Hey, everyone thinks as always for tuning in. As we hurdle headlong toward twenty twenty four, we are taking some time to prep some new adventures, which means we'll have a couple more classics coming out. We'll do two a week for a little while. But folks believe us. They're all bangers, and this one is. This one's a personal favorite. I think it's something we talked about a lot off air, and it eventually became an episode. Did Buzz altern se a UFO did?
He? Indeed? And he kind of started spelling the tea a little later in life, didn't he talking about some things he recalled that he never really talked about publicly.
Yeah, in two thousand and nine he went on c SPAN and talked about a monolith on Phobos, one of the moons of Mars.
Se spam, that's where you go to get to get like clicks. Let's drop the news on c SPAN.
Yeah, the government TMZ for sure.
So you just dropped it was nothing like he really did.
He really did.
And we saw in twenty eighteen that different news outlets, not just C Span, started saying buzz Aldrin had some secret observations and like you said, Noel. Later in life, as a lot of people do, he became increasingly forthcoming about stuff that might have been controversial or still is honestly well.
And then then the scuttle BI was like, has buzz Aldron lost his mind? You know?
Is he sundowning?
Like what is going on? Or is there some veracity to these claims.
Let's get into it.
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Welcome back to the show.
My name is Matt, my name is Nolan.
They called me Ben.
We are joined as always with our super producer Paul Mission Control decand which will be a very appropriate name for today's episode. Absolutely most importantly, folks, thanks for dropping in. You are you, and you are here and that makes this stuff they don't want you to know. A quick question for all of us and then everyone listening as well. When you were a kid, did you ever think of being an astronaut when you grew up?
I thought of nothing else.
We have talked about the fact that everyone went to space.
Camp and me yep, and you got your shirt it was too small though, I know I saw that. Sorry, but we can cut it up and turn it into something else.
It's cause give it to my child. There you go, and maybe maybe it'll get her to aspire to go to space camp on our own one day.
Oh yeah, And to your point, to your point, definitely, being an astronaut, thinking of exploring the unexplored like that that, I think that's a dream of a lot of people.
Absolutely, it's a dream job. I mean, just imagine you literally go where almost no one has ever gone before, and no matter how abstract or inconsequential your mission might seem to the contemporary public, in a very real way, if you are an astronaut, you are paving humanity's path to the stars. Even if you're the world's worst astronaut, which I think we talked about on a previous.
I mean, even being the world's worst astronaut, you're no slouch.
Right right, it's still pretty good.
Yeah, But all the other astronauts know, because I'm sure if.
There's a list, do you think they keep tabs?
Oh?
Sure, like Steve is the worst one.
I hope.
So I've been you know, we've talked about this off era I've been obsessed with this idea for a while, the idea that's somewhere there is the world's worst astronaut. Because it's such a small group or a small community, everyone knows it's like Steve or Derek or something. They're getting their orders to go on the mission. They're like, all right, this all sounds great, and go, oh, one more thing. Derek's gonna be on the squad and they're all.
Like, ah, he's always opening his diet coke and zero gravity gets everywhere. It gets all in the instruments and stuff. It's not a pretty scene.
Always hitting on the server at Applebee's by saying he's an astronaut and then trying to get a discount.
I mean, a very few can actually use that pickup line and be speaking the truth. So we'll give Steve that that's true.
It's true.
Steve and Derek sound like they are in a contest. I always picture the world's worst astronaut is Derek. But right in and let us know what you think the world's worst astronaut.
Where do you think ranks?
Oh, he's near the top as a good one.
Yeah, because the level of entry is just so high to be an astroga, and you know, to be absolutely fair, the difference in degree between the worst and the best here is hopefully very small. Yes, they've got high standards, But today's episode is about astronauts. In fact, it's about one of the most famous astronauts in the world, Buzz Aldrin. Everyone calls him Buzz. His real name is Edwin Eugene Aldrin Junior. But you know, Buzz, that's cool, objectively cooler, agreed,
objectively cooler. That's part of the it's part of what they look for in astronauts, right. He was born on January twentieth, nineteen thirty, in Montclair, New Jersey. His father was a colonel in the US Air Force and encouraged his interest in flight from a very very young age, so much so that he graduated high school one year early. Attended the Military Academy at West Point, where he earned a BS and mechanical engineering. Joined the Air Force after graduation.
He flew F eighty six sabers in sixty six combat missions and shot down two MiGs. He was decorated with the Distinguished Flying Cross.
He flew F.
One hundreds in Germany and then he went back to school earned a doctorate and science in astronautics at MIT and wrote this thesis on manned orbital rendezvous.
That's pretty darn cool man.
I'm not impressed, not yet. Just wait right, okay.
In nineteen sixty three, NASA selected him to become an astronaut, one member of their third group of astronauts.
What a crazy time that must have been. It's like, we've got this new job. See where we shoot you up into space. About that we're gonna try and put you on the moon maybe if that's cool with you. Well, actually, you know, it doesn't matter, you're doing it.
They may not have told him, you know, but obviously this is what he wanted to imagine, getting a degree in astronautics at that day and age in the sixties.
Now, I have a question. I know nasays it's an an independent agency or organization. It's not connected directly to the military, But do astronauts have like are they commanders? Do they get orders when they're given a mission? Is it like, can you get marshalled as an astronaut?
Yeah, this is a good question because they can have a number of ranks or positions. There might be a mission specialist who has a scientific acumen that's needed. But there's going to be a pilot, a commander, a command module pilot. It changes, I think, depending on the mission or the program. So like in Mercury. In the Mercury program they just had a pilot, and Gemini they had a command pilot.
And a pilot. And then if you go to things.
Like the Space Shuttle, there's a payload commander, there's a flight engineer.
Yeah. Actually, I just look this up. It looks like there are military astronauts, but there technically is a funny term on loan to NASA, and they're still held to the standards of their particular branch of the Uniform Code of Military Justice for example. Mm hm.
That's fascinating.
That makes sense though, because there's not enough of a demand for people, right, we don't have enough space ships to justify NASA having its own military branch yet hopefully. So, Yeah, he becomes an astronaut and he gets another kick ass nickname. This guy is so nickname rich. He gets the nickname doctor Rendezvous.
Yeah, that's awesome. By the way, buzz came from his sister couldn't pronounce brother and pronounced it buzzer, And so that's where Buzz came from. I was thinking he might have gotten it when he was a fighter pilot, head haircutter or something.
Now he's doctor Buzz Rendezvous.
Which is up there with Mantis Toboggan.
You know, is you just pulled that one out of No, that's always sunny in philadelph I don't know that. Uh yeah, Mantis Toboggan is a great one. Also a doctor, I believe. Yeah, he was the first astronaut with a doctorate. That's why
he got the nickname Doctor Rendezvous. Additionally here in this nickname because he created the docking in rendezvous techniques for spacecraft and lunar Earth orbit were mission critical for the success of the Gemini and Apollo programs because you know, once you get people into space, they need to be able to rendezvous and dock with things.
Well yeah, and especially if they're going to send part of the ship down to the Moon and then get that ship, that part back up to the main ship and then get out of there allegedly.
No. Yeah, yeah, that's a really good point.
I mean, that's crazy stuff. You think about the math behind that, and I just melt away and you can't you can't find me.
For several days. Okay, just the precision involved in everything has to be just so, the timing has to be absolutely perfect. Nothing can go.
Wrong, I know, just think the heavens literally that doctor Rendezvous was around.
Doctor buzz Rendezvous.
That's what If we get him on the show, do you think he'll let us call him doctor Rendezvous or is that like a term only other astronauts can use.
He might make a face. Have you seen his face? He makes a pretty intense stink face.
Oh yeah, he is.
He is not reticent about exhibiting his displeasure because you know, why does he need to why does he need to play nice?
He's done it all man, He's been on the moon.
Yeah. Yeah, he's kind of untouchable.
He can.
He could get away with a lot of stuff. Now, he could put out a bad New Age spiritual album and people would still say, you know what, it's not my favorite music.
But he has been on the moon.
Did we talk about the fact that he pioneered a ton of the training techniques used to train astronauts, like you know, you always see them training for zero gravity work in these giant pools.
That was his idea, That his idea.
He yeah, he did the underwater training techniques. He also performed the world's first successful spacewalk, which, if you notice there's a weird caveat in there, the world's first successful spacewalk. This was on the Gemini twelve orbital mission in eighteen sixty six. He set a new EVA extra vehicular activity record of five and a half hours. And also he took the first selfie in space.
Yeah, he did. I love this guy, just thinking about that. I really like this dude.
I wish he was like my grandpa. Oh man, grandpa Buzz. Yeah, let me sit on his knee. Tell me tales of space exploration, adventure, teach.
You the complex science of trajectories and zero gravity.
Explain the calculus of space talking.
I would probably be a lot smarter if Buzz alternate in my grandpapa.
I would, you know, even beyond a familiar relationship, I want to just have him in my crew.
Yeah.
So when I take group pictures.
It could be like, oh, there's there's the gang.
Oh who's that.
Oh that's doctor Rendezvous.
Yeah, and he's just in the back. He's not even paying.
Attention, and he's got aviators on.
He's running the numbers man.
Yeah, he's running the numbers.
He can perfectly throw things into trash cans in an office from across the hall. Anyway, that's all awesome and pales in comparison to the stuff that he did, especially on July twentieth, nineteen sixty nine.
That's the big one. That's when he and Neil Armstrong made their historic Apollo eleven moonwalk. They landed on the moon. He took the giant steps for mankind.
In that warehouse in Burbank, captured brilliantly by Stanley Kubrick. Maybe no, maybe we should do.
An episode on that in the future. We always talk about that, fellow conspiracy realists. There are a couple of episodes that we always kick around off air and say we're going to get to one day. Let us know if you would like to explore the Stanley Kubrick and faking the moonlanding.
We did that episode on the movie, the movie that we watched where it's fictional fa the moonland.
I remember that was a good one. Well, for the purposes of this episode, let's operate as though this were a real thing that actually in fact happened.
Okay, yeah, yeah, we'll table that we're tabling all the moon shenanigans Lunar shenanigans for a future episode, but we do want to hear from you. Let us know what you think about this. We are conspiracy a housuffworks dot com a couple of facts about the moonwalk and estimated six hundred million people tuned in to watch. That was the largest television audience in history at the time, and when Buzz and co returned, they received the Presidential Medal
of Freedom. Over the rest of his life post Lunar landing, buzz Aldrin received the Congressional Gold Medal, tons and tons of other numerous awards. He has an asteroid named after him. He has a crater on the Moon named after him. He is a prolific writer, writes a lot of children's books. Surprisingly, it was Operation Avalanche, by the way, Operation Avalanche.
That was the movie.
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, all about it, And do check out that episode if you haven't listened to it.
It was pretty good.
But he is still an advocate for space exploration. And again, you know, he went on the Moon, but there's more to the story. You see more and more people and sources will tell you that while exploring space, buzz Aldrin and his colleagues didn't just see lunar rocks and moondust.
They believe instead that he, along with his fellow astronauts, saw something startling and inexplicable, something that, if publicly acknowledged, could fundamentally change our species understanding of the space around our planet and the universe as a whole.
Are you saying buzz Aldrin saw some sort of life form.
We'll be back after a word from our sponsor. Here's where it gets crazy. According to several different sources, yes, buzz Aldrin allegedly saw a UFO in space. You have, if you have any interest in stories of astronauts and stories of space exploration, we are certain that you have seen this pop up in your maybe your news feed wherever you get your news, or heard about it on a forum or something like that. Apparently buzz Aldrin saw a UFO.
Yes, and this is not the first time that it was reported, but the latest iteration of something like this came on April eighth, twenty eighteen. Yeah, it was a British tabloid called The Daily Star, and they reported that buzz Aldron and three other astronauts Gordon Cooper, edgar Mitchell,
and al Warden. They participated in this study, and we'll get into what the study actually was, but a study that revealed buzz Aldrin as well as some of these other guys, had in fact seen some kind of bizarre object or unexplainable phenomena in space.
Right with a specific quote attributed to doctor Rendezvous, which I'm going to have to call him for the rest of this show, okay, saying allegedly, he said there was something out there that was close enough to be observed, sort of l shaped.
Yeah, Yeah, we'll talk about that attribution, like you said.
Yeah, so we'll tell us a little bit about what went down there. What's the skinny, what's the scoop?
Okay, So the test that they participated in was a different kind of lie detector test and not the one that you might be familiar with if you watch CSI shows and things like that that monitors your specific biometrics of your body, your sweat, your what your heart beat, your heart rate, and things like that. Let's just get into it. So I'm going to read some of the
some couple little quotes here from the article. It definitely states that those four astronauts took part and they all passed this whatever this version of a lie detector test was, and the experts say that the results show and that these experts are completely convinced that signs of alien life
were actually seen by these gentlemen. It was conducted at this place called the Institute of Bioacoustic Biology in Albany, Ohio, according to the article, and it says they carried out complex computer analyzes of the astronaut's voice patterns as they told of their close encounters. So that's how they're looking at these and something that's really important to talk about. Two of those astronauts that they looked at edgar Mitchell
and Gordon Cooper when they performed this test. These guys are deceased.
Yeah, they're dead.
So the story is at the very least coming from a misleading a misleading base, because the way it's written implies that the astronauts were being analyzed in real time or that they were speaking to the people conducting the study, and that is that is not the case.
And here is something of great convenience. Here's another quote from the article. Although the technology is still top secret, these studies are claimed to be more reliable than current light detector tests and could soon replace those used by the FBI and police.
Top secret huh.
Yeah, top secret light detector technology in Albany, Ohio at the Institute of Bioacoustic Biology.
Things can be secret, but they can't really be top secret unless they're classified that way by a government.
Yeah, and you're not gonna have somebody writing anywhere, especially in the Daily Star, about something that is top secret.
I guess a lot of non government agencies use.
The phrase proprietary, like proprietary technology.
That makes a lot of sense for what this could be. And we'll get into what it is in a second.
Wait, so do you wanna do you want to talk about bioacoustics?
You want to hang on for a second.
Yeah, let's jump into bioacoustics. Okay, you sounds so thrilled, man, It's okay. I'm I'm interested in this stuff and I want to know if there's any I don't know basis for what the things what these people are claiming, but as of right now, Aukham's razor is pointing me in an unfortunate direction. Let's just say, okay, you can go to Bioacousticresearch dot com and you can learn about the Bioacoustic Biology Research Studio that's in northwest Ohio. Okay, let's see.
It's an independent research studio and it's currently working on projects regarding PTSD and radiation. Okay, so that's that's interesting. It has references to the high radiation levels present in the sky. And let's see. If you go down on the website a little bit, you can see pictures of the studio that they've got here. They're recording studio essentially, and it looks fine, it looks cool, but it looks
like somebody's house for sure. And then if you continue going down the rabbit hole, you'll find a thing called Soundhealthportal dot com that is also related to this bioacoustic biology website.
But the we should also plan on to be fair.
Just because something's operating out of someone's house doesn't delegitimize it.
Oh no, absolutely does not delegitimize it. Thank you for pointing that out. Then, But it's it doesn't give it the same gravitas as if there is spending by the government for anything like this. It doesn't show that there's a large number of people probably working on this project. It's probably a very small number of employees or self made recording and experts.
And so the idea here at base then would be that using this proprietary or secret technology, the researchers are able to I guess, mine things from voices that would not ordinarily be discernible because I remember they go into medicine a little bit as well.
Yeah, so, okay. Here at soundhealthportal dot com, it says what is human bioacoustics and it states the state of your health is in the sound of your voice. Frequencies and architectures found in the human voice can be used to identify the innate mathematical biomarkers that represent states of health and wellness merv. It sounds a little strange, let's keep going. Frequency based medicine is currently positioned at the top of today's alternative health options. Okay, so we're looking
at an alternative health option here. Everything from homeopathy to essential oils would be considered something like that. And then if you keep going down the website, you'll see things like math matrixes for each individual for your health and wellness, bioacoustic vocal profiling.
Which sounds fascinating.
It does sound fascinating.
I think one thing that a lot of people have a problem with regarding bioacoustics would be that in other aspects or in other parts of the web, it's also associated with the discovery of ancient wisdom or rediscovery of it. There's a quote from Sherry Edwards about this where she says, novel research supports the assertion that ancient templar cross architecture
contains math codes that support frequency based medicine. The idea of revisiting lost knowledge through the use of computer constructed biomass provides a new paradigm that will change the face of future medicine.
It sounds cool, it sounds really interesting.
Secrets of the Templar Dan Brown type stuff.
And speaking of Sherry Edwards, she works with bioacoustics, and she said that the tests that Aldrin went through, she said that Aldrin is sure he saw the UFO even though his logical mind cannot explain it. So with whatever testing she did, the top secret stuff, she was able to tell that he definitely saw something.
So it's not a lie detector.
It is in a way I guess I don't I don't understand, So it's not a polygraph, I guess is what we're saying, because usually when you say lie detector.
Polygraph, the way you're describing it sounds like an everything detector.
It's it's looking at the vocal patterns of a person. So I'm assuming it's some kind of spectral analysis of the vocal like after you record somebody. It's some kind of spectral analysis.
And what are you saying? It can tell you things about your your health.
Yeah, that's that's what it's. That's what the Bioacoustic Biology Institute is saying.
And even even unto the degree of being able to tell you if you will have a quote negative outcome from vaccination yep, based on your voice. And that's that's weird because it's it's saying they can tell that before a vaccination occurs yep. So that's the This is the institute conducting the tests. And they said that I saw UFOs according to Sherry Edwards.
Yeah, and it says that they all did. And if we go back to the article, it states that al Warden, who at the time was eighty six, was on Good Morning Britain and he he apparently claimed to have seen extraterrestrials. And he also believes that we're all descended from some form of ancient aliens. And I mean, really, dude, it makes me want to go down that rabbit hole again. We've been down that rabbit hole several times sure, on this show and in our just daily lives. But you
know it's not just him. You also get edgar Mitchell, who also had claimed to see UFOs. I don't know, he was talking more about chasing a group of UFOs rather than just a single one or something. And then again the article claims that through the testing, all of these men seem to be telling the truth and the whole truth.
And nothing but yep, if this is true, it's astonishing, right, it's mind blowing, and we have to contain our excitement and ask ourselves about the source.
What about this thing? Does it measure up?
Are there other sources that confirm it, contradict it? What do the people involved actually say?
Yeah, what does buzz Aldrin say?
We'll tell you after a word from our sponsor, So go into this source. We see that's also been associated with a viral video that was describing this and got shared everywhere on Facebook and probably on Reddit, and so on and so on and so on, But what do we know about the actual newspaper, The Daily Star.
So yeah, I mean it's what they u a tabloid in the Daily Star. It's published Monday through Saturday in the UK, and it's been doing that since November second of nineteen seventy eight. Can we just take a quick second to have tabloid? It seems like always a term of derision, like a term implying fake news or some kind of sensationalized flim flammering. Is that how you guys see it?
Well, it's definitely the motivation there is to sell more papers. The motivation to sell more papers, right, but in this case, the let's say, the the journalistic integrity maybe isn't as important. And this is tough to even say about anything like this because I've never worked at the Daily Star. I don't know what the bosses there say during they're all hands meetings.
They it maybe they're telling the gods honest truth and they're like, why haven't we been killed? Why don't people believe us? Bat Boy is out there?
So it is bat boy type stuff.
Well, there are different gradations, say a tabloid, Yeah, technically a tabloid.
Well, it used to not be a derogatory term.
It's a format of a newspaper that's not as large and is about half the size of a standard newspaper, and it has more popular reporting.
You're going to see more stuff about.
Celebrity paparazzi type stuff and you know, speculating about who's cheating on.
Who bred in circuses.
Yeah, absolutely, and in some case, in a lot of cases here in the States, at least, when you go to the grocery store, you will typically see the tabloids oriented towards celebrities at the checkout line. But there used to be back in the day. Really cool when it's like weekly Worlds World.
News, that's my favorite one.
You don't see that anymore.
No, I haven't seen it. No, they still tell us we should, we should find out.
We should find out and see if we can get our bosses to give us a subscription to it. Would you guys be proud subscribers with me to the weekly World News. Absolutely, I don't want it delivered at my house.
It's still in circulation. It's circulation is one point two million.
I think we partner with them and make a new show guys where it's just reading the paper. That's it, that's all it is.
We should write for them.
That's a great idea.
We should all get.
Pseudonyms and write for them. Buzz Rendezvous is unfortunately taken.
Not to get too far off track, but it's kind of interesting. I'm looking at their site. It seems like they're a little more just into covering weird natural phenomenon and a lot of these stories that I'm seeing on the front page are not nevermind got to one six inch alien and Gwyneth Paltrow buys the Weinstein Company. Oh yeah, wait did she then?
No?
I don't think so.
Fascinating stuff, right, So, tabloids nowadays have an aura of unreliability. It's that's something that we all associate with the term tabloid, and the etymology of that how it evolved is maybe a story for another time. But in addition to being a tabloid, the Daily Star was the only original source that reported this, and the other outfits we found that were reporting it ultimately are going back to, at least
in this case, back to this Daily Star story. And Matt, you brought up a fantastic point that we can't gloss over, which is that this is one iteration of a thing that's come up again and again and again since the first days of space faring civilization.
Oh yeah, immediately after those astronauts landed, probably even before that, there were questions about what did they actually see?
Yeah, and they have been.
Another thing that's different with this case is that people are easier to reach now. So various news outlets, from The Independent to Australia's The Pedestrian reached out to buzz Aldrin directly and said, Hey, did you really say this? Do you believe this happened. Aldron's spokespeople responded to the Australian outfit we mentioned earlier, The Pedestrian, and they categorically denied the story and took it a step further. They called it unfounded and bogus, and then they added, we
don't know where it came from. They had never heard of the Bioacoustics Institute, they had never heard of this reporting, and so the official stance is no way, what is that, and we can take it a step further. Buzz Aldrin himself was asked about not specifically this study, but unidentified aliens and spacecraft in a reddit AMA, which is an acronym for ask me anything. Right, So we have a long quote from him here, and we can probably just split it up between the three of us, or paraphrase
a little. But he says, on Apollo eleven and Root to the Moon, I observed a light out the window that appeared to be moving alongside us. There were many explanations of what it could be, other than spacecraft from
another country or another world. It was either the rocket we had separated from or the four panels that moved away when we extracted the lander from the rocket and we were nose to nose with the two spacecraft, so in the close vicinity, moving away were four panels, and I feel absolutely convinced that we were looking at the sun reflected off of one of those panels, which one I don't know. So technically the definition could be unidentified, but we well understood exactly what it was.
So we are we seeing a sort of misinterpretation of the idea of a UFO, like in the parlance of NASA and astronaut day to day operations, that could mean many different things.
Right, Yeah, that's the part of it.
He goes on and says that he was I guess taken out of context or his statements were taken out of context, and it goes further.
Yeah, yeah, serious what he says. He goes, we well understood exactly what that was, and when we returned, we debriefed and explained exactly what we had observed. And I felt that this had been distributed to the outside world, the outside audience, and apparently it wasn't. And so many
years later, so this was taken out of context. Basically, so many years later, I had the time in an interview to disclose these observations on another country's television network, and the UFO people in the United States were very, very very angry with me that I had not given them this information. It was not an.
Alien and he continues saying, extraordinary observations require extraordinary evidence. That's what Carl Sagan said. There may be aliens in our Milky Way galaxy, and there are billions of other galaxies. The probability is almost certain that there is life somewhere in space. It was not that remarkable, that special, that unusual. That life here on Earth evolved gradually slowly to where we are today. But the distances involved in where some evidence of life may be they may be hundreds of
light years away. That's a great point. That's like the whole Fermi paradox thing we've discussed on the show numerous times.
So we can't get there, that's what he say.
And they probably can't get to us.
The odds are so low. So he's saying aliens do exist. It's very likely that they do exist. It's highly unlikely that we'll run into them. So he himself is denying that he saw an alien and claiming instead it was a UFO. And to your point, Noel, that just means we didn't know exactly what it was. Yeah, it could have been a million other things that were not extraterrestrial in origin. So in this case, it seems that the
Aldron story may be largely discredited. We did mention, of course, Cooper Mitchell passed away, so they had to be using pre recorded audio. They should have mentioned that. But there's something else here. What if Aldron was not the only astronaut to see strange things in the stars. We know that during the Gemini for Mission pilot, Jim McDivitt had spotted an object he described as a white cylindrical shape with a white pole sticking out of one corner of it.
He took a couple photos of.
It, and he thinks it was unknown but man made debris, because near Earth orbit is just full of space junk, right, But other people were saying, maybe it's the second stage of a Titan two used in space exploration. And then in two thousand and five, an astronaut named Leroy Chow reported seeing lights in a line, almost like an upside down check mark. He later identified these as being from
fishing boats hundreds of miles below. So a lot of the astronauts who see unexplained stuff have later come back and said, here is the mundane explanation.
Or is that because the men in black got to them?
Or is that because someone got to them? You know, often when we hear that kind of story, the crazy thing about about a group of people keeping another group of people quiet and intimidated, it's difficult to believe in most cases, because it's usually a matter of keeping hundreds of thousands of people quiet.
But the world is it lousy with astronauts?
There aren't that many, correct, and especially that many that have been that far out.
That's true.
Actually, there was only a very small handful of astronauts who have been there far out.
Have you met one?
No?
Do you trust them?
Maybe A that's an inside joke for us from a previous video where I think we ended it with have you ever met an astronaut? But I believe we have. I believe between the three of us we have met astronauts. Pilots though, pilots are a different story, And there was
a story that recently came out. In February of twenty eighteen, two airline pilots spotted a mysterious reflective object hovering about forty thousand feet or twelve thousand meters for everybody outside of Namibia, the United States, and mianmar over Arizona.
And the FAA.
The Federal Aviation Administration is stumped because these were pilots in two different planes yep, so their perspective was different. The Phoenix New Times released an FAA recording of this. The sighting was three thirty in the afternoon on February twenty fourth, over the desert near Phoenix, and no one knows what it was. You can read a great article on Live Science about this.
Yeah, and if you call back to our Jeremy Corbell episodes, we've discussed several of these, especially the last one we did. We've talked about actual navy pilots that have seen UFOs in the recent past. So it does occur on land, or at least just above land quite frequently, these sightings.
Yeah, And we have to be fair because just if one just because one story turns out not to have sand to it, doesn't mean that other stories are not true.
Correct.
And the last note we can leave you with here that will perhaps send you off on a rabbit hole of your own is the following. In an interview with the BBC, head of UK Air Traffic Control, Richard Deacon claimed, we see a UFO a month, wow id unidentified flying object per month consistently.
But that could just be an unidentified plane that isn't responding to their calls.
It could be a freaky looking bird man.
Yeah, it could be a lot of things.
It could loans, yeah, or classified aircraft. M that's the one I'm most excited about. But let us know what UFO incidents you think hold the most sand, have the most grit, the most credibility, right, which ones haven't been proven to be?
What's the old saw? A weather balloon? Right?
Yeah?
We would love to hear from you. And you know, it's no secret that space is weird. Along with the deepest avisial planes of the ocean. Space is one of the least understood environments that humans have ever experienced. And there's still tons and tons of unidentified objects being spotted in the air, under the water. We don't know how to explain them all. It's a pretty exciting time to be alive when you think.
About it, it really is.
I'm excited.
And of course I think we would be good astronauts.
Not me in my back, I don't think I could.
I think you'd be a great astronaut.
Maybe zero race. You could wear one of those like ups guy back brace things. Surely they can build that into the space suit man. That can be taken into consideration. All right, all right, I'll look into it. Then we should try out. Do they have open casting calls auditions?
I think it's the next next iteration of America's Got Talent. I'd be cool it's NASA's Got Talent.
And this is one of the episodes about but like, how do you guys feel? Obviously there's a lot of nostalgia wrapped up in NASA. Everything we're talking about was this kind of stuff that happened relatively in our lifetime. And you guys are obviously hugely into the idea of being an astronaut. How do you feel about the whole like privatization of space travel and exploration and maybe some of the emphasis moving away from the way it used
to be dying. Are we going to see more guys like old buzz Aldrin.
Yeah, So there's a fascinating and complicated issue here, which is the following. A lot of successful colonization in human
history was essentially privatized. Dutch East India Company horrific company, very very bad, did terrible things, but without that push toward privatization, it would not, you know, the path of history would have been much different, and those expansionist forces probably wouldn't have been able to reach the places they reached and maintain the hold they maintained for so long. So privatization is the next. Also, I believe we're moving away from states toward corporations.
So not inherently bad in fact, many good things about it, but potentially potential.
For abuse, potential for terrible, terrible things to happen. Yeah, but that could you know, you could say the same about a state run operation, and a lot of a lot of the big players that will be in the future space race are going to be state and private partnerships, you know, like that it may be supported with funding from the state, but it's owned by a private entity.
Yeah, you know what I mean.
Doesn't Elon Musk strike you guys as kind of a bond villain figure. He worries me.
He's done some pretty amazing things.
I know he has. I'm mainly joking, but it's part of me that thinks he's going to build a sonic death ray on the moon and blow up all the poor people on the Earth.
Yeah, I don't. I don't get that from him. I don't get it from him. I get that from several people amongst his peers, but not him.
I don't think.
I don't think he's a blow up the poor kind of person. But I do think he would absolutely institute an autocratic technocracy on Mars, similar to what our uh our guy Marshall brain to.
Marshall brand and that's a fun episode.
Maybe he and Marshall should get together and get that thing going. Get Google's new algorithms up there, work with them.
Those guys are brilliant. I can't imagine what they would if we put them in a room and just gave them an hour to talk. They well know, if we put them in a cabin for a weekend, they will come out with some kind of new, weird technology. Oh yeah, I don't I don't know if I would understand it.
I hope it's not a death ray.
I hope not.
But yeah, that's I think that we're going to see something very much like the Dutch East India Company.
Yeah.
I can imagine leading the charge.
To space exploration and we have to as a species, we have to go to space.
Yeah, it'll be like Cerebus from the Mass Effect Universe, the Giant. They're a giant private company that basically ended up being the most powerful thing that existed and the most powerful entity that existed.
And of course there's another argument, which is maybe we should just fix the Earth we have before we go try to make another one.
How's that going?
Yeah, I mean.
You know, ups and downs, mixed results. Humanity is still here.
The pendulum swings.
The pendulum swings like Earth is so resilient it doesn't matter to Earth if human beings are gone. There will just be some some new iteration that will take our place. But you know, collectively, it's kind of cool for us to be here.
Well, I for one, am excited to get to Mars because there's something there that we can explore that buzz Aldrin himself has discussed before. Besides this whole thing about seeing aliens or spacecraft or something while he was going to the moon and orbiting, he also has mentioned a very specific phenomena or an object that exists on one of mars moons, Phobos. It's a monolith. He's talked about it live on air.
We should go boldly where man has not gone before. Fly by to comets, visit asteroids, visit the moon of Mars. There's a monolith there, a very unusual structure on this little potato shaped object that goes around Mars once in seven hours. When people find out about that, they're going to say.
Who put that there?
Who put that there?
Well, the universe put it there, if you choose, God put it there.
There's also a monolith on Mars that has been observed. And these are two things that I think we should really really explore. Here's the thing. They're probably natural, you know, if you we Ucham's razor it they're probably natural rock formations. However, that there are two, one on both the planet and the moon, one of the moons of the planet, is fascinating to me, and I think we should explore it. And I'm pretty sure buzz alder and believed we should as well.
Absolutely, Look, that's fascinating to me that he he himself be known for someone of being somewhat of a skeptic, would be so interested in this idea. And you know, Oh, I wanted to ask this question. I can't remember if we asked it before. If offered, would you take a one way ticket to live on Mars?
That's tough, man, But you.
Know, with like a cool job. And let's say you knew you wouldn't die on the way.
Okay, you could give me some assurances. Yeah, if it had been done, I might do it.
I would totally do it.
I would also I would be the one who would say, well, we don't have to stop at Mars, you know, I'll just I'll keep going if if you have snacks.
Have you guys seen the new Lost in Space reboot?
Yeah?
Not a fan, not a fan, I'm not.
I haven't really gotten that deep into The only reason I mentioned is because there's a whole thing in that show where they all have to take a test like aptitude tests in order to become the new colonizers of space or the new planet that they're trying to find because Earth is not doing so well.
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