tried like to be the bigger person. We've tried to like go above and beyond. We've tried to just focus on ourselves. We've tried like so many things and it's like nothing helps, It's the only kind of communication that a lot of abusers will understand, unfortunately. when his love language is actions or app, not words of affirmation, the ones like, oh, acts of service, that one. When his love language is acts of service, so you service him with aqua tofana.

We've been talking about this like unknowingly for a while now, because we were saying like, a man, like if they were to take away no fault divorce and you were in a situation where a man was like beating you. were verbally abusing you and you still had to cook and be a slave and whatnot. sovereign, were saying, we'll cook for you, but that'll be your last meal. Yeah. One day you're just not going to wake up. So um I'm just saying, in theory.

haha true and like other women will resort to, um this is something I've learned from my Eastern European sisters, you can also resort to just emotional torture and like send a man off a cliff that way or just like away from you that way. You just never let him feel like he's a big man. like, you're doing all this, but you're really just like, yeah, I don't know. advise against that just because when a man feels so insecure and so small, he does the most outrageous things like kill us.

Because they've killed us for less. They've killed us for less. So that's why men's anger is... Use sparingly. Yeah. Yeah. That you ain't shit. That you have a microbe. Yes. Yeah. Oh my God. Stop. With my last breath, I will call you. Yeah. I will call it a button mushroom with my last breath. Fat pussy gang. You button mushroom motherfucker. Yeah, literally. And then I'll just be like, then I'll wake up one more time. Yeah, literally. You dust. Dusty. Brokey. my god. That's too funny.

That's why your mom never. What she say? my God. liked me more. loved me more than he ever loved you. Yeah, they would hate that. should have given your dad a son he actually loves. Ooh. Yes. amazing. That's amazing. Yeah. Thanks to say with your last breath to, know, I love it. Yeah, I don't know. There's uh women have resorted to all sorts of things.

And I will say that, like, you know, some of the easiest ways have probably just been passive, you know, where it's like, yeah, if you trust a woman, if you abuse a woman your whole entire life and like her whole entire life, and then you're like on your uh deathbed expecting her to like take care of you, you know, just keep that in mind. You know what I mean? She has the upper hand. Like now you have to eat whatever she cooks you, whether it's poison or not.

And what if it's just like undercooked or tastes like shit? And like, what if she just keeps giving you salmonella poisoning and like letting you like shit all over yourself? No, I'm so serious. Like that's the possibilities are endless because like you are at the same time kind of surrendering yourself. to a woman who has ample motive to like, fuck your life up. Like, I don't know, I don't know. It just doesn't seem very... uh know all your health conditions.

We know if you're diabetic and we can just sprinkle in a little sugar. But I can pretend like I never knew you're allergies. you're allergic to walnuts? He never told me he was allergic to walnuts. What? in male fields. Exactly. I don't know. This is kind of a cautionary tale for men, really, not for women. Like Listen, if when the times get tough, the tough get going. Is that it? The tough get, no, something like that. The tough get tougher. the end of the day, the day gonna end.

Public says that a lot. yes. At the end of the day, the day's gonna end and, you know, in some ways you will figure out the way to be a master of your destiny. I do think that is like conclusion to a lot of this is like, right now men are lucky that the divorce came out of nowhere and that she took the kids and like, consider yourself lucky, sir. Consider yourself very lucky because...

When you wage war on somebody don't be surprised when they start fighting back like don't be surprised when they Utilize these like guerrilla tactics basically and like kill you in your own home like oh, in your sleep. always say, I always say, well, you got to sleep sometime. You got to go to sleep sometime. Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. Yes, the gardening. Yes, start gardening, ladies. Learn how to garden. There are some plans, right? Oh? is so interesting and has so many uses. very pretty.

Yep. You know, witches existed for a reason too. You know, let's just say that there's like a lot of naturopathic remedies. Herbs. like a flower that could take care of a little problem and then they use it so often that it was bred to extinction but I'd like to think that there's still something out there or it was like it used for birth control. Yeah. is. pretty amazing. Like they literally used it so much. Like imagine... like that's crazy to me. That's what it all comes back to.

Men will do anything but be a good person. You don't actually have to do this. Like nobody's making you do... yeah. crazy that every century is the same thing? It's almost like they're not evolving. It's so crazy. We're talking about the 1600s and probably even before then, and now where we are, we still have to do, I can't. Yeah, yeah. because the men have learned nothing.

Yeah, it is, it's a flat circle and it gets like, in some ways it gets a little more insidious, in some ways it ends up a little less insidious. It's like, I'm just happy that women still have access to resources out here, you know, in the United States and for the time being. uh you know, just remember that's why the fight for that is important. Especially for men, like men you need to get out there.

We're telling you right now, there's things keeping you alive and they're called no fault divorce and they're called women's rights. Those things are keeping you alive, not us. Like at some point we will have nothing to lose and that's what it's gonna come down to. And the person with the least to lose can afford to do the most drastic shit. Yes, and remember, you gotta go to sleep sometime.

And with that, let's read off our poll results. And as always, you know, we love to leave all of y'all with a recommendation. So we will get to from our last poll. And if you don't know, we do the poll in three different places now. So we have a YouTube poll, we have a Spotify poll, and we have a Patreon poll. So we are... Polling, we're about to become a major polling institution. Like these results will eventually be like studied, uh I think.

So uh our question was, what's the most frustrating part of society's obsession with pushing women into motherhood? And A was the myth that motherhood completes women. Oh, I agree, that's very annoying. um B was the lack of support for moms once the baby arrives. C was the stigma against single slash child-free women and D was the way motherhood is used to fuel labor and profit systems. and we had a clear winner what do you guys think it was?

A. I thinking A or B. or D. It was B. And it won like pretty big on all of them. So the lack of support for moms once the baby arrives. I would say like that one makes sense because it is the most like very practical one. Like imagine you push a baby out and you come home and there's a $8,000 bill waiting for you. Like I would crash the fuck out. Like there's just no way. You know what I mean? Like that's crazy.

thing going around social media of a woman who had a baby in the NICU and it came out to be like a million dollars. And she's like, my million dollar baby. Yeah. And it was just something I on social media. I don't know if we could verify that, don't think it could. Yeah. I don't put it past these greedy ass hospital CEOs to rack that shit up. if you don't pay? Because I just wouldn't pay.

I mean, you wouldn't be able to be, she probably wouldn't be able to get anything in her name or whatever, but. any of my emergency medical bills. I can't advocate for that, I just... Because I didn't choose to have a big fat ass kidney stone clogging up my kidney and taking me out at the ripe young age of 21. Who could have seen that coming? And it's also like... a collection agency ever calls you about that, you can be like, that is protected under HIPAA.

So you shouldn't even have my medical information um or I will call a lawyer and they will usually will get rid of that. Or you can ask them to send you an itemized bill and they usually won't be able to do that because they usually buy the debt in bulk. And so they can only see the like case number and like the amount. but they're also required by law that if you ask, they have to send you like a copy of the bill.

yeah, pro tip, but yeah, medical debt, can't, so if you have like a very large amount of it, you unfortunately can't declare bankruptcy on it, or is that student debt? That might just be. debt. you can claim it, but it's not going to make a difference. Student debt is the one thing you can't like get wiped off your credit or you can't. Education is like, nil, we still can't declare bankruptcy on the suit of loans. That's crazy. And then I...

Okay. not student loans, but medical bills apparently are considered unsecured debt. They should drop off after seven years too if I'm not mistaken. Everything drops off except stool loams. That's the one thing that's, I think it does. Oh, now that I'm Sorry. I about to say like, oh, now that I'm 30, but my credit is like back to, well, maybe I don't know.

make a ridiculous amount of money like hand over foot like to the point where like their medical suppliers are charging like $11 per pencil, know, things like the margins on the all these things are insane. Yeah, I've seen those like nurse TikTok videos where they're like, here's how much our medical supplier charges us for a packet of rubber bands and it's like $28. the same packet of rubber bands you'd buy like for $1.99 at like a Staples. So don't feel bad.

exposing these insurance companies to and how greedy they've gotten because it's so out of control and it's become so bombastic that they've called her in the middle of uh a breast reconstruction surgery that she was doing. Like she was in the middle of it and she had to scrub out to answer a phone call from the insurance company and the insurance company was demanding, what is the medical necessity or what is the happenstance that necessitates this type of surgery?

And she's like, my patient had breast cancer. Like, it's cancer. me to like leave it there? What the fuck? Crazy. said they've been going after her lately for speaking out about that. well they didn't shut down her practice but they stopped covering her practice. So her practice is no longer considered in network with United Health Group. So she's been having to fund this all like grassroots herself. And I think she has like a GoFundMe somewhere too, yes.

list that as our recommendation, but in the meantime, check out the Passport Bros subreddit. There's a lot of really insightful material in there. I recommend sorting by the top of all time. That's like one of my favorite things to do whenever I find a new subreddit. yeah, those uh that'll kind of give you a real insight into what is going on in these sick twisted little minds. Anyways, thank you to all of our listeners for sticking around. If you're still here, we love you.

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