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Hello, welcome back to the show. My name is Matt, my name is Noel.
They called me Ben. We're joined as always with our super producer Alexis code named Doc Holliday Jackson. Most importantly, you are here and that makes this the stuff they don't want you to know. It's almost the most wonderful time of the year. We hurtle headlong toward Halloween, and the news just continues to grow stranger and stranger. Like the old way we're talking about. The best excuse pre COVID to get out of any social obligation is just a respond I can't make it. I have become strange.
That's what's happening with the news. So much so, in fact, that we decided we would do something a little bit different this evening. We for this week's Strange News segment. We're going to start with some updates, just some mentions of things that have happened that we've had our eye on that you have doubtlessly heard a little bit about we're going to explore AI lawsuits. Tom Hanks, America's cool stepdad, finally got mad about something. We're going to see that.
Arizona has also canceled that incredibly controversial Saudi Arabian water extraction project. There's a serial killer in Thailand. The qan on queens moving into real estate. That Kansas newspaper that got raided has some more updates. But maybe you know space junk always, but maybe we start with an update on the murder of Tupac chikor.
Sure, as we're recording today. On October four, last Friday, the state of Nevada, they had a grand jury who officially indicted a person in the murder of Tupac. It's incredible.
It's incredible too, because you know, I remember this from my childhood. You know, this story was obviously huge, but I had completely forgotten that it took place outside the MGM grand on the Vegas Strip where we all recently were, and it was obviously a huge deal to anyone that was, you know, living there, playing there, going to college there at the time.
I can't imagine.
And the person who was indicted officially his name is Dwayne Davis. He's sixty years old. He's also known as Keith d And yeah, he was been indicted with one
count of murder with a deadly weapon. And I guess the story here makes me wonder why it took so long to have some kind of action, because allegedly there was footage of the interior of the casino where Tupac was involved, as well as a bunch of other people involved in an altercation with this person they've arrested, nephew, and that is supposedly the reason that Tupac was shot in the first place.
But Davis is not the trigger man.
No, he's just the person alive.
He's like the producer of the assassination.
Well, and if we learned anything from our What Casinos Don't want you to know episode, it's that these places, even back in the day, you know next level surveillance. So to your point, Matt, you got to wonder why this didn't come to light sooner given all of that, you know, footage that must exist.
Yeah, it had a lot to do with the book that was published not long ago that gave some insight into what happened.
Basically, questions still remain regarding the specifics and that point about the timeline, I think is is a big question. One of the instructive things about this, or illustrative things, is that it helps us realize that these cases don't stop just because they're not immediately in a four minute news burst every day or every week. And I want to shout out again some of those excellent letters we
got from members of law enforcement. There was that one fantastic point that people kept iterating, which is it's not necessarily that celebrities get more law enforcement work done on their cases. It's that the public does a lot of stuff and sometimes finds things that would ordinarily not be found.
Yeah, very very true. You got a couple quotes here from a BBC News article that was written titled Tupac Shakur Dwayne Davis charged with the nineteen ninety six murder of Rapper and down here we've got some quotations from people like Greg Cating, I think is how you would say it. He's a retired LAPD detective who worked on this case for years and years and years. He told
the AP he's not surprised about mister Davis's arrest. Quote, and this is what I was kind of referring to here, quote all the other direct conspirators or participants are all dead, and he said mister Davis was literally quote the last man standing in the case to be charged. So it is in a way almost a ceremonial charging. Even though they also say there's a prosecutor named Mark Dia Giacomo,
which really interesting name. They said that this guy was basically a leader of a gang called the South Side Compton Crips, and he was basically or he's being described at least as a commander the person, as you said, Ben orchestrated the thing, put the hit out on Tupac as a direct result of the altercation in the casino.
Oh, okay, so there was you know, I mean, obviously a lot of conjecture was that this was related to blood feuds between East Coast and West Coasts, you know scenes and obviously the notorious Big Biggie Smalls was also killed, and this sort of runs counter to that. It seems like, you know, Tupac, who is a West Coast rapper, was taken out by West Coast gang.
Yeah, it certainly does seem that way. And again because of some whatever the altercation was about. I haven't read enough to like be able to speak on why they fought in the casino that day. But it seems like something small like that. I don't know, it's tough to imagine that it can lead to the death of someone as popular and well known as Tupac.
I don't know, man, that feels like it feels like those deaths do arise with small things when egos come into play, and oftentimes people who make a big deal about demanding respect are crazy reluctant to give it in return, So very small things can escalate very quickly. Generally, feel Yeah, when people feel that they're they have somehow been disrespected or not treated well, even if they're not treating the
other people well. So, as you said, questions remain more will probably come to light, to shift to or pivot, as Corporate America says, to something that might be a bit of a good strange news update. Remember Fondo Mante, that Saudi Arabian company that came to Arizona and started stealing all the water.
How could I forget the alfalfa?
It's all we talk about, right, Yeah, they've been accused of water resource extraction because they had a six hundred and forty acre lease in a place called Butler Valley, and just recently, perhaps due to public pressure, the government of Arizona said they're going to terminate that lease. They're essentially going to kick this Saudi Arabian company out. And the big question is does that set a precedent? Should
that be a thing that governments can do. Like we've also been getting a lot of letters about, you know, foreign based proxies for different countries buying up land here in the United States or in other parts of the world. What do you guys think should a government be able to do that to say, like get out, Yeah.
If you've got a precious resource like waters in aquifers below land and some other country comes in and buys hundreds of acres, I mean, and they're accessing that water and then taking it out of the state, out of even the country, maybe yeah, I think you should be able to say nah stuff.
And I think a part of the conversation we had about this recently in terms of like does it go both ways?
You know, like where it seems like the US is.
More prone, maybe because of capitalism or whatever, to allow these types of deals to go down, whereas other countries are a little bit more national realistic about that kind of thing. Maybe there are isolated cases in other countries that I'm not aware of, but that certainly seemed to be the takeaway from our conversation that it's a lot easier for big foreign interest to do that here than.
It is, you know, the other way around. M H. There's a there's a global aspect to it as well, when we talk about resource extraction. If a country like the US can do this, and you know, personally I agree, I think that's a smart move long term, then shouldn't other less developed countries be afforded the same rights? Should in the countries on the African continent be able to just say get out with all without all of a sudden having a coup, Shout out Wagner, shout out US trained militaries.
I don't know.
I think it's going to become more of a pressing issue, you know, to your point all about our earlier conversation, it's going to become more of a pressing issue as global events become more chaotic and as resources become more precious. I also looked into the desalination science that we talked about previously, and it's a hard problem. I don't think there's a way to make it cheaper. Further, I don't think.
I don't know about you, guys. I want to sound nihilistic, but I don't know whether humanity could responsibly use cheap desalination technology without also destroying the ocean is the issue.
My understanding has been that it just requires a lot of power, and massive power source. So it's almost like the you know, six one, a half dozen the other. You've got the thing, but you're also, you know, expending insane amounts of other resources to make the thing happen, and you have to question whether the trade off is actually worth it or not at scale.
Yeah, and then you would use fossil fuel, so you increase fossil fuel dependence, so you might be helping in one way while you're hurting in another.
Guys, we've talked about Davos before or and recently there's been a video circulating of a twenty nineteen talk that somebody named Rutger Bregman gave where he discussed, Hey, we're over here talking about all of these initiatives to help the climate, all of these all these philanthropy initiatives, all
this stuff, but we're not talking about taxes. Nobody's talking about taxes, and everybody here flew in on their private jets, you know, as heads of these major corporations, but nobody wants to talk about actually paying the correct tax price so that state governments and countries have the amount of operating funding to do things like build a desalination plant or one hundred and not have to worry about that it costs a lot because it's being funded by the companies that operate in these areas.
I don't know, ye know, it's kind of funny, not just sort of similar.
I maybe a good a good thing that Coldplay has done. They did this whole initiative with their most recent tour where they made a pledge to reduce the emissions of this giant touring operation touring organization, and I think the takeaway was that they did okay, that it wasn't exactly what they wanted, but I think they even went as far as to say they're not going to tour again in the near future because they found it too difficult to make as big of an impact as they wanted to.
And it's an interesting point.
You've got these these billionaires going to Davos. Presumably you know, an event that's a summit that's meant to better the world. But yet you've got these folks just expending massive amounts of resources for very personal reasons. It doesn't quite line up with the stated goals, you know, and good on Coldplay for doing that. And to be honest, surely there are many other people who would want to emulate that
action or that intention. But the truth of the matter is Coldplay is a massive commercial succes so they kind of have the privilege of saying we're not going to tour until we figure.
Out a way that we are comfortable doing it. So but good on them. I think that's really cool. And so with with that, Coldplay has earned the the highly prized and extremely rare stuff they don't want you to know, Stamp of Approval, Metal of Freedom, the Medal of Conspiratorial Freedom. And we're gonna take a moment of reflection on our pals at cold Play. While we do that, let's go to an ad break. We're gonna return with a fascinating
update from our neighbors to the North. No spoilers, but it's a doozy.
And we're back with another something in the way of an update. It's been a little while since Romana di.
Doulo or Diddulo has been in the news.
Y'all may remember from strange news pasts strange news past. There is a couple of interesting stories. This is a I believe, a person of Filipino origin who is a Canadian who has who made a lot of noise as a kind of real figurehead in the QAnon movement, which itself has sort of not been as much in the news lately, but that doesn't mean that's not still you know, top of mine for a lot of folks.
And this, uh, this deduo who's.
Known as the QAnon Queen, tried to declare herself the official Queen of Canada, the true Queen of Canada. Is a big fan of commondeering stuff. I believe one of the past stories involved a bus or a van of some kind that she used and never returned. I believe it was a rental van that just was like, no, it's mine now, the QAnon Queen, you can't touch me.
I can't quite remember where that would shook out, but apparently she's still up to her old shenanigans again now in the form of taking control or I guess you could say, squatting with some of her followers in an abandoned school in a rural part of Saskatchewan. Just a couple of weeks ago, or a little less than a couple of weeks ago, Romana didulo the QAnon queen came to rich Richmond m O U N D.
I don't know.
I think it's probably just pronounced Richmond, Saskatchewan. Rolled into town with some of her followers in a convoy. Again like previously, I think, you know, case in point with the whole stolen minivan situation. Like it's sort of like road warrior type stuff. It seems like they're like this nomadic kind of sect. I guess of this QAnon.
Let's just be real cult because they keep getting kicked out of places.
They keep getting kicked out of places, so probably best to stay on the move. But now old old Romana has decided to settle down in this abandoned school that has sat empty for.
Quite some time.
I want to say almost ten years, eleven years the school has been closed and now these you know folks have kind of taken up residents there, and Brad Miller, who is the mayor of Richmond told Vice News in an article by mac Limoureau, which was what I used for research on this story, also has some great outbound links. Had this to say about the incidents.
I guess the.
Ongoing I don't know, it's starting to feel like almost like an Aimon Bundy thing, like it could it could go there. It feels like it could, yeah, it could go that direction, or like David Kerr kind of thing. Again, we haven't seen violence directly out of this group, but people are a little freaked out. This is what Brad Miller, the mayor of Richmond, had to say to Vice News. The families are afraid to let their kids go to
the park, which I totally agree with. I asked a kid the other day when he thought about this, and he said, I'm not going to play there too. Scary when you see the lights on at the school. So I guess, on the one hand, it's creepy because it's been abandoned for so long and now all of a sudden, there's something going on there. And the kids know that it's not quote unquote legitimate, it's not a proper school, and they are these kind of I guess, rebel type forces.
These sort of like I don't know, separatists, individuals not associated with the town, not associated with the government, just kind.
Of hanging out there.
Apparently they're like posted up on the roof of the school, like surveilling the townsfolk with you know, video cameras and stuff or their phones or whatever.
But yeah, it's super, super weird. It's also it's a dying town, right. I do believe that's right.
Yeah.
I didn't get into too too much background about this about the town itself, but I do believe you're correct, Ben, This, you know, QAnon or Dodolo rather is entirely funded, you know, by this group of her followers. She is very well known for asking for money all the time, you know,
on social media. There was a thing I think that where she was like had some sort of private telegram channel or something like that where it was just for communication directly with her followers, and I believe some of the past stories there are some screenshots about that, and she likes to do videos and it's just you know,
pretty radical, not like in a Ninja Turtles kind of way. Yeah, it's very strange, and I could see how this would feel a little in intimidating, you know, for the for the kids not to mention them, you know, and their parents and the government, and it sure seems like they don't quite know what to do about it.
Well, I'm really confused because who owns the building, who owns the property that the school is on. I'm assuming that it was a county school, right, that's all the municipality.
But there's the the reason we're asking about I'm asking about Dying Town too, is because I suspect the school has been closed down despite being county property, because there is a lack of teachers, which is a problem that rural Canada as well as Alaska have been struggling with for years. So there's surely there's legal action. I don't know what squatters' rights are like in Canada, but if there anything like Europe or some parts of the US, then you have to have an established presence for X
amount of years or something. So surely they have like the schools closed before, the law enforcement places closed when a town is depopulating, So surely there could be someone who can roll up there and say you don't own this.
I think only around two hundred citizens in this town, which.
Is ghost town material and adulation has been declining too, Yeah, for sure.
And you know this, this fear, this unease is not without reason. Like we know a lot of folks in this kind of movement tend to do, is issue sort of thinly veiled threats, you know, using terms like the lame stream media and all this stuff. And in videos that Dedulo and some of her close followers, there was actually a nine hour live stream that was specifically for the benefit of the locals. I think this was in response to a rally that was held by the locals to try to get them out of there.
What was the protest side, Please leave our town and let our children come out. And that's way so polite, that's so Canadian. I do love that. I love them. Please Didula and her followers made a sign of their own. They made kind of a.
Makeshift cardboard billboard that had a list of reasons that the locals should start following her, should join up. You know, I mean, she's she's looking to exploit all of the things that we're talking about, this sort of dying town,
maybe some desperation you know, felt by the locals. So yeah, and also, you know, again, lamestream media saying this town has fallen victim to the lamestream media and all this stuff, attacking reporters including Vice News, you know who have Actually I believe most of the stories in the past were from Vice News who have covered you know, Dedulo and her kind of followers.
In the past.
So yeah, there's let's see. One of the second in command, I believe, someone known as Darlene Andy said in the live stream, these village folks bought into the lie after lie after lie by the paid for bought soul journalists and mainstream media infiltraders and traders.
It's time to grow up, y'all. I like the work play, Yeah.
I still don't understand because everything feels so passive aggressive to me, Like with standing in front of the property and be like no, go away, and then them standing up or taking a trip into town saying I'm gonna film you local people and we're watching you Like what.
That's classic cult behavior?
But what the heck?
Man Like, it reminds me of wild Country. But yeah, absolutely, yeah, what the heck? Why not? Why not just send in the stormtroopers?
Well a sheriff, A sheriff that says, hey, uh, you have the you have the papers for living here. Do you do you own this property?
No?
Oh you don't. Oh you're paying an electric bill. That's where the squatter's rights could be a problem, because there is electricity in the building.
So running water or other amenities to my understanding.
But again, even if you're in a small dying town, I guarantee you can get help from the state level, like you could. I bet there's a marshal or some kind of service that would that would help out a small town in need.
I guess a lot of people are spooked by this whole koresh idea, this whole Imanbundie idea, like if you start to bring in the heavies, who knows if these folks are armed. There isn't any mention of that, but it's hard to know. They did roll out a wire like that sort of was their like line of demarcation, like like almost like challenging the townsfolk.
To cross it.
This wire which is very close to this park that's being referenced. And you know, according to to Wess and some of the great research they've done are reporting they've done in speaking to former members of this cult, it's a very abusive situation, traveling very like caravan style, like a you know, kind of like this nomadic culture. A lot of you know, classic cult behavior, emotional and verbal abuse, othering, cutting people off from their families, trying to turn people
against each other, all of that stuff. And you know, it would seem all of this at the behest of Didulo, who, you know, like many cult leaders, is operating at their own whims, you know, and much to the downfall of those that choose to follow them. You know, it's pretty scary stuff. I like the isolated I like.
The idea of a protest barbecue. Though shout out to the mayor that's in the Vice article you linked. And again, you know, to the questions that we're asking, which I think are very reasonable questions. We have to remember, as you said, it's not quite been two weeks, right, or it's been like I think this news article was from last week Advice maybe like five days ago or something, so it's it feels like it's almost certain that the local county forces, the mayor, the municipality and so on,
have put out the call right for some support. So I imagine that their will that this is an unsustainable situation. There will will come a time when they leave or forced to leave. That is a precedent that this group is set, and it might be portrayed as a vision on behalf of the leader, right, that wouldn't surprise me.
And there's an image on the Vice article of this protest and there's like fifteen people, you know. I mean, I don't know exactly how many people are in Dedulo's coterie. I wouldn't be surprised if it was more than that, but it's not quite clear.
I do remember.
Something's coming back to mind that you guys will probably remember too, is one of the calls that Didulo made in some of our videos was for people to not pay their mortgages and to stop paying their bills because they she's the Queen of Canada and basically has you know, unilateral power to say you.
Don't have to do that anymore.
And that resulted in a lot of folks believing this and having their power shut off.
So I'm even losing their homes and there is you know, again, this is just this is from.
The Vice article, and I think very important to end with is that within a lot of this rhetoric, there's kind of this like veiled threat of violence to anyone that might oppose her and to anyone who might defect from her.
So there you go. It's a weird one. This kind of gives me the willies. I don't know about y'all, but what do you.
Say we take a quick break and hear another word from our sponsor and then come back with a bit more strange news.
And we have returned. We've got some We've got some more updates, more strange news. But we were talking a little bit off air during the break. Hope you had a good one about what we wanted to start with. We need to give you an update about that kans newspaper that got raided due to small town Facebook drama with a restaurant owner who people were lying about different charges and he got very messy very quickly. Check out
our strange news on that. The update that we were talking about earlier this week is the police chief there, Gideon Cody, has been suspended by the mayor. This all dates back to the August eleventh, probably illegal searches of the newspaper, the Marion County Record, and the private home of its publisher.
So something was the issue in the first place, that or the allegations that maybe we're circulating as to why he did this.
It's been a minute, I kind of don't remember.
Allegedly, the paper accessed personal records right illegally, probably through like the white pages or something, which is not illegal, and said some disparaging thing about this rest local restaurant owner. The restaurant owner kind of pulled, not pulled strings that had sway had influence maybe yeah.
Pushed say juice some section, as I believe he said last week. Yeah, what's that from the wire? Yes, yeah, So it looks again like the small town corruption that is unfortunately not uncommon, not just in the United States
but across the world. And this time it's interesting because the mayor originally said, who would wait for the results from a state level police investigation, and now he has perhaps read the room, said okay, well we're going to suspend you because he doesn't want to be on the wrong side of this.
And then last Saturday, as we're recording this, on October fourth, the police chief who was suspended decided to resign and made basically I guess send internal communications to the mayor, and then the mayor made the announcement.
Well, yeah, him learning how to read the room real quick, good, good job, you can't fire me. I quit. Classic, classic words from a real winner. I said it. So we've got other things here that we wanted to get to. One that is a nice compliment to our Space Race episode which came out recently. We talked a little bit about space junk in that episode. We have to talk
about space junk whatever. We mentioned near Earth orbit because you guys, if the galaxy is a suburb and the Solar System is like a little cul de sac street, we are in the crappy house. We're in the trashy one. We catch it all over the yard.
Yeah that's right, that's right. But don't worry. The FCC is coming in with the cleanup crew. They're the Federal cleanup crew. That's that's what the FCC stands for now. So guess what what? They just issued their first ever fine force AACE debris issues.
I guess.
Seriously. There's an article from BBC News you can read it was. It was posted October third title US issues first ever fine for space junk to dish network.
Dish networks like the FCC won't let me be let be well done. Wait does network still a thing. Yes, okay, yeah, okay, I'm just I had Dish Network back in the day and as long as the weather was right, you could see some amazing things.
There's still a dish on the house that I recently got. It's sitting out there. I haven't taken a wrench to it yet to take it down.
But in HK Man, n HK is the best public television on the planet New Hampshire. I wish it's it's Japan's like Japan's PBSS.
Wait, I'm still I don't want to Does it have any of the game shows on it?
I hope so? Uh, yes it has anytime I'm there. Uh, it is just it's hypnotic because you know, we're not to date ourselves, folks, but all four of us on the show this evening, and probably you listen along at home are old enough to remember local public access TV and how nuts and hypnotic that was. NHK is like that on a professional level, and they do have what I think are games. Uh sometimes I don't understands.
Are always a little amorphous, I think maybe to a foreign audience.
So is this a thing though? Are you serious?
But like, if you have can you get satellite dish access through Dish Network. To like programming from other countries.
You need an uplink, got to get the satellite uplink.
Well you can. Yeah, just denied is what the FCC says. Yeah, there are different ways to act. First off, as you know, of folks, we are huge proponents of accessing media sources that are not from the West. It is incredibly important to do so. For instance, the Al Jazeerra you see here in the United States, it's not the Al Jazera other parts of the world see. It's an important distinction.
But as for Dish Network, for your question, I think it goes to the big question for Matt, is Dish Network going to be able to afford to be a company anymore after this? Egregious?
Fine, dude, they're going down so hard for this. I'm going to give you the stats here. The FCC find Dish Network a whopping one hundred and fifty thousand dollars. Now we're filiar one thousand dollars for failing to move an old Echo Star seven satellite far enough away from other satellites that are in use. This is important. This satellite was launched in two thousand and two the year in which.
I graduated high school.
This guy graduated high school too, And so for twenty years it was kind of doing its thing. But the plan was for Dish network to move that satellite one hundred and eighty six miles further from Earth, but they were only able to move it seventy six miles in the over the course of twenty years, which means it is seriously in danger of impacting other satellites and it is no longer in use. So it's just a dead sat. It's not dead, but it's essentially impact.
It's a bullet waiting to hit a target, but not just a mallus of space.
Yeah, Jesus, I want to give you this for context. This is a quote from the head of NASA, Bill Nelson, when we're talking about space debris and how how big of a problem it is. He says, quote, even a paint chip, Guys, a paint coming in the wrong direction at orbital speed, which is seventeen five hundred miles per hour, could hit an astronaut doing a spacewalk and it could be fatal. So now imagine a satellite. It doesn't matter how big the satellite is it's got components, it's got metal.
If it hits another piece of metal going that fast, it does what you were talking about on the episode we just did, Ben, that shrapnel begets more shrapnel, right.
Yes, just like in a horror film. The problem with fighting zombies is that everybody on your side who is bitten becomes a zombie themselves. So every time this think of them as bullets. Every time one of the bullets out there in space hits another one, a it's like a gun that turns targets into other guns.
But thousands, if not hundreds of thousands more guns.
I'm picturing like a final destination in space scenario with that paint chip situation, just like a ripping through the astronauts head in elaborate three D gore effects.
I have to ask, though, Matt.
This one hundred and fifty thousand dollars five laughable considering what we're gonna get to. I think when we close, about how much money this company is worth. Surely moving the satellite or you know, getting it back to Earth, which seems out of the question, would cost way more than one hundred and fifty k.
Yeah, it's a satellite that lost it. It has no more fuel, so we cannot move itself. So you would have to send a mission up to latch onto it in some way and move it physically.
Millions of dollars. There's millions of dollars. It's one satellite, Michael, how much could it cost? And yeah, yeah, I mean this is going to be something we returned to. If you haven't checked out our Space Race episode, please do, and please check out our earlier episode from few years back on the militarization of space, because just to be very clear, beat me here, doc, it is going to happen.
It is going to happen. There is there, There are no great precedents for us to look at in this case, but every kind of precedent we have shows us that this is going to happen.
One hundred percent. Oh my gosh. Well, and just if we can get things past the space debris field, because there are an estimated ten thousand satellites going around whipping around above us right now, going seventeen thousand something miles per hour, and only about half of them are active, are actually communicating and doing their thing, so about five
thousand are just just rocky space space ghosts. I love that Okay, so how do we do we think the FCC will be able to prevent this kind of thing from happening in the future, which it is kind of a science problem more than a policy problem. When it comes to a satellite losing its fuel. It's in a way.
Multiple people, I think, so, multiple entities.
Yeah, but if the FCC can slap one hundred and fifty thousand dollars fine on a big company, maybe it'll catch on. Because you know, Dish Network last year only made sixteen point seven billion dollars, So like, gosh, one hundred and fifty thousand on that amount is really gonna hurt. That's about zero zero zero eight nine percent.
They're gonna lose their minds in the boardroom. But uh, this so this is a developing story. We are going to inevitably return to this. We'd love to hear what you think about space finds. I love adding the word space to the front of stuff. It's the best. It's fun.
Okay, silver lining ish though, it's something right, it's it's.
Just putting it in the news.
Great.
I wouldn't have known the Dish Network even still existed. Again, I'm out of the loop, but I mean a lot of times, Like you said, these things are sort of ceremonial fines, and it sort of hopefully causes some policy change or causes folks to not want to have bad publicity.
Maybe I don't necessarily know, but.
That that's that's if you read the articles that are floating around. That's that's what people are hoping is the best case scenario. It gets pressed and people will notice. Yeah.
And then in addition, now, because so much of jurisprudence is based on past rulings, now there is a way to point to something in the past and say, remember, we prove this is a no no. So you how much money does your company make? Okay, well, you guys, o us point zerosie rosie rosie rosiero whatever percent of that mm hmm, go forth and be good. Right, yeah, yeah, right, yeah.
Speaking of speaking of things to your point, Noe that don't get in the news, like to take just a little bit of time and tell you guys about a very disturbing true crime situation. May not be appropriate for all listeners, but I haven't seen a ton about this reported in a lot of Western news. According to the government of Thailand, they have just caught and convicted the most prolific serial killer in the country's modern history. This
is a spooky story. It's a story of a female serial killer, Sarawat Wrangsi with a pond and pardon not native Thai speakers. But what you need to know is her street name is Am. She has been called Am cyanide because over the course of several years, she routinely used poison to mimic heart attacks in her victims. She's killed at least fourteen people in eight different provinces think of like states of Thailand. And she did it by mixing cyanide into their food.
Wow, why does she have a motive?
Was she?
I don't know, Yeah, why gambling?
Debts? Apparently people to whom she owed money or people that she was attempting to defraud. Similar to like how HH Holmes who gets romanticized. Let's be frank, the US romanticizes serial murders. HH Holmes was killing people partially because it got off on it, but partially because of this
huge financial incentive. So apparentlym had an issue with gambling and would get deep into gambling and then would reach out to people in her circle that she had befriended somehow and then invite them to dinner.
That's so crazy.
How do you get away with that? From so, this entity was operating from at least twenty fifteen to twenty twenty three, and see reports about her. You can see the photographs of this person, mugshot and so on, looks like any other person, because that's how serial killers operate. I'm just startled that you could get away with this using the same mo O for this long and.
She hasn't changed her name or anything, right, it's still her name, but I bet she's got aliases.
Does this speak to the structure of detective work or crime prevention in the country.
I don't know. I'm wondering to your question, like, why would it take this long? Is this? Was this person just careful enough?
Were these autopsies reflective of heart failure?
Was this missed? I'm a little confused. Yeah, it's tough because you know, we're not forensic experts. We have we have some fellow conspiracy realist who are in that field or are in that industry. So that's a question for you all. Maybe you can help us out here. How difficult is it to prove that cyanide was the cause of death. Is it one of those things where it's rare enough that if you weren't looking for it, you
would miss it. It seems like she gate. It seems like she was doping them with a lot of cyanide too, the kind of stuff that would leave physiological marks. Really yeah, right.
I don't know what that looks like. I think physical marks from cyanide.
Apparently cyanide poisoning can affect the color of the body, certain extremities or something. I don't know how much cyanide you have to give people. On a positive note, since we're attempting to be positive in this evening's strange news, the government of Thailand has said they're gonna tighten some of the restrictions on cyanide.
Oh that's good, right on, They're like RB you know.
She Currently this person has multiple charges. She is being compared by authorities to Jack the Ripper. She is considered Thailand's first female serial killer, as well as by far the most prolific. She said that she did not commit murder at this point, but she said that she did probably give people sie eye. She so we don't know. There was one survivor who will come to trial or participate in the legal proceedings. But I'm still just I'm startled, like,
couldn't you do a blood test to find syanide? Right? If it was enough to kill someone.
Certainly it makes sense that it would have such a reputation as like a who done it?
Kind of murder weapon, you know, And we know that the lethal dose for potassium cyanide is some around ballpark two hundred and fifty milligrams and the exposure will result in death in less than thirty minutes, So it's fast acting as well. It's not one of those things where you slowly poison someone over a period of time. We do want to say, we do want to give a big shout out to the investigative forces in Thailand because it can be very difficult to put these things together
and to conclusively link each instance of a murder. That's tough business, that's real police work. Even in the age of social media, that can be very difficult.
And I certainly wasn't attempting to cast any aspersions on the police force of Thailand. It was just a question when I posed earlier about like how could this happen? And you guys I think have answered that, you know, especially in terms of yeah, it very likely could have been mistaken for something else because of how quickly the substance moves through one's system.
But to your point, Ben.
The article on ABC dot net dot au mentions that more than nine hundred witnesses were interviewed and more than twenty six thousand documents were examined and analyzed. So yeah, very much kudos to the police force over there. This obviously was not an easy.
Feat. I think it was.
Maybe you mentioned this and forgive me fourteen bodies that were examined and seven of them contained, they did find traces of syinide somehow, so I.
Knew what they were looking for.
Now, that must right, And maybe there are markers of it too, Matt, like it might be through your system, but maybe there are certain types of organ failure, certain types, you know, the extremities thing that you pointed out, Then maybe there are markers that you can look for even if the substance is no longer in the in the system.
I'm just conjecturing here there has to be something right and with this, we'll keep an eye on this. This may become an episode in the future again, not appropriate for all listeners. But here's where we end. I thought this would be a cool little callback, a nice little bookend to the point about the Tupac murder and disastrous things leading to that. Appeared to start kind of small. That's how they caught Om Cyanide because of a small thing.
Her friend, thirty two year old named Syrupon Konwong was apparently died of heart failure. It's tragic, but it happens a lot of people die of heart attacks every year in any country. But because of unusual financial activities that they clocked upon the death of this person, that led them to Om and then they started looking at other things related to her. So it was a chain of events that led to this killer being apprehended because there were going to continue obviously, I think at this point
a lot of last scene with situations. Right. Yeah, we would love to hear your thoughts on resource extraction. Why does it apply in some places not in others? When are you going to hang out with the QAnon queen? Will we be able to get into that into Thailand? After talking about the serial killer? How much should people pay for space junk? What's a fair price? Find us on social media. Give us a call, definitely right to us.
We'll tell you how to do all of that right now. Oh, butat ben I'm on the edge of my seat.
What made America's sweetheart uncle Tom Hanks get upset?
Oh he was in a deep fake ad for dentistry without his consent. It's the harbinger of many more things to come.
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