What's up everybody ? Troy Cartwright here . Welcome back to another episode of 10 Year Town . Before we get going , we are very , very close to our subscriber goal on YouTube , so if you can go to our YouTube page and hit subscribe , it would help us out a ton . You can do that at 10YearTowncom . Hope you guys are having a great week , thanks .
Today's guest is Tiara Kennedy . You know Tiara from her feature on the latest Beyonce record and from her own music as well . In this episode we discuss her journey through Nashville , the highs and the lows , how she found some of her favorite collaborators and the advice that she would give to her younger self . I really enjoyed this one .
I know you guys will too . So without further ado , here she is . I'm making an executive decision . We're just going to roll no headphones today because you got a cool hat on .
I know I always make it difficult .
You and Cole Ford are the only people that have not worn the headphones .
I like it .
Yeah .
I've really been into the hat thing lately . It just like it's pretty sick . It just makes it easier in the mornings , you know , not actually having to do my hair .
I feel like I want to do like . I've gone through phases where I'm like being the hat guy .
Yeah , you would like kill a hat .
I feel like I don't know what kind of hat to wear .
Like I feel like you could do like a short brim , like a little like a fedora , maybe , Like a fedora , but then I'm like a fedora guy , but that's cool .
I don't think I want to be a fedora guy . I don't think I'm ready for that yet .
I feel like that's like a , it's a commitment . I feel it .
Like I already feel like I'm getting old oh my gosh .
No , you would pull it off . I feel like hats , just like they make any outfit cooler . I have confidence .
Are we rolling ? Awesome , I feel like . When was the last time I saw you ? It was some award show at the Ryman .
Award show , ACM Honors maybe .
Yeah , that's probably what it was . I couldn't remember if it was that or AI , whatever the there's a lot of award shows .
Oh yeah , I think it was .
ACM Honors , though I think you're right .
What is the writers award ? Is it AIMP Awards ? Yeah , yeah , maybe it was that one , I can't remember .
I've been to like three there , I feel like in the last year . I know yeah so yeah also I didn't realize .
I just played there the other day for a Patsy Cline tribute show , which was really fun , but I'd like I've never really been like backstage . I never have it's like cramp back there .
It's tiny . Yeah , how many dressing rooms are there ?
I mean there's a good bit of dressing rooms . But okay , to be fair , the first lady was there , so you know , they kind of like took over . There was some stuff going on , yeah there was a lot of stuff going on .
Because I just went and did a thing at the Opry for the first time which I'd never been there before and did a thing at the Opry for the first time which I'd never been there before and their backstage is crazy huge .
Yeah , wait , did you make your debut ?
No , I didn't . I just went to meet everybody they gave you a tour yeah yeah , yeah , they do the whole thing .
Yeah .
Which was kind of insane being there . It was so cool yeah . I I was so heavy is not the right word , but it feels you feel very honored to be there .
Yes , it . It's like you feel the history of everyone that's been there yeah , yeah .
And then you know I'm toxic . So I'm like how have I never been , like when ? I was at this label , doing all this stuff , like how did I never do this ? Like what were they doing ?
Literally . I say that all the time . What ? Are you doing .
Yeah so .
But yeah , that's awesome though . Yeah , the Opry's cool . What are you doing ? Yeah , so , but yeah , that's awesome though , but yeah , the Opry's cool . I always say it's like , um , it's like an artist's Disney world you know , it's just like everybody has their doors open .
Everybody's so welcoming and yeah , yeah it's so cool , it's good vibes and it feels very , like you said , historic yes but it also . They have a great way of making you feel very welcome .
It's not stuffy at all . No , you know what I mean . Yeah , it's . It's hard to explain , right Like it's . It's magical . That's the word that I would use , exactly .
So it's pretty cool . Um well , I always start this thing off with the same question , which is how long have you been in town ?
off with the same question okay , which is how long have you been in town ? I've been in town for eight years where from ? I'm ? From Birmingham , alabama , nice , um , and when I moved here my whole family moved up here with me so they really yeah , so , my parents and my two younger sisters . I have an older sister .
She's still um back in Birmingham , but yeah , I brought them all here and they love it yeah .
That's so cool , they're thriving . Did you , did you move here like for were you going to school , was it strictly for music or what was kind of the- .
Definitely for music . Yeah , I wanted to go to Belmont but it's super expensive so I didn't . I got basically a full ride scholarship to University of North Alabama , okay . So I went there for a year and it's pretty close to Nashville so I could like come up here on the weekends to like meet people and , you know , write sometimes .
But after a year I convinced my parents Well , actually the town convinced my parents to move here , because they were kind of like my momager and dadager , so they would be in meetings .
Yeah .
And everyone was like if she wants to be in country music , she has to be here , and so they heard that . Enough to where they were like , okay , we'll move .
They believed you . Yeah , yeah , how did ? How ? Were you kind of on sounds like you were on some people's radar already at that point . So how did ? How did ? Um , I don't know , how did that kind of all start ?
yeah , so when I was in the shul , in muscle shoals um , I was riding a lot with mike mcguire , um of shannon doa , okay , and he introduced me to Laurel Kittleson , who she was at Big Machine at the time and she was like kind of one of the first people I met in town and she was just so great and like introduced me to anybody in the industry , like any
writer , or if there was another publisher that you know she thought I would vibe with and , yeah , she kind of put my foot in the door .
That's so sick so you move up here , I guess . Yeah , bring the whole fam .
Yeah , brought the whole family . The day I moved here . I had a show at the listening room , which was it was really cool for me to like move here and immediately hit the ground running because , like I dreamed of being here for so long and I was like I am gonna work my hardest .
So , yeah , I played a show at the listening room and then kind of like my thing when I first moved here was just like I did like a lot of restaurant gigs . I would play at the row in Midtown , um , and play like in hotel lobbies and I just did that , yeah , for like the first couple of years that's awesome .
Just yeah , pays the bills right yeah um , were you at this point , had you met or were you working with any publishers or anything like that , or what was it kind of a ?
yeah , we like it , we'll see yes , it was exactly that , and and I didn't I didn't really know what to expect moving here . Um well , maybe I did . I did have expectations and they were the wrong expectations . I thought that I was going to like play the bluebird and get discovered .
Totally , because that's the story I heard .
Yes , and then I realized that it's very much so . Not that . And you know , my goal was to sign a publishing deal when I moved here and I felt like it was taking longer than it should Totally wasn't .
I signed a publishing deal about two years into moving here , but I am grateful that it happened when it did and not when I wanted it to , because I so was not ready . Like my songs were not good , they're not good .
It's hard when you're young , too , or when you're getting started .
Yeah .
You believe , your songs are there .
Yeah .
You know , yeah , because you just don't have the depth of knowledge yet Exactly , and it's hard because you're like . You know , I feel like I was like a dog , like straining on a leash or something .
Yeah , Just trying to like let me go . Yeah , and , like I , when I moved to Nashville , that was my first time , one of my first times co-writing I like hadn't had a lot of experience doing that because there's not really that kind of culture in Birmingham .
Yeah , um , and so the only songs I'd written were by myself and , yeah , I thought they were good , but they weren't . And because I went and I got into the room with other writers that were more experienced and have been here for a long time and I learned so much from them and , yeah , definitely those first couple of years my writing got so much better .
Yeah , yeah , you learn fast .
Yeah , you know yeah .
So your first publishing deal . Who was it with ? And how did it change your life oh my gosh .
So um , I signed with uh songs it's songs and daughters big loud and warner um , and sam jervie was at big loud . She's . She's not there anymore . I love sam I love her so much , um we still , we still hang yeah and I still give her hell sometimes to leave me . But yeah . So I met her and we just were doing the thing .
I was like sending her songs and she would send me feedback and I didn't know that Songs and Daughters was even a thought when we were talking . I obviously was a huge fan of Nicole and her writing and she came to one of my listening room shows and in my mind I was like , okay , this is super cool . Maybe I'll get the chance to write with her .
Never in a million years would I think that I would sign a publishing deal with her . I think we , like , went back and forth for it was probably another year it felt like another year , you know back and forth sending her songs .
And then one day she called me and I was at the gym and asked me if I wanted to sign a publishing deal and I was like heck , yeah , this is the best day ever .
That's so sick . Yeah , it's the best call to get .
It's the best because it like . For me it was like the first validation of like okay , you're doing something right , yeah , yeah , you didn't move here for nothing .
Yeah , yeah , and I've talked to a lot of publishers on this podcast and just in general .
And I know a lot of publishers say like getting to offer a writer .
Their first deal is like the coolest thing , yeah , even when I was going through my second round , you know like , had my first deal for five years and then was doing the publisher dance again yeah . It was still like I had a few offers and every time I would get one I would be like are you for real ?
I know it feels like it's the coolest feeling feels like you want me , you like me .
Yeah , I mean , we all want to feel wanted , right , you know ?
Yeah and also I think , like songwriting is such a like you're kind of you're doing it in a silo , you know , and and sometimes like you don't really know if it's good , and I think we all have imposter syndrome , you know , and so like getting offers from people that have been in the business , know what they're doing , like that's definitely like a good stamp of
validation .
Oh , absolutely , yeah , yeah . Um , so once you signed that deal , did it sort of change the the levels of rooms that you were getting into with writers , or was it ? Was it more of the same , or how did that kind of impact your ?
writing career . Yeah , for sure , I definitely felt like I . I felt like I was getting into rooms , I felt like I was honing in on what my sound was and who I wanted to write with .
And yeah , definitely getting into cooler rooms , which is also super intimidating too , like even like having a publishing deal , like there still is that imposter syndrome of like am I actually good enough ? And so you know , I , I remember just like walking into these rooms and like , oh my gosh , I hope that they're not like , oh , this girl's a joke , you know .
But yeah , I think that was the most fun process for me was like getting to be in the room with new writers and figuring out , you know , not necessarily who I like and who I don't like , but like I guess , like who understands my sound , the most you know and like really narrowing down that pool of writers .
Yeah , Finding your , your crew .
I guess and yeah yeah , yeah , it's you .
You start to realize , realize , oh , I'm getting , not just I .
I like to think that every song that I write is pretty good yeah but it's finding the people where I'm consistently getting um if I'm writing for me as the artist yeah the type of songs that I want to do as an artist yes and then on the other side of that is of course like okay , these songs I'm writing with these people are getting cut by other artists .
And that's cool too . So trying to make sure I'm always trying to be strategic , I guess , yeah , which for me , like I've never been the kind of writer that wants to write for other artists . I definitely love writing for myself .
It tortures me .
It's tough . It's tough getting into the brain of another artist and also being an artist myself . So , yeah , I think that's definitely been like an interesting thing to navigate because my sound is so specific .
Yeah .
Um , you know R and B country and um , it's kind of one of those things where , like , you either get it or you don't like you either grew up listening to that kind of music and you just have that in you , Um , and so , yeah , that that was definitely um , and I , you know , I think , still like writing with new people .
That's like you know , something that I'm like trying to navigate .
But also , I think you've , I think you figure out pretty quickly when you start writing the song , whether or not it's going to be for , whether it's going to be for me or for another person , and so I think also , I , you know , try to be in the mindset of , okay , I'm servicing the song If it's not for me , like we're still going to write a good song
today .
Yeah , yeah , yeah . There is this moment in a write where it dawns on me this one's not for me .
This is not .
Yeah , this isn't going that way , but that's okay , I have to immediately adjust . Well , I don't know , it's a slightly different mindset uh-huh it is but I will say 90 plus percent of every cut I've ever gotten . Not on , that's not on me as an artist has not been . Because I was . I was thinking we were going to write for so and so artists .
It was always just it just happened . I think it's for me or I just think this is a great song , you know , and somehow it finds a way .
Yeah , that's so cool too , like when you just randomly it's like , oh , this person wants to cut this song . It's like , wow , okay . I was like , yeah , I've like I've , you know , had that happen a few times and you know , like I said , I'm not specifically writing for other people , so it's always cool when , when that does happen .
Oh , yeah , it's the best . Yeah , um , all right , so got this . You signed this publishing deal . You're doing your thing .
Yep .
Um , so what ? What happens next ? You're doing your thing , so what happens next ? What's the next waypoint on the journey ?
Yeah , so I started . Well , I met my producer , Cameron Bedell .
Love Cam .
We love him . He's also a pain in my side at the same time . He's like my older brother and we wrote this song together . The first song we ever wrote together was called Founded in you , and it was a two-way which , like you know , those can be terrifying sometimes because you don't know if you're going to vibe or not .
And we wrote this song and he sent me the demo . I was like whoa , this is exactly what I've been trying to say as an artist and the exact sound that I was looking for , and so I had to do a little bit of convincing for him to be my producer , because that wasn't his thing . He hadn't dabbled into the producer world yet .
And so , yeah , I finally convinced him and we just we started making music together , put that song out , and then I put an EP together , put that out , and we did all of that independently .
And .
I didn't really have like any you know expectations around it . I just I knew that I had , I had found a thing and , um , I wanted people to hear it and so , um , yeah , that was kind of . That was kind of the next step after I signed my publishing deal .
That's awesome . Yeah , yeah , Um yeah . I remember when all that stuff was was coming out . Um , it's really , it's really cool , it's different .
Yeah , I remember when all that stuff was coming out . It's really cool , it's different . Yeah , you know .
Yeah , it felt like you . Yeah , it felt like something fresh yeah . And we need that , you know .
Yeah , it was . Yeah , it's really fun thinking back to making that music , because there definitely there was no , we just had to create , like there wasn't a lot of opinions around what it should be , which was a lot of cooks in the kitchen . Yes , it was the best , it was the best feeling .
Um and yeah , that that's founded new just like took off , yeah , um it's . And it was like over covet too , um , over over the pandemic . It got like it landed on a hot country and got like over 20 million streams and just it really like catapulted me , um , you know , to a place that I didn't . I didn't think that I was ready yet , but we , we dove in .
Yeah , like record labels started reaching out and I was like , okay , I guess we're doing this yeah , and what was that process like when they started reaching out ? well , it was funny like the first few started to reach out and I was like , okay , this is fun .
I get to like kind of experience , what this is like , but I definitely am not looking to sign a record deal right now . And then more started to reach out and we started to take meetings and it got serious and I was like , okay , this is happening . This is happening .
You know , I had reservations around it because I've been independent for so long and I loved it Like I was thriving . Me and my husband . My husband's my creative director and you know we've always just created content together and kind of , you know , built this together and I didn't want to lose that . You know because I'd heard stories of how record duels go .
It was terrifying .
Yeah .
You know . But also , on the other hand , I was like , well , maybe this is my moment and maybe I should take advantage of it while it's here , yeah , and so , yeah , we started taking the meetings and took a meeting with Bing Machine and Valerie and I it was . It was funny because I like I just I didn't know what to expect . Going into that meeting .
I , you know , I played him a couple of songs and they kept asking for more songs and I was like , at this point , I don't know , I don't even remember that many original songs , I'm going to have to start playing you some covers . Then they offered me a deal on the spot . Wow , and again I was like , okay , I guess we're doing this .
Yeah , that's crazy .
Yeah , it was wild .
That's crazy . Yeah , it was wild , and did you ? Did it go back and forth for a while , or was it ? Was it pretty ? Did it all happen ? Pretty quick , cause sometimes a record deal can take nine months to get through the whole short form to long form .
Yes , yeah , Honestly , it was , it was pretty quick . Yeah , I was expecting it to drag out , because you know , I know that's how contracts go . Um , but yeah , it was , it was pretty quick . Um , so I'm a deal , and um , a few months later we went to radio and then we started that whole ride .
Yeah , boy , it's a ride .
It is a ride .
Yeah , were you doing the radio tour and stuff , or was this still pandemic ?
yeah , so it was . It was like coming , we were coming out of the pandemic and , um , people started to open up and so I actually got to , which I was excited , like I .
I know that radio tour is a lot , um , but I was excited to put in that work and to be able to say that I did it , um , and so , yeah , I think we were on the road for two months maybe , um , on radio tour , and it was also like radio tour during the week and then festivals on the weekend , so I wasn't , I wasn't home that much .
Um , it was , it was a lot , but I , I really even still like I look back , like I I enjoyed it because it was something that I looked forward to being able to experience for a long time .
Um , for those that don't know , can you kind of describe what being on radio tour is like ?
Yes , so it's just basically going around the U ? S and visiting all the country stations and um playing the single and a couple , a couple of other songs .
um , you know , to introduce yourself to the programmers in the hopes that they'll play your song on radio . In the hopes that they'll play your song on radio , yeah , or is it a lot of early morning flights and late nights and dinners that's ?
kind of the perception . Yes , the early mornings actually there weren't too many of them , that wasn't too bad . There was a lot of dinners .
But again , I kind of wanted to have the mindset of like , okay , I know all of these things going into it , I know that I'm probably gonna have to get up super early , you know , probably gonna be eating really bad food and maybe sometimes singing for people that aren't really listening to me .
But it is what it is you know , and I going to make the most out of it . Yeah , so that's what I tried to do .
Part of the ride . Yeah yeah , that's amazing . That's . That's such a great attitude to have . Yeah , I had a . My radio tour experience was all during COVID .
Was it so ? Did you do it on Zoom ?
Yeah , but it was just so .
Oh , that's the worst .
It was so everything you're describing .
Yeah .
Was all the same things that I was prepared for . Yeah . You know , and I've been meeting these program directors over the two years that I was kind of waiting my turn right .
Yeah .
So I had , you know , I would like keep a file , keep a note with like oh , this program director , you know , because it's not like a transactional thing , it's just you're meeting a lot of people and some of the people I really connected with and it's like , oh , this guy , we talked about his son .
Yes , and his son is into this or that or whatever , and just trying to remember .
Yes , it's a lot to remember . You have to write it down .
Yeah , but I enjoyed it , yeah , and I was excited for it , and you know it's nobody's fault , it's just sort of you know , yeah , covid happened .
Yeah , I mean you probably , because , like the , I feel like too , like the latency , and like nobody , like who's going to , who's going to talk , who's not going to talk , you know like it's super weird .
Yeah , super weird , it's just not . It's not quite the same . And there's not you know you're there for 20 minutes on a zoom call and then you know there's not going to be any spontaneous . I really thrive in the okay , we've talked business , now let's hang out yeah , same .
You know I like to connect with people .
Yeah , on a deeper level so yeah it was hard , but yeah you know , the music industry is hard and it'll it'll break your heart , so yeah , part of it , yeah . So , um , all right , so you do this radio tour , do the single , and then you're kind of , I guess , still making music and stuff and yeah's what I was doing before I signed my deal .
But you know , everything with labels is just slower .
Yeah .
It's a lot slower .
Yes .
And so we put Founding U went to radio and I think they pulled it like a few months later .
Yeah .
And then you know kind of went back to the drawing board and we recorded a couple songs to put out . So we did that . And then towards the end of my deal I went back on radio tour again . So I did radio tour twice , with another song .
Yeah .
Yeah , the second time I definitely was like okay , I don't know , I don't know if I can enjoy this as much as the first time . But yeah , we did that again and it was kind of the same situation like pulled it again a few months later .
Yeah , it's hard .
It's tough , it's super tough . You know , I kind of it kind of felt like all of my worst nightmares of having a record deal was coming true . It yeah , it wasn't panning out the way .
Yeah , the way I wanted it to . Yeah , yeah , well , you have this video that I saw that you posted kind of after things didn't work out the way that you wanted them to , and it's so . It's such a compelling piece of content . You know , I mean that's a very I don't know . I don't like the word content .
Yeah , I know , content is king , it's so real .
Yeah , I know , content is king , it's , it's , it's so real .
Yeah .
It's so . I watched it again today , just kind of getting ready for this interview , because I saw it when you posted it and it still hit me .
It still hits me when I go back to watch it . We yeah no go ahead I . No , go ahead , I , I , I .
Towards the end of my deal , I started to get more vulnerable about how I was really feeling about the industry and my place in it , because I kind of did this thing where you know you pretend that everything's okay when you're out in public um , you know , and that got to be really tough . I just couldn't do it anymore .
Um , and so I started posting these videos um , we call them T-Erapees and , um , just kind of share my feelings . You know about what I'm going through , and it felt so good to just tell the truth and to be honest about the fact that I wasn't happy .
Yeah .
And so you know , then , when I got dropped from my record deal , I felt it really important to not just skim over the fact that I got dropped , like I like that's hard , you know it's .
It's really hard , and I didn't want to have to go out in public and explain over and over again that I , you know what happened , explain over and over again that I , you know what happened . And so , um , my husband and I just we just sat down and he put up the camera and we just talked about you know how I was feeling and it was . It was a really .
It really is just like a peek into our conversation , because he is my creative director , so he is in the thick of it with me . He's also my husband , so everything that happens , I'm going home to him either excited about something or crying about something . We just sat down and just had a real conversation about it .
I was scared out of my mind to post that video .
So you know it's good .
Yeah , yeah . But it was also such a huge sigh of relief to just put my feelings out there .
Yeah , how did you feel afterwards ?
I was terrified . I was terrified because I didn't . You know , the point of that video was not to make anyone angry or , you know , to point fingers .
Yeah .
I just wanted people to know what I was feeling , yeah , and so I definitely had . I definitely was a little scared that I didn't want anybody to take offense to that video , because I still love so many of the people at my label , at my former label , and so , yeah , I was scared about that .
But a lot of them were so great and they reached out and we talked and it was great and so I was like , okay , everything's good , it's all good yeah , everything's all good um . You know I've I got my feelings out there .
I said my piece , yeah , um and yeah yeah , it's good , and then you don't have to deal with the yeah yeah , it's . It's such a weird time after you have a change .
Yeah .
Because people are like oh , how's that thing going ? You're like sometimes you just don't want to explain it , so you just say , oh , it's okay .
Yes , and that's what I did , honestly and like towards you know , the past couple of months of my deal , like I was doing a lot of that , you know , and and also it's funny because people would also say like you're killing it right now .
You're doing so much , I see you everywhere and I'm like really because I feel like I'm nowhere like I'm doing nothing , um , and so yeah , it's all it .
Perception is always interesting , yeah so , um , after all that happens , do you know at this point like that you're about to be like featured on like Beyonce record ?
no , let me just walk you through it . Like I get dropped from my record deal and I'm just in the state of what am I going to do now ? Because it's not like I chose to leave and I knew that I was leaving . Like it was a shock , you know . And so I'm like , okay , what do I do now ? Leaving like it was a shock , you know .
And so I'm like , okay , what do I do now ? And I even question , I even ask God , like is this what I'm supposed to be doing ? Am I supposed to be here ? Because this doesn't feel right . And I just kept hearing him say I'm not done with you yet and I didn't know what that meant , but I trusted that he didn't bring me this far to let me down .
Yeah , and so , you know , we started planning to put out music . You know , I was like God doesn't want me to give up , so I guess I'm just going to keep making music . So we started planning that . And then Beyonce announced that she was putting out the Cowboy Carter album . Well , no , she dropped the two singles actually .
Yeah .
And I was like , oh my gosh , my favorite artist ever is here and I'm so excited about this , and so I put out a cover , and that alone , like the cover that I posted , was like my first time having a viral moment .
Oh really .
Yeah , which you know . That's also another thing that I feel , like you know , in the industry , like everyone's pressuring you to go viral . And you're like okay , no one knows how to go viral , so like what do you want me to do ? So that was like it was .
That was a really cool moment for me and you know it felt like it just felt like , you know , a hug from Jesus of like I told you I got you . You know , just that little like viral moment for me was such a sign .
There's a quote that I love . I don't know , I don't remember who said it , but it says opportunity is a strange beast and it frequently appears after a loss .
Yeah .
And that has been true in my life . Yeah so many times , something that I think is the worst thing that's ever happened to me happens . And then , soon after , the best thing that's ever happened to me happens .
And I feel like it's hard to go through those hard seasons , but it makes it so much more special when it does happen , because you know that you went through it to get there , you know , and that's exact , that's exactly how I felt , um , and then I just I just randomly got axed to to be on on this album .
I have no idea how they found me I don't know if they saw the cover , I have no idea , but I was it . I still can't believe that it happened to this day ?
Yeah , because I I was so used to , you know , sitting at home and scrolling through Instagram and seeing other people get opportunities that I wanted so badly for myself , and I was so used to that feeling and having to , like , therapize myself you know through that .
And so now , to like actually be the one getting to experience the cool thing , to like actually be the one getting to experience the cool thing . It's such a strange feeling for me , like I'm so not used to it , um , but I'm , I'm just , I'm soaking in every moment .
Um , it's , it's crazy to me that this happened , like yeah you know , right after getting like the worst thing that could happen as an artist , and now , like you said , the best thing that could happen as an artist , and now , like you said , the best thing that could ever happen .
Yeah , are you taking it in ? Are you feeling good ?
I am I am , and I , you know , I used to be so bad at celebrating moments because I'm always on to the next thing , like , okay , this happened . Now I got to do the work to get to the next thing , you know , yeah , but , man , like the past two and a half years , they were so hard , they were so hard and I was the most oppressed I've ever been .
And so now to be on the complete opposite side of that , I am soaking in every single moment and every day . Yeah , yeah , just sitting in it . I love it . It's so cool .
Such a such a amazing record and yeah like , yeah , it's very , it's very cool to be a part of .
I can't even imagine . It's so cool , I mean it's , it's wild to think about . Like I also feel like something like this has not been done on such a massive scale .
Like she is , to me , the biggest artist in the world and I'm such a newbie like I'm I'm , you know , yes , I've been in town for for eight years but like she has so many years on this industry , you know , and so for her to see an artist like me , it's , it's just wild , yeah , it's wild it's uh , almost impossible to describe yes , exactly , exactly yeah ,
wow , that's , that's so , that's so great yeah amazing story .
Um well , what's uh ? What's next ?
what's next ? Yeah um well , I have a song called I Ain't a Cowgirl that we put out . It's the first independent release , yeah , and we are putting out a song every five weeks until the album , so we're cranking it out .
You know , I kind of was like for so long I felt like I wasn't putting out music , and so now to have complete control of you know what I put out and what it looks like , we are just like we're loving it .
Oh yeah , yeah , it's such a great feeling .
And you know it's such a great feeling and you know , especially like creating with my husband . He's just , he's so great and like I tell him all the time like I'm honored to be able to work with you because he just comes up with this vision , you know , for content , for videos , and I just show up and I'm like , okay , I'll do my thing .
And you know it's such a partnership , it's beautiful .
Yeah , we have a lot of fun and I feel like I've grown so much as a human and as an artist and really honed in on what my sound is , what my brand is , and so to put out my first album and to be I'm so proud of the music and the way everything looks and and yeah , like it's it's a grind , Like the independent life is a grind , but I love it .
I love it so much . I love having my hand in everything .
Yeah , yeah , getting to steer the ship . Yes , yeah , that's amazing . Well , thank you so much for being here . Thank you , I appreciate it . Thanks for telling , telling your story . It's an amazing story , thank you , and that's it . Episode of 10 year town . If you're still listening , you must've liked it .
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