Deadpool and Wolverine Trailer, The Fantastic Four revealed, our Madame Web, Review and more!

Hello everyone, and welcome to Superhero Slate, the show where we run down the latest superhero entertainment news. We love TV, movies. And superheroes, so let's talk it all out. My name is Chris. And my name is Mike. And this week we're breaking down that Deadpool and Wolverine trailer, which was a week ago from the Super Bowl, which Mike and I myself have forgot happened was a week ago. So, yeah, I think that's that's just a good that's a good. Sign, though, and I'll explain in a minute.

Yeah, absolutely. We're the Fantastic Four cast is finally revealed. We can talk about the worst kept secret in Hollywood and some concept art. We're going to review Madam Web at the end of the episode because I know all of you ran out and saw it. That's why we waited to do it today. And then because everyone's seen everyone I've seen Madam Web, obviously. So we can we can review. Here's the new episode and more. Yes. This is like I am just kind of pulling this together right now.

This very well could be one of the more exciting episodes that we record all year. There is so much going on in this episode, so this is one of the unintended benefits of not doing a Super Bowl post recording where we like rundown the trailers and the commercials. We get to bring the best of what happened last week and all the other like boring chaff falls to the side. So we're going to talk about that awesome stuff. There's exciting announcements that came out this week.

We get to remove, we get to review, I would say a pretty infamous. Movie at this point in time. So there's like a ton of great stuff that we're going to talk about. But also I think most importantly, this is like maybe a superhero slate first, This is the only time we've ever done this and the only time Chris has ever done this to. Me, My. She's just hyping everybody up for the end of the episode.

So you have to listen all the way through because I'm sure you've dropped your phone plenty of times and like, you know, the bottom of the screen is cracked. You can't quite get to the skipper scrub bar. So you got to listen to the whole. Episode. You get to the end the Madam Lab review. Because you might be asking, Hey, I've been a loyal. Subscriber to you guys for eight plus years. Actually, I think we're going on like, nine years. We are. We are into our ninth coming up on our 10th. Yes.

Like where is the dedicated standalone review. Episode for the Marvel movie? That's what I'm used to. That's what I'm accustomed to. And I was. Like, well, I that's what I was expecting too, today. I was like, okay, I'm preparing. Myself for two recording sessions. Until Chris kind of breaks our unwritten. Rule that we've had. For nearly a decade. Now. Where if we both plan on seeing a movie, we don't talk about it until we get on the microphone.

We kind of, you know, we keep it close to our chest until we can kind of get it on the official record and record. Until like Friday. Rolls around. And Chris tells. Me, Are you sure you want to go to the theaters? It's a movie. Yeah. So let's not say anything yet. We'll get to it because there's a whole story here. But I will tell you, I have with me and Mike, there's a three hour time difference between me and Mike, and I have a good window of when I can message him and give him response.

So I had to sit for an extra three plus hours mulling over, Do I talk to Mike about this movie before he goes and sees it before we do a review or not? And that that was probably one of the longest sections of time in my entire life. Just considering the repercussions of that. So yeah, so essentially Chris.

Recommended some maybe more cloak and dagger ways to watch this film and to maybe not subject myself to, you know, the car travel, the gasoline expense, the, the, the mental expense of having to be in a. Mike has to worry about, you know, a college savings for his upcoming child. So, you know, I'm like, that's true. I'm actually not doing. It for his precious. I'm not doing it for you. I'm doing it for your for your kids education. Make it.

my God. And the calculus is going to be crazy once this kid is here later in the year. Like I will be infuriatingly angry if I if I waste, you know, a theater trip on a movie, you know, that I don't like. He says he's already concerned about the thermostat settings with three people in the household. What's that going to cost going to do to him? I know, I know. We're thinking that he's worried about the physics of how people are sticking to walls or, you know, I don't even know we don't.

Chris, How do you know if you stick to a wall if you've never tried before? Exactly. But I don't want to. I don't want to. I don't want to. So essentially, Chris, kind of let some of his opinions slip. A little bit and. He has deemed it unnecessary. He he used all of his authority that he's. Gained over the decade of, I would say, being the main producer of this podcast. And he made the chief decision of this movie. This is not worth a standalone review.

So we are tacking it on to the end of this episode. But I don't know, I feel like the conversation will be fun either way. So it's going to be this. I think this is going to end up being kind. Of like an extra large episode, you know, it's not a two for one Big Mac special, but it's like you're getting a Big Mac and. It's a double Big Mac. It's on a two for one, but it's a double Big Mac. It's like not two separate things, but it's a little bit thicker on that. Mac Because they sell those. Yes.

Less buttons, but more beef. Yeah, that's right. That's right. But anyways, let's let's not let's not give anything away. Let's jump into some news. Last week everyone knows we recorded before the Super Bowl pretty early for Mike and I appreciate that form. So we did that. And really, you know, for Super Bowl 58, we were here, we had a really good time on Paramount Plus, I mentioned my my theater TV or my movie poster TV, having the scores right now.

Fun fact, Paramount Plus runs on a 30 plus second delay on live television. So the score was updating faster than the actual football game sometimes. So people were like, I'm like, we'll just sit closer. You don't have to look at it. It's fine. It's not like visible when you're watching the screen if you're a little closer. But that was really fun. But I want to talk about some commercials, Mike, because here's the conundrum I've run into.

I don't remember very many commercials a week later in the moment. Very hot, very, very fun. But I can't remember a lot of them other than the State Farm with Arnold Schwarzenegger and Danny DeVito, the neighbor. Yeah. Thanks. I really enjoy that. That was really fun. And all I ever saw, all I've seen is the Dunkin Donuts, the Ben Affleck Dunkin Donuts thing. Interesting. I haven't seen that one kind of pop back up in the feed.

Like I said at the top of the show, the benefit of doing this a week, a week later, only the creme rises to the top. And the only single commercial I can recall, which I actually really love because it's just weird enough to like lodge in your brain, kind of like. what is it like baby monkey? Is that the one from. Yeah, baby. It wasn't. It wasn't bad. It was like monkey, puppy, baby kind of thing. Yeah, that's what it was. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

So the one that's sticking onto my gray matter is all of the bird mascots. From the NFL. Flying in migrations. And it's like a it's like a wildlife documentary. And you can, like, see like a flock of, like, you know, literal Eagles players, like, flapping through the sky. I love that one. And since the game went into overtime, there was a few extra kind of commercial. Slots. Some replays. Slotted. So I got to see that. I think like maybe three times and I enjoyed that one.

So I, I would put my vote into that one for. I, I honestly don't remember that one that tells you anything. I mean, I, to me, I was immediately enthralled with, you know, Arnold Schwarzenegger leaning into his accent, his Austrian accent. And I was like, this is. And it kept going. They just kept it kept going. And then the real cherry on top was from, you know, twins. And what's the other movie? One of them, they're like, they're both pregnant dudes.

They played in those movies in the late eighties, early nineties, right? God, why can't I think of the name? Like I can envision the poster. Yeah. So clearly. It's not. Look who's talking. It's I'm expecting. It's, you know. my God, this is the point where people scream I know. It's like, well, it's not like everyone's going back and watching this movie, but it was fun to see them together again for the first time in a very long time. So absolutely commercials.

And I was going to say the the you know, there were several movie trailers. You know, I don't have I originally had Wicked in here, but it's not we don't we actually got more news enough to push Wicked off of the bullets. You know, I have recently watched that play for the first time and a lot of people are very interested in it because it's, you know, part one, Part two plays very split down the middle with the intermission. So that was cool.

But I was going to say I was wrong and we didn't get a full Deadpool trailer. Mike We got a micro Deadpool trailer and pushed to go watch online, which I was doing on my phone, running around the house while the game was on, trying to juggle my food I like that was going off and then watching the Super Bowl. But yeah, I was I was kind of curious. I was like, I know Chris is entertaining a group of people.

Does he have the balls to turn the game off and switch it over to YouTube and force all of these people? I've got enough TVs to do it. But no, no, I didn't. I watched it and I think. I started to dive a little too deep into like the Twitter, like hashtags and stuff. I wanted, you know, to see what the Internet was like talking about. So I forced myself to go watch the trailer maybe earlier than I normally would have because I didn't want it to be spoiled.

But just so everybody knows, the movie is JR the one where. there it is. I know it was actually called. I was like, I was like, I knew it's a single word somewhere. Where can we where can we do that? But thank you for looking them up. But yeah, so, but we got the confirmation.

Deadpool Wolverine is the title of the movie Mike and it is now and it has the record of being the most viewed trailer of all time passing Spider-Man No Way Home, which was previously past Marvel's Endgame, Avengers Endgame beforehand. So and that and that is the hype. That is the kind of hype that Disney needs to drive around their superhero film franchise. They need that energy back. I have. Anecdotal.

Evidence out there in the world that Chris and I like to call the normies, which are the type of people that would not listen to this podcast, but go to the movies and use their hard earned money to buy tickets. And I was at my I was at a an OB-GYN baby appointment with my wife, and I heard just like a gaggle of nurses behind the nurses stand talking about the trailer. And this was a couple of days later, but they were like, did you see the Deadpool trailer more? I'm excited.

Wolverine's supposed to be on it. I hope it's Hugh Jackman. I hope he's coming back. So I was like, wow, they don't. We are so deep into it. We are so deep into this, Chris, that we just assume all 8 billion people. On this planet already have seen the footage. And know. That Hugh Jackman is. Reading the second worst kept secret in Hollywood next to our next topic. But absolutely, there are a lot of people who just don't know.

And and, you know, I think now people I had a conversation as we'll talk about later but like they reference Marvel and Disney specifically in this trailer towards the camera nod, wink. So everyone's like, okay, now we're back in the MCU kind of thing with it. Yeah. So it's like the. Hype is real if we're just here, like. You know, for lack of a better term. People off. The street. Talking about this movie, they are already.

Hitting a higher batting average than the last like five Marvel movies that have come out. So I key I keep telling Chris kind of off Mike in text messages that if this movie doesn't break $1,000,000,000 like I don't know Disney declares bankruptcy. I know it's like they got to hit that billion dollars mark.

If you can hit $1,000,000,000 with an R-rated movie, I will be impressed that that's that's going to be its only gate is the R-rated if not that it matters to anybody but like you know we there are some people who like I can't take my kids to see this or I don't want to go watch an R-rated movie if I can't take my kids, something like that. So that would be the only blocker I see on this. And they do lean into some of that leading to the rudeness in the trailer.

I don't I don't think it's a red Band trailer on YouTube. I couldn't tell obviously because mean not yet but like it does lean into the gist of it. Yeah it's like we just watched it. It's kind of weird that they can just outright say pegging, you know, there doesn't seem to be a lot of swearing attached to it. Yeah but it's Yeah, let's. So let's talk about this. Trailer It's exciting. It gets me right back into it. It's been so long since I've kind of indulged in Deadpool in general.

Like I don't even know if I've ever rewatched Deadpool two, surprisingly since I think it came out in 2018. So it was nice kind of just seeing new, fresh Deadpool stuff that's not just like annoying internet memes where people think they're being extra funny. I kind of forgotten just how awesome the action. Is in these movies. Yeah, he's like, there's an awesome like reload scene. There's like throwing knives. There's just. Sweet.

Like, choreography that I just forget that Deadpool is also like an awesome action movie. And that's, you know, when you think about that is like, again, you go back to that leaked scene from Deadpool that got the movie made, right where he's on the bridge and jumps down in the car. That awesome action, like the solo action, sees Deadpool is a mercenary with skills to kill, if you will, for my Ryan. But there we are and it does set it up. What is cool to me about this trailer is are funny.

It sets up, you know, hey, he's having a birthday party with all the people, even the people who were killed specially, you know, raised with with cable's time machine at the end of Deadpool two. We've not seen him long enough. He's grown hair on him and he, like, kicks right into the TVA, which we're familiar with from Marvel, from the Loki show.

And then we get just a montage of, you know, mystery action scenes, familiar thing, putting things in places to really say this movie's connected to a lot more things than we think it is. And obviously we are we are in this more than we than other people. We know a lot more. We've seen the set photos. We know that big sign is 20th Century Fox right behind him. So, you know, I, I don't know what how to put that to somebody else who doesn't know. But I'm very excited for this.

You know, this is I enjoyed seeing the Avengers scenes in the TVA. I don't know if you got those right. Obviously they were there.

If you look at the bottom left actually shows Deadpool accepting like an award speech is like one of the smaller screens they've done that they the scene where he throws his hands up and says wait remember that's that's reference in the first movie that's the turned over scene truck from Logan Actually if you look into it a little bit, I don't know if I point out to you, but at one point he's sitting and the Hulk's bed from Thor Ragnarok in there and I saw that scene Big Teeth.

I didn't realize there was so many, like direct connections. Yeah. I mean now, now that you mention the Logan part of it, now my brain instantly goes to, is he going to rescue Logan from the Logan movie? And is that going to be everything that we see in this movie? It is. It is not that Wolverine. They said it's not Logan. This takes place before Logan. But, you know, he's riding the TVA there in the snow that that scene actually didn't have snow in that movie.

So is it like an alternate universe? Did he arrive too late and he needs to go back further in time to get Wolverine in that universe? I actually secret I didn't know. And honestly, it's the character who played Pyro from the X-Men two and three was in this trailer. I didn't know he was in this movie, actually. He's like one of the few actors I didn't know was coming back for this. Yeah. Kind of a deep cut, I'm sure.

You know, some hardcore people who rewatch the, you know, the singer X-Men, you know, every year could recognize his face. But yeah, I definitely had to be told who he was. But that's cool to bring a character like that back. It's so it's just awesome to see the TVA's stuff because that's the coolest thing happening in Marvel right now. When we reviewed Season two of Loki, we reiterated that as well. I'm wonder if there's like a benefit because this movie, you know, had been delayed a few times.

It's been in production for a while. You know, I think it kind of I think theoretically it started at Fox before they were acquired by Disney. Well, I'm hoping all of these kind of unintentional just delays of just, you know, a corporation being a corporation worked out in its favor because it bumped the movie up enough in time to where it could take advantage of the existence of the TVA. And I think that I think that's great.

I mean, I'm super looking forward to somebody like Deadpool, this crazy madcap character falling into like, this, like bureaucratic, like time, space office. That's going to be so much fun. Yeah. And, you know, he calls himself Marvel Jesus at one point in the middle of it. You know, a lot of people that I saw that hashtag were hashtag Marvel. Jesus, I really latching on to that one.

You know, we in the in the Super Bowl spot, which is different than the actual trailer, we get to see a little more of a blurry Hugh Jackman in his Wolverine suit than we do in the final because we just get like, hey, he leans over his has the claws. Now I will say there are two, two cool things left. One is we get to see the back of Wolverine at a poker table, right? Yeah. And that's supposed to be Madripoor. Rumor is that that's not Hugh Jackman, but an alternate wolverine.

So I'm playing Wolverine in that one. So I saw some like, you know, those clickbait articles of like, that's got to be Daniel Radcliffe and people analyzing like shoulder broadness in the jacket. Yeah, absolutely. So that's fun. There's another thing with mini guns are little Uzis. Do you notice that that is Lady Deadpool's weapon of choice when you read her stuff? So it's kind of hinting that Lady Deadpool. And then lastly, there's a secret Wars, the 2014 series comic book.

Ah, I think it's 2015 2016 to the left of Deadpool was only on with the green soda that Stanley drank in the Hulk that turned him into the Hulk. Bear on top of that that magazine. So they are literally you want you want to be Leonardo DiCaprio in Once Upon a Time in Hollywood. The meme pointing at the TV saying that this is the movie for you, Mike. I feel this is going to be that thing that's got all these deep cuts, the the weird references. Do they have time to drop in?

Madam, my reference before this movie comes out. Mike can possibly they could. Yeah. It is possible. And also I think the. One thing that's really working for this movie, like I mentioned, Deadpool two came out in 2018. We have had. Time to miss the character. You know, they haven't been cramming Deadpool movies in our face, you know, every other year or having Deadpool cameo on another movie like we have been left Wanting and we're so excited to see him back.

You know, the magic trick of like his character has not worn off. So I think everything is coalescing really, really, really well for this movie. And Ryan Reynolds is at the height of his powers. Like I you could one could. Argue that after this movie and it's not necessarily a bad thing, Ryan Reynolds has everything he could ever want. Right. But you could say. He will never. Be as big of a hitter in Hollywood as he is when this movie comes out. Just because.

How do you top like your Deadpool, like trilogy? You know, he's got like he's got like soccer teams. He's got his own like commercial company. He's got alcohol companies. Like, you know, it's kind of like George Clooney, right? He is. He is a permanent fixture in Hollywood that's never going anywhere and will always be popular. But, you know, George. Clooney hit. His zenith at some point in time. So I'm Ocean's 11 seen. Yes, I'm predicting I'm.

Predicting the zenith of Ryan Reynolds Deadpool three. And then he'll. Have he'll have like a nice cool. Down. But he won't he'll never get so cold that, you know, people won't want them. So I think the other thing is I don't I disagree. I think this gives him money and I guess leeway not that he needs money or leeway he can go do anything he wants, like he said, to do fun projects. Right. Like whoa Spirited a couple was the last year or two years ago when Apple TV right.

The musical with with Will Ferrell. He's doing what if is he in for voicing a character and if. He might be. No. Wasn't that the John Krasinski? It's a it's a John Krasinski film. But I. Think Ryan Reynolds is. Eric. I'm pretty sure he is. I think he's like the human. If not, if not, how about the Adam Project? Right? And I a high concept sci fi movie, not the best movie in the world, but he was still able to do a sci fi movie. And that kid went on to do Percy Jackson.

The recently came out is getting rave reviews on Disney Plus so I don't think I don't he might it is in the yes but I don't think he's going to slow down. I think he's going to just be doing these little fun little projects that no one else will ever get to do. Low budget movies. Right. No one's doing low budget movies right now. And, you know, bring bring along everyone he wants to do with it.

All of his friends in the show, now that he's friends with Hugh Jackman, Hugh Jackman posted the new titles of Deadpool and Wolverine. He calls it Wolverine and Asshole in the The Fonz, which is which is fun. I'm glad they included Wolverine in the title. If I'm going to be completely honest, that's going to bring in that audience. You mentioned the non nerds, the casual viewers who have watched Hugh Jackman for 25 years.

Right. Be Wolverine who who who suffered through X-Men, Origins Wolverine and and got to this point so I'm excited the titles Deadpool and Wolverine this 2 to 25 trailer hype through the roof absolutely loving it and I'm excited for four for Marvel's one movie this year. Mike That's that's pretty exciting. On the flip side, Marvel's exciting me even more for next year with the again, worst kept secret Hollywood, The official casting announcement of the Fantastic Four.

And on Valentine's Day with a confirmation. It's a new title, Mike. It's called the Fantastic Four. You know, a huge, huge difference. New new artwork, new logo concept art shows the people in the costumes. And there's so many secrets in here, so many little Easter eggs along the way. Mike One of them being obviously I've seen this article too, that is that the thing is reading a Time magazine from 19th December 1963 leaning to this movie, possibly being set in 63, 64, if you will.

But I think that's. And I mean, that's incredibly exciting. So that's the first thing I want to talk about. I mean, we'll talk about the casting, but like as you said before, Chris, if you're plugged into this world, you kind of knew about some of these things already, but it's exciting to imagine more of a period piece movie because the last one we got really outside of like Captain Marvel being in the nineties, which I suppose if you're young enough, is sadly a period piece for you.

But was Captain America the First Avenger? Right? That was. Salt. It's a period piece, but I feel like it's so. Solidly set within the confines of World War Two. It feels more of like a war movie and less of a period movie. And I think this is going to be fun going back to the sixties, seeing how like society is like back then. I'm curious how this hooks all into the MCU overall. I mean, you could do a Fantastic Four.

Trilogy set in the sixties and seventies, depending on how far you want to age it. Right? Or, you know, is just the first movie set in the sixties. And then they time jump to the future, fall through a portal. I'm curious how they end up meeting the rest of this universe. That's my next question. So there's two things to this. One is if it's set in 63, we should even the costumes, they have Herbie the Robot, right? This is all very sixties. That astronaut suits.

If it's set in the mid sixties, that is. That's fine by me. The villain is still rumored, as we've talked about Galactus, right? Silver Surfer. Maybe at the end of the movie, they have to go to space to protect the earth, right? Or draw Galactus or something away. They're out in space due to time dilation. They come back. It's a 20. Good point. You're in 2020, which is great. And Doctor Strange references them right.

In his movie Multiverse of the opening text for the new chart in the sixties, meaning he probably hasn't seen them since the sixties. The other part of this and this is I'm just going to throw this out here as an idea I had is what a fantastic for the Fantastic Four is set in a different universe where like it's like they are in a different multiverse because Secret Wars is the next movie after that, right where they come together, they don't need to be in the MCU and tight everything.

They can have their own world, their own quirks, and then are pulled into the MCU in their next film, which would be secret wars. That way they don't have to have that baggage. I mean, that is true, and. That's an interesting idea. I do think there is an advantage, though, of keeping characters tied into the MCU at large. I guess the sacred timeline or whatever you want to call it, because I feel like you're going to bring a little bit more inherited and just love for the characters.

Empathy for the characters is what I'm looking for from the audience because, they inhabit this world with all of these characters that I know. If they come from a different universe, theoretically anything could be different. It's kind of like when Doctor Strange was, you know, going to that Captain Carter, you know, other Mister Fantastic universe, whatever number they attribute it to that like when they all got like, absolutely murdered by, by Wanda.

Like I didn't really, you know, I, of course I'm empathetic to, you know, to murder in general in the real world. But I was like, I don't have any. Affinity for these characters. I don't really know their backstory. I don't know their family. I don't know their plight. But I guess if you have a whole movie set in an alternate universe and we get to know them, that can be different. But there are some. Fun things that they could do.

If they stay in our mainline sacred timeline, they could theoretically, they could know Hank Pym, they could know Howard Stark possibly in some way. There could be some connections there. But I do really like the idea that you're floating, that they need to all agree as a family that they kind of have to almost sacrifice this their lives in a way of like going out into space.

And they say we all have to agree because once we come back to Earth, you know, we're going to be you know, it's going to be. Well, I would say I wouldn't even say that years in the future. They don't even say that. I think they just need to say like, you know, we're going out here. There may not be a way to come home kind of thing. Right. And then when they get to me, it's is more of the realization they get their this is not the place we left. Right. We've we've gone forward 60 years. Yeah.

Because it's a great explanation of like, well, where have they been? Like, if they're so influential and so powerful and superpowered, why haven't they affected like culture at all on planet Earth? You know, And, you know. And people may think that they did maybe that people think they did die in space. Right? Like people are like, they leave. They left Earth and, you know, they died, never came back. And you know, kind of gave up on it. So so I like that pitch.

And, you know, you can already see the the final scene of the movie, the after credits scene, the after after credits scene, whatever you want to do, they finally make it back to Earth. But they would need you know, this is if they'd go this way. This is a bit of a stickler in me, but I absolutely demand it. You have to explain why the time dilation kind of affects them, but doesn't seem to affect like anybody and, you know, the Guardians of the Galaxy.

It could be, I guess, a different type of like warp drive that. Yeah. Well well they Yeah, because, well, the Guardians and Captain Marvel, we use those portals right, that we saw in the Marvel's the jump gates and maybe if they're using older you know for humans sixties technology they're not given that same, you know thing or maybe it's you know it could be dimensional There is the the negative zone you know they they touched on in you know the ultimate.

that's true yeah they could be doing something dimensional. Speaking. Yeah. Of the negative. Zone we have to just talk about all of the super scientifically casted people. Yeah. And I mean I guess we, we talk about Pedro first. You know, as you said, worst kept secret in Hollywood. I really liked seeing him in his little sweater and that fun little classic illustration style on that Valentine's Day card. Yes. So we have to two artworks, the official one, and I forget who the artist is on this.

I feel horrible. But there's also by Phil Noto, an artist for Marvel and you you get to see the reason I bring up Phil knows this because he did the they did the same suits for both images, right? Like you know they are in these outfits. So the day essentially they're their costumes and yes, there's the blue turtleneck. It's got the like the the I guess the textures, the vertical lines on the top of it.

They even give them the gray temples like they give Peter the gray Mr. Fantastic temples on his hair, if you will, which looks really cool. And then obviously the tall white boots in the belt. So this is going to be interesting to see these these suits come off. And then in the film. No, no. You actually get to see he drew a very, very long arm on Pedro. You see that like the on the second link in our shoulders. yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm just seeing it now.

We had Mr. Frame Tank so they showed the first image doesn't really give their abilities away. It's just the dynamic of the family, if you will. The second one kind of shows it off and then obviously Pedro Pascal. And then moving on to Vanessa Kirby as Sue Storm, the Invisible Woman, her outfit, I think is a little different than his because she has the white turtleneck rather than the blue. yeah. Like and it's just. Fun seeing them because there's no there's no easy way.

To modernize these characters and then logistically explain them and kind of like their more iconic vintage garb. So this is like a really fun way to do it. And then you. Could even kind of. Slightly modernize these outfits whenever they possibly make it into the future, because that's what they're used to. They don't want to just go ahead and start, you know, dressing in Sheen or H&M. You know, clothing is like right off the bat. Right? Yeah. And then we get the next confirmation.

A Joseph Quinn from Strange Things. He will be playing the Human Torch. Eddie Eddie. Munson. I mean, this. Seems like a pretty this is a pretty good. Casting. I mean, yeah, you kind of, you know, struck lightning with that character in Stranger Things. And we all saw his his demise in in the season, which was pretty impactful. Everyone fell in love with this character. So I think that's great casting for both sides. You know, you get a big name, but, you know, not insanely established.

Because we do know even with all these. Marvel projects going forward, they are still kind of on a more of a budget conscious mind. Right? You know, they're not going to like, you know, blow everything on casting. So this seems like a good kind of middle down the road casting for that character. Exactly. You know, get them all these hot, right? Like, you know, after after Stranger Things and all that hot. Literally, he's going to be the torch. Is going to be the and torch.

And then lastly, we have the thing played by Evan Moss, Bacharach and personally for it, we talked about him being micro in The Punisher or in The Cousin in the Bear. yeah, great. I've man. He's I love this. He has his own kind of standalone. Episode and season two of the Bear. It's it's one of the best episodes in the entire season. So if you want a primer on this guy yeah watch.

That also and or he was whenever and or went to the the planet to sneak in and they were making the plans out in the woods he was one of the guys in the woods with them. Yeah I know. It's very interesting. I don't think he. Makes it past what, episode. Four? No, no. If he's in the middle three. So he's in all three, he's in there for a little bit. But like, you know, great actor, obviously fun fact. He is the first Jewish actor to play the thing who is Jewish in the comic books.

Everyone else is. SIMON So if you want a little fun watercooler effect for for people out there, you can say he's the first Jewish actor to play that. And what's cool about the thing is, obviously, you know, the other one, they're really into the Michael Chiklis era thing, the comic book thing, like bright orange, right? Bright blue eyes, you know, big, heavy bottom lip. So I feel like we're going to have a really good comic book iteration of the thing on the screen here.

Yeah. But I'm curious how they're going to adapt the thing to screen. You know, I think it would be kind of fun. Maybe it would also lean into like the sixties esthetic. Maybe if they kind of do kind of part practical, part CGI, you know, so put like these like rocks on to the character, right? Yeah. You know, foam, whatever you want to make them.

So you're getting like unique motion from the character and then apply maybe like CG emotions to the rock face or like add like extra detail that maybe you can't quite get in the props department. I think it would be really fun. Well, the one thing I will say, Marvel, I never have any doubt with them bringing CGI characters to life either. Right. Well, look at Thanos, you know, the Black Order kid. Like they've done such a great job with full CGI characters.

So I think I think they're going to knock out of the park in with Iron Man. Before it was also they were using real suits, right, for Iron Man and modeling that Spider-Man and stuff like that. So I have full faith in them bringing that to life for this. And then the last bit, you know, Herbie is the but Herbie fun fact was created in the 1970s Fantastic Four cartoon because the Human Torch wasn't in that show. He was license for a movie deal that never came to fruition, obviously.

So they couldn't use the Human Torch in the animated shows. So they created Herbie for that. And he just embodies sixties technology, right? When you go to Tomorrowland at Disney, I expect to see something like Herbie that, right? Like a little, little robot that's got a little personality, a little fun. So I'm excited to see who they get the voice act. Herbie for for the spot. And then, you know, I was. If I like it, let's make guesses. I feel like it's either Alan Tudyk or Bill Hader with.

Alan Jackson, The deceivers Alan tricks in the DC Universe. Thirdly, I don't think anything, but to me it's, you know, obviously with Iron Man and Spider Man, they used a lot of A.I. voices that were fun too. even Loki, the Miss minutes was kind of they've got pretty good voice actors, so I actually have no idea who Herbie could be.

But I will tell you, looking at Herbie and thinking about, you know, the post-credits scene of them coming back is finding Herbie kind of like R2-D2 in like The Force Awakens, like a sleeper or in storage, because nobody knew what to do with them. Covered and covered in dust. Yeah. And the the camera slowly zooms in and then suddenly, like an LED, like an S.O.S., like LED starts, like flashing. Now, we're not doing movies like, they're back. They've already done that. I think.

I don't even know if it'll be dust covered. But like what? He looks like one of those robots who would, like, be like, Hey, I've kept everything clean while you've been gone kind of thing. He's like, like. The Wall-E, if you. Will. Yeah, kind of. Like I have to say, there is an advantage to. Having a care like a voiceless character. I think that some beeps and bloops could also be pretty charming on. Yeah, on Herbie. absolutely. Absolutely.

But yeah, this, this was just a nice Valentine's Day treat, even though we knew most of it too. But to see the artwork, see the logo, the logo type is changed, right? We're not giving that linear blue fantasy for the model. And they went back, Richard it again, directed by Matt Shakman, who did wandavision. So I have full faith he can do period pieces thoroughly and this.

Is this is great everything like we're going to be talking about another Marvel comic book trailer here coming up in two segments and everything is starting to kind of turn the other way with Marvel in general over at Disney. I feel like the ship Will has finally started to turn. You know, we're starting to round that corner, right?

Right. The course, if. The delays are paying dividends, if you will, like the individual things are paying dividends because I you know, this could have been rushed out. It could have been done. I mean, this actually has a new release date of July 25th, 2024, which is two weeks after Superman Legacy, by the way. So that's going to be interesting to see how that, you know, most movies die after two weeks anyway, so it's fine. But you know, this we'll talk about that other trailer a little bit.

Like I think the delays, the other trailer. Well, you know, say it's X-Men 97. It could have come out two years ago if they wanted to make I feel right. Right. Like they could have rushed that out. But like, hey, we've got more content for you on Disney Plus, get out here, watch it. But I think, you know, that DeLay has added to it. We'll talk about that. Now, anything else I'm going to ask for? Because you know, that July 25th date did move another movie. Anything else to add before we shift?

I mean, I mean, Marvel could be putting a stake back into the July date, you know, when they had more releases coming out per year. We were seeing like end of March, May releases, you know, And, you know, they were flanking it maybe with a later in the year. In November. It was November was a yeah, the other one. But yeah, so it seems like now when you have like a little less on your release calendar, it's just like, we're going back to old school.

Like, remember when those Spider-Man Raimi movies used to come out like July? Like, I'm actually shocked. It's not July 4th holiday to be real. But Superman Legacy is considering Legacy. Well, but even. With even with Deadpool that's coming out at the end of July this year, I don't know. I don't know what's taking place at the July 4th holiday this year. But it's not it's not out of the ordinary for movies to be moved up kind of last minute.

A couple weeks because it's more of like an excitement PR push, like, guess what? You get to see the movie, you know, two, three weeks early now. So there could. Be like a last minute strategy in there as well. You know. Who knows, Production delays could hit. Superman. For totally non nefarious reasons and maybe they have to push that release. So there's always things could be discussed. Despicable Me four has the July date. So screw it, destroy them, move it up. For Deadpool as planned.

I don't think. Yeah, I'll be fine. But anyway, so July 25th, it was originally. No I think I think November of that year maybe it's been up to July which July 20th was originally the thunderbolts release date. Never like. because he had mentioned the other day Bob Iger did mention it's dead going to kill it. Marvel's come out said no Thunderbolts is moving up to May 3rd, 2025 So and this was confirmed by Marvel.

So literally for 2025 currently we have Captain America four in March, Thunderbolts in May and Fantastic four in July. So we're getting like, what, three week three, a couple of months in between these really, really for a little bit there and possibly blade in November. I'm not going to hold that date until somebody says filming started on that movie get so so it's only affected thunderbolts in a good way the other direction.

So all these movies are going to start filming pretty soon so that's pretty cool of the day. You mentioned the trailer. We talked about X-Men 97, dropped its first trailer here. So and it comes on, it shows us a Tube TV giving us the final and abbreviation of the final scenes of X-Men, the animated series from the nineties. Xavier has presumably died. The X-Men are there with Magneto trying to live on his legacy.

And then we get to see the new show kind of pop in, Hey, here's what's going to be here's some cool stuff. Here's a voice, actors and stuff. I am thoroughly impressed how much this show looks like the nineties show. Mike Like the the is identical, obviously, because we're not doing, you know,

art. We're doing artwork on computers now, but like even the missing frames, like it's like a half frame rate for voices in the action, just like animation, cheap animation in the nineties sort of look like the voice actors are returning for a lot of the characters or their new roles. It's it was just so not nostalgic, but I'm like, I remember watching this. Like it just took me right back. It is an absolutely perfect trailer.

I don't have any notes and this is exactly how they should have executed it. I like you were mentioning the opening. I love it. It's perfect. Prime Me with what X-Men used to look like back in the day we used and how we used to watch it as well. They even kind of. Dressed the set a. Little bit where. It's like you're watching it and kind of like a nineties esthetic living room. We're slowly pulling in and getting right back into the moment. Like right where we left off.

I saw comments out there that said if the show doesn't premiere with the with the iconic voice line of previously on X-Men like Rioting. So and then the. Visual. Style is perfect. I love it. And you hit the nail on the head where it's like they're modernizing it just because you have to. You're not going to create the show just like how it was made in the past. We're using more modern technologies, but you're leaning into it.

They're kind of doing exactly what you should be doing with nostalgia of you remember it differently as a child. And if you go back and rewatch it, you're not capturing the same magic. So you have to kind of inject a little bit more. Excitement and energy into it because. You're not trying to duplicate what was made 1 to 1. You're trying to duplicate the. Feeling you had when you watched it. And that's exactly what this feels like.

I was going frame by frame on some parts, like especially when Wolverine is like riding on game that's back. the gambit charging is cause that's going to be a killer scene to watch. Awesome. Like what a great idea. The tone is amazing. The the theme song. Yeah. I was waiting for you to bring it because know. The trailer is, like, so exciting. It has just that kind of right level of cheese to it, you know? I know we're just kind of jumping.

All around the trailer right now, but even like Magna Ito kind of doing all but twirling his like, invisible mustache at the end. yeah. It's he left it all to me. And you're just like, no. And it's just everything. About this is amazing. I'm so excited for it. Right? And I wasn't expecting to feel like this. I was kind of cooling. On nineties X-Men because. I thought, like, are we. Overhyping this property? Right? I'm not. Saying it was bad by any. Means. It definitely made.

Accomplishments, but I was like, The landscape has just changed. So is there anything left there? And like this trailer just brought me right back to it. Well. It's a risk, right? It's like anything you try to touch 30 years later. Is it is it still there? You know, is the audience there? Obviously, the audience is there. But like some of that stuff, it was cheap. It wasn't made with money. It wasn't made with your head care. But like, it wasn't the same. Right?

They were just like, we have to churn out 23 episodes a year. That's like and like this. This show was also infamous. Li Like toss between, like animation production companies. So like the quality of the show changes between seasons. So like, and that's just like, unfortunately what happens with, you know, a lot of like animated kids shows, they're just like tossing around. They're just trying to get to syndication. They don't care so much about the narrative because they're like.

Our kids aren't going to care. What they want. They want people with superpowers. And that's this one, X-Men. And everyone has a power in it. You know, you have big sentinels, you have cool stuff to see. So yeah, to me, this really just kind of blew me away with how true they're sticking to it and how, again, it is not it doesn't feel like a cash and it feels like a, hey, we're doing something we want to do here and we're we're doing it. People who care about it, which was cool.

One of the fun things about this is really since March 20th, Mike, we're just about a month away from from watching this dude on Disney plus ten episodes, new characters, new stuff like that. Really, really excited to see what this looks like. And maybe maybe it'll get another season. Maybe it won't. Maybe this will wrap up the story. I don't know. But this is we are Prime X-Men Era with Deadpool this year, Right. You know, revisiting some of that, some of those cameos, I mean, this is great.

I mean. I hope this is popular because it would be a fun. Jumping off point right? Because there's so much that happens just within the X-Men universe, especially with comic books, that the movies just aren't really ever going to be able to touch, because sometimes X-Men just gets really, really because it's extremely like science fiction based with some storylines. It's got space, it's got like it's got, you know, space adventures, altering dimensions.

They have everything in their future timelines, past time. Yeah. So it would be fun, Like maybe after like one or. Two seasons of this X-Men 97, you know, just. Like, blow. Up the team right? You know, kill off some characters, do some stuff that you're never going to be touched, be able to touch in the movies. You know, I think that can be really fun. You know, X-Men is great with the inclusion of Beast at the end of Captain Marvel, Right?

And you know, from this, his look from this Deadpool Marine expert, 97, it's just it feels so good to be to be an X-Men fan. So now we'll keep you guys posted as as it comes up because, you know, we're a month away, so. we got we got a comment on our on our on our video. For people who don't know, we're live here on YouTube. So someone says they show up to the premiere for Madam Web looking like Mr. Slab and her stable of underage brothel employees.

Mike So we're going to have to come back to that here a little bit. But I think they're talking about the thumbnail. Yeah, yeah, absolutely. Threw up the ladies. We're done the premiere. We are not even into Star Wars or DC yet, but let's get let's get through the Star Wars respawn. And the company who is known for making Titanfall star which is making in game for Star Wars Mike and the current rumor highly rumored, is to feature a Mandalorian main character in their gear.

So you get the jetpacks, the grapple hooks, the rockets, you know, the visors, all that fun stuff as you play to this game. You know how I feel about. Traversal mechanics and video games. So I'm all for this. I was always the annoying guy in what Halo multiplayer was it with Halo three where I'm like, Yes, Jetpack every time I don't. it was reach. It was Reach. Yeah. If it makes me target out there in the world, I'm always picking the jetpack and I know Halo has grappling hooks now.

I never had a chance to, to play with it, but yeah, give me all the tools. Give me the fun little wrist rockets where they're like. The size of, like a nickel, but apparently can destroy a tank. Which ever really made sense. But yeah, I want all that. Exactly. And here's the best part. As we saw in the first season, I mean, Laurie, and guess what you do? You upgrade your armory, complete bounties, you get money, you get better gear, right?

It's built into the storyline as a mandalorian and you can actually feature other planets because Mandalore was destroyed. So you get to go around doing all sorts of hunting bounties, doing shootouts. Ah, you know, I would love this. You know, my thing is multiplayer I would love to play this with 3 to 4 friends, right? Like having a group of people take down bigger bosses or bigger bounties and get the loot and the the money from it so you can upgrade your gear

and do better. So this is fantastic. Titanfall is a good game to explain these like jetpacks and like, like really fast mobility in in that game. So a couple that with the you know the Star Wars IP layered over it and I am good to go. I only. Buy this game if there's a Timothy skin okay I want to be that that out. Of context. It sounds weird but. Like with the with the perfectly white. Graying coiffed hair. Yeah. From was that was that Boba Fett or was that Mandalore?

It was mainly in the start because he got Boba Fett's armor from him in season two. Yeah, that's right. Yeah. So and then Boba Fett showed up all grayed, scaly and then got better. Go respond if you want my, you know, 70 plus dollars. Yeah. Get that Timothy Olyphant license. What I love about the Star Wars other games they are single player games with no DLC, no add on packs the they updates for free. I love a good single player game too. I know I mentioned I want to shoot with my friends.

That's fine. But they do a good single player story with no DLC. Count me in as well. So down the cloud with that DCU, we have been blessed with a lot of DCU leaks over the years. However, on Twitter, Flash Red or whichever one is the main DCU, DCU Leaker has stepped away from the leaks. It's probably because he was busted from all the reports dropping in James Gunn living on social media instead of making movies. So that's a bummer for that.

But you know it leads into some of these other bullets. Below that we'll talk. Like I like to imagine. Whoever it is, they're like literally in a jail cell at Warner Brothers right now. And everyone's like, this isn't no due process has happened. And he's like, No. He's. And we put him on the Warner. Brothers studio tour. You can you can you can see them as you drive by. You know, you look at the set of friends, you get to see the fountain. here's the lead.

The leaker that we illegally imprisoned. Don't talk to him because he knows things that you're not supposed to. Well, I wonder who, what, who from the DCU is pissed off enough to leak this stuff? That's my question, right? Like. you think it's, like, vengeful? Yeah, Like, Hey, look at this fun info I have. Yeah. No, we got to. We got to juice the Snyder fans. It's Ray Fisher using his cyborg abilities to hack into the really servers.

But yeah we'll see more of this again all the information and there's only be like you know two co-chairs Peter Safran James Gunn is probably someone they knew and they were probably like, busted for that on Valentine's Day, Todd Phillips shared some joker fully. I do images and he says that the trailer is coming in April. So those excited for the Joker sequel can check these images out with the Joker and Harley Quinn, Joaquin Phenix and Lady Gaga. looks like they are madly in love.

Make into some madly because the other crazy people. But it is cool to see the full joker makeup on Joaquin Phenix this time the full Yeah. I'm curious what the. Lady Gaga effect is going to have on the box office overall. I mean, the first Joker movie was incredibly successful. Well, I am curious how much of the like drama around the release, you know, kind of juiced some of those numbers because like, somebody is going to watch this movie and going to go. Like blow up a hospital.

Like there are some crazy. Stuff people are throwing around when that first Joker movie came out and then it just like all of those, like, worries, like, just died in an instant of like, yeah, nobody's doing that. It's actually a fairly competent movie and it's good. But when you throw like a Lady Gaga effect into it, is it going to be exponential? Is it going to make even more money? Because that first one who had made a pretty. Penny and a lot of it was profit.

So I'm curious to see how this one is a box office. Is this going to be the movie that financially. Pays for all of James Gunn's projects? It could. Here's my concern. Is this a musical and I don't mean that I'm concerned as a musical, but this is movie musical, and they're hiding it from us because then you show up and you're expecting the movie and you get a musical like that's going to really be a bad thing if they don't. It is a musical now. That's what I have.

That's what happened to me, girls. That's why I'm of the Mean Girls remake. No one knew it was a musical. They went and nobody saw it. Like, you know where the people are. They're. They're mad. So like, it's fine if it's a musical, I don't care. Go for it. Have a good time. This movie shouldn't even exist. It's. It's pure luck that the guy from the Hangover movies is getting two Joker movies and has two very, very popular actors and a musician in it as a mean role.

So if you want to do a musical, hell, go on, have a musical. It's crazy. But like looking at these images, like the first one is it's got this very studio like, set around them, right? Like it very much like a, Hey, this is a two person. We're focusing on them in a play kind of feel, right? The second image is more, you know, as it's a prison kind of thing. Interesting.

But the third one, if you look in the background, that moon is fake, like this is all like 1920 sets behind them and it looks like they're dancing. So is it a musical yeah. Is this going to be. Just his vision of reality, what. He is seeing, or. Are we getting very experimental and it's just going to be up to the the audience's interpretation. Like you you hit it perfectly. Chris This movie shouldn't exist. This franchise is. So out of the. Ordinary. There's no rules. To it, right?

Like, there's no cinematic universe that's going to be built around Joaquin Phoenix's Joker because I don't. Want to call him like a flight risk. But I mean, I feel like this is the type of actor that gets tempted by other things often. Like Napoleon. Like, yeah, like other different roles. So I could easily this being his last outing as Joker. Yeah. If they somehow pull off a third one, I wouldn't be surprised either, Mike because no rules. Rules aren't applying to this movie at all.

So the third movie is going to be an experimental escape room. Yeah. That's what it's going to be. It's not even going to go to the theaters. You're going to to like, escape. The Joker's out, and that's going to. Be I think it's going to be like A Scanner Darkly where they rotoscoped the whole movie. that'd be kind of cool. Like they're going for different stuff. How can we push people away so much they actually want to come see the movie? Mike That's that's what they're shooting for here.

Honestly, look at this. What if it's through Harlequins point of view? Like, what if the movie is from Harlequins point of view and that's her vision of love on the rooftop, right? The moon. That's not his. So I don't know. There's a lot to question. I'm excited for the trailer, so we'll get that in April. According to Hype Films, one of the rumors from The Leaker earlier this week, James Gunn said at least one of these is not true. And the one that's not true is on in here pretty much.

But a Teen Titans movie is rumored to be a DC Studios. Cool, right? Like about time they brought, you know, competency to teen titans after that Titans show on HBO. Max. So I mean I'm not shocked. I mean, I think the Titans show on whatever the. DC streaming app was called before it got folded in. I don't even remember anymore. What a weird time in the streaming landscape. I mean, I think it was it was obviously successful. Enough to get multiple seasons I didn't keep. Up with.

Yeah, but so is Pennyworth. So and then the. The feverish fan base around the original kind of animated Teen Titans show. And then. There's a whole generation of. Children that grew up on Teen Titans Go. So the audience ready for something more. Cross generational. Here. Yeah on the big screen and I think this is a great storytelling avenue I mean just watch the animated series of Young Justice.

It's a great way to kind of get your audience into a superhero universe because these characters are there. It's almost like the new class, right? They don't really know how everything's working. They need to go through training. They need things explained to them. It's a great like it's like a great position for an audience to be in, to be like taught the rules of this universe.

One of the benefits of James Gunn kicking off Superman legacy with superheroes already existing in this world is they can have their mentors already in the DCU, right, without having to have standalone movies, even though that would be preferred works better. But you thinking of, you know, Batman, the Brave and the Bold will have not regular Robin the other Robin Damian Wayne in it. Right. Like is that going to be like is this young Avengers but for DC because Marvel's teased Avengers.

That's a. Great point. I mean, the Supergirl casting that we talked about just the other week, a young actress as well, or at least I don't. Know her real age, but perceived to be young, played a relatively. Young character in the House of the Dragon, right? So yeah, that could be what they're working on. You got like. You got Parker in the. Hot Girls, Elizabeth Mahsud, which she's a young actor. I'm pretty sure she was in Madam. When is he? She met him?

Well, no, I mean, look, it's up anyway. Continue. All right? You you look it up. But, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Anya, Anya, Corazon, The girl who lived in the building with her is hot girl, and she looks very young. Yeah, So. Yeah. So we could. We could have a, Yeah, like a young, young justice. Teen titans, I guess. Teen titans. You'd really have to kind of change up the team, if you will. Like, you swap in, like, a Starfire for a supergirl. Is that what's happening there?

I'm not sure, but yeah. This opportunity here is what it is. So if that's for the audience and that's what the people are demanding, give it to them. Do something. You don't have to to ignore them and do whatever you want. I think there's opportunity there. The other rumor that came out of this is Plastic Man movie being written and or at least directed by Darren Aronofsky, who's probably writing too, if this comes to come true.

Now, for those not familiar with replacement, imagine the abilities of Mr. Fantastic. He can turn in the different shapes, twists, stretch, whatever. But he's very crass. He's not the scientific person Mr. Fantastic, is he? Is like a corn dog celebrity, if you will, Quite, quite different. Yeah. I mean, it's just the craziest part of this. Darren Aronofsky. Yeah, that's why I was like, It's not the character. It is. It is. It is plastic, man. I mean, I mean, do it.

I mean, I don't is this like a paycheck move? Is this just like he's feeling experimental in this phase of his career? I think the last thing he did was a movie in. The Sphere in Las Vegas. Like, was he just enamored with a gigantic screen real estate? And it's like, what if somebody was stretching across the sphere from corner to the corner? Imagine all of the pixels I could fill up with a plastic man in this. That would be hilarious. Plastic Man premiering in the sphere.

At the very least, an advertisement on the outside of the sphere. I mean, that's doable. Yeah, but yeah. Darren Aronofsky Like, very experimental. Okay, Yeah, I'll watch it. Yeah, it would definitely get a lot of attention on it. Hopefully it would be good and quality and I have no reason to doubt it wouldn't be. But boy, that's experimental, if you will, for, for a character that not many people are going to know about offhand. So if this comes to fruition, I'll let you guys know.

Right now DC have only announced half of their Slate one, which is Gods of Monsters. He might fall under the monster spectrum, if you will, but we'll keep you posted as more information comes up. Now we're going to step into Sony's world of Spider-Man. And we're not even to Madam Web yet. Mike, one bit of news here, which I think is the best bit of news, if I'm going to be completely honest, is Spider-Man noir. Right? We've talked about this movie at Amazon.

I believe in the works, but that's not even about Peter Parker. It's just kind of about someone who's playing this noir person in this. But Nicolas Cage is in Serie S talks to star in the series, so he would reprise his role as the Spider-Man No More that he voiced in Into the Spider-verse movie. So I'm. A I'm of two. Minds of this, right?

I mean, I like the idea of a healthier streaming landscape where companies are kind of selling ideas and TV shows to other streamers, because I feel like that's the best version of Hollywood where there's just lots of cross-pollination and promotion and it's not just all gated under one singular streaming app, but also at the same time of like, I mean, we're going to talk about Madam Web here in a couple of moments, but like, I can't trust anything coming out of out of out of Sony

Entertainment with Spider-Man unless Kevin Feige has his hands on it. So, I mean, Nic Cage, a fun. Element, right? That that piqued my interest. But it is intrigue that I did not have any intrigue about this. And then let like, Nicolas Cage, what could he do? Like, you know, is it is it the version of his character from into the spider-verse or is it, you know, is he just doing that because he had the voice, a voice role? He wants to keep playing it.

It definitely puts a bigger question like, this is on my radar now because before and I'm like, Absolutely not. This is this is a travesty. We shouldn't even be talking about this at this moment. But that's about the only good news I have kind of going forward from here on out on the show. The next bit of news is silk other Spider-Man show that they were working on Amazon. They did not revamp or they didn't start right away after that writers strike.

And there were some legal actions, but they sort of apparently scrapped the writers room. They're keeping the showrunners, Phil Lord and Chris Miller still on. This is an executive producer and they're retooling the show Silk to a male skewed audience, even though this is a teenage woman named Cindy Moon who has Spider powers. So what is that? What is I mean is that you have it down. Here in quotes of male skewed audience. Is this from an official source? Is this a rumor? Is this.

This this was this was this was the most official thing you could get without Amazon saying, yes, this is what we did kind. Of thing. I mean, like, what are were they did they think that the series was like, I don't know. Too woke or something? I don't know. That's that's a big red flag for me right there of like, we don't think we can get anyone to watch it unless we put this. Yeah. Because when I see this, I just imagine what's the.

What's the tightest latex uniform, you know, we can put on our, on our heroine and that kind of gives me a little bit of like skeezy the it's yeah. The problem is Amazon has too much fucking data. Who's buying these books? Who's who, who's looking this up? Who's you know, what interest is there.

So my, my concern is they have too much data to think that men are just looking up this and not really looking at how do we make a good product at the end of the day to every audience member, not just men. I again, I don't know what the first version of it is. So, you know, was it, you know, just the daily life of a teenager with Spider Powers who happened to be a girl this time? Like we've done that with males?

So I don't I don't know what even the first one was even say, why is this one special for men? Also, if you if you purely just follow data, it's the tail. Wagging the dog, right? Yeah. If you look at the data, Yeah, we have this hyper violent comic book show called The Boys. And then we have an animated one called Invincible. You know, that skews, I would say, male, even though I'm sure there's plenty of women that watch it and enjoy it as well. But yeah, if you're looking.

At that data, but like you got to give you have you have to have a breadth. Of other content if you're going to be like a big streaming service. So it's just, it's just weird. Like there is nothing inherently. Wrong necessarily with scrapping a writer's room if the show is just not working. But for this kind of quote to kind of be like leaked out or disseminated, like you're not doing yourselves any favors, right? Well, yeah, you're I think you're honestly limiting your product, right?

Like, you should just make a good show regardless of who's going to watch it. Because if it's good enough, people are going to watch it. You don't need to say, we need we. It needs to be male oriented. Okay. Well, yes, most comic book readers are probably dudes, but that doesn't mean all your stuff should be focused towards men. Right? Also, just like.

Almost everything Spider-Man related, the best version of it is happening in the PlayStation video game universe right now, and it's heavily implied that this character is going to be coming to maybe the next Spider-Man game or the next next Spider-Man game. So I'm I'm just holding out for hope for that is going to be the best kind of introduction to, like, mainstream. This character is going to be that video game. And hopefully it comes out sooner than the show does.

So we'll keep we'll keep our fingers crossed on that one to keep us posted. All right. Now, the main event everyone has been waiting for this episode and I applaud them for that. You down the. Hatches, tighten your webs, see if you can stick to the wall. Okay. Yes. So he came. Out. Madam Web, Sony's spun. This is a spun movie, as we know. The last week, Sony Pictures of that was a universe of Marvel movies. Marvel movies. Yeah. So they only own Spider-Man characters.

So it's only really Spider-Man people matter. Web has has hit theaters, came out on Valentine's Day. I went and saw my wife when I went on Valentine's Day, which, you know, is just fine if you want to go theaters. Valentine's is a good good day to go. It was it was wasn't romance. Was it romantic, Chris, before we even get into the content, any any room, any sparks flying? No, because. Because best gal sitting right now here's. The problem.

Valentine's Day. It doesn't have to be that goddamn day as well. I tell people like, you can really just do it the weekend before the weekend if it's probably cheaper to do on any other day but Valentine's Day and do the same things. But it was the first day they had it. So obviously we went on the Wednesday after I said, Do you really want to go to this movie? Yeah, sure. You want to go to the movie?

Yeah. Okay. We'll go to the movie and then, you know, maybe Mike, we should do is revisit our story from the top of the episode. Because I watched this movie on Wednesday. I sat all Thursday thinking about it, talking to people in my office about it, because a lot of people thought this was an actual Marvel movie. And that concerns me for for the most part, because that just again, we're in this so much like the Deadpool, people don't know regular people don't know that this is not Marvel.

Marvel like, right. Like it's all over the trailers in association with Marvel. Regular people don't know this is not a marvel movie. And that is concerning on a level. And and. Rumors report that even the people in the film. Didn't know it was a marvel movie. As well. Absolutely. So he said the you know, all the Thursday thing about this, come Friday morning, I was like, I have I have to tell Mike what I feel about this movie and really prevent him from going.

Because at the end of the day, I'm mad at this movie. I don't get it. I told Mike this my words, I'm the more forgiving of the two of us. And do you agree when it comes to most of the stuff. And incredibly forgiving, you are the type of. Person that can. You can find, you can find the. Joy, you can find the, you know, the bright flower petals in the middle of the weeds of pretty much any superhero property. And I'm usually the one coming in like a dump truck

that says, you know, light this field on fire. Yeah. So I was very surprised to hear you kind of. Break our code of silence of just like, I don't think you should pay money to see this movie. And I'm like, Wow, okay. Yeah. And then Mike said, You're inadvertently hyping me up. I'm like, Okay, oops, I think I've gone the wrong way. But but at the end of the day, I think I came down to this because I've recently gone too young. I'm in the process of scheduling to get my wisdom teeth taken out.

I've had root canals less painful than watching this movie, Mike And and I hate to be mean. I think every I took bad films in college. That's how I opened most of the things. I took bad films in college. I can find 5 minutes of good out of the worst movie. As you mentioned, I can find 5 minutes, a great of the best movie as well. This movie literally less than 5 minutes. And I'm like, God, what have I done? Like, I literally I think I think I said something out loud.

And my wife kind of looked at me. She's like, You're Right. I'm like, No, no, I'm not. I can't I can't wait to talk about. The specifics because I'm curious if it's the exact same moment where I thought, this is this movie is going to be. And if. You don't usually. Watch or listen to our normal review episodes, we're giving, we're giving it to you right now spoiler free. But but trust us, this won't last long and we're going to switch right over and spoilers just.

Because there's just. Some things we got. I feel we could almost go almost spoiler free or spoiler the whole thing because you either watch us or you're not by this point. And I think time's up. Like if you're not, watch it, you're not going to see it. But we'll maintain spoiler free. It hard. It is so hard for me to find a redeeming thing about this movie to talk about. And I will say, people ask me, Where do you rank it? What's your reading?

Yeah, I give it a I mean, if I give morbius a one out of five Mike, for example, because we all know we already have that review, this is a 1.1 out of five and you may ask me, how do you rate this above? Morbius Morbius has the ability of like the main actor Jared Leto thinks he's the best actor in the entire world and he's doing us a favor by doing this. Matt Smith thought he was in an MCU movie the whole time and was doing his best thing. But at the end of the day, that is everything.

It's just predict. It's so well done is boring, right? Like, there's nothing that elevates it. The point one that this movie gets is me wondering how the hell this movie happened because I have more intrigue about the production and what happened on the way to get this to cinemas than I do Morbius Morbius. I understand this. I'm scratching my head walking out of the theaters saying like, I'm literally I don't react in a theater.

I don't like to give away my things, but I'm like physically groaning out loud in this movie the whole time. I agree. This movie gets a slight artifice bump just. Because it's almost like a case study. It's like an experiment gone wrong. Whereas like Morbius, you can kind of see everything written on the wall. It just feels like one of those, like more ancient comic book movies where you're just killing the typical beats and you're just cashing in on nerds coming into the theater.

Where this one, it's a little it's a little different. Yeah, I, I just beat to find something redeeming in this movie. Adam Scott refreshing actor I have nothing. I have no qualms with what he did in this movie, right. With what he was given. I think he's a great actor and he's somehow pulled off his role very well. How about that? That's that's one good thing there. There you go. I will also say that in this movie, as you see from the trailer Madam Web, she can, you know, predict the future.

And, you know, they have to redo scenes, right, Because she's redoing scenes over and over again, like, hey, I see the future. So I'm to change something. I see if you're going to change something. Right. They were able to I think when they reset these these shots and redid the things that's actually competently. Well done. I felt they were able to redo the scenes. I mean, saying, that's a little different than last time. I think that's a, you know, technical accomplishment here.

I think those two things. Do I have a third thing? I don't think I do. I don't think I can. I don't think I could do a compliment sandwich on this movie. If the rule of. Threes cannot even be applied to this movie. But all I want. To do is get us into the spoilers as fast as possible. So I will just simply agree with this is not a good movie. So let's. Talk. I just don't see it. Just don't see it. That's all I would say. Don't pay money. Wait until it's on streaming and watch it free.

Do not pay to get this. Movie because if Sony is using any sort of analytics to make decisions, we. Don't want to sway numbers in their direction if we don't have to. Yeah, so I'll throw up the flash and yes. Let me put let me put the time code in here about spoilers because no one's going to pay attention to it. Let's get it going. So, Chris, the moment for me at. The beginning of this film that just my jaw was just kind of like, what is happening?

I want to I want to possess, I want to posit because Mike Live texted me this entire movie, so I have a good idea of what's going on. The only way I'm going to get any joy out. Of this film if I just essentially live tweet with an audience of one, which was Chris, and I'm sure he was busy during the day because I got very. Little response from him. But I was like, No, he has to put up with that. that's funny. If he told me to watch this from.

The comfort of my own couch, he's going to get every internal thing. And that is fine. I just the things you said. How do I even react to that? There's no reaction to it. I'm like, Yeah, yeah, I know. I say, thumbs up. I agree. When the spider people descend from the trees was the moment I was shocked of what is happening now. No. It it was before that. It was well before that actually.

Whenever her mom was researching spiders in the Amazon before she died, that she screams in pain because she's now what, 400 weeks pregnant or so, Something like that, taking from looking for the spider. And literally she screams in pain because obviously the baby's moving or something like that. And the audio is different. Like the ADR cuts are like whatever her scream is, cuts off the ADR audio that was going on right before it.

And I'm like, they didn't even have the the editing time to put in like, like background audio to make this smooth and seamless jungle says they just they're just chopping it up like, this is the first chop. I can't wait to see the rest of the Chopped in this movie. And they come at you a mile a minute. But yes, this movie not ready even before the spider people make the dude, the villain goes in like, Hey, I'm going to rummage through her stuff.

And then she immediately finds a spider within 5 minutes of the movie starting saying, Hey, I found the spider I've been looking for for months along the way. Like. And it's not. Explaining things to us. It's not even like a very realistic looking spider. Like they like. Really beef. Up like the I don't know if you want to call it the thorax. The pointy part at the end of the spider, the dangerous part it's like so oddly. Animated, it. Sticks out so strangely.

You almost you almost expect it to be a bigger part of the movie. And then the spider really never. Comes back again. I thought it was going to kind of be the linchpin item. Or something like that. No, I was like, No, I was even maybe even expecting like a tie. In to like Oscorp. Like maybe like Oscorp, like takes the spider or there's going to be some tie in there. Like, absolutely no if. Of course, I don't buy Pepsi. They don't want no part of it. You don't want to go part of it.

Like this whole spider clan in the jungle is just insane. I don't understand how any of this. Makes it through. Executive producers. Creative team gets it through the ladder, it gets pitched. It's just absolutely my. My guess is this wasn't pitched. My guess is and what's her name? Dakota Johnson said this when she signed up for a movie. The script went through a bunch of reworks after they signed up for it. So they had a probably a pretty good script to start.

And then they just were like, Now we don't want to make that. What's the cheapest thing we can do? Let's have some flashes of people in like web garb over them who live the jungle income, run across trees and have superpowers. And the costuming is so weird because they were like, okay, so we need some sort of like primitive. Costume to kind of allude to this franchise that we're trying to milk. But these are these are jungle dwellers. They should.

Be in like, you know, loincloths for lack of a more appropriate. Thing once. Or twice. Yeah, exactly. But no, you look at their costumes and it just looks like somebody something cobbled together for Comic-Con. Like, there's like it almost like, there's, like, plastic pieces. There's like, silicone, like black wedding. Nothing looks organic about it at all. So it's just like, why? Why? And then also, why does the bad guy say a similar proto looking Spider-Man costume? We don't we hardly know.

Anything about the antagonist to begin. With. So why does he even need a costume as well? Like, there's no explanation. To the antagonist at all. And since I'm on this. Train of thought as well, why does he also have the worst American. Accent that I've ever heard in my entire life. Yeah, I had to look him up. French born actor, apparently pretty. Prestigious, has had some really great roles overseas. So I'm assuming he took this for a paycheck So get that bag. But this is great.

I don't know what. He's trying to do with this accent. It is crazy. So so the two things. Number one, don't ask why you're asking why in this movie you're going to get answers. You're not going to get any. And I think that's the wrong way to look at it, because no, whatever it came out of this is either gone to so many hands or nobody's hands and nothing will make sense ever. It is rushed.

There are things that are missing that should be here as as a film requires you to tell you who your character is, or at least show you doesn't do any of that. But the the voice, I think all of us, I think all of his lines are adored. I think he had an accent issue or did not have an accent in the first one and then went and added something, interchanged it because almost all of his lines are ADR. If you look at him, his mouth does not line up with any of the audio.

So I mean, who even knows if that's specific to him? Because as you said at the beginning, Chris, there is so much ADR in this. This film is chopped and screwed. This is a chopped cheese sandwich with no seasoning or too much seasoning. Don't really know what approach you want to take. To it, but. Just absolutely wild. I am so lenient.

And in movies in general when it comes to performances because I feel like if everything else in the movie is at least competent, I can kind of let myself go and fall back into the zone of just like I am myself, a horrible actor. It is a very hard thing to do. So even if somebody is just almost like reading lines off of a cue card with no emotion, I can I can let it slide. But there is absolutely. No enthusiasm being brought. To any role from any character.

You've got four leads, essentially Madam Web in the three girls, right, who have to bond with each other. And they they what's her name? Dakota Johnson, I think is is trying her the way she speaks as to how she speaks like in real life to you. So I don't know how much that carried over, but even the the three ago, Sidney Sweeney playing like a 15 year old, even when she's like clearly mid twenties, doesn't come off very well. Maybe because we know her from beforehand.

But none of these girls, you know, they're just they probably got scripts the day of Mike because it feels like they are reading lines and then like one like, okay, practices. Okay, that's our take. Actually. We're going to we're going to get out of here. It really is baffling how these actresses who have good things under their belt, who do good things, are just, you know, relegated to like very poor iterations in this movie. Right.

Feels like they did the the practice take and like, okay, that's the one we're using. Yeah. Just very like. Boring teenage archetypes as well. They just lean into just these old ideas. Maybe because supposed to take place in the two. Thousand or the nineties, is it supposed to make plays that I could not get out of my head the whole time? This was the game. That I was playing that kept me engaged through the insanity of.

We had been reporting on this movie for a couple of years now and it was always intended, at least as far as we know, to be set in the nineties. And if you do the math. Correctly, because I went and I looked up all that, I looked up the different Spider-Man, the. Only Peter Parker's. That exist out there in the universe, if you kind of subtract their teenage. Years to them, none of them. Align to 23.

There's like there's, there's not like a Tom Holland age Spider-Man, there's not a Andrew Garfield that align with 2003 as like a birth date. So whatever. Peter Parker this is supposed to be, it's not one that we've theoretically. And to be honest, they, they said it's not connected and boy, is it not connected to anything else. Chris If you take Andrew Garfield.

In his first Amazing Spider-Man film, which is supposed to be a 17 year old Peter, you subtract that from the year the movie comes out, sets you right in 1995, which I believe is maybe when this movie was supposed to originally be set. Because I understand in New York City, in Queens, once the millennium. Rolls around, it's not like everybody's throwing away their cars from the nineties. It's not like they crush them in a compactor and they all.

Get new 2000. Cars. But every scene in this movie, like it's it's it's oozing nineties as much as they can. And then they are force feeding you. Like 2000s references deals like with like postproduction you know well. The that well there's a whole scene of dude playing the PSP as you mentioned which didn't come out until two five which is often. Yes I looked it up I did research. Other than Britney Spears toxic that they're dancing to that song.

They come out 2003 and that feels like something that was added in later because that scene doesn't the whole thing doesn't sound right Every all the other songs are about, you know, eighties or nineties, right? Like nothing like all the songs feel like, this is supposed to be said that they bought the licensing for the music, then refix it later and like we got to use the songs for this which which is wild. Can I talk about cars for a second. There's a scene where she steals a taxi.

Okay, fine. That's great. That works. There's lot of taxis. Then she pulls into a dark alley, pops the off the taxi. Two things, the taxi identifiers on top of the taxi, not the place they're looking for. The taxi, they can find it. They can tell you anything about that they. Can find the taxi identifier. Number two, there are so many taxis in New York and they say we have a stolen taxi. Do you think they'd be looking for the one without the plates to be run? More than the ones with it?

Because they'd have to run every taxi out there in the world. So this is crazy. And then correct me if I'm wrong, when she steals a taxi, drops the girls and goes back to her apartment to to look at her mom's notes, that's the same day, Correct. Like the kids are out there like 3 hours. She said 3 hours. But I want to say because when they get into the woods, it's still daylight. Right? But she says, I'll be back. Give me 3 hours, I think is what she said. Yes, Correct.

They walked to a diner 2 hours in, let's just say. Right to to do this. The guy is reading a newspaper about some girls being abducted from 3 hours ago already. Listen, The Daily Bugle, they're not worried about quality. They're worried about quantity. They get those. Newspapers out every hour. There's 12 editions every day. That's 20 B 24, Mike. But that's fine. We're not we're not holding you against time here, but my God. Jesus Christ, this hurts to talk about this. This hurts so bad.

We're not saying like, I wish we were saying things. Knew that no one else on this movie has been beat to death on the Internet. So there's no hot takes here. This is these are not hot takes. These are everyone else's takes on this. Movies are cold. Delicious. Pepsi. Yeah. Pepsi killed. The villain. Pepsi kills them. Also, like I want to talk about the proximity of falls in this movie because the inciting incident for Dakota. Johnson Cassie, whatever her name is, is.

She is trapped in a car and falls approximately like 15 feet. I mean, I wouldn't want. To be in that situation in real life. But you got to amp up the. Stakes when you're in like an action film, right? Like, I like, okay, I get it that. She's in danger. But like, this is the thing that kind of is the catalyst of like, kind of her powers igniting. I would expect a. Much. Further fall from a bridge in. Bridge falls from cars or an iconic staple. Of Spider-Man movies.

But they seem to happen at a little bit more. Of a dangerous height as well. So very, very odd. And then also the main villain who is shown to us to be. Superpowered in a way like he is, he is superhuman. He is very strong. I find it shocking that he. Dies by falling of like. Maybe a three story building. I understand a big. Letter fell on him as well. But to the. P I believe from Pexels him. Yeah. Yes, I think it's the second. He's. He's. He's a squash spider, Mikey. The squash.

Yeah. They're the Pepsi corporate. Brand style guide says only. The second. Pepsi is allowed to be lethal. The first P That's the hero P. That can't be killing villains. Now. Yeah, the villain. The villain is awful all around. You know, he's using new technology in 2003 with camera clarity that we did not have in 2003. Yeah, honest. And and and even if this was supposed to be taking place. In like also 1995, that's.

Even more of a stretch. Yeah. And I understand we as a society are more and more removed. From 2001 of 911. But a New York City two years post, 911, they every. Institution in that city would have been just drenched in some sort of anti terrorism patriot act, something. Some one of these firefighters would have brought. Up something that happened. It's just it seems so weird not to talk about it at all.

But back in 2000. Well, as you mentioned, that explained why there were so many cops there in the subway. Yeah, that's the only reason to explain. Like ten uniformed officers on a subway platform, an. Empty subway platform. my God. Yeah, That's like I thought that was how I. Felt watching. The movie. Like, was there some sort of magic happening? Like, I understand the. Spider guy who's crawling on the. Ceiling. He's hard to see, but they made it sound like he was literally invisible and nobody.

Else could see him. Where it's like, Do they know Dakota Johnson launched these officers, like into the subway tubes with her super powered like punches. And I know somebody else was there. So it was just weird. That they really leaned until like she. Kidnaped three teenage girls. Can you believe. The whole plot point? The whole thing is, you know, there's a a baby shower scene. Mike, I hope you get to go through this exact same thing at some point with this baby. Right.

The whole point of this movie is she doesn't she doesn't like people and she doesn't want to interact with people. Right. That's wrong. Doesn't like to quote she doesn't like all this family stuff. Yeah, but I would say even earlier on, right. Like a kid tries to give a drawing for saving his mom or whatever, and she's like, what do I do with it? And he's like, Just take it, throw it away. It was just like any any regular person would do that. What a psychotic. Thing to be like. what is this?

Yeah. Like, so it was like the whole point. So, like, you know, and then you find out that she has, like, a, you know, she's at her mom because her mom died, was working, didn't care about her when she was like, then you find that she had an incurable disease and that's why her mom was there. Like but they they overexplain all this shit to you, like, do this over and over, explain to it.

And the whole point of it is she's supposed to take these girls who have no family and become a mother figure to them, Right? Like I get what the whole like the through line is, but it is the worst way to get there like, throughout the whole thing. The kids don't care. Like they're not what they're doing. When she says don't do anything stupid four times and then the first thing they do with something stupid, I'm like, Well, yeah, course they're kids. Like, I can.

Understand her coming across one abandoned orphan child. Right? But to come across three in. The same day that all need a surrogate mother to help them is outlandish. Who is going to also all three of them kill that dude in the same apartment he's living in. Just move apartments. Your vision. Will change. And it's like. It's like. I understand that they're trying to paint some sort of, like, destiny paint brush over all of this, but it's just absolutely wild.

And I was prepared to. Not like this movie. Right. You know, we all of the the the red flags were going all over the place. So we were prepared for this crest. So we're not surprised that this movie is bad. But I cannot believe the gall that they had to lean so heavily into a couple flashforward scenes to put all of these costumed spider people into the trailer like. And that's all we it's always souls. Yeah, that's all we get.

There's I, I wish I could have found like a higher resolution final shot where you get to see all of them and. It's. Like, madam, where you. Can find someone on Twitter. It's all movies on Twitter, by the way, if you want to. It's just it's crazy. I can only just talk. About the things as they pop into my head of firework. Flies through. The building. Torpedoes through the water. And smacks her in the face. And that's how she became. We have two blinders.

And then somehow she's also in a wheelchair or how did she get in the wheelchair? Why she way she crippled. Yeah, it's just like the the mace Windu redirected. Lightning more believable for how the emperor gets his weird wrinkly face. Yeah. Then, madam, with this transformation and I love how she's in that weird, like, robotic wheelchair automatically to. Like, she's. She's all like. She's all into it. Ready to go. She's got weird. She's got the. Ray-Bans or the Oakley.

And obviously they're like, here's what we get for groceries. And she's like, I know what you got for groceries. And they're like, This is really annoying. Could you stop doing that? Like, like she doesn't need to tell us that she knows the future. We get that She knows the future. That final scene. Where they're in that kind of like almost cyber punky apartment and they're all just. A spider, a window loft that she's. That should have been where that that should have.

Been where the movie started. I loved the cheesiness of everything that's happening in that final scene. Like Dakota Johnson is like you know, operating on this aura of, like, mystery and all knowingness. And then like, these teenage girls. Like, yeah, this is just like our new mom. This is so fun. Let's eat like Chinese food. This is going to be this is going to be great. Like and like. I cannot conceive any reasonable. Scenario of how these three teenagers get their superpowers because.

They're all so unique and dumb. Like, Yeah, yeah, What I can only imagine the hilarious whoops that if this movie. Is financially successful and gets a sequel, how they get their powers, like in. A comic book, all of these characters. Kind of are introduced in like different eras, decades issues. They all have like. Reasons for exist. And Exactly. Yeah. But to have it all happen all at once is just going to. Be so silly. I thought maybe that they were. Going to get some of like.

The poison in them from the bad this and almost. But then like Madam web, like somehow like revive them and then with. Chest compressions. Get these they cannot handle. More than chest compressions. Their CPR skills are absolutely useless because it takes three of them just to do a normal amount of compressions to bring somebody back to life. Yeah, well, yeah. So this whole movie is about the web of destiny, right?

Like, everyone's got their connect somehow, but they didn't even think that these three kids, you know how, how are we going to tie them in here? Because he only sees them in the future. He doesn't know how they get there. If I was still, like in this movie that did it better. Have you ever seen the movie next with Nicolas Cage, where he can predict by 2 minutes into the future, except when he's like with one lady, but he can see Father when she's, like, near him?

Like, No, but but there's other similar kind of. Yeah. Groundhog esque movies that have come out recently. Like. Like lived, I repeat, like. Yeah. And also like there's, like a, there's like a fun kind of. Like slasher college movie. I don't remember the name of it, but she's reliving the same day. happy day. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So there's people have done this. That should be. Her. That should be her powers, right? Her powers should be. I can see the future.

Let me let me just reset with redo it again. Not. Hey, I can split into three people and just kind of prop these kids up on their, like, support beans until I get kicked by a dude who's much stronger than me. Like, Whoa, whoa, whoa. this is awful. What did you say? The internet said her power was to say, Watch out her. Her power, her Madame webs. Magic power is just to yell. Get down, get down. Because she has no real ill kind of use for. Power except for avoidance.

She Madame Web is how I. Play Super Smash Brothers. I hold the shield button. And I roll around left and right until somebody gets to like 300% and I can just manage to get a smash. And I. Know that is what Dakota. Johnson is doing this. She's putting her shield on her reflector. She's she's spamming the projectile button because that's all she can really do. And then suddenly she can split into three people. I thought it was going to be. More clever in the end.

you can be in three places at once. I thought she was going to kind of do some sort of like multiversal time travel. Thing and, and all she did. Is she like split into three like Naruto. They could have done the doctor. Strange thing where she sees all the different visions. Right. And like there's one where I can save the girls like this is it. Let's do it real fast. And then, like.

Like she may not be more powerful than him, but she has to really, like, block him because she knows what he's going to do every time. Like there's a whole thing there. I do want to share an anecdote. I just never did share that someone he knows, and I'm trying to be very vague here. He knows who that he knows who this is said that someone that he knows who has the worst taste in movies is talking. It was talking to him about how good madam was.

Yeah. Anyway, so one of the things that he said, he says at the end of it, quote, So then she tapped into her brain powers and has to defeat Venom. Okay, I can see how someone would get this, but that was a very funny line from someone who's like, this is Venom. This this bad guy is venom. And I'm. Yep, he looks like venom, doesn't he? He looks just like venom. So. Chris, this is we are butting. Up against what is called. The rule of large. Numbers where.

If you get enough sample size of anything people. You know, scenarios, you're bound to find every scenario to be true. So, yes, there are. Factions going to be some number of people that enjoyed. This. They're going to be they're going to be contrarians as well, like, it's actually cinematic art. I'm like, Yeah, it's just wild like. And obviously Morbius I feel like is the best direct comparison that we have just because it's from the same studio, same. Writers. From the same spam universe.

Yes same writers involved as well, even though I believe other writers are credited on this. Yeah, well, you're like in the list of order, so we'll never truly know the current makeup of the script with all of the rewrites. I don't I can't blame writers because this movie, if the initial script was what discouraged and signed on to and it changed that bad, I can't blame any writer that I know of offhand because I'm like, I don't know who did this.

Yeah, I do have to say, if if my head canon holds. True and you know, Dakota Johnson signed for this movie, read the script, saw the writing on the wall that this is a dumpster fire. So she approached every scene with just absolute apathy and just wild weirdness and. You can her press tour. Videos are so fun to watch because she's so apathetic, she. Has no sense even know the Spider-Man movie titles. I think it went. Like, yes, yeah, she was ass and she was just making up.

She's so she's just having a blast. And she knows that like, this is in her past. I feel like she's she to her therapist. It's just like, just let it go and they. Embrace it and they can't make fun of you for it if you're embrace. She's really taking it to heart. So I feel like she's in on the joke and the single best moment in this movie which I think is actually legitimately funny and but not worth watching the whole movie for the whole scene in.

The movie where she finally runs into the three girls and tells them you're in danger. You got to get off this train. So they get off the train and then they hop onto another train. And that's when she runs into a guy that she just. Told to also get off the train. So now he's confused and he's like, Wait a minute, am I on the right train? And she just goes, I don't know, and then walks by that was legitimately fun, comedic timing. If somehow you could just. Bottle that and make it.

The entire movie. We would have been having some fun. My I will end with the scene that the Katniss office near the very end and I think I told you this there's a scene where she's in the hospital with bandages on her eyes and the girls are with her and the other talking, my God, it's over. You know, we have each other. A nurse walks in to check on this person, right? And they're like, are you immediate family? And she's like, They're mine.

And then the nurse just turns around and fucks right off, like, doesn't even do nurse things. Like literally they set this whole scene for her to say they're mine, Like they're her family. Mom, we know you don't have to tell us. We get it. We got it. We saw the movie. But that part just like. Like the most audible groan I've ever done in movie theater. Mike I've seen bad things, but like, that moment just pushed me right over the edge.

I'm like, I can't wait to leave and go, you know, be miserable thinking about this movie at home. Chris Chris said this this whole this whole film is already on Twitter. I came across some pretty funny compilations of just wild out of control line reads from the characters. Yeah. So I think there is entertainment to be found from this film, but not in the traditional sense of what ticket and going.

What I saw is that this is going to be one of those movies you get with your friends and set and make fun of like in your home, like you're eating popcorn, you're having dinner together, like the Thor, a stupid movie. You make fun of it, like talk over it. This is going to be one of those movies because it's that it's not so bad. It's good. It's not that it's so bad. It's bad. And you have to laugh at it because it's so bad and it doesn't know it's so bad.

And I think that if this movie has a home, it will be in with the likes of the room and showgirls where people go watch us to make fun of it together, because the camaraderie, as you texted me, is what saves you from it during this movie, throughout the whole thing. But it does not give me any hope for Craven. It does not give me any hope for Venom. Three could probably be better than this because I think Tom Hardy has like more control than than anybody else.

But like, it's not going to be great. But like, I have no hope for Craven after watching this at all. So Spam has done it again. My kids just ruined my day through. Went through. Well, if you have nothing else, that is the episode we like. You said a little bit of a little bit of a double double Big Mac, if you will. Sighs episode. But if people know what you're up to, what you're doing, then find Yeah. Yeah, they can find my webcomics at least.

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