Listener Mail: The Turkeys Made Gravy in the Lion's Skull

during that week. Hopefully we'll get some good stuff in, especially concerning on the weird house side of things, the Flight of Dragons. That one just came out hours really before we came in to record this, and I was already seeing some some folks comment on it on social media and and say, oh, yeah, I love that movie when I was a kid, and so forth. So hopefully

we'll get some good stuff in on that. And yeah, by the time this episode publishes, Joe should be back from his parental leave, so you'll be hearing from Joe very soon. It must have been mildly confusing to our audience that throughout the entire parental break we had him pre record a bunch of the intros for vaults and stuff. So so Joe was also here the whole time he wasn't here. And uh, but now he's really back, not not just a ghost voice from the past, but real

Joe is back. By the time you're hearing this, Yeah, and if you just started listening to stuff to blow your mind four weeks ago, then well, the coming of Joe is almost here. Behold, a Joe shall be delivered to you. All right, let's jump into the mail bag here. Uh. This first one comes to This is a response to something that came up very briefly in one of the Ignoble Prize episodes that we did, specifically talking about studies involving not just crash test dummies, but crash test dummies

based on the the physiology of a moose. And so the um A listener by the name of Robert writes in and says, hi, Robert and Seth main resident here. I was listening to your Ignoble Part two episode. When I got to the section about moose. I was taken aback to hear you say moose and elk are the same, as they certainly are not. Here's a link to some

information that may help clear it up. Uh. And they included a link that is a moose versus elk guide, and this is from a a Colorado based website, and and all the all that that data is accurate, So I think that the interest. So the thing here is this is the part of the paper that we referenced that that mentions this he goes quote. In certain areas of our planet there are big wild animals. One big

species is the moose called elk in certain regions. Scandinavia has a very large moose population and car moose collision is a huge problem, etcetera, etcetera. So this is the part you can say, it's saying that it's that the moose is called elk in certain regions. So I believe that the name confusion that some listeners maybe having here stems from the fact that what we call a moose

in North America is called an elk in Eurasia. And while the North American use of elk refers to an entirely different species um but also in North America the use of elk refers to an entirely different species. So from a European standpoint, moose and elk are the same, and this particular paper is European in origin, So hopefully that clears everything up for everyone out there. We can never clear up the deep, deep well and uh, the labyrinth that is just language confusion and origins of words.

And I still remember being young and trying to find the like concrete logic behind the origin of words and really really trying to like hammer it down so I could really understand it and really put it together, and then just giving up at a certain points and just going, I can't figure this out, like like you know, we we were too diverse of a world with two any languages to really make definitive answers and origins to anything

like a big one for me. And this is this is going on a tangent, but but I still remember this one. I was trying to figure out the difference between till and until, like, hey, I'll wait till tomorrow or I'll wait until tomorrow. Why isn't till in I'll wait till tomorrow? Why does it have two l's, Why isn't it apostrophe t I L? That would make perfect sense in my mind. Then I looked it up, and

it seems that both words have completely separate origins. They just both happened to sound very similar and function in a very similar way, and I was like, forget this, like, I can't, I can't go down this rabbit hole. Yeah, they're They're a number of little linguistic issues like that that will still come up from me when I'm reading over something that I that I'm putting together for like non notes purposes, I'll look back and I'll think, oh, well,

do I have this right. I'm gonna have to look this up again, and yeah, do a Google search the word it's. I still think that the correct usage is incorrect all the time because I feel that, like, so, for example, I'm gonna use a person and I'm gonna refer to myself as an it. Okay, so if I'm looking right now at some cough drops, I go, these are Seth's cough drops. Now I'm gonna refer to myself as it. These are its cough drops. I feel that apostrophe S is still possessive. Therefore I would use I

t apostrophe s. But nope, it's not the case. You only use it's when you're using it as a contraction, for it is period, full stop. And I'm like, that's not right, and I know it's right, but anyway, this this is a small window into my brain. I spent a law a lot of time trying to figure these things out, for like the definitive real rules, and then hitting a brick wall and just saying, forget it. I'm not there is no answer here. Yeah, when I turn on my proof reading brain, I just I go ahead

and pronounce I t apostrophe as as it is. It just that's that's the only way I can really barrel through that process. You have to. Yeah, alright. Our next message here is from Alex starts off this way. Hello, Robert and Joe. I've been recently thinking about an episode that you released a while back that was essentially about

the science of being lost. Great episode, if I recall correctly, I believe you described it as an emotional state and referenced studies, etcetera that described the phenomenon and unintuitive actions that lost people take. When I go to search for the episode, I can never seem to find it, So it's possible that I'm completely off base, and perhaps another

group of podcasters released the episode I'm describing. However, I'm fairly confident that it was your soothing voices that educated me in the first place, and how ironic that she lost the episode about being lost. That's wonderful. Continuing the message, if you can provide any insight as to what I'm rambling about, it would be greatly appreciated. Much thanks to you both and your team for providing endless hours of

entertainments and knowledge. Alex all right, well, I say, first of all, just because we're all involved in the production of the show doesn't mean we two can't become lost in what we recorded or may have recorded. I'm did Joe and I are often engaging in conversations like that, did we do an episode on this? And I had to I had to search through my notes. Luckily, that's my main way of solving these issues. Uh. And as

it turns out, it was the leshy episode I believe. Um. So, that was an episode that dealt, at least on the surface with the Russian myths and folklore about creatures that live in the woods and represent like the wildness and danger of nature. And then we kind of use that to get into the topic of becoming lost in the woods, how it feels, how it happens, how easyly it can occur.

Um And I guess in that too, it's also kind of like a typical stuff to blow your mind move where we take something highly relatable but it's kind of beyond the behind the paywall of something more esoteric, which I mean, you might say we should probably do it the other way around, but I don't know that's the way we end up doing it. And uh, yeah, I remember this being a great episode. I hope you enjoy it, um. And yeah, if anyone else is looking to get lost

in an episode, check out The Less You One. It's it's it's definitely a fun episode. And you know what, I kind of miss we haven't done one of these uh crypto zoological deep dives in a while, like, like you know what, maybe we end up doing them like every month or so, but it's never enough. I really like them. Yeah, I love I love diving into the

into the folklore mythology for sure. That's kind of a fun thing about this show in general, is that, um, there are so many different kinds of episodes that you and Joe do that are so beloved that no matter how often you do them rightfully, so every audience member can go, yeah, but what about inventions? Do more inventions? You know, there's always why not more because you have like such a bad catalog of different kinds of angles

to take on these things. So so yeah, it's it's it's a good problem to have, but unfortunately it also leaves you open to a lot of requests for things that you just did, but do it more. Yeah, yeah, And of course some topics do deserve re exploration years later. So yeah, any anytime there's a question like this about a possible past episode or a topic that you're not sure we cover, just right in and we'll sort it

out alright. This next one comes to us from Trey, and this one is kind of a fun, just conversational one. Uh and Tray rides. Dear Robin Seth, what is a favorite for you and the family to put on the television after Thanksgiving? I always throw on National Lampoon's Christmas Vacation to get me in the spirit of setting up the tree and all. I look forward to hearing your responses. Maybe it will give me something new to add in rotation. Great question. I have some very specific answers about you,

rub Um. Yeah, yeah, yeah, you go first. I want to hear yours. I have a whole day movie marathon that happens every Thanksgiving. Um, it's mostly just kind of things that um, me and my friends and my family have seen so many times that they just kind of like feed into the background. So if you miss a little bit, it's okay, you can come back to it. So it goes in this order. First we watch both Grumpy Old Men movies. Grumpy Old Men followed by Grumpy

or Old Men. That is followed by planes, Trains and Automobiles, and then that is followed by Home Alone. That's that's the structure and the order. And because I think the logic well, first of all, I don't know what the logic of including the two Grumpy Old Men movies is. Maybe because Thanksgiving occurs in the first movie. That's like that was enough to get us to watch it once

and then just became a tradition. Uh. And of course, Planes, Trains and Automobiles is all about Thanksgiving, so of course that one, that one sticks, and that one is like the main centerpiece and then what Thanksgiving is over that evening. I do feel like Home Alone is a nice you know, ease into the the the holiday season, the traditional Christmas season. You know, Oh, there's some some great picks in there. I mean, obviously trains, planes and automobiles is uh great

Thanksgiving film. I haven't watched it in a while. I don't think my son's quite old enough. I'm not, or at least I'm not ready to show it to him yet. But that's a really fun one. Yeah, if you're showing this to your son. I remember, in particular, there's the scene with Eadie mcclerk where she is the uh, the car rental woman. Oh god. Yeah, and then Steve Martin for a PG thirteen How did he get away with

that many F words? Like I thought there was a limit to one F word per PG thirteen movie or something like that, but no. In one scene he says it it's got to be what five dozen times? I have no idea. I've never counted, but it's just perpetual. I don't know that that that would be hard to introduce to a child. I think, and and and not have them think it's very funny and then repeat it, you know, yeah like that. Yeah, there are a lot

of of F bombs in that scene. And then it's kind of punctuated by that scene where he gets picked up by the testicles and um and then speaking in a squeaky voice. Yeah, I could easily sort of like edit all that out. I can skip that entire part. Yeah yeah, so yeah, yeah, No, great movie. I love it, watch it every year. But uh yeah, And I'm just now realizing that that's to John Hughes movies back to back. I I didn't think of that before ever, but yeah, Planes,

Trains and Automobiles and Home Alone, both written by John Hughes. Yeah, that there's something about not only John Hughes movies, but sort of like John Hughes adjacent films and that whole sort of genre of of the family comedy from that era. I was thinking about this recently because I have no

idea why, but the movie groundhog Day came up. Groundhog Day is a movie movie that my son has seen, and he was asking my wife, and I was like, that's a Christmas movie, right, And of course, the the obvious ants here is no, it's of course not a Christmas movie. It's about it's about groundhog Day. But in another real sense, it does feel like a Christmas movie.

In in many other respects it does. And in fact, I don't recommend anyone investigates this route, but there are multiple uh, Groundhog Day knockoff Christmas films that are terrible. Don't watch them, but they exist. It's the kind of thing of like, oh, my Christmas Day is going so terribly gosh, tomorrow will be better, you know, December. But then no, this protagonist is stuck in Christmas Day and they have to make sure that they do it the right way. But it's it's literally just a complete rip

off of Groundhog Day. And there are multiple movies that do this, like I think at least two I can think of maybe more, and they're terrible. Don't watch them. At the end, the time loop plot structure can be so interesting. I've done, You've done right, but it's often done lazily. I guess. Have you seen a film called Palm Springs. Can't recommend it high enough. It's an Andy

Samberg starring vehicle. Um, it's a Hulu film. I want to say, I think it might be a Hulu original and it's so so, so good, and it is a time loop groundhog Day situation, but it's just done wonderfully well. Like I, I can't recommend it high enough. So yeah, Palm Springs, check it out. Nice. Oh, but you have an answered what are your thanks. Oh yeah, our Thanksgiving film, I guess. Currently our only real tradition is the ninety

four um Gorky film Studio Jack Frost or Morozoko. This is one that we we featured on a Weird House cinema I think last year, and uh so go see that episode for all my my thoughts on that movie. But it's one that are kind of originated for for me and my wife out of watching uh Mystery Science Theater three thousand episodes on Turkey Day, and this was

featured there. But now we've gotten to the point where we're just watching it without any MST three K because the pictures beautiful, the film quality if you get a non riffed version of it, and it's just just a lot of fun, totally stands the test of time. Yeah. Absolutely, And yeah MST three K adjacent media around Thanksgiving Day

is a tradition. Everyone loves that. Beyond that, we're we're plotting ways to try and introduce my son to the Gremlins movie franchise, somehow skipping over like the really disturbing parts of the first movie. I haven't fully mapped out that venture yet. I mean that the The Dead Father addressed as Santa is definitely the part that you have to keep away from the kids for a while until they reach a certain age. But yeah, yeah, that's a fun one. Though. I feel like kids could watch two

more easily than they could watch one. Yeah, I've been arguing for that. I'm like, let's just skip straight to G two and my ovis like, I don't know if he's gonna understand everything, and then I'm like, well, yeah, and he would. He would miss out on some cuteness and some basic exploitation explanation of the concept if he

skipped you one, So fair enough. It's true the origin tale of you know, kind of the rules kind of it where it works well in the Gremlins universe, and I guess all film universes with creatures and monsters to have those rules laid down as a steady foundation. Now, some people have the Twilight Zone tradition of Thanksgiving right because somebody some station used to do or still does Twilight Zone Thanksgiving marathons. Is that right? Or am I thinking about another holiday if it was in my mind?

And I'm not sure if I'm right either, because who knows what television does anymore? I remember them being New Year's Eve. That's Twilight Zone marathons. But um, but I'm sure different stations did different things. But that's that's my memory. That's I think you're correct on that. I was misremembering that tradition. I wish it was my tradition because then, because yeah, I'd love like a holiday dictated excuse to watch old Twilight Zone episodes. Oh yeah, for sure, for

sure I need to make a new one. Like what holiday can I align with? Night gallery? Oh gosh, what is the longest night of the year? Is that? Um? Winter Solstice? So so so it's like the longest night gallery of the year and just squeezing as many as you can from sundown till sun up. Okay, all right, so Trey, I hope, I hope some of that helped you.

Maybe that'll give you some ideas for the future. Oh and in a very quick ps perennial classic is, of course the Peanuts Thanksgiving Special, serving pretzels, jelly beans and toast for Thanksgiving at a big table with a bunch of kids. Hilarious. I don't remember that one. I only know the Great Pumpkin. I think that's a good one too. Well, And the Christmas one, but yeah, I didn't even realize off top of my hand. They had a Thanksgiving one.

Some of the best Peanuts ones, the lesser seen holiday ones. Um, there's a wonderful sad Valentine's Day one, and there's a wonderful Easter one. The Peanuts, the Peanuts family. Oh gosh, they have so many specials and then many of them are are just wonderful, just full of full of you know, subtle childhood depression, which I just really relate with. M Alright, moving on next, we have a message here from David. Let's see what we got here. Greetings. My father was

a rocket scientist. He was literally a pioneer of American aerospace and held a patent in solid fuel propellant. After his retirement in the nineteen nineties, he opened up about a few things more fanciful. I was working on a sci fi concept and we were discussing it as well as Dune, Star Wars, etcetera. I'm tempted to do a bit more backstory on this particular discussion, but I'll cut

to the chase. Well versed in quantum mechanics, my dad suggested, and I'm paraphrasing with due liberty, that the so called spooky relationship between particles might indicate a sort of subspace plane or medium. And this is pretty much verbatim. Construct something around a prime particle, excite that particle. It signals the other particle to wits. Look what I have here? What this bamp? Now? I'm now I'm boiling down not one but a few long conversations into a cute see

cartoon strip. But I'm sure you'll find that interesting and I'm happy to share more about its happy trails. David m hmm. Well, um, uh, I love what what David is essentially getting at here. Yeah. That that when you start looking into the realm of quantum mechanics and all there, there are these various areas where, um, what we believe to be true or possibly be true about the universe, uh, can begin to align with some of our are seemingly

more fantastic sci fi concepts. And I don't I don't think we've done an episode where we really get into this sort of thing recently, but in the past we have talking about things like I think warp bubbles and so forth. Um, which isn't necessarily died to quantum discussions but still when you get into some of these more far out ideas about how things like faster than like travel could a actually be achieved, it gets it gets pretty pretty neat. Yeah, I mean from like the most

basic point of view ever when it comes to science. Uh, Albert Einstein, he basically did prove time travel as possible, and yet you know the limitations of that. You can go forward, you can't go back, you know, like like just like those little things, and it's it is fun to just kind of see that reality in of of science fiction concepts, but not really like you can't really have like the fun you want to have with it. But it's like it's like close enough. It's like just

a hint of what's like beyond that veil. And it's funny too. I have a couple of friends who work in aerospace and uh one's a rocket scientist, one is uh in space exploration, and both of them, whenever I hear about like the kind of projects they're working on, first of all, they're always very hush hush and they can't tell me lots of details. But I'm very used to working in the entertainment industry, where you start something and then you finish it, you know, within a year,

but usually within the week. You know. Uh, their projects take longer than their lifetime, you know, like that they'll be working on something that they know they'll never finish that they they they're just you know, putting in their time on a project, contributing to something that perhaps you know, two more generations after them will actually reach this final conclusion when it comes to whatever liquid physics or something who knows, what's you know, whatever aerospace rocket scientists are

are focusing on these days. All right, I'm grabbing another one here, this one. This we I don't think we've ever done this before, but I was, I was doing a quick search to see if anyone had written in about the weird House on Congo yet, and uh we did here for some from some folks, but I found this one that is actually from much earlier this year, from January, actually, well before it was announced that we're

going to discuss Congo and UM. A listener by the name of Mark wrote in in response to one of our I think crab discussions that is re airing or would have re aired last week, so anyway, Mark writes in with an email titled time Crabs and says in the novel Congo, a guerrilla named Coco, and I think it's actually Amy, but very easy to make that confusion because I believe Amy is in large part based on Cocoa. Um So Mark continues, a guerrilla named Coco or Amy

has the same spatial time orientation. The past is in front of us because it is known. But if Coco was told that someone was coming soon, she would look over her shoulder. Wonder where Michael Crichton got this idea, Martin, Yeah,

I remember that discussion. The discussion back about time in general, and about the future being in front of you and the past being behind you, and how that relates often too, something as simple as just literally like traveling down a road, you know where It's like if you say to someone this, you know, this is five days from now, you think spatially, like, oh,

how far is that ahead of me? If I walked down a road or no, like, oh this was a week ago, It's like, oh, where could I have been one week behind to me if I was walking Like that kind of like relating space to time in a literal way, and that's pretty fun. Yeah, Yeah, I think the Crab discussion was what how would superintelligent crab focus on this, given that it kind of made it move

side to side. But but this is a great detail from the novel Congo and totally the sort of thing that Michael Crichton would just throw in there here and there. I mean, that's one of the reasons the books were so much fun to read. All Right, We've got one last message here. This is from Jamie via Facebook. Here's what Jamie has to say. I'm listening back to the two thousand and seventeen episode Alien Abduction Experience, Part one, kind of binging episodes while working on this ongoing cross

stitch of of the planet Saturn. That sounds wonderful. A train of thought occurred to me while Roberts and Christian Hey an old Christian episode Christian Seger briefly discussed up this book called The Seven Sins of Memory. Robert touched on absent mindedness, using as an example of when people try to recall where you were when September eleven two one happened, and how you probably don't actually remember with accuracy what you were wearing or what you had for

breakfast that day. A sudden question slash idea I pondered about which may make an interesting future episode. I don't know is this and then paraphrase and quickly Jamie gives us the idea to focus on an episode about the instinct of trying to remember where you were on nine eleven, which is definitely an interesting idea. I'm just coming away from the message for a moment here. I feel like it's got something to do with touch points for humanity.

Is there There are a few things that we all have in common, and sometimes we have them and we can all focus on them and have a shared experience and have a kind of like a shared knowledge base, And nine eleven is definitely one of those, Like like, here, here's an example of that that's that's not tragedy related. Um. I remember in college, I was taking a film course and the instruct after he very early on in the class, said to everyone's like, all right, who's seen Wizard of Oz,

you know? And most of the class raised their hand. He's like, all right, who's seen Titanic? And most of the class raised their hand, and he's like, okay, okay, just checking every year, I have to check in on this because I know I'm always trying to find the common film that almost everyone has seen when I'm when I'm starting, just so we all have a common language, and it used to be Wizard of Oz. But as as I'm aging, I think it's getting closer and closer

to Titanic. And it's been a while since I was in college, so I'm sure it's changed again since then. But uh, but yeah, you're just finding that that touch points that commonality amongst a large group of people. And nine eleven, you know, was that events. You know, we

all experienced it one way or another. Yeah, and there would be not not to say that they certainly wouldn't be the same emotional state, but there are comparable, uh emotional states to discuss their um So yeah, there there's This would have been for many people a noteworthy touch don't event and uh and you can revisit it by asking other people where they were and how they felt. Getting back to Jamie's message, it seems to serve as

a kind of socially bonding activity remembering and recalling. But what if you cannot recall exactly where or when or what you were wearing where you were when an event of some significance happens. I wonder if there's a certain taboo or stigma societally at work, if we can't remember something like that. For instance, around the anniversary of nine eleven, you'll see posts asking others what they remember about it.

I have to imagine there's a percentage of people who see that post and scroll past, possibly because they don't have a formed answer. I wonder how that person feels. Does it bother them? Is there an obligation of some kind to reminisce what happens if you don't. Is there a feeling of loss? Do you lose something on some level when you can't participate or if you refuse to Speaking from experience, in two thousand and one, I was in elementary school. I have almost no member of nine

eleven to speak of. I also enjoy these episodes discussing alien abduction and the subject of Incubi. And then she mentions that we never talked about the band Incubis, which of course we should, so we're mentioning it. Now there's a band called Incubus. They exist. Getting back to the message, the idea of alien abduction absolutely terrifies me anyone else, So glad I can put some of my personal hang ups to bed. And uh yeah, thank you so much, Jamie.

You know, there's one part of this that, um, I think you can relate to a little bit. But a big part of this of like having something happening in society that either through choice or reality, you're opting out of. I'm a vegan, so when I walk through a grocery store, I see most of that store. I was just like not for me, you know, like whenever I'm walking through, I'm just like, nothing over there for me, Nothing over

there for me. People talking about like these like kind of um food traditions that happen every year, whether it's eating turkey on Thanksgiving or whether it's um, you know, rilling up some burgers for uh the fourth of July, whatever it may be, all these food traditions that are non vegan, which are most of them of course. Um I I had to put a place in my mind years ago when I became a vegan just going like, you know what, that's just not for me, period, Like,

like I'm not involved in any of that. And thankfully there are many food substitutes at this point that you can't have, you know, fake burgers, a fake Treu ducan or whatever. But uh, but yeah, no, no, that that's that's an element that I see in my life, especially interacting with most of my friends who are primarily not vegans, and just going like, oh, I'm not a part of this.

You know, this is interesting. I was actually reading a little about studies that have looked at at at a similar topic here, like what does it take to cause a division between like one group and another like that? One of like there's about political examples, but also it gets down to things like cat people versus dog people, which of course is a kind of a ridiculous distinction. Um. And then you have other things like, for instance, take

take the band Incubus. I don't think I've ever listened to Incubus, and I don't have a strong opinion about that fact or the band, Like I'm not a never Incubus person. I don't don't really have an opinion. Just it just never happened for me. Um. And there are a lot of things like that in our life where we're just like, oh, well, that's yeah, I guess that's not my thing, but I don't have an opinion on it. Then there are plenty of other things where you're going

to have more of an opinion. Maybe the choice is based in some sort of you know, I mean a moral standpoint or environmental standpoint, etcetera. Certainly that can be said for a lot of dietary preferences. Um, And then there are other elements as well. But even something like you know, well I'm a you maybe have a more of a heated response on something like uh, let's say the band Kiss. You might say, well, I'm not a kiss fan, and it's it's not a neutral stance. It's

more of an assertive and aggressive stance. That's an excellent point, um. Bringing it back to a food preferences, like you were saying to uh, yeah, there's like, you know, different kinds of people who don't eat meat. Like for me, it's just like, oh, it makes me feel better when I

don't eat meat, so I just don't do it. Other people are like, no, this is a moral stance and I'm judging you for eating meats, and so yeah, that is like a difference where it's like me because I I you know, I know people eat meat, and I don't really care when I walk through a grocery store, I do just kind of block it out as like oh whatever, you know, that's just not for me. That's

it's almost like it doesn't exist. Whereas if you're the kind of person who's like, no, I hate that people eat meat, you you may perhaps you do see it, and it's it's it's it's it's a sore point for you. It's a no, I I don't like that this exists. So yeah, that that's that's an interesting idea. The difference between um, a positive thought, a negative thought, and a neutral thought. The neutral thought truly can't ignore, but positive

or negative you you are thinking about it more. Yes, I think we will do an episode in the future on this, because he gets into questions like what is the what is the smallest thing that could lead to

a division like this? And then why does it? I think a lot of the times too, there's gonna be you're gonna slip to more extreme visions of it, and you're gonna be holding to this schism without it being a real conscious effort, without like waking up and going through like these are the reasons I believe this thing. This is why I'm opposed to you know, this sports team or this sport or whatever the division happens to be. I remember years ago some toilet paper company, don't remember

which one. They were trying to create a false schism in their in their in their user base, which I guess is everyone that uses toilet paper, and they were like, hey, are you the kind of person that has it flip over or flip under? And they were doing like a survey and there was you know, it's just a joke for for an ad campaign or whatever, but I remember the result that I still remember the result of this day. So there's there's no real, you know, distinct answer or

definitive like right or wrong. It's just some people put it over, some people put it under. And I'm like, that's that's a line. We all we all do it somewhat. So you picked you've picked a path. Yeah, we're a fifty household. I'm not gonna spoil who goes which way on it. But um, but every time that I noticed this, I'm reminded of the Simpsons episode where where they're written up or Marge is written up for having it in the underhanded fashion. Yes, yes, yeah, well, hey, someone someone's

gonna make rules. Someone needs to make divisions. You got you gotta exclude people somehow. I guess it's the natural human feeling. Unfortunately. Alright, three three more things about this email. So, first of all, The Seven Sins of Memory, How the Mind Forgets and Remembers is a book by Daniel Shackter h. This came out in two thousand and one, so bear in mind it is over twenty years old now, so I can't speak for how it's really holding up and

how it relates to more recent research in memory. But um, I imagine it holds up pretty well, and I remember it just being it's just really thought provoking content that will really make you think more about how you remember things and the different ways that the brain remembers things. So, um, yeah, go go check that out if you're interested. Um. But one of the things about something like nine eleven, the question being like, well, what if you don't fully remember,

you're gonna feel left out. Well, part of the answer is your brain will fill in the blanks. Even those of us who think we remember, we don't necessarily really remember what was going on. Our brain creates some a simulation of what what occurred. So you might think you know what you're eating, you might think you know remember what you were wearing. Uh, And in many cases you may.

It's not saying that no one has precise memories of this, but the way memory works, it fills in the blanks, and this is where we get the potential for strongly held false memories about things. Oh and finally, yeah, the idea of alien abduction and uh incubi and succubi and

so forth. Yeah. I I used to find these concepts very frightening, Which is probably one of the reasons that we've looked at them time and time again on the show, is that exploring them logically kind of helped to understand like why these concepts frightened me, especially when I was a child, and then um, and then also sort of making sure that the scary things stay in the realm of fantasy for me. Uh so, Yeah, I totally, I totally can relate to anyone who finds these concepts kind

of creepy. My big um. I guess anxiety about aliens is this. I think we could all agree, probably for the most part, that there is some sort of life probably somewhere in the universe. Even if it's just like a little amiba crawling in some dirt somewhere, there's probably something somewhere, you know. I think I think both people can agree on that, at least are the more advanced.

Who knows that's that's a whole other question. But the potential for someone to arrive here at any points, it's just on the table, you know, just just just at some point some creature from another galaxy who has developed

space travel just like we have. You know, we've done it, so why couldn't someone else could just arrive and it's just like oh well, now what like just yeah, at any point it's it's you know that that that that door is right there, and someone could just come in and just be like, hi, we've we've come now like that's I think, I think that's that's part of the anxiety some people have. It is just the the open

ended nature of of of alien contact. Oh yeah, absolutely, and and new stuff will come out that that seems to keep that door nice and cracked. How However, of course, there are plenty of of people out there who want to jump in and try and widen that crack as much as possible, or discussed just how absurdly wide the crack is when it isn't. But uh, I mean, that's also part of fun of the discussion. As long as you don't let it um inconvenient your life for the

lives of anyone around you. Yeah, exactly, exactly. Just remember that speculation is fun, but facts are better, you know. Yeah, all right, Well it's seen is that the mail bag is empty at this point. Hopefully it will begin to to fill back up. So yes, keep your thoughts coming right in. We'd love to hear from you about past episodes, uh way, past episodes, recent episodes, possible future episodes, weird how cinema, artifact, monster fact, core episodes, or just responses

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