Ken Johnson
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Find out what Ken Johnson says about Hebrew Roots.
“Hebrew roots may turn into we are better jews than you(s) so we are going to kill you” Ken Johnson
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use 02:13 those and read those and he has some 02:15 some some pretty cheap copies of those 02:19 books that you can order and have and so 02:23 hey you know he he's somebody that I 02:27 guess I've never really heard talk until 02:30 recently and you know I just knew I knew 02:32 that he didn't share the same beliefs 02:34 that we do but hey you know it's one 02:36 thing to know that and then to hear him 02:39 talk so I used to listen to prophecy 02:42 Watchers a lot with Gary Stearman kind 02:45 of when I was waking up to Torah and 02:46 it's it's ironic if you go watch this 02:49 video 02:49 behind Gary you will see a menorah and 02:52 what else a shofar yeah those were all 02:56 proudly displayed behind him and it's 02:58 kind of like that's weird you know that 03:00 he seems kind of trying to make this 03:03 connection but it seems so far off yeah 03:06 but but Ken Johnson it's definitely not 03:08 a fan of the Hebrew roots and in what we 03:11 do and he has some interesting things 03:14 and I also go 03:15 I don't think Ken knows anybody that 03:17 does Hebrew roots I don't think he knows 03:19 one person from the video that they put 03:24 out and didn't know wouldn't seem like 03:25 it yes so like I think he's talking 03:27 about somebody and something that he has 03:30 no idea what he's talking about and so 03:32 Ken if you ever listen to this Hey 03:34 reach out to us we'd be happy to talk to 03:36 you yeah anytime about this and and put 03:39 a face you know well to an ideology 03:43 maybe yeah I don't know if we put my 03:45 face on anything nobody wants to see 03:47 that but because I've definitely got the 03:49 face made for radio but so here we are 03:52 on radio and but yeah I would love to 03:56 talk to Ken about those things and and 03:58 explain to him maybe a little bit more 04:02 about who we are cuz clearly he's got 04:04 some misconceptions yeah about who we 04:06 are what we do and that's what we're 04:07 gonna kind of take a look at right yeah 04:09 so let's start right here and so in and 04:12 so in this video if you do go watch it 04:15 at some point Ken Johnson talks about 04:17 acts 15 and says we don't have to keep 04:20 Jewish law at six minutes and eight 04:23 seconds he says this 04:26 yeah so everyone likes to use x-15 as a 04:32 as a this these are the rules we follow 04:37 now as acts 15 and so in verse 10 there 04:46 it says now therefore why tempt to you 04:48 Elohim to put a yoke upon the neck of 04:51 the disciples which neither our fathers 04:53 nor we were able to bear so what do you 04:55 think he's talking about the yoke of the 04:57 disciples there so the yoke that they're 05:02 trying to put on okay so standard 05:06 understanding of this right right your 05:08 your Christian theology is gonna tell 05:10 you that this is Torah right here he's 05:12 talking about but the context tells us 05:15 that he's talking about salvation 05:19 through keeping Torah rotten so and I 05:26 also believe he definitely and then in 05:28 Matthew but these two scriptures are 05:29 tied together Matthew 11:28 through 30 05:31 come to me all ye who are tired from 05:34 carrying heavy loads and that will give 05:36 you rest place my yoke over your 05:37 shoulders and learn from me because I am 05:40 gentle and humble then you will find 05:42 rest for yourselves because my yoke is 05:44 easy and my burden is light 05:45 and he is definitely comparing his 05:49 commandments which were not new they 05:53 were the same ones that he'd said before 05:56 yeah since he was the word the Word made 05:59 flesh and he is saying that these men 06:06 these Pharisees came along and put 06:09 unrealistic burdens upon people and tie 06:14 and he says that over and over that he 06:16 tied these hid the men were tying these 06:19 heavy burdens on each other and they 06:21 themselves are new than willing to lift 06:22 a finger to help them lift them right 06:25 and he's saying my my yoke is not like 06:27 that right but there is a yoke yes yes 06:31 we like to think that well Messiah 06:34 brings freedom he does mm-hmm it's with 06:39 this idea of 06:40 freedom to write that's kind of how we 06:44 look at it we look at it with some 06:46 Western mindset our freedom to do 06:48 something instead of a freedom from 06:49 something mm-hmm well I think we kind of 06:51 look at it like the the old flag with 06:54 the snake don't tread on me how dare you 06:57 tell me I can and can't do anything 07:00 right and and yeah definitely there was 07:04 something else that come and came to 07:06 mind but I'll think about it later so so 07:09 he started making this comparison 07:11 between those who are messianic and 07:13 those are Hebrew roots and so he has 07:16 some quotes here and he talks about how 07:18 down the Jewish side that are the 07:21 Messianic side and he said something 07:23 along the lines if Messianics are great 07:25 Hebrew roots were causing them lots of 07:28 problems right he said he has friends 07:30 that are Messianics and Messianics are 07:32 great mm-hmm so his darn Hebrew because 07:35 he broods guys yeah messing it up for 07:38 everybody and you know and then he's 07:41 talking about the Hebrew roots people 07:42 and he says we're Gentiles that somehow 07:47 think that they are to follow the law 07:50 everyone follows the the law everyone 07:53 should be kosher or be executed what so 07:57 that's the stance he is assigning to 08:01 Hebrew roots folks that somehow the 08:05 thought is the ideology is well you need 08:09 to keep kosher oh you're gonna be 08:12 executed now I don't know if he's read 08:15 through Torah but the clean and unclean 08:18 laws the punishment for that was not 08:20 execution hmm there were there were laws 08:24 where the with capital punishment shaven 08:28 unclean food laws was not one of them no 08:30 no definitely not so and I'm also like I 08:34 don't know anybody that's that has a 08:37 YouTube channel that has a website that 08:41 any kind of fault nobody that I've ever 08:44 listened to I'm yeah I'm sure there's 08:46 somebody out there there's all kinds of 08:47 people out there that say crazy stuff 08:50 so yeah there may be somebody out there 08:51 but nobody we know yeah 08:53 comes out ever and talks about how we 08:55 should kill people because they don't 08:57 follow Torah right I've never heard that 08:59 or no no that was really stretching it 09:02 and so that was a bizarre don't get it 09:06 he also said that Messianics teach 09:08 Gentiles are not to follow Mosaic law 09:11 and you know that that may be may be 09:15 true right there there the stances that 09:19 Noahide laws right mm-hmm and that the 09:23 Gentiles 09:24 you know once again he's talking about 09:25 Hebrew roots calling them Gentiles and 09:28 that that says Gentiles who think we 09:31 should follow Mosaic law Gentiles are 09:33 forbidden to do such things that was a 09:35 direct quote from him saying that we are 09:37 not there's a Gentile you are not even 09:40 allowed to follow mosaic rule right he 09:44 said you're not allowed to do certain 09:46 things in his example was the it was 09:51 rules for the priests right not anyone 09:54 could be a priest right so that was his 09:56 kind of his justification mm-hmm for for 09:59 how about it Gentiles weren't a lot so 10:01 you couldn't be a Gentile and be a 10:04 priest well you can you couldn't be a 10:09 Jew and be a priest either mm-hmm right 10:12 yeah yeah cuz the Jew is who Jew is who 10:17 ya from Judah right yeah mm-hmm 10:20 tribe about one specific tribe so right 10:22 and so I also go and I would say to Ken 10:25 Johnson if you're listening to this 10:27 which which I know he is that you that 10:32 you don't know maybe you need to 10:37 research that of what truly is a Jew and 10:40 who that is you know and I know that a 10:42 lot of people say you know district 10:44 tribute people who follow Torah and call 10:50 them Jews but but but we have learned 10:54 differently you know that is one 10:56 specific tribe right that you're 10:58 referring to any time you say that and 11:00 there's another quote here that I 11:02 thought was really interesting Gary 11:03 Stearman quoted scripture that 11:06 talks about the heart of man is to keep 11:07 the law about 12 minutes in until we 11:11 have that as we saw yeah okay we'll come 11:12 back to that one in a minute so Oh 11:15 and so then Gary Stearman does say you 11:18 talk about Jewish holidays dot dot right 11:22 and then if you're following out can we 11:24 be honest series yes to me can we be 11:26 honest the Jews were one of twelve 11:28 tribes no one in Christianity seems to 11:32 remember this now as a Christian growing 11:35 up I knew this and they set it all the 11:39 time I didn't - so it's strange to me 11:43 that guess you're smarter than me I will 11:48 no comment I can I can neither confirm 11:50 nor deny no so yeah there's it's funny 11:55 because you you you spend time in 11:59 certain circles and you know there's 12:02 things you hear all the time then you 12:04 talk to someone else and they're like no 12:05 I've never heard that before and it kind 12:08 of blows your mind like oh because you 12:10 think it's common knowledge well that 12:13 happens a lot with stuff that you pick 12:15 up on and it's like I'd never heard out 12:18 so it's it's pretty common well growing 12:21 up I always thought Jews were Jewish 12:24 people who you know I didn't even really 12:27 know what it meant but it's like the 12:29 people in the Bible you know they were 12:31 juice I'll juice I love every one of 12:33 them yeah so that's all I knew I didn't 12:35 know that it was I didn't know the 12:38 history of how it you know went from the 12:42 tribe of Judah to Yehuda or Yahoo's and 12:46 ended up giving short shortened to - Jew 12:50 mm-hmm yeah so this was always kind of 12:53 tricky for me because it seemed like 12:55 when I started coming into Torah I don't 12:57 know if you ran into this but it was 12:59 like all the things that the people I 13:02 kind of grew up with in Christianity 13:04 I like bring up some of this Torah stuff 13:09 that aligned with Christian thinking 13:11 like well we're where the Israelites 13:15 right now we're claiming to be Israelite 13:17 and the 13:19 all of a sudden they were like it was 13:22 they were gaslighting me like this no 13:25 what are you talking about yeah okay 13:28 song I'm thinking boys a movie oh but 13:34 point being that somehow they just 13:37 forgot all about the fact that this is 13:40 what we grew up learning and this is 13:43 what they were teaching me you know as 13:45 oh yeah there were 12 tribes and oh yeah 13:48 we're Israelites it's like and all of a 13:52 sudden you bring up Torah and they they 13:53 forget those things because you have to 13:57 because if you accept that now you have 14:00 to start changing the way you're 14:01 thinking about certain things yeah no I 14:05 tried to find the song but I couldn't Oh 14:09 shucks you slow so and also King Johnson 14:14 said the book of Acts says you are to be 14:18 circumcised or die and then he talks 14:20 again circumcise or die yeah and then he 14:25 talked about how the Gentiles who think 14:27 we should follow Mosaic law yeah he kind 14:32 of ties those things together 14:33 it's he's he's saying that the same 14:38 people in the book of Acts that are 14:40 saying be circumcised or die are the 14:43 same as these Hebrew roots Gentiles 14:45 saying that we should follow the Mosaic 14:48 law and we'll have a quote here later 14:50 that kind of shows you where he's kind 14:53 of tying these things together pretty 14:56 incredible and then Ken Johnson says 14:59 Gentiles quote unquote Gentiles can eat 15:02 anything as long as they don't eat it 15:05 with the blood from Genesis 9 and then 15:08 our question is can we be honest Noah 15:11 was he a Gentile uh he was a dude right 15:16 there were a lot of Jews in his day yes 15:20 uh-huh 15:21 false there were he was he's free range 15:27 for all that yes yes and yet he knew 15:29 clean and 15:31 and then it's ironic too that the guy 15:34 who helps and helps bring you know and I 15:39 will back up just a second so I'm not 15:41 trying to be critical of Ken Johnson I 15:43 greatly appreciate his work I greatly 15:45 appreciate that he's gleaned information 15:49 from the Dead Sea Scrolls and kind of 15:52 brought it to life and put it in modern 15:53 English and put it in people's hands and 15:56 you know he definitely I feel like has 15:58 been used by the father to to do that 16:02 and in those translations that he's done 16:04 it have definitely benefited me 16:06 benefited me but in some of the stuff he 16:09 did like the book of Jasher clearly 16:12 shows that abraham was not what you 16:17 would ever call a quote-unquote Jew like 16:20 I said it's before that even happened 16:22 and he was clearly the son of an idol 16:25 maker clearly what you would classify as 16:29 Gentile he was called out of that 16:31 lifestyle and called to be different in 16:35 a young age and he crossed over and that 16:40 that is much more of a theme than being 16:43 a bloodline deal because he was not 16:44 bloodline right yes yeah Hebrews caught 16:48 one who crossed over right now I don't 16:52 know how many people understand the 16:53 Genesis 9 thing because this was a kind 16:56 of a big one that that new people came 16:59 to get tangled up in you know much about 17:03 that that verse that he's pointing to 17:06 there he was talking about Noah when he 17:07 got off the ark and he made this 17:09 sacrifice and that's that's about what I 17:12 remember about it yeah so Yahweh says 17:15 now you can eat all things all creatures 17:18 are good to you something similar to 17:21 them and then he says but they forget 17:25 this part just as I've given you every 17:28 green herb to eat now can you eat every 17:31 green herb or do some kill you some kill 17:34 you I'm just ask Chris McCandles who 17:38 died in Alaska and a bus and he would 17:42 tell you if he can talk because if 17:44 not alive and you don't ask him that's 17:46 necromancy yes this is bad we don't 17:48 recommend that please don't do that but 17:52 he clearly ate the wrong berry he's no 17:55 longer with us 17:56 yeah so I'm not running around eating 17:59 poison ivy mm-hmm 18:00 call me crazy I don't know what you guys 18:02 do in Texas but MPA we don't play that 18:05 game but yeah so there there is a 18:09 stipulation given to that all all 18:14 animals no no that's a that's a good 18:17 good observation about it too and 18:19 clearly there was a distinction made 18:23 between clean and so so it's like so you 18:25 want me to believe that 18:27 there was this extra work and effort put 18:30 into the animals on the ark of cleaning 18:33 unclean and then all of a sudden the 18:35 flood is gone everything's dried up and 18:37 like gone yeah that whole clean and 18:39 unclean that we made you load up on the 18:41 ark head that would that's all right and 18:44 then you bring it back later I mean yeah 18:46 you have to look at it in the context of 18:48 worries right now and what Noah already 18:51 knows like this was one of the things 18:54 that I would bring up early on is so 18:57 there's it's it's this whole idea of a 19:01 schizophrenic Elohim right it's well 19:04 there's clean and unclean laws then 19:06 there's no one clean and unclean then 19:08 there's clean and unclean again and now 19:10 no clean and unclean again in this let's 19:12 give it the bunny ears quote-unquote 19:15 dispensation in this dispensation and 19:17 then hey bunnies are unclean yes true 19:21 we'll give them living bunny ears and 19:22 not eat them but then in the Millennium 19:26 right it's back again somehow 19:28 no it's is it yes or no or who can keep 19:32 track of all the mind changes of this 19:35 never changing yeah he so can if you're 19:38 listening I challenge you to consider 19:40 those things about you know why did 19:43 clean it and clean what was it such a 19:46 deal on the ark because the other 19:47 question is did they come two by two on 19:49 the ark right everyone says yes yes yes 19:52 I love this one everyone play along at 19:54 home 19:57 and indulge me Matt if you will oh I 20:00 love to indulge it yeah I live to do 20:02 that exactly how many of each animal did 20:06 Moses take on the ark Moses see you're 20:11 supposed to play along but yes I'm sorry 20:13 most people do not catch staff and his 20:18 Ten Commandments yeah so obviously 20:22 people will say to write and then you'll 20:25 say well no it was Noah that took the 20:27 ark and then you can correct them with 20:29 the number as well it's just kind of 20:32 funny okay yeah I always tell people but 20:34 y'all nice people my people go straight 20:37 to two-by-two right but no I do 20:39 appreciate you bringing up the fact that 20:41 this isn't like a put-down session on 20:45 Ken this is yeah this is you know we're 20:48 trying to air out some some 20:51 misunderstandings here and hopefully you 20:55 know that comes across properly yeah 20:58 yeah yeah yeah and then Ken Johnson also 21:02 says Hebrew roots may turn into we're 21:05 better Jews then you I don't know why I 21:09 say use there but so we are going to 21:12 kill you oh oh this use gotcha okay 21:16 right now so this is remember a couple 21:20 slides ago we said that this would come 21:22 back yeah so I do you know anyone in 21:26 Hebrew root saying well even on the 21:28 verge of saying if you will better Jews 21:32 than you so we're gonna kill you no I 21:35 don't know anybody that's ever said that 21:37 so and if they have you know they are 21:40 some whacked-out person who is a cult 21:43 leader and probably is doing lots of 21:45 really weird stuff yeah but that is 21:48 definitely not a mainstream no no and 21:51 and and definitely just like anything 21:55 that you look at there are they're crazy 21:57 weird outliers and anything that you 22:00 look at but in the bell curve yeah yeah 22:03 yeah so but there is zero of that and in 22:07 this theology we're not attempting to be 22:09 Jews 22:10 Christianity has very little grasp of 22:13 who Ephraim is and so you know we're not 22:17 trying to and we don't want to be what 22:21 what okay and I say when I say Jews I'm 22:23 using Jews in the sense of who Gary 22:26 Stearman and Ken Johnson defined as Jews 22:30 as being people who follow man-made 22:33 Torah and follow kebab Kabbalistic 22:37 teachings helmet right yeah all these 22:40 writings that were done and put more 22:43 weight sometimes on that writing and 22:45 tradition than they do scripture itself 22:47 we want no part of that and we that 22:50 that's the same as going to you know a 22:54 like a Catholic Church and bowing down 22:57 and kissing the ring of the Pope it's 22:59 the same same deal right oh yeah so the 23:05 that and I didn't have much grasp of 23:09 Ephraim Ephraim is monumentally 23:12 important and I heard none of that in in 23:17 terms of growing up none of them and so 23:20 you and especially the the prodigal son 23:26 story I had never put two and two 23:29 together that identifying that as Judah 23:32 and and Ephraim mm-hmm well we are 23:35 always I was always taught that was the 23:39 Gentiles oh you know yeah like the 23:41 Gentile that and then the houses were 23:44 getting reconciled but that's yeah but 23:45 that wasn't right it is what you just 23:48 said Ephraim and the two sticks becoming 23:51 one right a same kind of concept so if 23:53 you're if you're slim on your Ephraim 23:55 understanding look into effort you need 23:58 to crack that book open and research it 24:00 so because it will help open your mind 24:03 and to to that understanding ken johnson 24:07 also says Paul says for no reason to 24:12 allow ourselves to be circumcised and I 24:14 believe that he there was some scripture 24:18 is calling us out of Galatians yes 24:21 there was a t-shirts oh yeah yeah 24:24 Galatians and I think this was 13 24:26 minutes in he said don't allow yourself 24:29 to be circumcised and then but but at 24:32 the same token when you research this a 24:34 little bit you do find that Paul 24:36 circumcised Timothy a Greek right well 24:41 and here 24:43 apparently Paul said for no reason but 24:46 there's a reason for him to do that to 24:50 Timothy right yeah yeah so there there 24:54 are certain reasons to do it 24:55 yes mm-hmm and we could probably have a 24:58 hole actually I think when we did if you 25:03 look back at our collation study we 25:04 discussed a circumcision quite a bit and 25:08 I believe we may have even used the term 25:11 bag of foreskins or something that well 25:14 we did but that's what they were doing 25:16 can we be honest they were that's just 25:20 so gross so you want to think about it 25:22 so I had to bring it up again Ken 25:24 Johnson as a Roman can he said okay so 25:28 Ken Johnson is quoted as saying as his 25:31 Roman converts it Roman converts yes 25:36 let's go Ezra thank you is Roman 25:39 converse it would be illegal to keep the 25:42 Feast a tabernacle so saying that 25:44 everyone that is converted from you know 25:47 Roman thinking it would be illegal for 25:51 us to keep Feast of Tabernacles and so I 25:53 ask you to refer to Ezra 44 Zechariah 14 25:57 Isaiah 66 23 from what information will 26:01 44 oh yes I'm gonna say yes I think I 26:07 actually in my mind I may have combined 26:08 Ezra in Ezekiel and set called them 26:11 Azariah or something yes find that 1/2 26:16 inches so Ezra 44 yes thank you for the 26:20 clarification is a major minor prophet 26:23 yes yes so and once again you know I do 26:26 want to say we don't claim to be experts 26:29 we don't claim to know everything there 26:31 is to know and we're 26:33 a quest for truth hey I think I've heard 26:36 that somewhere before 26:36 mmm that was a long time ago Rob Skiba 26:40 if you he used to do a thing called 26:42 quest for truth oh I was thinking that 26:45 was a Monty Python saying no no no those 26:48 are the coconuts you hear over there but 26:52 anyway we are in a quest a quest for 26:55 truth too you know on our own trying to 26:58 figure these things out and so right but 27:01 but it does now I I'll throw this in 27:06 recently I've been having a discussion 27:08 with someone where I've been accused of 27:12 have dismissing or throwing out 27:15 scriptures in order to prop up my stance 27:19 right but in order to say something like 27:23 kena's implying here he's not implying 27:27 it he's directly saying it you have to 27:29 throw out scriptures like Ezekiel 44 in 27:32 Zechariah 14 in Isaiah 66 where clearly 27:36 it's a new covenant time period where 27:41 all flesh comes performing to keep 27:43 Sabbath's and new moons all flesh comes 27:45 before me for a feast of tabernacles 27:47 that's not broken down and did you and 27:50 Gentile no no I mean you have to ignore 27:53 that to make this claim mm-hmm yeah no 27:57 let's go and then Ken Johnson also talks 28:01 about at the end of each age and the 28:04 Gentiles who think that we should follow 28:07 Mosaic law yes sir to me this was a this 28:12 is kind of a I hate to use the word 28:15 trigger but I don't know if we can even 28:17 say that but but so whenever I feel 28:22 triggered right so if you're triggered 28:25 by the word triggered problems yeah so 28:29 whatever what and anyone's saying at the 28:32 end of each age what does that make you 28:35 think of dispensationalism yeah exactly 28:40 me too so this to me is a red flag 28:41 already yeah ding ding ding ding and if 28:44 you don't know what that is 28:44 you should probably gonna let that up 28:46 then learn what that is yeah 119 28:49 ministries has a good good teaching on 28:51 dispensationalism yeah yeah definitely 28:54 and then Deuteronomy 14 21 it's the 28:58 scripture where they talk about feeding 29:00 the dead animal to a stranger and when 29:03 we went and licked that up in Hebrew the 29:05 word is how do you say that girl looks 29:10 like to me ger a temporary inhabitant 29:14 not someone grafted in so you know there 29:17 are different words in Hebrew you know 29:19 for instance not long a few weeks ago we 29:22 looked at the bond servant - who was a 29:25 part of a like your family and did what 29:29 you did and at the end of their in 29:32 indenture indentured servitude they 29:35 could make a decision at the point when 29:37 you had to release them because it was 29:39 in law it was in Torah to release them 29:42 you know they could make a decision and 29:43 be pierced and and be your servant that 29:47 person is somebody that is becomes like 29:51 a family member and they're not a not an 29:55 alien or stranger they're they're part 29:57 of the family and so this word here is 29:59 definitely different this is a temporary 30:02 inhabitant as somebody that wasn't 30:04 grafted in but he went on and on about 30:05 this one point for quite a while yeah 30:08 this was so we take the alien and 30:12 Sojourner and time into this stranger 30:15 concept the stranger is someone that's 30:17 just hanging out for a while and they're 30:18 not hanging around forever they're not 30:21 trying to be proud of you they're coming 30:23 through town and this I will say though 30:28 that this verse always perplexed me why 30:30 were able to do that ya know it's like 30:34 it comes across as a different standard 30:37 right but it's it's someone who's 30:40 rejected being grafted in with you yeah 30:45 I think it probably is when you read 30:48 Paul and he talks about the weaker 30:50 brother 30:53 you know there's some of that language 30:55 that might even be connected to this you 30:59 know their conscience you know they're 31:01 not there and so it's not a deal to them 31:04 yeah and I wonder how much of it to is 31:06 is not why wanting to watch his creation 31:11 go to waste 31:12 also yeah yeah yeah that could be it too 31:14 so definitely something to ponder we're 31:17 not saying we have that one figured out 31:19 and so I thought this was so interesting 31:21 and as he talked as he said this I was 31:25 like what what did you just say Gary 31:27 Stearman and he has this quote about how 31:29 he said and he fit he seems very sincere 31:34 at this point and also say I like Gary 31:36 Stearman he's watched him before I ain't 31:39 never seen it before but nefeli comes 31:40 across very Cindy seems very genuine I 31:43 don't doubt that he's a great guy I 31:44 don't doubt either one of these are 31:45 great people and and do good things and 31:49 so but he said it was the heart of man 31:52 to keep the law twelve minutes in and 31:56 and he talked about how he felt with 32:00 some of his congregants when he would 32:01 preach that and I was like why yeah of 32:06 course I mean yeah you were testifying 32:09 to this very thing that you are trying 32:12 to attack yes it is in us to do these 32:15 things right that's the whole concept of 32:18 the new covenant mm-hmm and if you and 32:20 if you just to me if you just think 32:22 about it in an opposite way you know so 32:24 okay so what's the opposite of this it 32:29 would be the thing that is on the other 32:32 side of the discussion yeah you know you 32:36 know a so if you're not keeping law you 32:41 are keeping lawlessness yeah and so we 32:44 know we know that that's not a good 32:47 thing exactly he also puts in this 32:50 concept of it's it the heart of man to 32:52 keep the moral law mm-hmm all right so 32:55 fine find that in your scripture 32:58 somewhere mm-hmm ken johnson says 33:01 galatians is about quote don't let 33:04 yourselves be circumcised 33:06 sir you're a debtor to the whole law 33:08 then Paul circumcised Timothy causing 33:11 him to be a debtor to the whole law why 33:14 would he do that to someone that Paul 33:16 he's a character 33:17 when in Rome right do as the Romans do 33:21 yeah so on this one now it does say that 33:29 in there don't let yourself be 33:31 circumcised or you're a debtor to the 33:33 whole law mm-hmm but that's not what 33:36 Galatians is about Galatians was about 33:40 well what we talked about last time 33:42 right it was Paul is combating an 33:45 argument of salvation through the law 33:48 yeah and that's why it's important to 33:51 bring up things like if you think the 33:55 law is gonna save you and you get 33:58 circumcised to prove it now you got to 34:00 keep the whole law because your intent 34:02 is salvation because I'm circumcised 34:06 when that's not that's not Torah and 34:09 that's not what Paul preached yeah yeah 34:12 let's go 34:14 ken Johnson said I also said Jews should 34:19 say state Jews and Gentiles state 34:21 Gentiles you guys quit mixing it up here 34:23 it's making it too confusing and then 34:26 you read Ephesians 2:12 Galatians 2:15 34:30 and you see these terms by Baal who talk 34:34 about how we all are one in Yeshua right 34:40 neither Jew nor Greek right slave or 34:44 free may on their female yes now that 34:47 doesn't mean what the spirit of the age 34:50 is talking about it means we all know 34:53 what a Georgia knee but yes that whole 34:58 concept when he is saying just a Jews 35:00 and Gentiles state Gentiles where where 35:02 do you come up with that where who says 35:04 that now I think what he's trying to go 35:08 with is where it says if you're 35:12 circumcised stay circumcised let the 35:15 uncircumcised you know if you came in 35:17 uncircumcised 35:19 stay uncircumcised 35:20 now we know that there's more to that 35:24 because of Ezekiel 44 talking about the 35:28 new age the new temple no one can come 35:31 in who's not circumcised the flesh and 35:33 hurt so so you got to go into the into 35:37 detail of what he's Paul saying when he 35:39 says that but it's not saying what ken 35:42 was telling him is no and I really think 35:44 on that circumcision concept that's 35:46 something you really got you gotta go 35:47 all the way back to the beginning and 35:49 look and see like we know we talked 35:52 about it in Galatians but about how 35:55 Jacob and Esau were different and they 35:58 both had a circumcision of the flesh you 36:01 know I don't see the reason to think 36:04 that they didn't and but they are two 36:08 very different because one had a 36:10 circumcised heart the other didn't and 36:13 one was blessed and the other one was 36:16 not and so I mean he does does have a 36:20 blessing on him but it's but there's 36:23 definitely a clear difference in there 36:25 is this concept of having a circumcised 36:27 heart is is something right right 36:33 because then Timothy would have not 36:36 stayed a Gentile then right by that by 36:40 that law oh and then we get into about 36:43 15 minutes into that video starts 36:44 talking about holidays which is always a 36:46 hot button and one that we have to deal 36:49 with and for instance you know I just 36:52 requested Passover and feast of 36:58 unleavened bread off at work and you 37:01 know it's causing me a little grief 37:03 because this is our busiest time of year 37:05 and you know they they weren't too happy 37:10 about it and they're saying things like 37:11 well we're just so we're not gonna pay 37:14 you for your time and the and then I 37:17 explained it I was like you know this is 37:18 a religious holiday for me right and 37:20 then they you know they cater to that oh 37:24 so oh we don't want to be sued so I'm 37:29 like okay well so and that kind of 37:32 changed the argue 37:33 a little bit you know when they when I 37:36 explained it to him that way but but the 37:38 holiday thing you know definitely and he 37:42 gave this this concept of in Ezra that 37:46 there was null affection and he said 37:48 that you don't throw it away you just 37:51 nullify it it's like if I could if I was 37:53 good at editing I would take sections of 37:57 that video and have him saying nullified 38:00 nullified over and over and over or 38:01 something you know yeah make a make a 38:03 gif or a jiff what do you say gif or Jif 38:06 I don't like to be put on the spot like 38:09 that but I say gif because the G in 38:15 American says good the G in American 38:19 right we're how do you spell American 38:22 with the G am G I'm Rickon okay all 38:27 right thank you for clearing that right 38:29 up for everyone we do give spelling 38:33 lessons on the side so if you need help 38:35 with that just go just a sample yeah 38:38 just call one eight hundred seven longe 38:40 and we'll get you hooked up on that I 38:42 did call when I had my own John and I 38:47 can't remember 38:48 and somebody did answer it and I was 38:51 like oh who are you what do you have my 38:53 phone number anyway maybe one day we'll 38:59 call that live on some on our broadcasts 39:02 and that's thank you and have a 39:03 conversation okay maybe we should do 39:05 that sounds like a great idea yeah so 39:07 anyway what were you gonna say anyway so 39:09 yeah this concept is gonna come up again 39:11 later and they'll be more points to 39:13 bring up on the don't throw it away just 39:14 nullify it thing and he's saying that 39:18 this is a Jewish concept and he's all 39:20 about it so but yeah I think there's 39:26 there's better example lay down and look 39:31 at Ephesians 2:12 and Galatians 2:15 for 39:34 more information so and then I put the 39:37 definition of nullified then it to make 39:41 legally null and void invalidate and 39:45 then you know Ken Johnson said if 39:47 Holliday has paganism it needs nullified 39:51 not done away with I'm like huh yeah why 39:57 nullify according to this definition 40:01 says to make null and void and validate 40:04 it's almost like it means done away with 40:08 very similar I think if if we're going 40:14 to say we want to nullify abortion which 40:17 we we would like to do that I think most 40:20 people would understand that that means 40:22 what do away with yes oh like Matthew 40:29 five and you didn't come to to nullify 40:33 the law or void null and void void the 40:37 law he came to fill fulfill it yeah so 40:43 he didn't come to do away with the law 40:45 so if we go to the judge and they 40:48 nullify our ticket was that mean I think 40:52 they've done away with it I think so too 40:55 but the point here I can never in my 40:58 wildest imagining hey if a holiday has 41:03 paganism don't do away with it 41:07 violet I know I was gonna nullify it 41:11 I'll which does mean do away with I 41:14 don't it's a weird situation is kind of 41:18 a a concept yeah like just like 41:21 dispensationalism doesn't mean time 41:24 period but that's how it to use right 41:26 mm-hmm so um the whole yeah you it's all 41:34 throughout scripture don't do what the 41:36 pagan heathens are doing so I don't know 41:39 how yeah you have to twist Scripture so 41:43 much to get into to to try to balance 41:50 out the the scales when you're bringing 41:52 stuff up like this yeah agreed 41:55 so then he gets touches the cult subject 41:58 and so and you know as soon as he said 42:00 the word cult 42:01 like wait wait what did you just say 42:03 cult we're going here are we okay we're 42:06 going here alright can let you know and 42:09 then when he went on this to me I you 42:15 know this is a part of it where I start 42:17 to you know to get maybe a little angry 42:19 at him and you know and up until this 42:21 point you know I'm like yeah you know 42:24 he's a guy he he's just like us he 42:27 doesn't have it all figured out but when 42:28 you start going down this road that's 42:30 that's a different tone that's a 42:33 different attitude and I'm like wow and 42:36 he said his quote was a cult cult 42:38 according to Church Fathers 42:40 ding-ding-ding-ding alert red flag 42:43 Church Fathers first off I don't even 42:46 know who you know is he referring to 42:49 mmm-hmm as anyone who denies the 42:52 divinity of Messiah or Trinity and show 42:57 me in Hebrew show me in the Greek where 43:01 you know the concept of the Trinity is 43:05 found and so that mean that that is 43:08 something you've got a research and 43:09 figure out and I will be the first to 43:11 say that is a complicated subject and my 43:15 belief on the Trinity is that we have 43:19 some words to kind of hang on something 43:21 that is so complex that our human feeble 43:24 little human brain can't understand 43:26 because it is such a wild concept and he 43:31 gave us some words in some ways to try 43:33 to try to put a frame around it to help 43:35 us understand what it is and one day 43:37 we're gonna truly find out what all that 43:40 all that meant and we're gonna go oh 43:42 that's how that works 43:43 right and we'll act like we knew it all 43:45 along oh yeah I knew it was something 43:47 like that 43:48 yeah and will be this evening and I 43:50 think I think there are a lot of people 43:51 that do admit that but but well my point 43:54 in all this is we all should use 43:57 scripture over these Church Fathers 44:00 anytime somebody starts bringing up the 44:02 Church Fathers I it does not sit well 44:05 with me and this I knew who are those 44:07 guys who cares what they said just like 44:10 me you shouldn't care what I say or what 44:12 Jake says what 44:14 the texts say that's what matters yeah 44:16 and I think very early on in my walk 44:20 here this before I even knew this Torah 44:26 thing existed I this was kind of one of 44:31 the first questions that kind of I took 44:34 a serious look at the Trinity and what 44:37 what Christianity professed about it and 44:41 that kind of got me down the road of of 44:46 asking more and more questions but and 44:50 this question right here of what a cult 44:54 is and it being defined as denying the 44:57 divinity of Messiah right never once do 45:02 you see someone especially Yeshua when 45:07 people are asking them what do I need to 45:09 do to be saved when they come to Paul 45:11 and say what's the deal what do I got to 45:14 do never once do they say you have to 45:16 believe this yeah 45:18 now in order in order to be in good 45:20 standing so when the church likes not 45:24 like it's a test 45:25 oh so you you want to follow me to 45:28 explain to me how am i you know how can 45:34 I be the the son the father yeah I mean 45:38 you don't see any conversation like 45:40 there's no lift must estimate no yeah we 45:48 have all people and you had plenty of 45:50 opportunity to bring it up yeah and they 45:52 never do and it comes down to this this 45:56 note you put here about I went online 45:59 and I actually googled this where this 46:01 came from and so the first offense that 46:04 the doctorate of Trinity was in the 46:06 early third century by the early church 46:08 father how do you say his name 46:10 Tertullian he explicitly defined the 46:13 treaty as Father Son and Holy Spirit and 46:15 definitive theology against Firaxis 46:17 though he noted the majority of the 46:20 believers in his day found found the 46:22 issue with his doctrine so that's where 46:24 it comes from it comes from that one 46:26 particular person is kind 46:27 yeah you know can consider the father of 46:31 that if you will 46:32 yeah Tertullian it kind of sounds like a 46:35 type of pasta maybe maybe maybe to 46:39 tortellini 46:40 maybe this okay it makes me think of the 46:44 bread and sauce we talked about at some 46:46 point hmm we need to stop doing this one 46:49 we're hungry and I guess so and then you 46:52 know his definition of a cult is anyone 46:56 who claims a belief that theology is 46:59 opposite and you know that one I was 47:03 like okay so maybe you know are you 47:07 saying that Paul himself was was part of 47:11 this because Paul himself says I do what 47:15 I don't want to do and so I'm like do 47:21 you really mean what you're saying there 47:23 because don't we all have beliefs that 47:28 we don't act on and sometimes do the 47:30 opposite and things we know to be true 47:33 and sometimes you know we know we're not 47:35 supposed to we know we're supposed to 47:37 follow the laws of man and we're know 47:39 we're not it's probably supposed to 47:40 speed but just sometimes do you go 70 80 47:43 90 miles an hour 47:46 yep probably you probably do I do so and 47:51 Matt can be found at no I'm so I think 48:00 maybe another way to look at this is 48:03 that perhaps he's he's trying to say 48:07 that you claim that you're a Christian 48:11 see and this is very confusing to me I'm 48:14 not exactly sure where he's trying to go 48:16 assist because they in the video he he 48:19 brings up the example of it's like a 48:21 Christian claiming to be it's like 48:24 someone claiming to be a Christian but 48:26 then doing the opposite things a 48:29 Christian would do and sure but that 48:33 doesn't make it a cult you know and he 48:38 brings up like a Hindu or 48:41 doing the same thing yeah if you're 48:43 claiming to be a Muslim but you do the 48:45 opposite of what a Muslim would do 48:47 that's not what it called it yeah so I 48:49 can remember back in back in the day 48:52 when I was a kid and I was in school and 48:55 I think I was working on a college 48:58 degree and which I did obtain and I 49:01 thank you thank you yeah it's actually 49:04 right there and that that's you you see 49:06 it but but I can remember being in some 49:09 class and we were talking about cults 49:12 for some reason and I can remember the 49:15 definition and isn't passed out some 49:17 kool-aid 49:17 yes they did they and I said I'd pass on 49:21 the blue kool-aid but the but the 49:25 definition of a cult was probably it so 49:27 a sociology class and it might have been 49:29 a class in which we dealt with social 49:31 problems that we saw in society and this 49:35 was about the time of David Koresh and 49:38 because I'm old and but but I can 49:41 remember in that class the definition 49:43 they gave me of a cult was it's 49:47 something that has a very strong a must 49:50 dictator like leader that is charismatic 49:54 and you know gets people to believe in 49:58 this this thing and rallies I'm around 50:01 but the but there's a central figure 50:03 that is the that that's part of the cult 50:07 thing and you know that doesn't that's 50:10 not happening in Hebrew roots there's 50:11 not like one central person there are 50:14 same the leader of yeah mm-hmm it's 50:17 Yeshua yeah no right and there are 50:20 definitely some people that follow 50:21 different things but but yeah I don't 50:25 know any one person that's claiming to 50:27 be the be-all end-all and you have to be 50:30 like them and look like them and I think 50:31 of David Koresh and yeah he was a cult 50:34 leader absolutely and so so can I do 50:38 take offense when you tried to say that 50:41 what we're doing is a part of a cult 50:45 so you serve that this is incorrect and 50:47 and I would be I would love to have the 50:50 discussion with you and explain to you 50:53 what we do 50:55 it looks like and how it is nothing like 50:59 a cult and so I mean if you have watched 51:02 this Ken Johnson and you're kind of on 51:04 the fence about you know this movement 51:07 and what we're doing just know that that 51:09 is that is incorrect this is nothing 51:11 nothing like any of that right and then 51:18 he talks about replacement and you know 51:23 in replacement theology and in the 51:26 Hebrew roots they did you know now I 51:29 can't remember oh so his point on this 51:32 and it was kind of confusing to me could 51:37 because it's not what you typically hear 51:39 he's saying that replacement theology in 51:44 terms of Hebrew roots is that that the 51:49 Hebrew roots people are trying to 51:52 replace the Jews you want real Jews 51:55 right and it's us that are the chosen 51:59 people now growing up my understanding 52:02 of replacement theology was while the 52:05 church replaces it replaces Israel 52:08 essentially so that's to me that's a 52:12 Christian ideology is this replacement 52:14 yeah it's enough of Christianity yeah to 52:17 me it is definitely so when I heard him 52:19 bring this up pointing it at Hebrew 52:22 roots it didn't make much sense to me 52:25 mmm-hmm yeah because he said that Hebrew 52:28 roots denied user Jews claim Paul is 52:32 apostate claim no new covenant 52:34 replacement theology and you know yes 52:39 I've heard some people be very very 52:41 harsh on Paul and and make those claims 52:44 but but but that doesn't mean that every 52:48 person that is in Hebrew roots thinks 52:51 that about Paul I think Paul with it 52:53 that's a mainstream yeah yeah that is 52:56 very much a minority opinion and and 52:59 most of us go Paul is was very smart and 53:03 he understood this Torah at a level that 53:08 I think 53:08 that yeshua wants us all to be ad yeah 53:11 but step one is you have to know the 53:14 Torah and Paul knew it yeah it's you 53:17 can't know what Paul wrote until you 53:20 read what he's read exactly you could 53:22 put that it's gonna be on our next shirt 53:23 right there that's right mm-hmm I mean 53:26 say why for in the Sabbath Island shop 53:28 yes also would have to be coming up soon 53:31 if that'd be coming soon yes No yeah 53:36 early on I was seeing people that were 53:39 like if you look at the black Hebrew 53:43 Israelites hmm they're kind of in this 53:45 deny the Jews arduous situation and and 53:49 I started calling around on the 53:52 fellowship finders and I I'd hear people 53:57 say well you know we we don't even think 54:00 the New Testaments valid anymore and 54:02 they would take Paul right and we'll 54:05 take Paul out of it so I was hearing 54:08 these things ruin people that were now I 54:10 won't say they were Hebrew roots because 54:12 I didn't ask them and they were confused 54:15 yeah but so early on and even now I 54:21 don't necessarily tie myself to Hebrews 54:23 but of the people that I know that do 54:27 right it's they're not saying this stuff 54:30 yeah no hmm so so I don't know yeah well 54:37 then how do you say that word right 54:39 there 54:40 suppression ISM supersessionism that's 54:44 it yes yeah replacement theology is a 54:47 Christian doctrine ding-ding-ding just 54:49 what you said it's a Christian doctrine 54:51 which asserts that the New Covenant 54:53 through Jesus Christ Sir Percy 54:55 supersedes the Old Covenant which made 54:58 excuses 54:58 exclusively for the Jewish people in 55:01 Christian I say it supersessionism 55:06 humanity supersessionism yeah is a 55:08 theology view on the current status of 55:12 the church in relation to Jewish people 55:13 in Judaism it holds the Christian Church 55:15 has succeeded the Israelites is the 55:18 definitive people of God so it's exactly 55:21 what you were saying 55:22 that that it is confusing because that I 55:26 just went and googled replacement 55:29 theology and I'm pretty sure that came 55:31 up and brought maybe the Wikipedia page 55:33 is pretty easy to find that I'm like 55:35 well what are you talking about cuz 55:37 seems the opposite of what you just said 55:39 can ya please define that can and then 55:43 Gary Stearman goes on to talk about law 55:45 vs. grace and a paradigm shift is needed 55:49 right so my my idea is that there's a 55:57 paradigm shift needed Gary Stevens idea 56:01 is and there's always this we have to be 56:06 there has to be this conflict between 56:09 law and grace 56:10 it's either law or its grace so you can 56:13 can be both right and the paradigm shift 56:16 is we need to come away from this law 56:18 versus grace it's how do they work 56:21 together 56:22 yeah because otherwise you're lawless 56:27 right Hebrews says that you don't want 56:31 to insult the spirit of grace right Paul 56:35 says all the time shall we continue in 56:38 sin that grace may abound that's 56:40 insulting the spirit of grace by the way 56:42 he says by no means right so do not 56:45 continue transgressing the law just 56:48 because you have grace if you're doing 56:50 that you're insulting the spirit of 56:52 grace and Hebrews a very harsh about the 56:56 people doing that and it's it's that in 57:00 the it's in the context of the person 57:04 who falls away from the faith 57:08 hashtag once saved always saved right oh 57:10 my gosh don't even get me started on 57:13 that I remember I've heard that 57:15 conversation recently where people are 57:17 like one side always say I'm just like 57:20 well I can't even can't even go into 57:23 this but but this law verse is a grace 57:27 thing - it's like you you don't know 57:29 what happened at Mount Sinai do you you 57:33 forgot the 57:35 there was this calf and the people made 57:38 it literally while Moses is that they're 57:42 getting probably at the very moment when 57:45 they when the commandment is read about 57:49 not making and having any other God 57:52 before him 57:53 that's about the minute this probably 57:55 went down yeah and and the father comes 58:00 down on the mountain is like Moses look 58:02 at those people your people down there 58:05 and he was ready to wipe him out and 58:08 because Moses who represents a type and 58:11 shadow of Yeshua himself steps in and 58:14 goes hey wait a minute wait a minute 58:15 this this I get it you're right you 58:19 could destroy them all and repopulate 58:21 this whole thing and start over with me 58:23 yes yes it could be done but you know 58:26 that's grace that's that's that's the 58:29 that's exactly and people forget that 58:32 they just think everything in the Old 58:34 Testament is nothing but law yeah and 58:37 harsh and you know I talked to I like 58:41 that by the way that's a good it's law 58:43 and grace happening at the same exact 58:45 time yeah that's a good point but yeah I 58:48 just talked to someone today about how 58:52 we were talking about New Covenant 58:55 because I've been having a discussion 59:00 with someone else about it and currently 59:02 I'm a little misunderstood on my 59:04 standing on that but that's off topic 59:07 but the point being I brought up well so 59:14 the Old Covenant is is likened to law 59:18 it's you know tied together with the law 59:21 and the New Covenant is tied together 59:22 with grace right it's this age of grace 59:26 right so I said well wasn't there 59:33 grace before and this person didn't know 59:38 about grace and mercy in the Old 59:42 Testament it's all over the daily now 59:44 that existed yeah 59:46 yeah so it's everywhere it's not a New 59:50 Testament concept it's a reminding 59:54 people there is grace and mercy mm-hmm 59:57 no and it's a physical playing out of 60:02 that grace and mercy no no for sure 60:06 Gary's sermon also taught okay so we're 60:09 gonna go back to the holiday thing and 60:11 at some point Gary sermon says if it's a 60:14 secular holiday it's perfectly fine 60:16 right there's no rule against secular 60:19 holiday and my thing is who says that 60:22 who says right I 60:26 I know scripture doesn't say that yes 60:29 no there isn't there there's never 60:33 grounds to be secular right it's you're 60:36 never okay now you can be doing secular 60:40 things right it's not it's not a thing 60:44 let's do a mean it's okay for your kids 60:46 to watch the Disney that's what the 60:51 going rate is apparently yeah they're 60:54 all about family it's family right it's 60:57 just a secular family thing yes and 61:00 there was a time when I used to think 61:01 that about Disney and had no clue and 61:04 then when my eyes were opened I was like 61:06 oh my gosh yeah definitely so if you've 61:11 never looked into that look into that 61:13 and then so he goes in and he talks more 61:17 about he talked about the pan 61:20 Babylonians everything was pagan and 61:23 they talked about the Nullification and 61:26 then he talked about how at some point 61:29 in here at the conversation about 1959 61:32 it so it's about the nineteen minute 61:34 mark in that video where you start to 61:36 see this and he talked about the 61:39 Christmas tree and how it wasn't it's 61:42 not the Asscher pole so those those of 61:45 you that have read Jeremiah where it 61:47 says they cut down the tree and off 61:50 dawned you know thought it was silly 61:53 yeah 61:54 they dust on his some doth word in there 61:57 yeah and any 61:59 like that Christmas tree that's not that 62:03 because that was a living shrine yeah so 62:09 and and when you cut down the tree it's 62:13 no longer living 62:14 it can't be an Asscher a tree and then 62:18 my question is this why do you water the 62:22 tree when you cut it and put it in your 62:24 house and so I'm like so I would tell 62:28 you Ken Johnson I used to be a science 62:30 teacher and so Ken please explain to me 62:32 I mean I understand kind of what you're 62:34 trying to say but do this little 62:36 experiment at home mr. Johnson is take a 62:40 piece of celery and put it in a glass of 62:44 kool-aid and you know see what happens 62:48 with the xylem and phylum that are in 62:50 the celery in you talent you know yes it 62:54 technically is not alive anymore but 62:56 somehow it transports material so it's 63:00 veins somehow it continues to live yes 63:03 yes just like this Christmas tree 63:05 somehow soaks up the water into its 63:09 system so you know it isn't a stage of 63:14 life still yes still I mean sure it's 63:19 struggling for gasping for water 63:22 apparently then yeah you can you can see 63:25 it's still taking in nourishment mm-hmm 63:28 and then that quote there - that made me 63:32 chuckle - there's nothing pagan to it 63:35 I'm like well maybe your definition of 63:38 pagan is different than my definition of 63:40 pagan I don't know pretty pagan quite 63:44 pain you show me in scripture where it 63:46 says hey you guys you know what this is 63:50 how you know and now that Yeshua is no 63:54 longer with us 63:54 this is how we're gonna celebrate him is 63:57 we're gonna go cut a tree down and bring 64:00 it in our house and put some lights on 64:01 it and we're gonna say this is him hmm 64:05 there's no scripture that even remotely 64:08 talks about it except for Jeremiah and 64:11 it clearly says 64:12 don't cut tree and do something with it 64:15 and so I'm gonna lean to Jeremiah on 64:18 this and go there's something there that 64:20 I'm not supposed to do yeah and even if 64:22 you don't even if you don't see Jeremiah 64:25 that way it says don't worship me you 64:29 know the way that the heathens worship 64:31 their gods mm-hmm and clearly we can 64:35 look in history this is a way that the 64:37 heathens would worship their gods 64:39 clearly it's not the way 64:40 Yeshua worshiped it's not the way Paul 64:43 worship mm-hmm Paul says walk as I walk 64:46 as I walk as Messiah walks right I says 64:49 walk as I walk none of them will walk in 64:51 over to the old Christmas tree no no 64:55 they weren't and they certainly weren't 64:56 bowing down to it getting their presence 64:58 and once again it's not an idol but 65:01 people do bow down to it put their head 65:04 down low as they reach down to get the 65:07 presence tell me that's not bowing so 65:11 and then you know he went on to talk 65:16 about at some point they even there was 65:20 a monk who used a Christmas tree put it 65:22 upside down to teach the Trinity barely 65:27 birth Martin Luther was quoted at some 65:28 point saying there's nothing pagan with 65:30 it you know church father said it 65:36 no it must must be true so what it said 65:39 so shall it be done yes yes I think 65:42 that's the way it goes right that's the 65:44 quote that's how they say in 65:45 Pennsylvania anyway yeah mm-hmm but but 65:50 definitely research if you've never 65:51 researched the Christmas tree and pagan 65:54 traditions you should do that because 65:57 you know that did raise a lot of 65:59 questions for me because I I always knew 66:03 that issue wasn't born on December 25th 66:06 and and in Natalie they even say this in 66:09 that video you know and yes correct 66:12 but there is no scripture that you can 66:16 convince me that the traditions and the 66:21 things that we do at Christmas are 66:22 things that are commanded 66:24 and that we're supposed to do now I 66:27 there now I know there's like warnings 66:33 and stuff that Yeshua and Paul give its 66:38 although with Old Testament but but just 66:41 to be on the same page with someone who 66:43 would be talking about this is there 66:46 somewhere where it might say that 66:52 holding to the traditions of men or 66:54 something not that is a good thing not a 66:57 good thing it's always right was a bad 67:00 thing and clearly if nothing else on its 67:06 face you'd have to say this is a 67:07 tradition of man for sure yeah at the 67:10 very that's your low bar mm-hmm and that 67:14 is an argument I've had with people 67:16 before where I've said show me in 67:18 scripture where I'm supposed to worship 67:19 baby Jesus in the manger and always you 67:22 know everything goes back to tell the 67:24 good nights in my life and wait no what 67:27 and in that moment of dear baby Jesus 67:31 six pound 8 ounces laying there in the 67:34 manger you know unfortunately that movie 67:39 in that section did strike such a chord 67:42 about how people want to think about 67:44 Jesus you know he's a little baby he's 67:46 cute he's harmless she can kind of 67:48 cuddle him in your arms and that's 67:51 that's where they want to keep him at 67:52 you know they want to keep him right 67:54 there that's easy until that's part of 67:56 the you know what happens at Christmas 67:58 is there that's the part of him they 68:01 want to remember they don't like to talk 68:03 about the part of him when he's riding 68:05 the white horse and the blood comes up 68:07 to its bridle that they don't know that 68:10 guy yeah literally 68:12 right so and they're gonna be surprised 68:15 when they see him and the other thing I 68:18 think you've gotta research is go back 68:20 and look at that Golden Calf story and 68:21 that's what really did it for me is when 68:23 I started looking at that story and 68:25 realized that people build this calf you 68:28 know first they go to Aaron and they're 68:29 like Aaron no Buster's calf and then and 68:32 then there's so many questions I have 68:34 about that story where I'm like Aaron 68:37 where 68:38 seems like a pretty stand-up guy and 68:40 he's like okay that people would do this 68:43 I'm like what happened are you afraid 68:46 they're we're gonna kill you then maybe 68:48 he was I don't know 68:50 well to hear his side he just threw the 68:52 goals in and hops you just pop right out 68:54 but when the people are like we did this 68:57 in honor of you you know that's exactly 69:00 what they say and you know it goes into 69:03 that argument of what people say about 69:05 Christmas is it's not how it's it's how 69:09 I make it that's what it means 69:11 yeah yeah I think yeah we lose focus on 69:17 lose track of the fact that it doesn't 69:19 matter how we look at it it's how does 69:21 he look at it and I got an experiment 69:23 for you Jake to try this and so you're a 69:26 married man 69:27 and you definitely have loved other 69:28 loved ones in your in your life but you 69:31 know the wife is this important thing 69:33 and sometimes this man you know we 69:35 definitely don't want to be like our oh 69:38 excuse me our grandfathers and fathers 69:41 that we're like woman I told you I love 69:44 you 35 years ago and I'll let you know 69:47 if that changes so you know I don't know 69:50 anyone i don't recommend taking that 69:55 approach in case you know it's probably 69:58 not gonna go well but you know the 70:01 little experiment that you can do to see 70:04 if does it matter what your intent is 70:07 versus what the card is you know there 70:09 was a time in my life when I get so 70:11 annoyed and let go it certain holidays I 70:14 used to celebrate who I don't celebrate 70:16 anymore and all these people are 70:18 standing looking at these gift cards and 70:19 they're just reading them and picking 70:21 them up and then it's taken forever for 70:23 these people to make a decision and if 70:26 you haven't noticed sometimes I can be a 70:28 pretty decisive clear and cut and to the 70:30 point person and I remember thinking it 70:33 was a lot of fun I have the kids up with 70:35 me and like my kids watch this and I 70:37 just close my eyes I'd go right up to 70:39 the card rack and just be like yep 70:43 that's what that's what mom gets I just 70:46 close my eyes and pick it out and if it 70:47 says happy birthday son 70:50 mom this guy didn't wanna stand there 70:53 forever it became kind of a fun thing 70:57 but I got lots of laughs out of it but I 71:01 can tell you that you know when I give 71:03 that to my wife and and I take a sharpie 71:06 and go um scratch that out wife yeah and 71:11 give that to her you know it just it's 71:12 not quite the same same and so so I 71:16 don't really get to take something that 71:19 is pagan and mark it up and change it 71:22 and and then give it to them and go this 71:26 is what I mean yes he doesn't have to 71:28 accept what you're offering yeah yeah 71:31 yeah and in my wife and no way you know 71:34 thought it was funny my kids thought it 71:36 was funny and I like telling that story 71:38 but but yeah she was not amused and I 71:42 didn't earn points with her but I mean 71:45 that's just that's just what I did 71:48 gasps so anyway it is kind of a fun 71:54 thing to try as a social experiment okay 71:56 we'll see if that happens 71:58 yeah Andy Andy really shows in him since 72:01 you said how well it turned out yes yes 72:03 and you really show them who's boss when 72:06 you do that the people standing around 72:08 trying to figure out what card to get 72:10 they don't even notice 72:11 yeah I bet in my mind it seems like this 72:14 great thing and they're just like oh he 72:18 rules it there he's in charge yes I'm a 72:23 legend in my own mind Jake yes so it's a 72:29 small place so and I theta peers this is 72:33 our last of my slide won't go anymore so 72:37 was there anything I'm looking back at 72:40 my notes and you know this video is 72:43 about 25 minutes and 72:48 so anyway well yeah we noticed some 72:52 issues that were brought up and some 72:54 falsehoods being spread about Hebrew 72:56 roots and so we wanted to kind of 72:59 address it and once again I do reach out 73:02 to Gary Stearman in Ken Johnson and I 73:04 would love to have them talk to us about 73:08 these things and I am by no means I'm 73:10 trying to spread hate I'm not trying to 73:13 spread rumors I'm not trying to spread 73:16 gossip I would love to have face-to-face 73:19 conversation with them about who we are 73:21 what we do and I think they're all 73:24 confused about these things and yeah and 73:26 so anyway I think that's it yeah and I 73:31 think I think we covered it all right 73:34 well once again we appreciate you taking 73:36 time to listen to Shabbat lounge or 73:38 Sabbath lounge and you can google us you 73:41 can find us on Facebook you can find us 73:43 on Spotify you can find this the 73:48 youtubes 73:49 no no we've got a blog and a website and 73:56 we always appreciate comments you know 73:59 that lets us know that you can fog up a 74:01 mirror and that you're a real person and 74:03 that you listened and you care and we 74:06 appreciate that and hope that this could 74:10 be useful and if you know Gary Stearman 74:12 and if you know Ken Johnson share it 74:15 with them yep so if you're following 74:18 send it send it to them yep yep so we'd 74:21 appreciate that 74:22 open up that doorway that dialogue would 74:25 be happy to to do that and so once again 74:28 thank you for listening to Shabbat Up next
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