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Hello, welcome back to the show. My name is Matt, my name is Noel.
They call me Ben. We're joined as always with our super producer Alexis code named Doc Holliday Jackson. Most importantly, you are here. That makes this the stuff they don't want you to know. Fellow conspiracy realists. We took a brief break last week and we are back at it. So much stuff has happened. There's so much news out there. Dare we say some of it is strange. We're going to learn about We're going to learn about a real
global conspiracy in the Middle East. We're going to we're going to talk a little bit about maybe freedom of expression is a good way to put it, Nola, And we do want to give you a warning at the very top. Okay, there is an important story that we're going to get to towards the end of this week's segment, and it is not for everyone. It contained some very graphic information. We've got your back. We're going to give you a heads up before we get to it. We'll
make it clear so you'll know going in. But before we do any of that, Noel, I hear Disney's been on your mind lately.
When is it not, Man is the most magical place on earth. And I have to say I hadn't been to Disney World or Land since I was a very small child. And I think I mentioned on the show recently that earlier this year, my family and some close friends and I went to Disney World in Florida and.
It was just awesome. I mean, I get what all the fuss is about. It's a really cool place.
Like they even make waiting in line seem kind of fun. And you know, since we're talking about that, before I get into today's story, which is admittedly a little bit of a shorty, did want to mention another line related Disney story that I heard recently that apparently those lines that I said are fun to wait in because there's lots of stuff to look at. I'll tell you what there aren't on those lines is places to use the bathroom. And we did successfully. We had two young kids with us.
We were successfully able to get a cast members. They're known in Disney parlance, to guide them in the parent to a nearby facility through some back corridors. But apparently a lot of people parents don't have the foresight to do that and just have their kids poop on the ground.
M this is a thing.
Yeah, there's also this is weird too. I'm glad you brought this up because some people may be unaware that in different parts of the world it is totally normalized to just have your have your kids defecate or pee in the street or on the side of the road. What I'm saying is, you know, have you ever been to a place where you're using a public restroom and there's a sign with someone squatting on top of the toilet and they're like, ah, don't do that.
It's like, Ben, I love that you took this issue and made it global.
I do appreciate, but I have to say, I don't think there's any world where it's okay to poop in line with other people in a ride situation.
I'm telling you, man, I agree with you. I have your back here. Like we we order must prevail, right, we should poop in the assigned areas. I think is a good call.
And one of the more popular, well, probably because it's one of the longest lines, and we waited in this one and it was kind of worth the wait. There's an Avatar ride. There's two avatar rides. Ones like a jungle cruise kind of like boat type ride. We didn't do that one, but we did do the flight one. I forget what it's called, something light where you ride this virtual reality thing and you're like flying with the nave on there whatever, shrieky banshee, you know, pterodactyl things.
But there is a cove, like a little like alley almost to the side of one of the lines that apparently there's like a Reddit as there is for everything for Disney employees, and they refer to it as like the poop alley because apparently people just duck into it and have their kids just poop on the floor. But that's not what we're talking about today.
I'm just saying for some tourists from China.
No, that's absolutely true.
And you know, it's a very good pointment, and I don't think I didn't clock that as.
Any any of the references. I would in my mind more than that, I would.
Just picture like kind of entitled Buckhead Betty type moms, you know, sort of like wine moms who don't really care about others, you know, just doing that. That's kind of the way I look at it. But you're right, Ben, there is definitely a and Buckhead Betty. By the way, it's sort of a local thing here in Atlanta, basically a Karen type situation. But Buckhead is a sort of
a more affluent to bougie community here in Atlanta. And oftentimes when folks from that part of town venture, you know, inward to the city, they they.
They're a little demanding.
They're the kind of people that will snap at you at a restaurant, snap with their fingers, you know, to Beckon, you come.
Hither, gossol and they know what means boy. Carson means boy exactly. Well, speaking of boys, there was a boy again, dare we say? It was a segue of sorts, a twenty six year old in fact, who has remained unnamed. And I saw this for the first time, I think, as it was kind of making the rounds from people uploading it off off of their you know, it's TikTok and stuff.
And again I'm not a TikToker. So I see things maybe.
A little later on Instagram when it like an adult, but it's this. There's this video of these these people in one of.
The gondolas on the it's a Small World ride at Disney in Anaheim Disney World, right, no Land, that's Disneyland and anna And there's this very kind of gaunt looking shirtless and pantsless young dude just wandering the sets like you know where there's a little all the little figures and stuff in the backgrounds and things flying around like he is just wandering around. And I actually put a link in the h in our chat here. My share isn't working. Would you want one of you guys mind
playing real quick? So we listen to the audio because the audio alone is is kind of amazing. I guess while this is happening, the this kid is just wandering around, just kind of like peering around behind stuff, and there's this pool that looks like it's water but it's actually fabric that's kind of billowing, and all the while these Disney adults, you know, which are you know, adult people
who love Disney. Nothing wrong with that, but there is a bit of a cultish quality around some of these folks. And I again, I'm not no aspersions there, but they're just looking.
On in terror.
And the one literal loudest voice in the room I want you guys to hear, because this person is absolutely making zero, having zero impact on what this kid is doing.
Oh my god, oh god, it's gonna break all the stuff.
I don't think he's got great abs, really good abs, real lanky fellow. So this person is literally just shouting, you know, sit down. I don't know if it's as if it's a patron or an employee, You're gonna hurt yourself.
And then someone says he's gonna break all the stuff, which is my favorite.
And then someone very kind of like great California way kind of says they should turn off the music.
Just I think my favorite detail as well.
The music is what makes it so entertaining for me.
Yeah, and it's funny too, because you know, typically it's a Small World ride. Most people's complaint about that ride is the song because it just plays on a loop at nauseum, just you know, but it would appear that they've judged it up for the holidays, and this version of the song is not the traditional It's a Small World it's more of a Christmas themed version because we're hearing jingle bells and I think it is literally more
like a jingle bell type melody. So what happened was at this point in the I guess this person's experience, they're wearing shorts. It looks to be like boxer briefs or something. But there's another video you can find where a couple of videos where this kid is seen emerging from the gondola tunnel the exit which is water right, and he's naked at this point, fully naked, and he's just kind of trudging out, just looking around like that meme of John Travolta and pulp fiction, just kind of.
Looking just like what is going on here?
Looking at things very meticulously and bewilderedly simultaneously, which is to me the hallmark of someone on a heavy dose of hallucinogens. Which seems like he doesn't seem terrified, which you'd think would be certainly on the table. You know, people seem to be having aversion to It's a small world,
you know, a stone called sober. But he's he's walking out at this point, he's he shed his entire clothes and there's also part of the other video you see where he dropped all of his clothes in a pile, including his shoes, right, and then he breaks out of the gondola and goes and he's just wandering.
What time of day was this.
It was at one point thirty pm in the afternoon, broad daylight, and it apparently only caused the ride to shut down for a couple hours. It was reopened around three o'clock. But the best part, it is maybe not the best part, it's it's kind of awful. Is there's another video where you can see this kid being carried out by police and security, still fully nude, and like they've got him in this like spread eagle kind of position and just kind of lazily draped a blanket over him.
But even in the video it's still had blur lines on it, so presume that wasn't quite doing the trick. And you hear someone go idiot with all these kids around, Yeah, that's accurate. This is an act of you know, sexual assault in a way. I mean, it's certainly in decent exposure, which is what he got charged with by the police there in Anaheim. In addition to I think criminal mischief.
Maybe it was one of them. I love that one.
That's always a fun that's a great fun sounding and then also being under the influence of a controlled substance.
And I love that you point out how quickly the ride got back up to speed. It reminds me we need to shout out our pal code name Doc Holliday's episode on Disney with who was that with? Was that Lauren?
Yeah?
Yeah, I mean it's it's insane though, because Okay, Noel, I have a question for you. How often does stuff like this happen?
Do you think more often than you'd think.
I mean, I you know, I mentioned the pooping stuff and we definitely done in the past. So like all these weird stories about like you know, you can't die at Disney, stuff like that, like if they'll.
You know, some of the things that we debunked.
We also know that there was a rash of people taking their recently departed loved ones ashes and throwing them off Disney rides and that's a big no no. And that will you know, it would cause the ride to shut down. That's of course a biohazard if they're not your loved ones, you know. Keith Richards snorted. His father apparently,
but there are other instances like this. In fact, in People magazine they mentioned another incident that happened very very recently, in fact, where someone tried to dive off of the edge of like a kind of a observation deck in order to satisfy allegedly a sixty thousand dollars bet. There's something of the World Showcase Lagoon, which I believe in Epcot is the kind of the big body of water between all of the different sort of like recreations of
different countries. You know, there's like a big old body of water kind of a boat situation, and it says, yeah, a guy dove in feet first and swam to the side, climbed over a gondola and then got out. And in the TikTok video you hear someone, which is probably gonna be the case for this other streaker fellow, You're gonna get banned for life, homie, You're getting banned for life, because that is very much a thing at Disney, banning for life, and they do not play.
I hope it was a cast member in a costume. I hope it was someone dressed as Goofy who is like, you're gonna get banned for life, homie.
You know, it's funny that you mentioned that Ben in the video of the of the authorities dragging them him out, which also I didn't quake it into the bottom of this yet, and I'm sure more information will come out because we know there are like backstage areas, you know, where like cast members go to whatever, have a lunch break or whatever it might be. And then you know, they make a huge deal about you can never take
your head off if you're a costumed cast member. You have to go backstage for that, and apparently at the backstage area is a lot like the back stage of a theater, where it's like the bones of everything, you know what I mean, It's not like necessarily decked out like like like everything. They reserve all that for for
the guests. But in the video where they've they're for whatever reason, they couldn't find a way to take him out the back, so they're literally marching him through with people watching, like tons of people watching, and there's this dude wearing like an Elf costume talking into his sleeve was very clearly like a a hidden security guy.
He's like the air marshal on the.
Plane dude, And I'm sure they've got those posts it all over because like to the to the previous thing I was saying about the pooping in line, that stuff gets scooped up lickety split or lickety.
Like people coming, you know, they find it. They've got I don't know what kind of they don't.
Want cameras, cameras literally everywhere.
But they probably also have like you know, infrared or something that like can detect warm human feces.
I would imagine they just see it the moment that your little toddler squats down and dukes.
It has to be the level of surveillance and probably proprietary, like they've they've done everything they do there. It's like a trade secret right that you would have at casinos where they can tell if the dealer is cheating instantly because there's like a flag. It's you don't even have to have a human there's probably a kid pooping in line detector, you know, built into these things, or a
streaker on the ride detector. You know, it wouldn't take long to catch this guy who's out like a like a sore thumb.
But what a story?
Can I guys just say something? Okay? I get this person, this human for taking these actions. I get this person getting in trouble for.
Breaking you relate to this person.
I understand this person getting in trouble for breaking park rules right potentially causing harm to company property or even maybe trespassing in this instance. But is it weird do you guys that we can get in trouble for just walking around as the animals we are are without coverings?
Absolutely? I mean, I think that's a very interesting point, Matt.
And it's interesting that it's still such a bone of contention, and it's like, what is expo. God, now I'm gonna sell like an apologize for like flashers or something, but you.
Started down.
No, I do think it's interesting, and I think it's it's in a lot of ways very silly and prudish, but it is what you, I guess can call a societal norm or more.
And we've built structures around these things.
And that's why even in like a lot of European cities, like having a nude beach or having a fully I think in Germany being fully topless is okay, you know. And and the fact that it's applied differently to men versus women, you know, that women are not allowed to show their breasts, but like men can be shirtless drinking diet cokes, they're glistening abdominals, you know, on roofs.
It's sorry, I'm making myself feel away.
Like there's I mean, you're absolutely right.
I agree.
It's a social contract, right, So the idea is one of informed consent in a community, even if that community is a temporary and artificial one such as Disneyland. Like to your point, Matt, obviously, yes, clothing is a human invention and it's not it's not part of the natural hardware.
An optional human invention's loosened up.
But also, you know, another way, I think another aspect to explore there would be the concept of being non consensually sent apic. You can agree to it, so why should you, Why should you not consenting be subjected to it. That's why that person or the secret elf op of Disneyland or whomever is saying, oh there are kids here. If you knew there was going to be a naked guy when you came in, that's one thing. If you didn't, that's a different thing.
And everybody in that bride is naked under their clothes. I don't know, I'm just very interesting. I think I took I think I took shrooms before this episode. Yeah, I'm feeling like one with everyone the way that ride makes you feel one with everyone.
Let me let me just.
Quid pro quote Clarice, you here real quick. That's not really right, but it works for my purposes. Like, let's say, you know, you went on your kid went on a field trip with their school to an art museum and saw nude sculptures and you didn't know because you've never been to an art museum before, that was going to happen.
I think there would understandably be some rightful indignation there, and probably the school could get in trouble and they probably would need to be very careful about stuff like that.
Yeah, probably everybody's everybody's different, but we're all the same.
But lisas are objectively weird, even the best of them. Anyway, you guys have anything else on that one? What are these gonna happen? Band for life? For sure?
I mean, you know, honestly, Yeah, this is like basically the equivalent of exposing yourself to a minor.
So it's not gonna go well for this guy.
Ben, what do you think I think criminal mischief is a great name for a crime. That's my primary takeaway.
He's gonna be a sex offender.
You are exposing yourself to children, right. But the question then is do we know do you know Nole conclusively whether this was a substance. He was definitely under control. It wasn't like a mental man.
He's basically meditating in the middle. He looks like he's about to rise up off the damn ground. I mean this, there's something going on with this guy. You know, as someone who's been around uh completely as a as a neutral observer people taking psychedelics. This guy was absolutely on on something.
As they say, be safe out there, indeed indeed, but also disney World, Disneyland awesome. Excited to go back. I'd wait in those lines, you know, I would have waited another forty five minutes. Just bring just bring a jug of some kind.
That's all I'm saying. Be discreept, y'all. We're gonna take a break. That's make it a face. We'll be back after a word from our sponsor.
And we've returned, and we are turning our eyes to oil guys. I don't know why I did it like that. We're gonna be reading from an article written by Damien Carrington for The Guardian on November twenty seventh, twenty twenty three. The title is revealed Saudi Arabia's grand plan to quote hook poor countries on oil. And we're just gonna read parts of this and we'll break out and talk about sections. Okay, guys,
here we go. Saudi Arabia is driving a huge global investment plan to create demand, create demand that's really important for its oil and gas in developing countries, and undercover investigation has revealed. So first off the bat, you guys, let's discuss Saudi Arabia. This place, the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia or KSA, has been a major player in the
oil business since the late nineteen thirties. Nineteen thirty eight is when there's literally an American oil refinery that basically strikes oil and realize, oh my gosh, there's so much underneath this land. We can make a lot of money.
And they've been successful in making mountains of money pulling it from the earth for decades, pretty much because they get cozy relationships with these traditionally very powerful, very advanced nations such as the United States, and they've been exporting oil to countries like the US four decades and everybody's
been happy. But as the demand for oil is starting to weaken because these same highly developed countries are moving towards more sustainable, environmentally friendly forms of energy, they don't want as much oil. So the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia is basically saying, Okay, we need to find more customers. At least that's what I'm getting from this. Would you guys.
Agree, yes?
Okay?
Do you think there's concern that the tide is being sort of rolled back in favor of renewables and the folks are going to be like, we got to figure out maybe some.
New revenue streams for this stuff. I know that's not like now, but it does feel like maybe down the line, if that's your main thing, then there are people having to think down the line, right.
Yeah, especially when it comes to using oil as a combustible to run machinery, right, that becomes a big thing, and also using oil and gas to run power plants to be one of the primary energy sources for an area. So let's keep going down here, because I think we're
going to hit some of these things guys. If you go to the website for this thing, it's called the os T or the Oil Sustainability Program, at least that's what it's called on the English language version of the website that I can access and understand, right.
And sometimes called what is ODSP it is basically the same thing.
Well, no, it's not the same thing at all. It's ODST is the Oil Demand Sustainability Program, which means they're trying to make sure the demand is there somewhere, right, And they call it that on the Arabic version of the website, which is really interesting. Right, it's either the Oil Sustainability Program or the Oil Demand Sustainability Program changes the meaning quite a bit, I think.
So are they clear this up for me? Please? I'm confused. So are they the same program with different names, or are they two separate entities.
Or similar bodies of board members or whatever they are? These two different, completely different organizations.
It's like if Sony called itself the Sony Company or Sony Company, but on different websites. It's the same exact things, the same.
Thing with two different names. Okay, got it?
And you know it could be something that's lost in translation, right, Going from Arabic to English, but I don't think it is. And the reason why I don't think it is is because there's this undercover investigation where journalists pretended to be people who were interested in this program, so they basically got the entire pitch from the Saudi government and officials there.
And that's that's why this is even a story, because the way they talk about it to people who might be interested in the program versus the way they sell the program to the public, it's just so very vastly different. And let's get this out of the way. This program is overseen by Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman, and it involves the huge like the biggest oil companies in Saudi Arabia and a Ramco is a name that you might remember.
These are the big players in oil. And I guess that means in a way they're conspiring to do this stuff because they are, you know, like I said, they are giving a different public story than they are behind closed doors. Let's get into what they're saying. The reporters ask the people giving this presentation whether it was their aim to quote artificially stimulate demand in key markets, and they responded, quote yes, it's one of the main objectives
we're trying to accomplish. We don't believe it's possible that developing countries can skip the fossil fuel phase, because in order to implement electric vehicles, you'll need a ready infrastructure. I want to pause here and ask you guys about what you think of that. Do you think you have to go through the development phases of what you would need to have to run gas powered cars before you can run electric powered cars?
The leap frog? Yeah, technology theory?
Right, yeah, what do you Well, that's exactly what I'm saying. I'm asking you guys, what do you think?
I guess I reiterate my posit. My previous question is sort of like this is a business move. This is like a three dimensional chess move, right, like to figure out what the next phase of this legacy product is that you're so invested in. So I don't quite understand the question, like into the infrastructure already there?
No like what what what?
What's different about this than just traditional old selling petroleum.
Well, because they what Saudi Arabia wants to do is invest in let's say Rwanda, and they want to build a bunch of roads, right, the way the US builds.
Petroleum to like literally, let's let's let's move the the gasoline guzzling vehicles to these other countries that don't have the infrastructure yet.
Yes, according to the Saudi Arabian officials, roughly three percent of people who live on the African continent own a vehicle, so they want to make that number skyrocket and in
order to you know, have a vehicle. The type of vehicle that they want to sell and they think they can sell to people living in Africa are like a very affordable small vehicle that they want to work with manufacturers to create and then sell in whatever country that they're partnering with in this case again Rwanda and a handful of others. Let me jump back to the article here.
It says the projects are in three categories, transport, utilities, and materials, with the third promoting the replacement of some cement, steel and wood used in construction with oil derived plastics. So again they want oil demand, right, So it's not just a car that runs on oil, it's also a power plant that runs on oil. It's also oil to be used in the manufacturing of plastics for things like construction. It's basically like, yeah, I get it, I get it.
They're saying to African countries, as you are developing our direction and yeah, we'll give you a sweet deal, but you got to get hooked on our oil and only.
Our drug pusher mentality.
Dude, bro, that is exact exactly a quote.
That's what it is getting them addicted.
No, exactly. For Mohammed Adao, he's the director of a think tank called Power Shift Africa, and this is his quote. The Saudi government is like a drug dealer trying to get Africa hooked on its harmful product. The rest of the world is weaning itself off dirty and polluting fossil fuels, in Saudi Arabia is getting desperate for more customers and is turning its sits on Africa. I mean, that's the
way it feels to me. But again, if you're a developing country, can you leapfrog those other technologies before you just all of a sudden have electric vehicles, all of a sudden, have sustainable energy.
We want nice things too, we want.
Cars, we want to be able to do all these things the rest of the world's been doing for however long. And you're saying because of pollution. We're not able to do that. From their perspective, I would argue that would be like, that's bullshit. We get to do You guys did have been doing this for years.
But it's weird because there is brand new technology that could leap that exists.
Though, isn't it more expensive?
It is more expensive, But you know, I'm not somebody who can make policy decisions or understand or where money would actually flow to make this happen, But it does
seem as though you wouldn't have to do that. The example I have in my head has to do with communications technology, and I imagine living in a neighborhood where in twenty twenty three, my neighborhood still has telegraphs and that's all we've got because we haven't done as well as the neighbors around us, right like the other neighborhoods, the other neighborhoods.
Who have who have fiber internet, you know a couple streets over.
Yeah, but they incrementally, over decades and decades, installed all the infrastructure they needed to have telephone wires and to have DSL cables and cable from the cable company, and you know, fiber optics running through their streets and all that stuff. They incrementally got to the point where they are. But if all of a sudden, my neighborhood has the means to upgrade, do we have to go through all that other crap.
Well, that's yeah. I think that's a great example to interject. We've talked about this previously, Like the leap frog technology argument is valid and it's powerful, and I love what
you're bringing up all the perspective of other countries. So the Industrial Revolution, especially as it metastasized, we could say it was able to get to these extremes of fossil fuel pollution and climate degradation, was able to do that by outsourcing a lot of the problems, a lot of the waste to these other countries who are now saying, you know, in so many international climate conversations, they're saying, well, how come you're changing the rules of the game when
it's our turn at bat? You know what I mean? Why can't why can't? Right? Why why can't we enjoy the advantages that you had when you were outsourcing the consequences to us for generations? And to your point, Matt, about the idea, yes, the technology exists, is it expensive. Sure, but isn't the global economy kind of an ideological argument to begin with? And what about if we practice current economy?
What about economy of scale? These kinds of solutions, like electric vehicles, desalination, they become increasingly affordable the more widespread they are. And with Saudi Arabia, you know, with this plan, which I do. I mean, it's nomenclature again, it's like the hypnosis conversation, right, what words do we choose? Is it a conspiracy or merely an economic decision on behalf of a state actor? Like the reality is that there are things that would be better on the African continent
with how did they say it? They said something really slick in that article you shared by Carrington. They said, we're removing barrier. Right, a lot of people use it wood fired stoves, and that's terrible for the inside of your house. That's not great for forest which are already under threat. I mean, I see that there's an argument there,
but also yeah, they definitely have an ulterior motive. Wasn't there that quote oh years and years back about the discovery of petroleum and the growth of petro based empires where some guy said, look, Yeah, I'm going to drive a Mercedes. My kids are going to drive a Mercedes, but my grandson is going to ride a pack animal. If we remain y Mars, if we remain reliant on fossil fuels, which are not an infinitely sustainable approach to life.
Yeah, the real heinous thing for me about all of this is because one of the primary criteria for this project, you take on a contract with another with another country. Again, have you got several keep talking about Rwanda. Nigeria is
another country they're working with in Ethiopia. But one of the things that you have to have as a country to get into this program is a quote incremental demand potential, which means they're going to see a ton of growth as you get more and more of these petroleum products and again energy infrastructure plugged into your whole grid.
Nigeria makes sense, of course, it's that Nigeria's experiencing explosive population and economic growth. That's like, you couldn't pick a better candidate, honestly.
Well, sure, but it's again it is getting your hooks in as early as you can and making sure they're deep. Whatever. Who am I? Who are we to talk about this stuff? It's just it seems it seems wrong, I guess in some way. But at the same time, I don't know. It feels like a gray area to me.
It's predatory. Is it not a geopolitical version of grooming?
It is? I think you're right, But but it's what every large international company does. They get their hooks in you, right, I mean with phones with any text. Does that make it right?
It's not right.
The only way around it is for another giant corporation. Let's just say a Tesla or something to just give free Tesla's to like everybody over there, and and and.
Still, and it's never going to happen. It's just not going to happen.
There's no humanitarian uh effort that would be that large and just purely benevolent. It's just it's just too expensive. I don't think it would ever happen. And I'm only saying Teslacas they make electric cars. I know Elon wouldn't do anything like that.
He's too greedy. I mean, I think, you know, I think.
That would be insane giving giving away a bunch of really expensive vehicles, right, I mean, I'm.
Just saying, what's the alternative? Like, you know, you'd have to again give them an incentive. You'd have to set up a system where it made sense, or help build that infrastructure and make the cars more affordable.
You know.
But they're they're barely able to get get that technology sold to folks over here and make it stick over here. You know what I mean, it's taken ages. I just I'm sorry. I don't mean to be doom and gloom about. I just don't see this is this is a business opportunity and nothing more.
And that's how it's being treated. But yeah, it is super sketchy and gross.
You mentioned three D chess, and of course let's get in front of the email. Yes, all chess is three D. You mentioned you mentioned this chess game, and I think you're right. No, because let's consider also that currently the government of China is the leader in the world of
electric vehicle manufacturing. So if you are playing these reindeer games, and if you are Prince Ben Solman, then you are looking at how to guarantee continuity and power and had of money for your place, the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia, which is still very much oil reliant. You have to wonder what the government of China is thinking about these moves, and you got to wonder what kind of conversations those guys are having in the back rooms.
Yeah right, According to a doubt, the only way this gets fixed is if rich nations, as we said that already went through all these processes that are now trying to be climate neutral and striving so are to do that, to invest large sums of money so that individual nations within Africa can can leap frog. But it would take a lot of that's what I'm saying.
Yeah, I mean, obviously give everyone a Tesla thing is absurd, but that's what I was inching towards.
And that's the only way, and I just don't see it happening. And yet we as a country give or invest in other countries if we want to participate in a coup or help out if it'll enrich us, but we don't really care about people's quality life or the freakin' planet. Let's just be honest.
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News, and we have returned at the top of this week's Strange News segment. We gave a disclaimer, hopefully a strong disclaimer. We're going to reiterate it now. The following story that you are about to hear is not appropriate for all audiences. It does contain incredibly disturbing, at times profoundly graphic descriptions of crimes that I am going to argue connect to a larger pattern. I'm not sure. I'm not sure whether you could quite call it a conspiracy,
but it is a problem that will continue. There's a guy named David Fuller. I want to go to a Guardian article by Kevin Rawlinson, along with the help from the Guardian staff. This person, this monster, is a murderer, is a necrophiliac and for more than a decade, for like fifteen years, he got away with desecrating human bodies from twenty fifteen to twenty twenty without ever being caught.
And this happened in the United Kingdom. He is currently considered to be the worst necrophiliac killer in British history. He abused the cadavers of more than one hundred women and female children. Because the hospital where he worked, or the series of hospitals where he worked as an electrician, just never bothered to check out him. To that earlier point about the at times necessity of security cameras in
places like Disneyland, this came out right. This might sound like old beans to some folks, but this investigation that just came out, just got published, happens while this guy is already behind bars. He got what's called a whole life order, which in the United Kingdom means you go to jail and no matter what, you're going to die in jail. Even though they're not practicing the death penalty, they're removing you because you are a danger to society.
The inquiry, led by a guy named Sir Jonathan Michael, said that over the years, again over a decade, there were multiple missed opportunities to not even investigate, to just acknowledge the evil behavior of this super creepy guy. He
was apparently going beyond his contracted hours. He's going to places multiple times a day, he was taking tasks always in the mortuaries that were not necessary, and he was lying about what he was doing because he had chronic back problems so he could not carry out some of the work that he claimed to do. The police raided his home and they found that he had taken photographs as well as video footage of himself conducting these acts.
And I think this will be surprising because quite a few of us outside of the United Kingdom have not heard of this guy. I mean, have you heard of him before? David Fuller, No.
He went to trial in twenty twenty one and never heard of this guy. Seems like it seems like we would.
Yeah.
Yeah. Is it shocking to think that like this is not newsworthy enough in this day and age.
I don't think it's that. I think it was what is it? It's what Ben you said. The investigation just concluded. There's a trial in an investigation.
Yes, so the trial. The trial pertained to the charges of murder, and so he was. He was sentenced to life in prison for the murders and degradation of two people. The inquiry comes like pretty much every sexual abuse case in the United Kingdom, The inquiry comes well after the fact, right, The inquiry arrives as this guy is already locked up, he's no longer committing these evil, heinous acts. But I ask you, and I asked this in good faith. It's
not a rhetorical question. Is this indicative of a larger pattern in the United Kingdom. I mean, in the notes I shared, I called it shadows of Savile, And we know what that refers to, right.
Jimmy Saville, the children's doc show host. I guess who was a serial pedophile?
Right?
And necrophilia and necrophilia Jesus Christ.
Yeah, I mean, okay, so I'm do we know if he was abusing people before they were dead like in other I guess I would. What I had read about him is that he was working in that morgue and desecrating the bodies that were found in the morgue between ages of nine and one hundred.
Yes, and over one hundred people. We know that. So in twenty twenty one, when he gets convicted of the murders of Wendy Nell and Caroline Pierce, he had committed those murders over a series of months in nineteen eighty seven. And it seems exceedingly rare, unfortunately, that creature of this ILK would commit two sexual assaults and murders and then just stop, you know, I mean, sure you can see a window of time where there's sort of a where they sort of go into a dwarper like Dennis Radar
aka BTK killer, but they usually come back. So unfortunately, and we don't have solid proof for this, but unfortunately, it is highly likely that there were more things. A lot of these, a lot of these individuals build up to the murders. So we know this guy had a history of antisocial behavior that he kept under wraps. He had a criminal record for burglary I think a robbery. But it is if the precedent of these sorts of behaviors, if it can be applied to this guy, then it
is almost certain that he probably sexually assaulted people earlier. Now, what's the primary difference? He is, as far as we know, not plugged into the higher ups, the posh, the aristocratic network that touched law enforcement and kept people like Cyril Smith and Jimmy Savile away from the consequences of their horrific crimes.
This gives me thinking back to a conversation I had with my partner not terribly long ago about how, you know, oftentimes folks that commit these kinds of crimes were themselves victims of horrific acts of sexual violence, you know, from a very very early age, and it just, you know, to the point where it just skews their psyches, you know, absolutely beyond repair, especially if these things are never reported
and there's never any intervention and stuff like that. Do you think cases like this are a psychological psychiatric issue or a criminal issue or both? Or like, where is the line? I just I'm always I'm fascinated by this, and I don't have an answer. I'm just I'm interested in what you guys think and also what you listeners out there think.
But okay, I know those you know what I mean. You can be both. You can have severe mental illness or a cognitive condition and still be very much such aware that what you are doing is a crime. So I would imagine that most of us, most of us fellow conspiracy realists tuning in this evening, can agree that the act of something like necrophilia is indicative of some sort of mental aberration. However, the question then becomes, how
does a society deal with things like this? Right? Is it like the Is it like the old adage about how when you catch one bug or one rat, you know there are multiple other ones out there in the same area.
You know.
This reminded me of I can't remember which one which of us did it, but there were there were a couple stories in the past about abuseive dead bodies in funeral homes in Georgia, and they weren't. They weren't doing the same sort of evil things, but they were putting them in mass graves like out the woods and stuff.
That's a grift though, you know, they were trying to make money and.
Not have to actually invest in the right things that that you know, would be what they were being paid for, right mm hmm.
Yeah, And it's still it goes back to the commonality then, is that it goes back to this series of assumptions that we seem to make in society about the protection of those who have passed on or their remains. I mean, like, shouldn't there I just sort of assumed that there were security and cameras in these environments, in these institutions. How on earth does someone get away with doing this kind of unclean vials for a decade and a half.
Inside job excess.
You got to think about when when they searched this home they found eight hundred thousand images right they were taken what they were taken inside those mores eight thousand eighteen.
That's insane. I thought you were about to say no man no.
Wow, and five hundred individual videos where again it's him doing act to dead bodies in these places where there are where there is no camera. But I think about, why would you need a camera in the room where the dead bodies are most of them that are inside, Yeah, you know, like the what is the correct yeah.
Things, Yeah, the old joke going anywhere, you.
Know, But like I guess, I don't know why you wouldn't imagine the need for that security measure, right until you discover somebody like this guy and you're like, well, now we're gonna put cameras in every single one.
Yeah you know. Another thing too, is that the United Kingdom is one of the most heavily surveilled populations of the world in terms of deployment of closed circuit television cameras, you know, like they have CCTV every where. We talked
about this in previous episodes. And look, maybe this is one horrific, egregious thing that does not illustrate a pattern, but I ask you and I put this in the notes too, like think about think about things like the UK just has a terrible track record when it comes to these things. And yes, the names of the powerful people or the names of the monsters doing the most egregious crimes. Those always hit the headlines. But what about
stuff like Operation yew Tree. What about the fact that over and over law enforcement fails to do its job and then has someone comment, oh, we should have an inquiry, and then the inquiry says far after the fact that there was some kind of negligence to the point of itself being criminal. But how far can this sort of pattern continue before the old chestnut of a a persistent lack of curiosity on the part of authorities, How long can that excuse or rationalization hold. You know what else
is out there? It's scary, scary stuff.
It is weird, man, because theoretically he was doing his job, right, isn't that the thing that he like? He was just going down to the morgue to perform job duties or something.
Yeah, but off the clock, outside of working hours, there's a that's the problem. There's a line where he was he was visiting up to four hundred and forty four times a year. Geez, so multiple times day.
What you doing?
What you're doing down there?
Right?
That's all I would take.
And how many people had the breakroom conversation where they were Like, damn that Dave, guys, he gives me the X. You know.
Yeah, She's now gonna sound like I'm being a necrophiliac apologist, But like, do we know of any other acts, any potential going further than that and making the dead bodies himself?
No?
I did it twice in the eighties, right, And what Ben? I think I totally agree with what you were saying. Somebody kills another human in nineteen eighty seven and they're just now in twenty times one getting in trouble for that.
There's things that happen in the interim, is what you're saying. Very likely. I'm sorry I missed that.
I feel like a dumb dumb No that no, And I would say that's where my mind goes.
They're just now finding that out. What's the stuff they didn't find? Where are the other bodies buried?
You know, exactly in one of again, the most surveilled populations on the planet. So is it a matter of a persistent lack of curiosity which is just a nicer way of saying wilful blindness and looking the other way? How come these people don't get caught until far after the fact. This is a similar question we could apply to institutions like the Catholic Church or indeed the Boy Scouts of America. And again we're not, of course, obviously we're not saying every priest is terrible. We're not saying
every Scout master is a monster. But in the United Kingdom specifically, a lot of people seem to be getting away with a lot of very very obscene, unclean atrocities, like there're atrocities. And the Health Minister attempted to make a proactive statement and said Maria Caulfield apologized on behalf of the entirety of the UK government and the National Health Service or NHS, and said that this report has made for it's part of a two part independent inquiry.
They said this report has made for quote heroin reading, and that lessons will be lernt and that no family has to go through this experience. Again, nice words, pretty words. They sounds sincere, But how would you feel knowing this pattern if you lived in this place. Can they really say no family has to go through this again? Do you really want to hear someone say lessons were learned, mistakes were made?
How do you even quantify that kind of assurance?
Exactly.
You just can't.
You just can't, especially when it's gone on for so long. I think you're kind of done. Your credibility is sunk at that point, right.
And.
You can read much more about this stuff that we are not going into detail in on the show. You can find full information about this. Also, we should say David Fuller is a pretty common name in the anglosphere, so it's so make good point. Look for the Yeah, I always I always think that when I whenever I read the story about one of these monsters and I think they have a common name, I'm always thinking, like, oh, like.
Adolph in Germany megaular for a time.
Yeah, yeah, right? Or pole Pot Actually that was his street name. I think we mentioned this previously. Do you guys know Polepot's real name, like his boor name? I kid you not? Salath Sar? How sith? Lord? Does that suck?
Sali Sar arguably creepier than Poulepot.
I would say it's objectively creepier than pole Pot.
Maybe he changed it because he needed to soften his image a little bit. It's very at least optically Lincoln paper.
And then because he failed at those optics, he committed mass murder on people who wore glasses. That is part of the true story of the killing fields we are we're going to call it here. We want to know, especially if you live in the United Kingdom. We want you to let us know if you do see a pattern of maybe not maybe not cover ups, but maybe some sort of wilful negligence or criminal criminal criminals, criminal mischief. There we go callbacks as always, folks, thank you so
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