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trilogy. Uh in j Park two. Yes, a movie that I could have sworn I saw before, but now I don't think I saw a movie that has so many nerd people in it that Frank was constantly like, wait, they're in this duke. I didn't recognize anyone except that lady that tries to take the Halla thingy, and she played Mary Anne, the main ad on True Blood as a waiting for the true Blood to come through. The true Blood is always here with us, okay, never worry, true Blood
is here. Okay, But I don't what was that IM trying to say. I was trying to say Suki or Suki like Bill is played by a British guy who is doing a Southern accent. Yeah, Bill Compton. Bill, that was a terrible Southern accent. I'm so sorry, please forgive me so yeah. But then I kept saying Snookie, which, oh my god, that has someone has to have done that. I need to know if anyone knows of a true blood Jersey Shore crossover. I must watch it immediately.
Please email us at Real teen Girls Talk at gmail dot com. I need this in my life. This is not happened. I need someone to please do that. I will get on fanfiction dote net see what I can find. Okay, so I want like a live action like I want to skit. That's only half joking. They're like, wouldn't this be dumb? But actually it would be really cool. I mean I think how many vampires do you think the situation would need to get beat up by? Before he
realized he could not take vampires? Okay, when that show started, the blood alcohol level of the situation, like between the alcohol and the pills he was on, no vampires would be interested in him. Honestly, he's squeaky clean. Now, good for him. He has I think over five years sober. But he just I can't imagine a vampire being like, yes, I didn't mean like to drink. I meant like you think he beats them
up? Yeah? Like how many do you think he would be? He would want to fight and like how easily do you think he'd be defeated? This is no shade to the sober situation, but this situation was known for starting fights, and basically his mouth was writing checks his ass could not cash, like everybody else, would end up in a fistfight and they'd be like, how did that happen? It was like, all right, why can't I remember? His name was running his mouth, Mike was running his mouth,
and we ended up in fisticuffs. And meanwhile, Mike's on the side like still talking massive amounts shit, and they're like, but you did not fight. So it says a I want to tell these words that are coming out of my mouth are I thought? You realize how insane this is. There is no Jersey Shore fan fiction that is insane and immediately makes me think I need to start writing Jersey Shore fan fiction. And I can't. I can't wait to wait. I mean, obviously, I'm immediately it's going to
be true blood. I'm going to are you sure it's not listed under Jersey Shore family Vacation? So I did. I went on both AO three and fanfiction dot net. There's no Jersey Shore fan fiction that is nuts. I mean, Frank, could this be my calling? Is this my niche? I mean, yeah, I would say that I would say, I see this challenge ahead of me, and I can't wait to get an email from I T at work being like, why are you spending so much time writing
fan fiction about the Jersey Shore? And then they're like, but JK, it's so good. We've been reading, we've been reviewing. Do you need a beta reader and to give you like thumbs up? How do people express their love for fans fiction kudos on A three? Okay? Do you think I would get a lot of kudos for this? I mean, I'm sure there's some part of it, some part of A three that is desperately missing
Jersey Shore. Okay? Cool? So I think. I know we haven't talked about the Hunger Games at all, and I'm not sure how we got here, but I think that, oh, because we were talking about True Blood, so of course we're talking about Jersey Shore. I think my first Jersey Shore fanfic will be them in the Hunger Games. I mean, the underdog. I think I have to make Paully win. If Polly is a
fan favorite, he's fairly innocuous. There will be a point where Pauli has to choose between like Vinnie and he's not really close to anyone else Vinnie and I don't know his mom. Okay, I like, I can't. I know they're all friends quote unquote, but like, I can't imagine where it would be sort of a contentious choice. So I'll think more on this. Ask me next week. Where I am on my on my fan fic journey. Okay, I mean, you know I'm as an expert who wrote wrote
self inserted digitmon fan fiction. I mean, Frank, if I'm going to go to anyone for advice on my fan fiction, it's you, like what, I'm an idiot? Of course I'm going to go to you. Did I did go to a fan fiction Oh sorry, Frank, just one second. I gotta I need to hear this story, but I gotta let the plumber in. So I went to a fan fiction seminar at Odicon the one
year we went huh, and it immediately fell to shipping wars. So I'm kind of wondering if that's what you're gonna end up with, like that people are shipping characters or I mean these are real life people from shows. I guess. Like That's my other question is, since it's reality show fanfic, is are is there like a morality base in there. That is a you know what I'm gonna have Okay, short answer, yes, long answer.
It would have to be an Anestra credit where I'd have to talk about it because real person fan fiction is a real thing and it is widely debated amongst fans if it's cool or not. There is a multitude of Taylor Swift fan fiction. Okay, So what I'm gonna say about the Jersey shortcast in general is that I think that any of them would be shocked to know that fan
fiction exists. I think it would immediately be dismissed as nerd shit. And I'm not particularly worried about them having like extra time to go and browse. And you know, see if they have fanfic written about them. Yo, Paullie, come read this hurt comfort fix someone wrote about us. What does that mean? Her comfort is like one character is hurt another characters giving them comfort? Oh my god, like that forrest gum fan pick. I don't
want to talk about that fan fiction. I don't want to explain it. I don't want to think about that. Lieutenant Dan was so sad, Sizzy. Do you remember how poorly written and distasteful that fan fistion was not I think it was a joke. I don't think it was written sincerely. That would be nuts. Yeah, but it's still offensive. Yeah it was. It was incredibly offensive. Yes, what I switched to reading the plot line
of the Flick of Movies. Yes, but okay, I do more to blame that fan fiction for because I started reading the Flick of movie plot lines and that let us in April. April a thing that happened like five to six years ago, and we can't let go. We just can't. We were like, it was that bad. A fan of the show that's also my friend has been frank, wouldn't you say every fan of the show is also our friend? Yes, or an acquainted They don't want to get parasocial
about this. Okay, that actually makes us sound like we're a lot more popular than we are. But sure, proceed. Yes, everybody's our friend, you know, every fan of our show is our friend. But like they keep asking for more in April, and I'm like, no, I can't. I mean, the roughly skinny million horse movies have probably been made since we did it, what five years ago? You know what? I would go for a Hallmark April or Hallmark month of movies, because I'm sure
those are terrible. I'd rather watch horse movies. That's fair, Okay, But yeah, so we open. I have a question before we get this is Hunger Games related? Whiz? So this was CGI Philip Seymour Hoffmann. Yeah, I felt like it was much more obvious on the big screen than it was in this one. Well, they probably also had time to like fix it, basically, because there have been movies where like they get sent
out and feel like, we'll fix, We'll fix the CG. I want to go to streaming, okay, because that would make sense because I remember seeing that. I guess I did see this one in the theater. I feel like it just slid off my brain because I didn't remember any of the stuff that happened, and I think the stuff I did remember I only remembered from the book. But I don't remember it looking as bad. I feel like when I originally saw it, he had more speaking lines, and in
this they relegated him more just to like background stuff. Does that seem right? Yeah? Well, like we're not gonna hang out in District thirteen all that much like we you know, because this movie is about overthrowing the capitol in full. But we start there, and that's where I'll start a summary. We start there with Catness getting the neck brace off of her off of her throat, and the bruises are terrible on her and she uh is barely
able to talk. They want her to fill more proposts and Catinus is still only concerned with Peta. She's like, what's happening with Peta? And then we're gonna try something new today, And the insane idea they're trying today is they're like, we're gonna send somebody in he knows. And then I completely forgot this part. I'm like, oh, I guess, Gail, that's kind of weird or like Catness's mom. No, they're sending Prim in to talk to Peta. It's a very strange decision. It's a very strange decision.
And hey, guys, remember what what like the one thing you're mocking Jay is concerned with is keeping her sister alive. Maybe don't do that. It's similarly to the last one. They play really fast and loose with Catnus's life with Prim's life. Yeah, Prim goes in there. Peta is just like your sister's a mut she's here to kill us all like she's a tooled capital and prim Is just like, okay, I'm going to bounce by. Yeah. Prim Is like this got scary real fast. This got scary real
fast. By the way, Yeah, alright, thirteen at this point still a baby, still a small child. I know. That's like full time employed. Yeah, oh thise thirteen. You got to earn your reels for real, like they when we see the cat later in the movie, I was like, how did the cat make it out of thirteen? You know, I mean, that's exactly what I was thinking. How did the cats? Because the cat not only like because Cattness sees it, swamp potator sees
it because we know Catness are swamp potators. And she's like she's like she starts yelling at it, and I'm like, but wait, didn't you bring it here? Because did like yeah, who else did? It's not like President Coin did. She's done. So catt this is mom like like, it's like, all right, I'm here. Because Kennes's mom goes to like work at District two or something like healing people because she's you know, like
I'm gonna just throw myself at the work or Kale. Yeah, so like you know, what I my head canon is now is that there was like one hob a craft like from thirteen. It like him swooping over District twelve, which does anybody still live there? That it was rased to the ground, just like I know I thought about that too, where it just means that Peta and Catness are the only ones there? Are they doing everything? Yeah, and just like some it just like puts the cat out and just
like you know, he goes trotting away and movies take off again. Like it's so confounding how the cat ended up there, And I get that the whole use reason for the cat is drama. So yeah, there is no District twelve. There's just Catness and Peta there, I guess, Like, I mean, this is us really skipping to the end. But the other part is when we see Catness and Peta with their children, and reminded me of how the Fifty Shades of Gray movies end, and they ended, you
know, like ten years after Hunger Games. But the funny part about the way the Fifty Shades a Gray movie end for some reason, I don't think that they use like a human baby. I'm pretty sure they use a CGI baby, and it's so weird because it is her. It's anastagia saying like, oh, you know, someday when Christian gives in and puts a baby in me, it'll look like this. But I'm like, it's her fantasy. You can just make the baby look like whatever. You didn't need to
like SEEGI a weird baby. The only reason I've seen this is because when I worked at the theater, it was in the theater for eight thousand years, so we'd be waiting to clean after the movie got out and I would see this bizarre CGI baby every time. Unless do you think that fifty sheetes of grey is like, well, if Twilight's gonna have a CGI baby,
we need to have a CGI baby. Yes, And speaking with you, that's what I was thinking of. I couldnot remember what movie it was, but I was like, oh boy, I can't wait to see the Horrifying baby and Breaking Darn part one and that baby is not horrifying and streaming because they fixed it after the fact. They know. Yeah, So I think that's what they did with the phil Seymour Hoffman CGI where they're just like, oh boy, obsessed with the porcelain renesssume Doll. Here's the other part.
The reason he needs to see Gi the Twilight Baby is because it ages like a year for every month. There is no reason the Fifty Shades of Gray baby needs to be CGI. My favorite thing about like my favorite thing is I heard that like Dakota Johnson and whoever the guy who played Jamie Kennedy experiment. Okay, Jamie's something or other, but I can't remember his last name, but I choose to remember it as Jamie Kennedy. Whoever that was Jamie
Dooran does dyll no dill? How familiar are you with the Fifty Shades of Gray? Do you love that CGI baby? He said he only loves that scene where she fantasizes about what their family life is like because the CGI baby gives him nightmare. Okay, so what I was gonna say was, like, I've heard those two hate each other. They really don't like each other at all. I see. The other part is, you know, like
they were put in a very awkward situation. Well, I was just thinking how fun would be if, like they had the grease, they never acted in the same place. They just constantly Oh my god, they're both acting against Andy Serkis. Well, no, no, no, What I'm getting at is like the editor was just like fuck it, and just like they're constantly like switching spots in like a flash of a second, So like, you know what, this would be so good? Why are more movies like
this? Like you know, he's doing that dumb thing where he like pushes like what if her name is ho Nostagia, who cares up against wall and like she like she saw all these like three feet to the left and he's just kissing on Andys wearing a green screen suit. Or they don't even spring to use Andy Cirkis. They just use the tennis ball on a stick, and the director is solely in it, so he's like more passionate. Please can we take that again? Please French the tennis ball? How are we
going to fix this in post? If you do not look madly in love with that tennis ball? Two hundred takes and that's the best we got. Amazing, Or for some reason they let the actors improv and then in order to push back to kissing further and further, they orchestrate a game of like seven minutes in heaven, there's a spin in the bottle scene that makes no
sense because it's only two people. Okay, no, got I haven't even better one like, yeah, what's what's the guy's name in this the yeah, Christian Gray Christian Cray is like, no, nostagia, I have a new method for us to make love. And he like like he like opens up those doors again and he just shows her a table full of craft supplies
and socks. He's like, we'll make love through these soft puppets, and just like I would be very into that twist, but if you he has to be dead serious about it and that like it's all the same light. And if he sees like her lips moving, he's like, I can see your lips moving, Like they're both both the puppets are poorly made. And I know I don't look at either of those characters and think, oh, they definitely are like good at arts and crafts. Yeah, what kills me
is that, like I don't know, it doesn't matter. So what kills me about this scenario is never never mind, I'm just taking over. I'm just thinking about how Dakota Johnson is going to be Madam Web and a new Sony Spider Man's Spider Man property. What is a Madam Web? Madam Web, I here, let me. She's like Spider Man's magic advisor. Basically, he'll only throw you a picture of her. Spider Man has magic. Yeah, it's been a controversy amongst the writers and editors that like, why
does Spider Man need to be magic? He's always been science based. I mean it is a really weird move to make him magic. Yeah, Like there's like, oh, it was destiny that Spider is gonna bite you here, it's going up in the chat of the Zoom. Thank you going to look at it. She looks like a combination of John Green Goblin. I mean, you're not wrong. So this is the Metal Web from the cartoon. But like she just has precognition powers. And there's going to be three
different Spider Women. Okay, Sydney Sweeney is playing one. Okay, she's playing Julia Carpenter not now, I will donate to you later Wikipedia. Then there's Aranya and okay, there's just two Spider women. So Leicester Connor make it sound like there's so many. Well it's two people in the same movie called Spider Woman. Oh well, that is a lot that's that's an embarrassment of spider people. And there's another there is another Spider woman named Silk.
Just have one of them be called Silk. But yeah, I mean that would make it way less confusing. Yeah, it's so confounding if it's just like they just threw it in like just a rackney. That was another Spider woman at a rackney. But yeah, so it like, what's the trailer? It looks bonkers, and as bonkers is Craven the Hunter. So wait, who's Craving the Hunter. Craven the Hunter is a guy who was hunting
Spider Man like he was a big game sport. And now there's a movie played where he's played by the guy from who was Quicksilver in the mcu oh from the American Heart Stories. Yes, oh, I had a teen girls talk moment last night. I went to see Aaron Taylor Johnson. Oh that's totally not who I was thinking of. I was singing of the other guy, the blonde guy who plays Quicksilver in the X Men movies. Yeah, that's Quicksilver, right, yes, he plays well, yes, all right,
once again in the chat, here's Craving the Hunter. Okay, definitely by Freddie Merkery, our story blonde guy Evan Peters. Evan Peters is the one I was thinking of. Ye. So last night I was at Here We Are And, which was apparently the last musical that Stephen Sodheim did before he passed away and h It was at the Shed in New York, and I was drinking cappuccino waiting for the doorstopen. I looked over it and I
was like, holy shit, that's even Hawk. And I look at the bar three feet from me and I was like, Okay, I'm not gonna be a fucking nerd and be like, oh cool, you're eating Hawk whatever. And so I'm trying not to like look too much or anything, because he was with like a group of people and I was trying to be respectful. So I go inside and I'm getting ex seeded, and the woman next to me was like, oh my god, do you know who Maya Hawk is? And I was like, yeah, her dad's here, and she's
like, Maya Hawk is right there. She's from that Netflix movie where they kill people. And I was like, oh shit, I've seen that, but I cannot remember name of it. And then like maybe a minute later, she turns to me and she goes Do Revenge and I was like, yes, I have seen that where they're at the private school, and all I could keep thinking I was like, I am shocked, this is shocking
news. One of the best lines ever in a movie. And ok ahead, so again, I'll finish your story, then I'll I have notes. So then she tells me that her friend worked on the movie on Do Revenge, and they had a set of bowling pins they were throwing out, so her friend, her friend worked in makeup, and her friend took one and gave Winter and we were just like, this is crazy that they're there. And then at the end of the play, Bobby Cannavale was one of the
stars. Ethan Hawk was giving him double thumbs up during the standing ovation, which I thought was very cute bro supporting bros. Okay, so a few notes. One, did you give Evan Hawk my phone number with and say give this to Uma? No, that would be I think rude, I think considered drud. Sorry, Frank, what is the point? Wait? Was she in the war? The war against Grandpa Uma Thurman? Yeah, okay, you figure that out. We really need to stop talking about Yeah,
she was totally in it well married to Rob Riggle. They have an unhappy marriage. Oh. I was like, wait what she broke up with you? Even hawk? I mean Frank they got divorced like ages ago. Oh oh, I thought they were still in the work. As Grandpa. Rob Riggles's character sees Robert Dediro's character's penis like multiple times towards the end of the movie. Is he just like, come on dad? Did they both
screamed? Oh? Robert Jadiro falls out of a window to a bunch Okay, just after a few after a few time, topically, niar to it. That's what I think anyway, Okay, I mean he apparently is horrified. Yeah, I don't understand. It's just a penis who cares? So okay, so where is that the point, like like two through the movie, apparently like a half hour into the episode, I mean, okay, Well, I mean, there'sn't a lot of this movie. Honestly, there's
a This is also like the most action cut. It's a really hard movie to talk about, I think, especially because of what's been going on lately. I think that civilian casualties and like war crimes are not exactly the fodder that teen girl talk is built on. Yeah. I mean, honestly, you're right, like, oh, okay, I'm just like, overall, I think it's a really good movie. Yes, I on rewatch. I thought that these were a lot better done than I did when I originally saw
them. Yeah, I think I was coming at that with the bias of having just read the books. Well. I think also at that point we were like that this was the height of the like the teen dystopian future thing there was, you know, like Hollywood did what Hollywood always does and produce like a crap ton of them. You're like, yes, I get it, Hollywood dystopium of teens, and I don't care. You know, I can only see people running through great empty buildings for so many times, you
know. I mean, and like the the different set pieces in this movie were so interesting, you know, because almost every district now is looks like twelve. Like there's a point where they go into District two and when Catnus meets the rebels, they give her the three finger. I guess would that be like a salute or I call it a salute? Yeah, And I really am moved every time that happens, Like just that that sign of solidarity is so it really is so moving, and this is I had forgotten about
what President Coin does, and now I remember why Frank hated Gail. I remember in the book. I feel like, because so President Coin obviously is interested in taking President Snow's place, like she is positioning herself to be the obvious and clear not predecessor, uh successor to President Snow. Marshela Ali's character is what's his character's name? Fox? Lieutenant Boggs's the captain. Lieutenant is
leading this exploratory mission they're following. The rebels are supposed to be filming propaganda movies, but the Capital has placed a number of different like little bombs and things. Uh what was the word they used for them. They're called pods. And he's a captain because Lieutenant Jackson is under him. And Lieutenant Jackson is played by Michelle Forbes, who I kept to hearing her voice and I'm like, why does she sound so familiar? And I was like, I
looked her up. I was like, oh my god, she played that abject piece of shit Helen Kane on Bounstock Galactica. Wait, is she the one that was also in True Blood? I think so? Yes, Okay, she's the one who's like give me the hollow. Yes, okay, yeah, that's Marianne from True Blood. Also Gwendow and Christie. I completely forgot she was in here. Like she's the leader of district too, like
Sanding, they're all like six or five feet of her. I'm just like, oh, glorious here wait, she's the one from uh Wednesday, Yes, oh okay, yeah, and she's kicking all the ass on Game of Thrones is bringing up tar mm hmm. But I love I love Glenn to Christie. I wish she had more to do in the sequel trilogy. And so just getting knocked down a hole, that's like I if that was my characters, I'd be like, come on, guys, I'm fall in a hole. That's it. Yeah. So yes, they're they're called pods,
and they just they're just full of unpleasantness for sure. For sure. So the thing is like, I don't really want to talk about, you know, this city based warfare because like I do agree with you, it's over our heads and beyond our paychecks, you know, But I do I want to talk about the personal cost this final push has on everyone, because I think that's where the real interesting stuff is not like you know, the the
fighting and whatnot. I think that's that's far less interesting than where everybody kind of ends up and what they're going through. M because I think you were starting to say about Bogs, is you know, at a certain point, Gale and Catinus or like, we need to sneak away so I can kill
Snow myself and Bogs and like Bogs reveals I know what you're doing. Don't trust coin like Bogs has seen I guess they're writing on the wall and nos coin is just going to be terrible a Snow and that coin does not care about the people or what's happening or any of it. Yeah, So he gives her the hollow and Catin is like, oh, I had a secret mission to go kill to kill Snow, and Jackson's like all right, yeah,
that sounds fine. Later we find out Jackson is just like that's some horseshit and we all knew it. Yeah, And what I do like that where it's basically like, yeah, no, we're not idiot's. Catinus like, yeah, you know, I forget one of the books, all right, but like if you know, I feel like kat is like, yeah, totally pull one over the wall overherever his eyes like she's just let her have this, yeh. Canvas is not dumb, Like I don't want to
make like sound like I'm making it silent. Catinus is dumb. Catinus is just has a very specific set of skills that includes like put her on the wilderness. She will keep you and everyone a lot. But she is not
one for subterfugion. She's one from showing people against the walls and being like, I will kick your ass right here, right now, mm hmm when you tell me you like me. And you know, she is very upset about Peta as well, because he, you know, it's having a lot of trouble, uh knowing what's real and what's not, and obviously has experienced some incredibly severe trauma and it's really affecting him in like in his day to day because he, you know, instinctually he feels like he should be scared
of catnus, that catnus is dangerous, but there's this nagging part of him that's like it, why do I believe this? Suddenly? Because he's starting to come out of the brainwashing and the conditioning. Yeah, and like he
he fluctuates between. So there is honestly what I call a snow White moment in this movie where Catnus like he's freaking out and Catinus kiss him and suddenly the problems are gone, Like he's no longer attacking people, he's no longer falling apart as much, like not as much, but he's not becoming paralyzed as he was before, you know. Uh. And at a certain point, Gail's like, I'll kill you myself. I was like, you were just looking for an excuse, weren't you, Gail. And we also catch
Gail inventing this civilian trap stage explosion thing and wow, it's horrific. So basically he's like, it's just like Gail is full on in support of whatever terrible tactic. Snow is about the fact that the last time we see him really he's wearing it's still wearing a uniform and stands at attention, just I
feel shows just how far into Coin's pocket he is. M h. I mean, the really terrible part is when President Snow basically tells kat And is like, look, I'm evil, but the people you're working with are beyond
the pale. Yeah, there's a there's actually there's actually a kind of funny bit in that in the Batman comics where the Joker meets this guy named Tobias Whale, who's one of those like and Ron's scammer guys, and the joke, I mean this is like he's he Joker meets him in the Showers of Arkham, and the Jokers just like, hey, buddy, I'm just throwing this out there. I have absolutely never respect for you. I kill people. I'm a pretty bad guy. I never went after a little old ladies.
He's retirement funds or kids college funds, so you know, I you know, fuck you basically. Yes. Snow actually reminds me of this or three at the end of the Animals books where he's just kind of defeated. He's like, yeah, I was just gonna give in. Because there's this bit at the in the last Animals book where they're storming the the main mothership of the Years and they come across a yeark pool which has every year on Earth in it and some and Ats is like, yeah, he says,
Prince Jake, I can drain the pool into space. And Jake like he's like, there's over like a billion years in this pool and Jake says, drained them. They knew what. They came here on their own accord. WHOA. Yeah. There's a point later in the book where Viscer three is put on trial for war crimes and Vier three is lawyer while Jake's on the stand versus Vase lawyers, like, if you're calling my client a war criminal, he's also a war criminal. Yeah, it's the animals. Books are
so intense that fourteen year old is a war criminal. Like I look at it, and I'm like, but he's not wrong. Well, yeah, that's that Jake thinks to himself. He's like, I just did that a vengeance. There was no strategy in that move. I just did that. Like he feels terrible about it for like the rest of his life. And like he gets to Visit three, and Viser three is their main threat, like because he has an antelite body so he can morph like they can't.
And he's collected aliens all over the world with like one thing is that they're they're killing capability. But they get to like the bridge, and Viser three is just looking at his you know friends out in space. He's like, yeah, whatever, man, I give up. I'm done, Like I just saw almost my entire race wiped out. I'm done here, so and that's kind of where Snow is right now. Snow is just like I was
getting right or just surrender. They killed everyone that's on you. And that leads us to the stage execution of Snow by Catnus because Coin wants to have a capital children only Hunger Games, which was so nuts. Yeah, and you know if Snow, if Coin came into power, that would not end
there. It would just keep happening. I mean, it's this moral relativism that we saw in the Ballad of Songbirds and Snakes, where uh, Snow was always sort of like moving the line and going over it, and it you know, in the most basic sense, it's an absolute power corrupts absolutely and Coin is power hungry and they who is it that tells Catness that her dying would be in service of Coin getting elected, and Coyinn sees her as a challenge her team, Like I think if it's Bogs or Jackson, I
think it's Bogs. Like somebody says, like, if you die, it's better for everyone, Yeah, because you're going to come back, You're gonna have a lot of say and whoever you back, that person will definitely become the president. Yeah, and Coyn doesn't really want to take her chances because Coyn didn't want to deal with her in the first place, and Quyn wanted to rescue Peeda in not Cannus. Yeah, there's actually there's actually a bit
kind of like this or kind of against this. In Baosarclatica, in the very first episode, Commander of Dama gives this speech and he is talking about like, we followed the Sylons for our survival, but at no point did we ever wonder did we deserve to survive? Why do we get to live while they don't? And he points out it's not about just surviving. You have to earn the right to survive through your actions, and Coin does not
allow that. Like for for the districts, I think the other the other districts, you know, we or the other the next president Pray Laura I think her name is, does that. But she's like, we're not having a hunger games. That's done. That's no longer a thing that's happening. We're gonna free elections. So and so, when Catus has been staying in the palace and when she goes out to the greenhouse and uh there are guards outside who are like, uh, no, you can't go in there,
and Taylor says any she is, uh, I don't know. She didn't say welcome, but basically that anything in there is her property too. So they let her in and Snow is there in among his genetically engineered roses, and he seems just delighted to see her. He's clearly dying. They have sort of planted this when his assistant, like his right hand, comes and tells him that Catenus in her team didn't perish in one of the many explosions. They're actually in the sewers, and that's when we get the whole scene
with the sewers. So now we see him again and he looks worse, and Catness confronts him, and this is where he tells her the bad news of the people she's working with and that you know, Coin's going to move in. So then when they have the sort of it's not a hearing like the in the public square, they're going to have the execution of Snow, and Cattiness says that she wants to be the one to do it, and
President Coin, since of course you know I would expect no less. So Coin gives this flowery speech and then Catness aims her arrow at Snow, who seems so chill for being prepared to die. And then Catness shoots Coin. And I really like this choice by Donald Sutherland to just break out like cackle laughing, and he has blood on his teeth, and then the crowd.
At first I thought the crowd was upset about President Coin, but it's actually just that President Snow hasn't been killed, so then they tear him apart with their bare hands. See that's why I would be okay with taking the bow and arrow, because Bolaro seems a lot quicker than that. Yeah. The thing is with this shot is I think it would have been a way more interesting shot if they did they she shoots Coin and we see coins start to
fall. I think it would have been way more interesting. They never did a close up just to kind of show, just like I know, the smallness of her influence are just like she suddenly was this tiring figure and now she's much smaller in death and once her power is gone from her, So yeah, she Catinus also tries to swallow her night lock berry or nightlock pill which were suicide pills given to the Catinus's team, and Peter stops her and they drag her away, and I'm sure there's a part of her it's like,
well, they're gonna kill me anyway, and now she's just gonna be more public. Yeah, but she just gets shipped home. And I want to talk about e Fie. Effie continues to break my heart in these in this, in Catching Fire, in this movie. In the last movie, she was just kind of annoyed constantly, which I thought was really funny.
Yeah, but you know, Effie is her gets her ready. She's like, you're looking beautiful as always, one last successory and like gives her her boat, her arrows, and she's like now for this, And like, I really like Effie continues to wear the trappings of the Capitol. She's back
in her wigs and her dresses, but like it's much more muted. She's wearing mostly just like grays and whites now m and and she always looks like she's not wearing the fake lashes and like doing all that stuff with her eyebrows. Yeah, and like I feel like she's just understands now the weight that these you know, children are under and she's like, I don't want to send this child out to like go shoot a man, Like I know what
that'll do to her. It'll be bad. Yeah. No. And then when the last time we see her, she she goes to she's seeing them off on the train, seeing Hamidge and Cattiness off on the train back to District twelve. So I guess Hamage is there too, somewhere. But I think we can just assume people eventually return to District twelve and rebuild her.
Yes, so we won't see them, thought, well, I mean we didn't, you know anyway, So she sees I feel what she says exactly to Catenus but just like, oh now you get to have the life of a victor and like basically try and find your happiness. And she goes off, and you know, she says goodbye to Hamidge to and ask him to look after her, and like she lets a few tears fall. And I really think that's because she doesn't think she'll ever see Cattinus again, not for
like Cateness not wanting to return to the capitol. But I think she thinks cat This will just let herself waste away, you know, And you know, like the likelihood of them crossing paths again is very small. We get that letter that was written from Plutarch and read by Hamage where he talks about having to distance himself from catness and that if there was another way that he could have accomplished, but they accomplished without sort of sacrificing catness, he would
have but he really doesn't know what that would have been. Yeah, and I don't I'd rather I don't really want to talk about Frien's death. It happens in front of Catnus and that's all I really want to bring off about it. And she, you know, we were talking about it before that. She encounters the cat whose name I can't remember, but it doesn't really doesn't really matter, and she just starts screaming at it. And this cat
is the kit is huge. This cat is huge. It's so so chill because she just she's throwing items at this cat and just because us to sit there and hits at her, she picks it up as she's c even his frank it's just looking around. Oh yeah, no, I think if I move too quick around my cat. He's like this cat she's smashing coffee mugs around it, and it looks like, what's going on in the next zip code if I dropped a coffee mug in the same room as him, not
threw a coffee mug at him. Yeah, So she picks him up because she keeps telling him Prim's not here, you need to go. Basically, she's like, get out of here. And the Cat's like, what, I'm just a baby, just a giant baby. He's like, I'm just a dumb baby. I have lived everyone. Basically things are still going great
in Cat's life. Yeah, so I just want to like, but we also get to see her hunting still, and we have this shot of her looking out over the fields and there's no more fences and whatnot, and the you know, considering how muted the original the first movie was like this less the less moments of this film end in sunlight, and I think that's such a smart choice because like she is like out there at the dawn and she's looking out, you know, out over her land that she fought for.
She shoots a turkey and is taking it home. And then as she comes home, she sees Peta planting something in their in their shared courtyard. And I might not be able to get through this without crying or getting choked up. It's Primrose. Yeah, and you know his thought was, oh, now, like she can have Primrose near her again, and like Peter is so sweet, like he's such a good one. She is the right choice.
The fact that they ever tried to posit this as if it was a love triangle, Like there's a point in this movie where Gale's like, well, I guess natural selection will decide who cat this is gonna be with, Like, no, it's it was self selection because you're a monster and guilty of war crimes. Much like Twilight, much like Twilight Eclipse, like there is a conversation between two men over a woman over which one she's going to choose, except unlike in Twilight, nobody falls in love with a baby.
Yeah, yes, never forget Frank. So they end up having two kids. I don't know if they are given names, and I honestly don't want to bother looking them up. I think the kids' names are Plutarch and Coin. You're named after the two most implicitous people I've ever known. Pu Tark Coin You're named I'm trying to remember that's from Harry Potter, right, Yes, Alvis Potter, You're named it to two of the bravest men. I love that that he came around completely on Severest Snape a man who hated him
because he was hot for his mom. This man who verbally abused me constantly. Uh, I know for Harry Potter was like this down trodden child, and sever a Snape was like, I'm a professor who can't get over the fact that I was into your mom, like fifty years ago. Yeah, remember how weirdo? Like, get over it, dude. If you asked me the name of people I had crushes on in high I really have to dig. I'd be like, oh god, I don't know. Ask me thirty years from now, and I'd be like, what who I don't I
didn't go to high school. I certainly wouldn't be like I hate your children. It's why people need to move out of their hometown. You just get caught up in this kind of stuff. Connor Todd, No, that's the lead thing of bright Eyes in the Fame, respectively. But I'll never I can't unsee that picture of Connor as Peter Pan. I sent it to Beth on Thanksgiving, like without context. I keep trying to make this joke, and like, this will be the third time I'm trying to make it,
and I'm like, it's not worth it anymore. No, go ahead and say it. You gotta say it, MONZRELLI Stick's chicken fingers Potter, You're named the two most delicious appetizers on the MEDU. No, it wasn't worth it. You were right. Okay, So obviously we recommend this film. I remember recommend the whole Quintology at this point. But what I was gonna say is, if you're in a vulnerable place, I wouldn't watch them. They're pretty upsetting. Oh no, no, no, no, no no.
Yeah. And in the words of TLC, don't go chasing this waterfall stick to the like Twilight. I guess I've heard good things about Scott Pilgrim takes over the new Scott Pilgrim anime where everybody they brought everybody back from the original movie. Oh okay, I'll go and see the Marvels. I'm still really up on the Marvels. I think that movie is very good, despite like what all the angry men on the internet want to say about it.
It is why is anyone even paying attention to them? Anymore like Kamala Kahn and man Vellani is amazing in it. She's the heart of the movie. There. The three actresses have really good chemistry. There's some great cat moments in that movie. And I don't I'm gonna spoil it. Well a record pinge drop or whatever it is that I don't want to record drop, record drop, you know, need drop? Thank you got there? A needle drop that is so so funny, Like people applauded it in the theater.
I was in. Okay, Well that is a glowing recommendation. What are we doing next week? Well, Sissy Marckey J. Part two, which this is this is a pretty aggrandizing name for how somber this This episode was we're now entering Deadly December. Yeah, what is what is our first installment of Deadly December? Well, it would be this because it's coming out on this third Wait, what's it good? The second? Well, this were
watching Mackey J. Part two is technically the beginning of Deadly December. But next week we're going to start in earnest five Night to Freddy's another Josh Hutchinson movie. Amazing, No, I realized it was so angular in these movies like I was watching and I was like, oh, he has like such like a strong jaw line. Yeah, he's a good looking dude, the cheekbones. And I just realized we show have done something like Hungry for Turkey,
Hunger Games November or something, and we never do. That's a really poor taste. Frank, I don't know. Yeah, I mean about the district starving. We're not gonna think it about Thanksgiving. Jesus, Well, it would, it would fit into anachronistically remembering Thanksgiving being better than it was. I mean, I guess from a historical standpoint. I mean it's more like you're uh miscategorizing like the meaning and uh sort of death of the holiday.
But sure so five nights of Freddy's Ready for Jump Scares. If I can't sleep, I blame you, and I'm gonna call you every time I wake up from a nightmare. My housemate watched the movie. There's only one jump scare in it? What? Why did Why? It was the theater? Why was the theaters? I had read on the movie theater subreddit that the theaters were disaster and people were blaming jump scares for that. Well,
it's because these movies are primarily a children. Yeah, okay, yes, I mean that these games a lot of streamers got into them, and kids watched streamers. So because which would call it the one of the latest episodes of Mom Can't Cook? They're talking. I think it's called like the Phantom
of the Cineplex. And one of the hosts that podcast worked at a movie theater which Shrek three came out, and I immediately knew what he was talking about when he was like the devastation that was a theater after a screening of Shrektory, because cleaning theaters after a kid's movie gets out is like the worst, the worst, It's so gross. Yeah. But yeah, and before
we get into this is the listeners, I'm making you a pledge. I am going to do my damnedest to find a few hours this weekend to try and understand what the hell is going on in the rich five nights of Freddy's Backstory. Yeah. I started watching the event of the Jedi video about it before I knew we were doing it for the podcast, because I really do try to go into stuff like this cold, like, without any influences. And she didn't know about the Deep lore, but has heard that there is
deep lore. So it's basically like all of us have heard rumors that there may be deep lore to five Nights of Freddy's. We've heard of the we've heard of the rich that we must you know, extra extra excavate. Yes, so I would love if you could give us an overview and we could see how faithful this is, what a faithful retelling this movie is. Sorry, Josh Hutchinson, Yeah, I have to say I missed the Stanley Tucci in this one. He was there, but he's a lot less fun when
he's just reporting propaganda and lies. Yeah. Well, no, I wasn't talking about Jason Schwartzmann. I'm saying I miss Stanley Tucci in this last Hunger Games movie because we didn't get to see him at all. He's there, when was he there? What he's He's announces that Catnus is dead and oh okay, well he's barely there. Yeah, he's pretty like I said, he's freaky seditional laws. Oh that's true. So you can run us a
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