Ep. 9 Getting Things Done
SUMMARY KEYWORDS
action, inbox, organize, mental, system, calendar, physical, put, space, review, category, mind, tray, item, email, success, tickler file, project, folders, list
SPEAKERS
Michael Bauman
Michael Bauman 00:01
You fall exhausted into your bed at the end of the day. " Today was a whirlwind!" you think to yourself. You felt pulled in a million directions at once. And every time you started to work on something, whether that was a project for work, or whether it was just the dishes, it seemed like you were snatched away by the kids, or some other pressing matter that demanded your immediate attention. You were busy all day, and barely had any time to rest or even sit down. But when you think back over your day, and you ask yourself, what did I accomplish? Yes, I was busy. But what did I actually get done? Unfortunately, all you hear back are crickets.
Michael Bauman 00:40
We've all been here before. When we look back at our day and really think about what we accomplished. It can be difficult to nail anything down, even though we felt like we were busy all day. So in today's episode, we're going to talk about how you can implement a system. If you don't know by now I love systems. And this system if you consistently execute it, it helps you never feel like that again. This is a system that helps you get things done.
Michael Bauman 01:11
How does our definition of success shape how we live our daily lives? Join me Your host Michael Bauman as we create a life of success by exploring the cutting edge research in happiness motivation, psychology philosophy. Welcome to Success Engineering!
Michael Bauman 01:29
Ralph Waldo Emerson says, "As to methods there may be a million and then some, but principles are few. The man who grasps principles can successfully select his own methods. The man who tries methods ignoring principles is sure to have trouble."
Michael Bauman 01:46
David Allen's Getting Things Done method or the GTD method is based on the principle that if something's on your mind, your mind isn't clear. So the whole premise for his entire system is to transform all the stuff that we have on our mind into a clear inventory of meaningful actions, projects, and information we can actually use. Essentially, anything that pulls on our attention, takes up some portion of our mental space.
Michael Bauman 02:16
And he defines these as open loops. This can be something as simple as thinking about how you need to take out the trash, or it can be something like the logistics required to close a multimillion dollar deal. Every single one of these open loops, whether they're really big or small, is actually being tracked by a less than conscious part of ourselves.
Michael Bauman 02:34
He says we need to use our mind to actually get things off our mind. Essentially, we create an external brain that's able to store all of these open loops and the action items associated with them.
Michael Bauman 02:47
We do this with a five step process. So first, we capture every single thing that is pulling at our attention, every single thing. And then we put this into our "inbox". Second step, we clarify what each of these items means and what to do about it. So essentially, what outcomes we want to achieve, or what done actually means, and then the next action to get us there. The third step is we organize all of these things into a system outside of our brain to then free up a ton of mental space. Fourth step, this shows us all our options, and then the actions that we reflect on. And then the fifth step, ultimately determines which one we engage with or which one we want to do right now. So essentially, we're turning inputs into action steps by defining what done actually means in a system outside of our brain to free up a bunch of mental space.
Michael Bauman 04:11
Sounds pretty helpful, right?
Michael Bauman 04:13
Incredibly! There's usually an inverse relationship between how much something is on our mind, and how much it's actually getting done. In a lot of the episodes leading up to this one, we are actually focusing on a top down approach. So talking about our goals, talking about the dream engineering, looking at 10 years in the future, our priorities, our values.
Michael Bauman 04:36
But he actually talks about the benefits of a bottom up approach. And so he says that most people are so embroiled in the commitments that they have on a day to day level, that their ability to actually focus on a larger horizon is pretty seriously impaired. And so he's found that a bottom up approach, which focuses on getting current and in control of everything that's on our mind. And in our in tray right now actually provides one of the best means of broadening our horizons. So it gives us the ability to think bigger, and dream bigger because we freed up mental space to do it.
Michael Bauman 05:12
In this episode, I'm going to talk about the entire productivity overhaul or the Getting Things Done system that you can implement from the ground up to gain incredible clarity and exponentially increase your efficiency. But the last thing that I want to do during this crazy time that we're in, is to put more things on your plate. So even if you just implement one or two of the things that I mentioned, you'll be surprised about how much clearer your mind is.
Michael Bauman 05:42
Here's the whole thing, and I'll give you a couple specific things that you can do if the whole thing feels too overwhelming. So first off, we're going to start with a setup and this is if you wanted to go through this whole method start to finish.
Michael Bauman 05:56
So the first thing you're going to need ideally is a decent block of time. So at least two to three hours, though it may actually take you more time, depending on how much of your life you want to tackle. And what's so great about the system is the more of your life you're able to tackle. You ideally want to get every single thing off your mind, then the better the system actually works for you.
Michael Bauman 06:20
So we want a large block of time, and ideally, minimize interruptions. So I know you're immediately thinking, you know, the kids are running around, you know, I'm at home. And that's a challenge right now. So it might be something where after the kids go down to bed, you set aside two to three hours try to crank through one step of this process, and you use a couple of days to actually get this whole thing done.
Michael Bauman 06:44
So the first step is you set up your physical space that you kind of use as your control center for doing this. So it's probably you know, your desk or the office that you're using already. It basically needs to have space for some sort of a writing surface. You have a bunch of room for an INBOX. So we're going to put all the things that are on your mind, along with some space for your computer and stuff like that. So probably the office that you hopefully have set up already.
Michael Bauman 07:13
Now different people rely to a varying degree on physical items like still relying on the paper, the forms, as opposed to online. And so the principles are the same with this, and I'll talk about some of the distinctions between the two. But even when you're starting off, it's a good idea to do this physically, as it provides a visual reference for some of the things that are helpful when you're accomplishing this method.
Michael Bauman 07:38
So some of the supplies you'll need physically are three paper holding trays, bunch of plain white paper, so just printing paper, have some sort of a marker or a pencil, a bunch of post it notes, you know, and then if you're doing a physical system, you'll want to have an automatic label or a bunch of folders so you can automatically label all of them. These folders, stapler your paper clips, scotch tape, the typical office supplies, a big calendar, if you're doing it physically, a huge wastebasket for everything that you'll just chuck out. And then any current tools that you use for capturing information. So that might be your phone, your to do lists, planners, notebooks, anything you have like that.
Michael Bauman 08:22
And then again, if you're doing it physically, you'll want to have filing cabinets where you can immediately put all of these folders that you're going to start creating. And then if you're doing it online as a bunch of different tools that you can use to create folders and lists and stuff online.
Michael Bauman 08:38
So once you have all of that stuff kind of set up, you want to move on to the first stage of the process, which is the capture phase. So this is capturing every single thing that you have on your mind and putting it into those in trays, the trays that you got to hold the paper in starting with your physical surroundings is a good idea to do first.
Michael Bauman 08:59
So you want to search your entire environment, essentially, for anything that doesn't permanently belong, where it is the way it is, and put that into your inbox. So let me give you example, you might have, you know, receipts lying on your desk, don't really know what you're doing with them, put it into the inbox, it might be something where, you know, you look at the wall, and you're like, I've been always been meaning to hang up that piece of artwork, right? Maybe you write a note saying hang up artwork, put it into your in tray. So this is everything that's incomplete. This is things you want to improve about your physical surroundings, anything that has an action tied to it, you know, a bunch of mail stacked on your desk, you know, sorting through that, putting that into the inbox.
Michael Bauman 09:44
So this phase, the thing you're focusing on is getting everything into the inbox. You're not purging, you're not organizing at this point. You're just getting everything into the inbox. Essentially, you're gonna create a massive pile of everything. thing in your life that you need to organize and categorize. Now the exception for things that wouldn't go in are your supplies, you can leave those; reference materials, books and things like that.
Michael Bauman 10:13
If you are wanting to change the organizational structure of them, write a note on a piece of paper saying I organize my manuals, and then decoration, you can leave on the wall, if you want to change anything without again, write a note, put it in the box, and then any equipment maybe it's, you know, fix the broken printer.
Michael Bauman 10:32
Some of the potential issues that you might run into during this, this this phase is getting derailed into kind of purging and organizing. That's not the focus of this initial phase, we want to just as quickly as possible capture everything that's on our mind, put it into the inbox, you might also have some things that are already organized. Now you can decide what you want to do with these but I would recommend actually putting those into the inbox as well or putting a note on them. So that everything is funneled through the same system.
Michael Bauman 11:03
Some something else you might run into is an item might be too big, you know, so it's a broken leg on a chair or something like that. This is where you write a note on those printer paper that you have. And then put that into the tray as a marker for an item that's too big, or goal get everything into in as quickly as possible.
Michael Bauman 11:24
So I want you to picture Tasmanian devil from Looney Tunes in Space Jam. When they just totally overhauled the entire gym, you want to go around like a little tornado essentially collecting everything that is on your mind and putting it into this inbox.
Michael Bauman 11:38
So this physical gathering phase, you want to start with a top of your desk, any forms, any papers, any mail, any receipts, stuff that you have on this desk, start putting it into that inbox, work your start on one end, work your way all the way around, just putting everything into the in tray. Anything that grabs your attention, anything that has an action associated with it, anything that doesn't belong there, put it into the inbox.
Michael Bauman 12:02
Then go through your desk drawers, same thing, put it in your inbox, your countertops inside your cabinets, think about your floors, the walls, decorations on your walls, shelves, anything that pops into your mind that, "Oh, that's a to do item that I've been meaning to get around to." Put a note on it. Again, if it's too big and put it in the inbox or tangibly, put it in the inbox, anything to do with equipment, things that are broken your furniture, rearranging stuff in your house, you know, light fixtures, and then you can even mentally think about other areas of your house where you can physically go through other areas of your house and use those things to trigger anything that triggers your mind.
Michael Bauman 12:46
Projects? Do you need to get done something that's been using up mental energy, you want to put a note about it, put it into the inbox. So that's your whole physical gathering stage and you can get an idea of the comprehensiveness of this project, but also how time consuming it will be if you do the complete thing, which is what is recommended, but I know during this time that may not be feasible.
Michael Bauman 13:09
So after you've done all your physical gathering, you've gone through everything, put everything in, that is grabbing your attention, or that does doesn't belong. Then you go through your mental space, and you gather everything from your mental space.
Michael Bauman 13:25
And what's recommended is you use these pieces of paper and you write out one idea per piece of paper, just so that you visually have everything from your physical and your mental space in this probably overflowing by this point in tray.
Michael Bauman 13:40
So some of the triggers that you can think about in the mental space are: professionally, what projects have you started? what needs to be completed? What projects do you need to start professionally? Do you have commitments to other people professionally? Are there customers or vendors that you need to talk with or communicate with? What other communications do you need to have done? This can be phone calls you need to make, emails, text message, physical mail, social media.
Michael Bauman 14:11
Then there's also other things that maybe you need to read or review. Maybe it's your updated insurance policy that you need to read and review, take all of these things and start clearing out that mental space.
Michael Bauman 14:24
So you're writing one idea per piece of paper, and then you're putting all of those into this in-tray. Some of the other things might be finances, so cash that you have bills, you need to pay budgets you need to do both professionally and personally: profit loss sheets, balance sheets, and then you have planning so this could be business plans or marketing, financial plans, upcoming events, presentations, meetings, conferences, travel, vacation,
Michael Bauman 14:53
Then your physical office space. Is there anything that you need to rearrange with your furniture or equipment that you have decorations supplies, maintenance, anything you need to do with cleaning any items that you're waiting for. So maybe that's a delegated project or a task or communication that you're waiting to hear back from. And then you want to do a similar thing with every personal project that you have or things that are taking up your mental space. So again, this is projects that you need to start, or projects that you've started but need to complete.
Michael Bauman 15:24
This is anything that has to do with service or community or volunteering or spiritual organizations, you're a part of responsibilities that you have. This is commitments that you've made to your partners or children, parents, friends, and then communications again, emails, letters, thank you cards, your writing texts, social media, any upcoming events, birthdays, anniversaries, graduations, dinners, appointments that you have, leisure.
Michael Bauman 15:53
Any books you've been wanting to read, music, movies, you've been wanting to watch, restaurants to visit, weekend trips, web pages to browse, hobbies, recipes, you know anything to do with your pet so you know getting the up to date on the vaccines or you know, getting pet food, any illegal stuff, anything to do with wills or lawyers, household items, any repairs, any maintenance you have on lights or landscaping stuff to do with your garage, walls, cleaning appliances, laundry, kitchen,
Michael Bauman 16:24
Stuff to do with your health. So doctor's visits, dentist visits, exercise routines, food, nutrition, their personal development, anything to do with transportation, maintenance, clothes, that you have professional clothes, casual clothes, sports, any of these things are triggering projects in your mind. errands you need to do shopping, grocery shopping stores, hardware, gifts you need to give, pharmacy things you need to pick up. bank transactions, repairs cleaning, stuff you need to do for the kids school or in your neighborhood.
Michael Bauman 16:59
Now with that list, you're probably getting overwhelmed. And that's completely normal. And the last thing we want to do is overwhelm you during this time. So again, it comes down to the mental energy, you have to completely overhaul this. And if not, at the end of the episode, I'm going to give you very tangible things that you can do; simple things that you can do to increase your productivity.
Michael Bauman 17:20
But if you have the time to do this, it's an awesome time to take what is happening with COVID and organize your life. So again, this whole process start to finish can take a couple days. So you want to make sure you have this time locked out, because the last thing you want to do is you want to collect all of this stuff, put it in your inbox, which is now overflowing, and then feel too overwhelmed to then do the next step of organizing it and getting it sorted out. So you want to make sure you have enough time and mental energy to be able to do those things.
Michael Bauman 17:52
So again, in this capture phase, you don't want to be doing the organizing "This can go there. This can go here, etc." You just want to get everything into that INBOX as quickly as possible. You'll know that you're done when you have nothing on your mind when you literally cleared everything out of your physical and mental space.
Michael Bauman 18:14
And then the next step, and this is really important, you need to not keep the things in that inbox! The inbox is just for capturing what's on your mind. Then we create a system that channels all of those things where they need to go.
Michael Bauman 18:28
So there's three rules for sorting your inbox: Always do the top item first. What you might find yourself doing is... maybe it's a tiny little receipt and down further in the stack, you see something that's more important, so you want to skip to that. But the only way that this works is if you treat everything equally because it's holding space in your mind, whether it's a little receipt or whether it's a massive business deal that you're working on or a marketing plan that you're working on.
Michael Bauman 18:56
So always do that top item first and only do one thing at a time. Only do one thing at a time! Don't skip down later on in the pile and try to do more than one things. Pick up one thing, then you have to ask yourself, what is this item? And what is the next action that needs to be associated with it.
Michael Bauman 19:15
You never want to put something back into this entry. Never ever, ever! You just want to take it out and decide what is the next action with it. You don't have to do that next action right now. But you have to decide what is the next action.
Michael Bauman 19:28
This is where most people have trouble. They might have a to do list that has call potential client on there. But the next physical action of that is making sure you actually have the phone number. So unless you actually have the phone number, there's still mental work that your brain is doing, trying to think of what is the next thing you need to do? So the next physical action is find the clients phone number. So with every item that we have in the inbox, we asked what it is, and then is there an action that needs to be done associated with it.
Michael Bauman 20:00
If there is, we ask what would done actually look like? What would the outcome that we want to have actually represent? And then what does doing look like? So what is the next physical action to accomplish it.
Michael Bauman 20:14
If there is no physical action associated with it, it goes into one of three categories: throw it away/trash category, we have a someday/maybe category (this might be things like take a photography class) There's no physical action on that now necessarily, but you can throw it into a someday/maybe list.
Michael Bauman 20:35
We have like a tickler file along with that. An example of this would be there is an action associated with it, but it's not until a date in the future or you need a reminder of something in the future, and you don't want to forget about it. So for instance, March 15, you put a reminder that says taxes due in a month, that could go into your tickler file, which reminds you to do at a later time.
Michael Bauman 20:57
Then you have a reference file. So if there's no action you It goes in the trash, someday maybe list or a tickler file, or it goes in a restaurant reference file. And the reference file might be restaurants you want to visit recipes, books to read, movies to watch, music to listen to, trips you want to take, kids activities, any checklist that has no action associated with it. So whatever you do on a weekly review, or grocery list websites to search, client files, etc.
Michael Bauman 21:24
If you answer yes, and it does have an action step, but it has more than one action step, then you put it into the project category.And this has another associated box with a project plan steps underneath it. So if it does have an action, and as multi steps, it goes into the project category.
Michael Bauman 21:45
If it takes you less than two minutes to do, do it immediately. This is called the two minute rule. David Allen's two minute rule. If you take nothing else from this whole episode, this rule alone could change your life! if a task takes less than two minutes to do, do it immediately! So if you get an email and the response takes you less than two minutes to respond, respond immediately, just implementing this one rule could dramatically improve the amount of mental headspace you have. So two minute rule, if it takes less than two minutes to do, do it immediately and you don't have to track that task that you've done.
Michael Bauman 22:27
If it takes longer than two minutes to do, there's two things to do, you can either delegate it, and this you put into a waiting for box with a date that you put it in there, and maybe the due date associated with it.
Michael Bauman 22:39
So for instance, you send an email to somebody and you're waiting for a response from them. This goes in the waiting for box, you have the date you sent the email, and then maybe it's associated with a project at work if the due date that you need to hear back from the other person to make sure that that project gets accomplished.
Michael Bauman 22:55
So think about this waiting for category. If you just had a waiting for category where you put everything thing that you are waiting for, think about how much mental space that would free up all the things that you're trying to keep track of that you sent an email to so and so, you know on what day to remind them that just gets lost unless we have a specific system to categorize it.
Michael Bauman 23:14
So one option is you delegated. The other option is you defer. Now, these are the these are the main two options that you'd review on a day to day basis when you have this system in place. One is your calendar. And David has a unique approach to the calendar. He says, only put things on your calendar that need to be done at a specific time. So these are time specific things like appointments, day specific things where it needs to be done on a certain day, but it doesn't need to have a specific time associated with it, or day specific information or reminders, like I talked about, you know, March 15 reminder that in one month, I need to make sure I have my taxes do.
Michael Bauman 23:54
Those are the only things you put on your calendar. Now this goes against a lot of productivity recommendations that may say, "Categorize the number one thing that you need to get done with your business or the number one thing you need to get done personally and put that on your calendar." Doing that actually dilutes the power of your calendar.
Michael Bauman 24:13
Because when you look at your calendar and his method, those are the things that absolutely must be accomplished that day. And he's not saying that you shouldn't have the top one thing with your business or personally that you need to do, it's just it doesn't go on your calendar.
Michael Bauman 24:29
The other section, where it goes in is your Next Actions category. So if you're deferring it, and this takes longer than two minutes, you have your calendar, which only are things that need to be done at a specific time. And then your next actions and this is organized by context.
Michael Bauman 24:44
He has different categories: one might be calls (all the calls that you need to make) and then it saves you a bunch of time if you actually put the phone number beside it. This can be professional or personal. You can categorize it like that if you want.
Michael Bauman 24:57
Then you have a computer category and this can be computer online, everything that you need to have your computer to do, or you need to be online to do. You could have a computer offline, something you need your computer, but you don't need to be online, and then a computer online category.
Michael Bauman 25:13
And then you have a home category. Everything that you can do at home. Everything that you can do at your office. Errands category. Anywhere category. Read, watch and review category. So this is anything that you need to read, or maybe it's watching a YouTube video, and then you want to review something along with it.
Michael Bauman 25:31
And then you have an agendas category. Now this is anything that you would need to say to a certain person in your life when you met with them face to face, or even in other types of communication. For example, with your partner, maybe there's all these things that are on your mind that you're like I need to remember to talk to them about this... Well that's where this would go. Or your boss, you have the things that you need to talk to them when you see them. That's where these things would go.Meetings that you have. Agendas for meetings, or your children or even your accountants. Things that you need to talk to you about with people in your life.
Michael Bauman 26:03
The incredible power of having your next actions organized like this allows you to make very precise decisions on what you need to do based on four criteria. Those criteria are 1. The context that you're in. So if you can't do specific work at home. Obviously, if you're in the office, that's why you have this categorized by home and office.
Michael Bauman 26:22
Or you can't do work on your computer, if you don't have it, or calls you need to make things like that. So you organize it by context. You make decisions by context.
Michael Bauman 26:32
You make decisions in relation to the time you have available. Maybe you just have five minutes. That dictates what next actions you're going to do.
Michael Bauman 26:39
You make decisions by the energy you have available. So maybe you're three out of 10. As far as your energy level, it's been a really long week. But maybe there's some things that you've been wanting to review or some websites you've been wanting to look at that take very little energy, it still allows you to be productive with a very low energy level.
Michael Bauman 26:57
Then you sorted by priority. And that's where You can sort number one business priority number one personal priority that you need to get done.
Michael Bauman 27:04
Now, this is a lot, I realize that. so I would actually recommend getting David Allen's book Getting Things Done. And you can have it as a reference to be able to go through step by step.
Michael Bauman 27:15
This is a book that's actually going on a very small list that I have, which is an "Every year to read" book. It's such a powerful tool, that if you implement consistently, I believe that you should read it every year, or how often is needed to be able to make sure that this system is in place.
Michael Bauman 27:32
Let me sum up briefly what we've done. You spent a bunch of time capturing everything in your physical and mental environment, putting it into that inbox. Then you decide what is it and is there an action associated with it? If there isn't an action, it goes in the trash, someday/maybe file or tickler file and a reference folder.
Michael Bauman 27:52
If there is an action and has more than one step. It goes in a project list and you can have personal and professional. Then if you can do it within two minutes, so if there is an action, and it takes less than two minutes to do, do it immediately. If it's longer than two minutes, delegate it into a waiting folder or defer it by putting it on your calendar with only the things you have to do on that day, or your next actions category list.
Michael Bauman 28:20
You can do the same thing, actually, with your email to get to inbox zero. So the email inbox is a great way to think of as your in bucket. We usually try to keep track of these important stuff that just gets lost in our email. But you can use this same system for your email.
Michael Bauman 28:38
So if it takes less than two minutes to respond to an email, do it immediately. This probably accounts for 30% of the emails that you get. Then you create reference folders in your email file system. A-Z is typically the best way to do this and is easiest for reference. So you can reference any email and just file it away under the category and your agency reference.
Michael Bauman 29:00
Trash, obviously. You have a someday/maybe/tickler file where you can remind you of emails later on. And then you put an action folder. And the @ symbol in front of it, or a number symbol allows it to be categorized up at the top of your list. And these are things that are longer than two minute items. And then you have an @waitingfor file with a date you sent it and the due date associated with that. And so then if you stay on top of that system, it allows you to essentially stay at Inbox Zero with a very comprehensive system.
Michael Bauman 29:30
Now, just doing this massive productivity overhaul alone would clear up an unbelievable amount of mental space to know that you have everything on your mind sorted and organized.
Michael Bauman 29:41
Remember that we're trying to achieve the feeling of success in every area of our life. And there are those four fundamental values that connect us to that feeling of success. We have freedom, joy, peace and love. So doing this system helps you achieve incredible levels of freedom, joy and peace and clarity of mind.
Michael Bauman 29:59
But if you want to maintain that mental clarity, you need to have a consistent collection process to capture anything else that comes up on your mind. And then to organize it and assign next actions to it. So this is where a weekly review comes in.
Michael Bauman 30:15
So it's recommended to set aside two hours the last day of your work week for a weekly review. You want to capture everything that's on your mind, put it into the in category, get that into empty by organizing it into those eight different categories trash, someday/maybe, your reference, your projects, your project plans, you're waiting for calendar or next actions.
Michael Bauman 30:36
Then get your email inbox empty and review any of your waiting for or action email folders. Review and update your calendar for the next week. Arrange the most important professional and personal next actions, review and update your current projects and project plans. Review any waiting fors and maybe review your someday maybe/tickler file. That would be what you would do for a weekly review. You to keep this the system airtight for clearing your mind.
Michael Bauman 31:05
Then each day you have a daily review. And the primary areas for this are your calendar; which gives you the absolute hard landscape for the day. And then your next actions. And you again, you can have those by top professional and top personal.
Michael Bauman 31:19
And you evaluate those next actions throughout the day by those four criteria. What is my context? Am I at home? Do I need my computer? What time do I have available? What energy Do I have available? And what priority is it?
Michael Bauman 31:32
This is a lot I know. But this is the complete Getting Things Done system that you could use to revolutionize your life and give you an immense feeling of success!
Michael Bauman 31:42
But at this time, this may be too overwhelming and daunting. And the last thing I want to do is provide something that overwhelms you with everything else you have going on. So here are the most fundamental actions you could do to free up your mind and optimize your productivity. The 2 minute rule "If an action takes less than two minutes, do it immediately." Even that, by itself could dramatically improve your productivity. And even if you don't organize all the things into those categories that we talked about, if you have lists, always ask yourself, what is the next action that I can do associated with this list item.
Michael Bauman 32:18
So that you have that and it doesn't take up your mental space. So two things if the rest of it's too overwhelming; two minute rule, and always ask, what is the next action that I can do with this list item?
Michael Bauman 32:31
So think about if you did those things? How would that make you feel? How would that change your life? Would you feel more in control? Would you feel more like a success during this time? So try it out! Let me know. And in the next episode, I'm going to talk about your health and the specific things you can do during this unique time that we're faced with with COVID to optimize your energy and vitality. I hope to see you back for another episode of Success engineering with your host, Michael Bauman.
Michael Bauman 33:34
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