CLASSIC: What is the Windsor hum?

Have you ever heard a noise you cannot explain something that is continual, something that is Dare I say haunting? That's our classic episode.

This evening, specifically a hum as you indicate it with your delightful home sound, and specifically in the area of Windsor, Ontario in Canada.

Yeah.

Oh, this is a baffling one, guys. I know we have talked about strange hums that have been occurring more recently because this is back twenty eighteen, but there are some hums happening now that are associated with what they're like large data centers, but they're specifically for crypto mining. Sure, they emanate this weird hum. And there are some small towns across the globe they're like, man, there's something new and weird that's happening.

We've heard all kinds of stories where people attribute like sympathetic vibrations from like a modem or something to ethereal kind of sense. It's very interesting, and this was kind of the first story I think I had run into with y'all that really starts to dig into that kind of phenomenon.

And as someone who has active auditory hallucinations, this is pretty interesting to me. As well. Here's our classic episode, what is the windsor hum?

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Welcome back to the show. My name is Matt, my name is Noel.

They call me Ben. We were joined with our super producer Paul Decant. Give him an audio nod or clap. The spirit so moves you. But most importantly, you are here, and you are you, and that makes this stuff if they don't want you to know. We hope this podcast finds you in good spirits. We hope you find our voices. If not soothing, tolerable, just get.

Some room tones, some hum tone.

See now, what we'll do is take that and then run it through a program that specifically deletes all of that.

Yeah, because we're all about noise reduction here on stuff they don't want you to denounce.

Correct.

We also link many podcasters put in our due diligence when it comes to finding, isolating and erasing strange or extraneous noises. And this brings us to maybe an opening question for today's show. Have you ever heard a sound that bugs you. Now, we're not referencing something like missophonia, where certain noises push you into a blind rage, like snoring or the sounds of forks on ceramics. That's a big one for people. We're talking about something you just can't quite put your finger on.

In some cases, as in my case. In our home, there's a leaky faucet that I have yet to fix, and I keep putting it off. But man, that sound, it just feels like it reverberates throughout my smile, my small home. Man, there's these sounds happen again. It's almost like they're haunting me. But there are other things, like maybe a fan. It's oscillating just slightly as it's spinning around just a little too much.

You know, I have a family of rabid squirrels that live in my attic. Oh wow, they make all kinds of sounds. Oh yeah, they do. I've had that before. We actually just fixed it. But I was really worried that my landlord was gonna block off the hole while the squirrels are still in there.

And then the smell. You didn't think of the smell, you.

Know, well, I texted him, please please don't close up the hole while the squirrels are still in there, and he seemed a little offended that I would think you would be so stupid.

But the onlyas only response was sure.

Oh I thought it was a reply was lull, No, it was.

I'm actually unclear about what that response implied, if he was annoyed with me, or if he really hadn't.

Considered it right right. It's tough to tell and text, but there is regardless of the source of the sound, there's an immense satisfaction we can all agree in identifying it and stopping it. You know, and you find the leaky faucet, you fix it. The squirrels are out of the attic. But in some cases, that wine, that creek, that hum or, that odd bump every night at three thirty seven am, regardless of what you do, in some cases,

Windsor, Ontario, is right across the river from Detroit, Michigan. It is the southernmost city in Canada and actually due south of Detroit.

Due to the way the river bends. And it's counterintuitive on the map. It's not a huge metropolis, you know, it's new in New York City, Shanghai or Chicago. But it's certainly not a tiny town. It has a pretty pretty robust population.

It has a metro area, right.

Yeah, And it is strange to see it when you see Lake Saint Clair and then just this river, the Detroit River going down in How really close these two cities are Detroit in Windsor.

It's odd, Yes, yes, it's odd, and they're so close that they cannot not affect each other correctly. The total population of the Windsor metro area as of twenty seventeen was around three hundred and forty four thousand, seven hundred and forty seven people. Weird to say around and then give the exact number, but that probably has changed over time because we're in twenty eighteen now. As Noel pointed out, that metropolitan area includes more than just Windsor, as Tecumsa, Amherstburg,

Have we not yet?

No, No, I've never been to Canada that I recall.

We'll get up there.

Well, let's get up there together, guys. How about that?

Sure, let's take a trip. If we go to Windsor, According to some of its critics, we will be visiting Canada's armpit, place known for car robberies, drug dealing, and quote zero to little culture. One person poetically noted.

Windsor smells like desperate American youth mixed with dirty Canadian hosers.

Who are these people talking such trash about Windsor?

There are people from Windsor Windsor. One student at the University of Windsor said The city may smell, and the university may be but who gives a once you're drunk. Wow, not a ringing endorsement. But the city has been on the up and up recently.

Yeah, there's been some urban revitalization, the thing we call you notice that sound there. Gentrification maybe is another word to call it. But hey, it's been in full swing. All kinds of things, you know, are being created there that used to be on the rubbels of someone else's troubles.

There we go. That was well done, Matt. Yeah, Art Galleries and Windsor is also known for its pizza. Apparently the secret is they cut the pepperoni into small bits really nice.

Do you think it's sort of like the New York pizza dough and bagels?

Because there's something weird going on in the water.

Quite possibly. I would love to check it out.

Sure, take some tests to samples, Yes.

Yes, for sciats. We can pitch it to our bosses. If you live in the area, right in and let them know that you'd love to see us on the road. Foreshadowing. It's also known for its strip clubs, and, according to some more cynical locals, the best thing about it is that it's close to Detroit.

Really really close.

M Yeah.

Atlanta is also known for its strip clubs, just putting that out there because we have something in common.

Oddly enough, Portland is known for that too, is that right? Yeah? Well, the last time I was there, the uber driver told me it was listening facts about Portland, you know, and he one of the facts he lists did somewhat awkwardly. He said, I, you know, I don't know if you're into this or what kind of trip you're on, but Portland has the highest per capita amount of strip clubs. And I was like, you mean in Oregon and he said, oh no, no, no, no, no, in the US. I

I just picture the strippers in Portland wearing all handmade clothes, right, birds on it.

I don't know.

Sorry, I love this.

Sorry, we could only hope you know that sounds pretty interesting. Of course, there is one other local phenomenon, and that is the subject of today's episode, the hum because, along with several other small towns, Windsor, Ontario, has been plagued by this humming sound in unpredictable ways. At least since twenty eleven, no one seems to know the origin of it, and as of yet, as we record, no one has been able to accurately predict when it will occur.

And do you want to let everybody hear what it sounds like. We're gonna play a quick clip here. But if you don't have some pretty good headphones with frequency response that goes well into the deep registers, you may not be able to hear this your phone, definitely, if you're playing with your phone speakers, you're not gonna be able to hear it. So prepare yourselves with some either headphones or speakers and listen to this. And that's it.

Which is great. That's my favorite place in Atlanta.

It's one of the coolest places in Atlanta. But if they have an outdoor concert or something, you can totally here in the sub for like way way far away.

Yes, yeah, because that sound carries so powerfully, and we know that for many people listening, it may sound like you just sat through a couple of seconds of silence. But as my fellow co hosts, both of whom are noted audio experts, can assure you, we really did play a clip that had a sound in it.

Right, Yeah, it was real.

I mean Paul was supposed to stick it in and post. He did his job.

Right, then, we did play a clip. We didn't make it happen manually, though.

Oh we got the we got this shrug.

Yeah, he did it, he did it. You know, he's the only person on our show who gets introduced with the last name. Isn't that kind of strange? I feel like if somehow he's way more important than us.

You can use any last name you want on the show man.

Oh yeah, they call you Ben, all right, I got you.

You can use any name you want. And I you know Noel, now that I think about it, we've never checked to see whether Matt's real name is Matt.

I mean, that's kind a real trustworthy face.

That's true.

He's doing it. He's doing it right now, face you stop.

It's kind of like it's kind of like in primal fear Edward Norton's character for most of the movie. Yeah, did you see that?

Till the turn?

I don't want to spoil it, but but we do know that this thing is apparently real nowadays. If you're a person given to Facebook and you're interested in this thing, there's good news. First, you can go to our community page. Here's where it gets crazy, where you can find where you can find us and your fellow listeners sharing strange, bizarre stories and sometimes some really solid jokes. Yeah, yeah, exactly.

Come for the creepy stories, stay for the memes.

That's what we've always said, every time, every time. And the second thing you could do if you are interested in this is check out Some of the Facebook groups dedicated to solving the mystery of the hum have not conclusively solved it yet, and we'll tell you why in

Yeah, the ranges those people like you said maybe my dad heard it to other people who have four recording like recorders set up on their property somewhere recording every day. Just listening to this hum and trying to figure it out.

Is think, you know, off air, we had talked about this a little bit. This made us think of how many strange noises we just encounter and accept in our day to day. Now, the four of us live in a city, we live in a metro area, and really it's startling how many noises we just don't consciously register

Whatever it is. It's always something, especially if you're outdoors. That's when you'll hear the construction equipment that's going on miles away that you had no idea what was happening, but you can totally hear it.

And so it's not unusual to have strange noises in our lives. But the hum is a little bit different in this case because it has been linked to detrimental health effects.

Yeah, I mean, this definitely changes the game a little bit. It's been linked to actual physical symptoms like depression, which seems broad to me, but we can move on from that.

Here's some more measurable ones. I would say.

Nausea, sleep problems, heart palpitations, earaches, headaches, not to mention another one that's a little broad, but I love it, widespread annoyance.

That's probably the most easily understood.

Yeah, yeah, I guess, I guess when I say broad, it just mean like one person's base level is another person's hyper annoyed. But I'm more interested in the you know, the heart palpitations and the earaches and anything physical like that.

You know.

I mean, it sounds like most of the people that live.

In Windsor, Ontario are probably pretty depressed and annoyed already. If the descriptions are any indication, just putting that out there, no judgment on you windsor these are in your words.

Right, yeah, these again we haven't we haven't been there. But I appreciate the point you mentioned all about baselines being radically different. You know, some people are just real pills. That's a tragedy of the human condition. But some experts have started calling this a vibroacoustic disease, which sounds cool

Which I think you get from pretty slow and steady hearing damage over time. It's certainly one way, like if you're a sound guy, for example, in your constant exposing your ears to you know, above recommended decibel levels, you know, on the regular, you could develop something like this. I could see how this relatively imperceptible low frequency sound too to most or you know, obviously it's perceptible, but it's certainly kind of it's not to the point where you

And the other thing is, since it's such a low frequency, it penetrates things like walls when you're in your home. It's their reports of being able to hear it sitting in the middle of your living room or in your bedroom when you're trying to sleep. So and if you imagine that sound of if there was a subwall for somewhere outside of your house.

Was just going.

I'm picturing this sound as like a personification of some sort of creepy dude and like a trench coat, just like coming into your house while you're asleep and just humming in your ear.

Geez.

I would take the dude sound.

Honestly, because you can do something about.

It you can put down somebody, just the way you said about you're like, you know, it could can come through walls, it's coming in while you're sleeping, it's constantly outside knocking on your Yeah. I mean it's a great point. And another worthwhile point to make is that this is not a case of people imagining a noise. This is not mass hysteria. This is not a shared audio hallucination, at least not all the time. Because surely when you have a population this size, there are going to be

Yeah, if it's just a couple of residents around the town talking about, hey, I kind of heard this thing.

Maybe, Oh, Ben, can I clarify with you?

So this doctor Cohen Cohan, he is he saying that the sound itself, when experienced, could be as debilitating as tonight's. Just this the existence of it constantly in your life, or that it could cause the kind of effects that tonight's would cause.

Great question. Note that it would be equally as much of a pain in the kyser as tonight, not that it would cause it.

Got it? Okay?

Well, I think I mischaracterized it entirely then, But yeah, it's interesting. I mean, I bet you there's a there's an alternate opinion too, probably many.

Oh yes, so we will encounter them this thing. Here's how real it is. This thing is so painful to part of the population that they've packed up, they've moved, they've raised their tent stakes and tried to escape the HUM. So what on earth is this thing? Where does it come from? Will tell you after a word from our sponsor. Here's where it gets crazy, because you see, the concern about the HUM went beyond chatterick town hall and angry post on forums. The authorities got involved.

Yeah, the Canadian government, it's did. There was a month long investigation by Natural Resources Canada in the summer of twenty eleven and it identified the HUM as a prominent airborne frequency of approximately thirty five hertz. And there is a report that you can read on this that you can find online by the Geological Survey of Canada that was performed in twenty eleven and it goes through exactly what they found.

Yeah, and there was another twenty fourteen investigation carried out by the University of Western Ontario or UWO and the University of Winsor, and they were supported in this study by the Canadian Department of Foreign Affairs and International Trade or Defight A Fight the Fight. They also confirmed the existence of the hum in their study, and both of these endeavors were able to prove that there was something weird going on, something amiss, even if they could not

And in that study they even look at the hum in general that we've spoken about on this show before, in all these various places of the world, which you know, you imagine that the windsor hum is a very specific thing that probably has a source. But then there are all these other places in the world in Wales, in British Columbia, in Mexico, Alabama, England.

New Mexico too.

Yeah, just all these places that experienced something.

Like this, and the question then becomes what could be causing the sound. That's what they were attempting to answer in this case. And they had the benefit, at least the residents of Windsor had the benefit of a government

Ours, conspiracy theories.

Yep, from a PhD thesis that seeks to incorporate or the noise into song or figure out what kind of musical pattern, like you could sample the HUM like you get or maybe it's some other grand song like a whale song or.

Something mm hmm, gotcha okay.

But coming from the Rouge River or maybe the Detroit River.

Right, yeah, so not maybe not a whale, but some sort of yeah, some sort of musical phenomenon. There are also theories, of course, that link the HUM to unidentified flying objects or UFOs or possibly covert tunnel by the Canadian military. However, these studies, although again they didn't definitively get their kaiser SoSE here, they did pick what they would call a place of interest it's a little place called Zug Island.

That's not real.

It is very much real.

Wow, And it's an amazing name for an island.

It's a terrible name, Zug. What is it like? I am King of the Zugs.

Yeah, it's like a it's like a space slug.

They sound like enemies of the Umpah lumpas.

Indeed, it's got a different name, the whole island. It is kind of It is an island now. Now it wasn't always an island, but it's a fascinating place.

I'm sorry, I how does something have not always been an island?

I'm so glad you asked.

So. Originally the land, the land that would become Zug Island was a peninsula, and for thousands of years it was this uninhabited area that was also a Native American burial ground.

True story, Yeah, an uninhabited Native American burial ground. What do we mean by uninhabited? We mean that native populations would go there to bury their dead and would not live there because they would be living on a sacred gravesite.

Yeah, and there you know, Wow, I'm picturing like a pet cemetery kind of situation.

Well just wait, so then it becomes an island after a canal is dug. Okay, so if you're looking at it on Google Maps, Detroit is just above it. And then across the river, of course, you've got windsor and you're traveling down the Detroit River, there's this tiny little thing. It doesn't even look like an island at all. And that's because this canal was dug around this peninsula area where the Rouge River goes into the Detroit River.

Right, yes, So now with this canal, the idea was that the ships would be able to save some time.

That's all it was meant for.

That's all it is. It's a shortcut, and this allowed ships to bypass not even that much of a distance, like several hundred yards. Maybe. The island is named after a specific guy, Samuel Zug, a bookkeeper and turned into a furniture magnate. He went to Michigan to become a furniture magnet and he turned into a real estate mogul. And originally he and his wife were going to live on Zug Island. It didn't really suit them, so he ended up selling it and it became a place where

Big industries too, were talking iron and steel works, and it really has. The work that's gone on on top of this land has really taken a toll on it over the years. And if you look at it in Google Maps from above, it just like a darkness.

Like a dystopian vision. Yeah, from a steampunk novel. Yeah, yeah, it does have an environmental toll. According to an article in the January twentieth, twenty ten edition of the Detroit Free Press, the neighborhoods around the area comprise six of the ten most polluted zip codes in Michigan, six of the ten.

Geez.

The air quality samples contain lead, high levels of methyl ethyl ketone. Large numbers of cancer and asthma cases occur there. There are foul smells with sparkly dust that have to be removed with toilet cleaner.

Geez.

But the good news is local businesses, communities, and governments have so far kept part of the island undeveloped and otherwise scarce. Wildlife can thrive in those areas right now. One of the big business on the island is US Steel. You may recall, friends and neighbors, especially American friends and neighbors from recent conversations about steel tariffs here in the United States. Yeah, still in business. It's a big business.

Well, according to US Steel their website us steel dot com, this facility is called Great Lakes Works, and on there it says this is just what it says, steel making occurs here. It has finishing facilities, and products manufactured at the plant include hot rolled, cold rolled, and coated sheet steels that are used primarily by customers in the automotive industry. However, if you look at the thing, and you look at the place, it doesn't look like much is going on there.

That's the other thing that's this is the primary beef people have with it. They say that US Steel is uncooperative in terms of allowing access to the island, and that breeds of course, that breeds suspicion, right.

Yeah, But we've run into this before with any kind of utility or large corporate entity or manufacturer.

They don't want you coming around their place, right.

Like with the looking for the Secret Buildings, the hidden Buildings in New York, and we found this power substation that was disguised as like a you know, apartment. We wand around there for five minutes since someone came out and told us to get I mean.

In a very polite way. That was very nice guy.

That's fair.

I'm just say I don't think it necessarily implies a conspiracy right off the bat, but you know, there's a probably good reason they don't want people coming around.

Yeah, this is a great point. So the con ed substation, Mott Substation, an Haven, Mott Haven, thank you with two t's. That place looks like a fancy condo or apartment building that takes up an entire block, and they don't want you there.

This place is the literal garbage island.

Right, They don't and they don't want you there, And it's it's a great point. It doesn't mean that something the farius is going on. It just means that, look, they're not going to be selling to the public. The four of us aren't going to walk there and buy you know, two tons of cold rolled steel for our purposes.

Not this year, not this year, saving up for that big DIY home improvement project.

I'm gonna build a I'm gonna build a mech nice. But this is a great point. I mean, that doesn't secrecy does not necessarily imply any kind of any kind of untoward activity. But we can totally see how people who think that, because the big question is, you know, if you're not doing any wrong, why can't we see it. One of the arguments, by the way, from Mount Haven that substation is an argument about security of infrastructure. So we were able to find it because we're you know,

Just to jump on the arguments you guys are talking about with the secrecy and everything, the other issue here is that it's an international problem, right, yes, I mean we're talking about two different countries that are separated by this tiny little body of water going across and what people on one side are being affected potentially by what's going on on the other side.

Yeah, as as you mentioned earlier, Matt, they are going to inevitably affect one another regardless of what's political. Borders exist, they don't change the geography. And that's also part of the reason why the Canadian studies could not make definitive conclusions, right. They couldn't get access. Uncle Sam said nah. Well, Us Steel said nah, and then Uncle Sam said that's.

Right, that's my boy, and got his back.

So they did their best isolate and again, the science here is really solid and they're pretty transparent about where they feel. Their study came up short due to the unpredictable nature of the HUM. They had all this equipment out, sometimes the HUM just wouldn't show up. It does what it will.

But they were able to possibly trace the HUM to kind of a specific area, and we'll talk about that right after a quick word from our.

Sponsor and we're back, Matt. You're absolutely correct. They traced it to Zug Island and furthermore, they traced it to a blast furnace.

Yeah, dude, these headings on this outline sound like the chapters of a young adult fiction book. We've got like Zug Island and the blast Furnace, like episodes of Stranger Things or something.

This is a creepy location.

Yeah, let's pitch that Stranger Thing season four Zug Island.

I like it.

I would watch it, or maybe a reality show sort of like The Bachelor in Paradise. But you're on this like Toxic Waste Island. I know there's no actual toxic waste. It just strikes me as like some sort of like Russian toxic waste dumping site that time forgot.

Kind of well, I mean, this does have the workings of a horror movie for me, because there is a Native American burial ground on top of which a giant industrial structure is placed that's polluting all the land below it, and it's part of the industrial machine of the United States that killed all of the ancestors.

So the Native people come back from the day and they're like have super mutant strength and zombie powers, and they come to exact their revenge on those that polluted there.

Rest And then this is in the movie, right, and the reason they rise up is because they had the weight for the stars and the planets to be in the right order.

Maybe that's the source of the hum Yeah.

It's the slow movement of the heavens and.

They all say zug zugar.

Okay, maybe they all hum. That would be scary. Oh they all hum.

That's they're all humming at the same time. And then they've got to create the sympathetic vibration. Then I don't know.

What will work opens up the darkness between the stars rights itself.

Right.

But but aside from our fantastic pitch, Paul, are you in for this horror movie that we just pitched? All right, great, he's in.

I don't know. That was a trupidacious Yes, I do know.

Yeah, we'll sell them on it. Yeah, well, this is just we're just spit volume.

We'll get a treatment. We'll do a one page. So while we're at it, let's examine this blast furnace. These furnaces are huge, they're they're gigantic. They are as powerful

Yeah, this is a US suburb this downstream from Detroit, and they claim in their city council already spent over a million dollars to help Windsor to find the source of this noise. However, they did say the hum likely comes from the steel mill facilities on Zug Island. So they're saying, look, we already gave you a bunch of money, we already try to help. We're pretty sure it's Zug.

Right right, And they're trying to be as on the up and up as they can and say, you know, we're not one hundred percent sure.

But you know, but it is Zug.

It is zuny look at it right right.

Zug should be a word we used for either describing something that's super cool or super messed up.

And we should always we should always be vague about it.

Yeah, sort of like zef.

You know the word. Yeah, that group and everything ZEF. I think that means it's cool.

Nice for me. It's all about warcraft too. The orcs, if you clicked on them, they'd go zug Zug.

Oh so that okay, that's not out a whole cloth then yeah, oh yeah, you know what, maybe I'll get into world of Warcraft one day.

I'm talking about the original one, like the top down, top down command and conquer style. Command and Conquer was and you can build little buildings too, right, like temples and stuff.

I remember StarCraft. I played StarCraft. That was sort of the next level one, right yeah post Warcraft two, Yeah, post wow. I really want to get a magic game together with you guys. The only problem is Matt. I know you would probably wipe the floor with me, so it might not be fun. Ben, I can't.

I know you'd be great.

I know Matt would would be the greatest because he's got the most experience.

I would be the worst, but I would still enjoy it.

Maybe we could start easy and play Munchkin first and then look our way up to.

Matt got me a this is a very kind thing. Years and years ago, Matt and our friend Tyler, a super producer here at how Stuff Works got made a magic deck for me for birthday.

They picked the right cards they thought would suit you and gave you a good good It was well balanced deck.

Yeah, it was a pretty powerful black.

Black and green, black and green deck.

Do you still have it?

Yeah?

Of course, I keep it at my desk in case, in case the opportunity ever arises.

I want a deck.

That's cool.

I'm gonna make my own deck and then we can deck up nice.

And hopefully we can do that sooner rather than later. Speaking sooner rather than later, hopefully this mystery will be solved. I don't know. I wanted to ask you all, do you feel like it's solved? Do you think they've they've found this noise? This low frequency sound would therefore be gas of some sort escaping the blast furnace, or it would be just the operation of a specific blast furnace, likely the one with the broken bell top.

Well, you know, first, Nol, I'd like to get your opinion on something. Sure, I'm gonna have you pull up this link on YouTube that's actually it's actually got a spectral waveform of the hum recording, and I just want you to tell me what you see here.

Well, I mean this is that what we're looking at here as a spectral waveform, which is a very specific type of view. It's a little more precise, and you can use it to isolate sounds that you wouldn't normally see, so you can see things almost like as events. For example, So if I wanted to get rid of a particular.

Sound and leave other sounds.

I could look at the spectral waveform and see, oh, here, at this moment, this other event happens. If you're just looking at a standard wave form, everything's kind of tied together, so there's really no differentiating one type of sound from another.

It's all like one thing.

That makes sense.

So in this spectral wave form, you can see that the sound is a very low frequency sound between thirty and forty hurts, just very very low in the spectrum, and it goes along for about forty seconds, and then around the fifty second mark, Matt, you pointed this out to me off Mike, it pitches up a little bit to about eighty to one hundred hertz and then stays

Yeah, I found this strange, and I thought maybe you'd have some insight on it. It feels to me like something possibly metal or mechanical, that is ceasing, a process that is ceasing, which is too good man to your question. I mean this is you know, I'm not an expert, but catch.

That from far away though you would only hear the part of the sound that would carry you would only hear the low, low, low, low, low frequency part that would carry that long distance. Any little extra clang you would only perceive that. I think if you were close.

Well, I guess if I'm imagining the furnace, the way I'm imagining it is as you're like shutting the process down. If you're just running it for a certain time, Sure, as you're shutting it down. Perhaps there are some sounds with a cracked like you said, a cracked bell that just makes this higher pitch frequency. If you're really getting all the resonance because they said it's aerial sound, right, it's like resonance that's hitting the atmosphere coming back down.

Well, that's true. And I will say we're not looking at a cycle. I mean we're we're it obviously cycles consistently, because we're looking at about a minute of this sound, and then at the end of that minute that's where this other event happens.

So you know what I mean.

It's not like on a loop, there's something that changes in the sound, And I see what you're saying, Matt, This isn't We're not looking at a super spike in high frequencies. It's just like a couple of you know, ten twenty hurts higher, so it would be it would still carry, but it could maybe represent some change in process or something that happens physically to make the sound contort in some way.

And I see what you're saying that does make sense.

And this builds a great case if that, if that is always what we see each in each instance of the hum. For now, despite the research, despite the UH effect, this phenomenon has the quality of life people in and around Windsor, Ontario, the hum continues as we record. There's not much that Winsor can do. They are at a stand still because even if the hum is caused by this blast furnace, Winsor has no jurisdiction over the area.

Do you think it's really affecting people's quality of life? Ben, like, did you get the sense from the research here that it really is.

A problem.

Yeah, when I when I was looking into it, I mean, obviously, the entire city hasn't moved, so it's not as if people are bleeding out of their ears and eyes or whatever. But yeah, this stuff can have a debilitating effect, is doctor Kohan pointed out. And it may sound strange, folks, as you're listening to this, it may sound strange to think think that you might one day be in a situation where a noise bugs you so much that you move. But take that initial impression and play it out for seven years.

Now, Well, do you guys remember that Curb Your Enthusiasm episode where they move into this new house and there's a house sound every night there Larry and Cheryl are reading in bed and there's just this little real and it just happens like once every now and then at night, and they like have a workman come in, but he only comes to night because that's the only time they hear it. And then the episode ends with them like laying in bed and they're talking and you can hear them on the other.

Boys quiet, Quiet, I can't hear the sound.

You know, they do end up moving because of the house sound.

So you know, well, Larry David is also rather sensitive.

It was more Cheryl.

I thought, oh, really, well, those noises can can of course, they get drive you mad, have a bad effect, especially psychologically. It's difficult to have an unpredictable noise.

It's true.

That's one of the reasons why if you're ever already kind of in an edgy mood and you have to spend time with strangers and this probably Matt probably drives you crazy as a talented percussionist. Like let's say you're on a train somewhere, you're waiting in an elevator and someone's just got a yeah beat and it's off, especially if it's a little off exactly, And you know, I wish you could see Matt's expression. We are speaking to

A fun moment. Thanks for bringing that up, Matt. It was neat.

You are very much.

Welcome and hums similar to windsors have been reported in, as Matt said earlier, at least a dozen communities worldwide, Australia, England, Scotland, Wales. You can check out our earlier video we did on stuff they don't want you to know fail well on YouTube and Amazon where we look at the tow hume.

Now, if there's a rattle connected with the hum, then I blame the popular Irish band you.

Too, there's a little rattle in there.

Well, if there's a you know they have that album Rattle and Hum, it's a bad joke.

I didn't even know that it's a deep cut.

Well, we finally made it to our customary YouTube reference.

Yeah, so what are your thoughts on you two? What are your thoughts on YouTube Talking You two to me?

I haven't listened to that one, but I love, love Love Josh. Are you talking Rim?

REMI?

With Scott Ackerman and Adam Scott it's their continuation of the are you talking You two to me? But they talk about rim and they it's I. I don't really even listen to podcast that much. You guys, this one lights up my life. I love it so much. Thank you, Adam and Scott.

Yeah, so send us any of your correspondence. We'll make sure they get it.

Right.

And also, speaking of correspondents, have you encountered the windsor hum specifically, or something like the hum in your day to day life in your neck of the Global Woods.

I prefer smoking in the boys room.

That's probably where. Yeah, that makes more sense.

You know, it's a leisure center. The rules are different. It's like the Vegas of community centers. Folks, we have built since that listener mail episode. We have built this image of leisure centers in our minds that, honestly, I don't know if the real things will ever compare.

I think we need to raise some money to build one right here in Atlanta, of Atlanta stuff.

They don't want you to know leisure center. Yeah, we'll write to our sponsors, Illumination Global Unlimited.

It will be our legacy.

Yeah, there we go. You know what, We've earned it. And presidents get libraries, maybe podcasters should get leisure centers.

There has to be a water slide, though, I'm putting my foot down.

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