Hello Are you back in your mood war? Yeah, I am. I really like it in here now. I might just stay in here all night. Alright, so today was the second day of the hearing? Yes. So how did it go for Asia today? They really went after her. You know, today was mostly the state cross-examining her and they really attacked her testimony in a bunch of ways.
One of the things they brought up was this whole snow issue because you remember when I talked to her on the phone that time, you know, when I was reporting this story and she called me, she said she remembered that day specifically January 13th, 1999. The day he goes missing? The day he goes missing. She remembered seeing Adnan in the library and she said to me because of the snow. Do you remember that? Yeah, yeah, right.
Yeah, she was like, I remember because it was the first snow of the year and there was all the snow and the state today, the prosecutor. He was like, are you sure you have the right day because there wasn't snow that day. Was there? Like he sort of referenced what she had said to me. That was something we kind of had a question about too because she was very clear with you. She got snowed in at her boyfriend's house and then the next two days were snow days.
So she's very clear that she ties this memory to the snow, right? Yeah, yeah. So we kind of wondered about that. Yeah, because we looked up the weather, right? And it hadn't snowed. It hadn't snowed. There was a horrible ice storm that had started like in the wee hours of the next morning, but there wasn't snow. It was it was terrible weather and it was like a big emergency in Baltimore, but it was an ice storm.
And so she kind of, I mean, she did a fairly good job with it. I mean, she just said like, yeah, I don't know. I know it was bad weather. I'm not sure if it was snow or ice or whatever. I just remember it was like hazardous bad weather. School was canceled after that. And she was like, and I remember I was happy about it because I had used the excuse of bad weather as a reason to stay later at my boyfriend Derek's house and my mom bought it.
And then she was like, and I remember because I'd stayed out later, I was happy that then school was canceled for the next two days. So it sounded pretty specific. Very specific actually. I don't know, but I have to say she was very cool and collected about it. It wasn't. She didn't seem frazzled or freaked out or she was just like, yeah, I don't know, bad snow ice. I don't know, it was bad weather.
Huh. Yeah, she seemed total. She seemed completely confident in her memories, even when I was thinking like, oh, like even when I was thinking like, wait a minute.
It didn't seem like it didn't seem like. Well, so what happened? Yeah, well, so the other the main thing that happened that at least was new to me as a theory about Asia's alibi and that made me think like, wait a minute, let me rethink this. And in fact, I asked you guys to go scrambling back to the records that we have our detectives.
Oh, this is the juwan stuff. Yes, the juwan stuff because the prosecutor of Nirajah went after her for a long time about the second letter that she wrote to a non right after he got arrested. So we should just take a step back and explain what these letters are that that you're talking about. So the so Asia wrote a non two letters. She wrote in the first letter the day after he was arrested, I think March 1st, 1999.
And that's this this handwritten note where she's sort of saying to him, I've just been to your house. I met your parents. And I want to tell you that I remember talking to you that day January 13th, 1999. I remember seeing you in the library.
So then the next day she she writes him another letter and this one is a little bit different. It's a little bit longer. It's typed up. She seems to be writing it in like from one of her classes at school. And in that one, she sort of reiterates again, like I remember seeing you in the library that day. So let me know if you need me to speak up about that.
So today, the second letter, the typed one was was the issue today. So the state is really pressing her over and over to say, are you sure you really wrote this letter on March 2nd because it's dated March 2nd.
And in fact, it's dated on every it's a three page letter and at the bottom of each page it says March 2nd. And she keeps saying yes, yes, I am. Yep. And he's pointing to things in the letter that suggest it was written later maybe and that suggests it was written later because she's got all of this fairly specific information about a non-case and about the crime and the way the crime unfolded.
And he's suggesting like, how would you have known all this stuff? What were some of the things the prosecutor was pointing to in the letter as like, how would you know this or that? There were several things. One was she notes that hay was found in a shallow grave. Another was that she talks about someone else referencing fibers from a non on Hay's body.
So the prosecutor is saying like, it's too soon for any of those details to have been out in the public two days after it non has been arrested. Right. Is that what he's kind of saying? That's what he's suggesting. In fact, he's not really correct about that because then Justin Brown and non's defense attorney stood up after that and showed exhibits of Baltimore son stories dated prior to Asia's letter that talk about these that have these very phrase.
In the shallow grave, you know, leakin park that you know so that didn't hold up very well, but but there was this one thing that and this was the thing that I was like, and that is he's asking her. Did it none ever contact you from jail and she's like, no, and he says, did he ever call you? No, did he, you know, send you letters? She's like, nope. And he says, well, how do you explain if a non never contacted you?
How would you explain notes from a from a detectives interview with a non's friend, this is a kid named Joanne Gordon. And in these notes, it says that Joanne told the cops that a non had written a letter to a girl and asked her to type it up, but she got the address wrong. And what does that mean? Like, what does that? What does that imply? He's trying. Well, I think he was trying to imply that a non had had contacted Asia and had asked her to type up this letter in this way.
This March second letter, but but he's implying it wasn't actually written March 2nd. It was written perhaps weeks later. Oh, that maybe he and Jeanette that and that maybe a non asked her to write this type to type up this letter. Huh, yeah. And then I was like, well, what does that mean? Does that mean she doesn't remember what she thinks she remembers or does that mean she's lying or or and a non did reason did contact her and what does that mean?
You know, and so, you know, it started, it starts to make her sort of very pure story about being just a potential alibi who who wanted to step forward and do the right thing to like look like something slightly different. And so that's why I asked you guys to look up notes from that detectives interview with Joanne. Okay, so, so I'm looking at the detective notes from their interview with Joanne on April 9th and they didn't record that interview.
So I've all have got to these kind of like cryptic detectives notes. So I'll just read those to you. And this is what they say. I think this is what the prosecutor is referencing. It says it non wrote me a letter and remember at this time, and Donna's in jail, so it non wrote me a letter. He called yesterday, but I wasn't home.
Wrote a non back. He wrote a letter to a girl to type up with his address on it, but she got it wrong. And then there's an address 101 East Eager Street, which is the incorrect address for central booking. And then it says Asia with a question mark 12th grade. I got one just an ad or got one and just an ad was a friend of a non's and I guess was was Asia's ex boyfriend.
But I'm just saying like those are pretty cryptic and I could also see that note as implying that it non wrote a letter to a girl and asked her, could you please give my friends the address so that they can write me letters. And that's all it means. That's true. That's true. I mean, right. And then she gets the address wrong and it's like I can just imagine how this could play out in a totally innocent different way from what the prosecutor seems to be suggesting.
The one line that stops me is he wrote a letter to a girl to type up. And I don't know. It's true. It's not clear. It's not clear what this totally means. But here's the thing. It raises it does make you pause, right? And that's his entire point. That's that's the prosecutor's entire point is that I can throw a bunch of suspicion on Asia's story in all of these various ways.
And if I can do it here before you today in this hearing, that means the prosecutors back at a non's criminal trial back in 1999 2000 could have done the same thing. So the state is showing, look, maybe she's not such an ironclad alibi after all. And if she's not such an ironclad alibi, then maybe Christina Gutierrez did have a very good reason for not pursuing her. It wasn't a mistake. It was a strategy. That's what he's trying to show. So what did you think? Did you buy that?
Did I buy it? I mean, I would say, I don't think that he like proved that she didn't write the letter on March 2nd or anything like that. And she seemed very comfortable just saying, like, I don't know what Joanne, those notes about Joanne mean. But I wrote this letter March 2nd. I never heard from a non. Like she just was very forthright about it. Or seemed very forthright about it, I should say.
But it did make me think, like, huh, well, it does make you wonder what could have happened a trial and whether it would have been this slam dunk for a non necessarily. Okay, so can we talk about the main event of the day, which is the cell phone testimony, which I've been waiting patiently to get to? You know, I so wished you were there today, Dana, honestly. I was like, Dana would be eating this. I was like drooling partway through. I mean, it was hard to find. It was that exciting?
So it's really important is the thing, but it's just it's hard to sink your teeth into in terms of emotion, you know, but it's no, it was, I mean, yeah, it was interesting. So basically, today there was not a big bomb shell on this issue. But I think they're setting the stage for one. So it turns out that the AT&T cell tower, the AT&T cell tower expert who testified at a non original trial in 2000.
It turns out that there was this disclaimer on those records on a on a fax cover sheet for those records back in 1999 that said, you can't use incoming calls. They're not reliable for location status. Incoming calls are not reliable for location status. And why that's important is because the two phone calls that place a non in Leacon Park at the time that Jay said they were bearing the body are incoming calls.
Right. So what happened was this fall just recently, that same cell tower expert wrote in affidavit saying I didn't know about that disclaimer about not using the incoming calls for location. So now he's saying, I'm not sure now about my testimony. I'm not sure I could say that those two calls place the phone in Leacon Park. So that guy did not testify today actually, but the defense team brought in this other expert who said, yes, you know, that disclaimer was very, very important.
And they spent a lot of the day the afternoon arguing the state and the defense over basically the meaning of location on those cell tower records. Like how to interpret the word location. I'm really jealous that you get to be there for that tomorrow. No, I actually am because no, this is actually really important. This, this like cell phone disclaimer thing is something that's bugged me for a really long time.
Because it's sort of like if that is in fact the case that you can't use incoming calls for location data, then that kind of means there's a chance that that cell phone was not in Leacon Park when the prosecution at the original trial said it was. No, it's a real problem for the state. Yeah, it's a real problem if it's not true. So this might really get answered tomorrow of whether whether that's a real thing that you can't use incoming calls for location.
That would that would make me really happy if they could answer that. Stay tuned, man. I keep going. Alright, alright, so you'll call me tomorrow? Yes, I will.