[Tyson]: I can edit this little first part out, but I don't know, this platform here, it might [Tyson]: look like, I don't know if I look fuzzy to you or [Matt Daniels]: Now [Tyson]: what, but it, [Matt Daniels]: you look really like crystal clear, you look good as [Tyson]: oh, [Matt Daniels]: gold. [Tyson]: great, yeah, cause in the background, it records like a super high quality recording.
[Tyson]: So even if you and I are a little bit fuzzy to each other, by the time it comes up, [Tyson]: the final product, it's like, it's pretty much close to HD. [Matt Daniels]: Okay, beautiful. [Tyson]: Yeah, so that's good. Man, [Matt Daniels]: Yeah. [Tyson]: thanks so much for coming on. It's, I can't believe it's the first time we've actually [Tyson]: spoken. I've watched a lot of your stuff online and I've been inspired by how
[Tyson]: much work you've done in the local community, especially. I actually found out [Tyson]: about you through the wife of one of my best mates, Cassie Holmes. I don't know [Tyson]: if you know Cassie off the top of your head, but [Matt Daniels]: Yeah, definitely. [Tyson]: she signed up to do, I think it was a half marathon or a marathon program with [Tyson]: you a while ago. And she asked if I'd heard of you, and I was relatively new in the
[Tyson]: area at the time. So. I hadn't heard of anyone in this part of town. And I went [Tyson]: and had a look and I heard a little bit about your story and I realised, man, it's [Tyson]: pretty wide and pretty deep what you've accomplished in a relatively short time in [Tyson]: the running scene. So I've been meaning for ages to have you on for whatever reason
[Tyson]: it's taken this long. I thought as a way of introduction, maybe I could hand you [Tyson]: the mic and you could just tell people a little bit about yourself and how you found [Tyson]: yourself into the world of running. [Matt Daniels]: Yeah, yeah, no worries at all. First of all, thanks for having us on the podcast, [Matt Daniels]: a big fan. Yeah, so I suppose my story is I was a personal trainer. So yeah,
[Matt Daniels]: really passionate personal trainer. So I had my own business from 2006 right through [Matt Daniels]: to 2019. So 13 years in the health and fitness industry as a PC running [Matt Daniels]: my own show there, which was an amazing time. And we sold the gym, my partner
[Matt Daniels]: and I sold the gym quite fortunately just before COVID hit at the end of 2019. And [Matt Daniels]: for the best part of, I suppose, 10 years as a PT, I was regularly putting plans [Matt Daniels]: together, run plans together for clients wanting to train for, you know, [Matt Daniels]: 5K, 10K, half marathon, whatever it was. So obviously knowing a lot more now [Matt Daniels]: than what I did back then. Yeah, that was the sort of the first introduction
[Matt Daniels]: into putting together some plans during my PT career. And then, yeah, once COVID [Matt Daniels]: hit, I sort of put it out there in regards to a virtual run. So I had like [Matt Daniels]: a 5K, 10K and half marathon virtual run that I sort of got up and going [Matt Daniels]: just as COVID hit. As you know, that we couldn't do a lot. The gyms were closed
[Matt Daniels]: and stuff like that. So I put that out there as a bit of a nine week program [Matt Daniels]: where I put together personalized plans for people doing 5K, 10K or a half marathon. [Matt Daniels]: And the first one really took off and then it just snowballed from there [Matt Daniels]: really. So yeah, I've got my online run coaching business up from there [Matt Daniels]: and it's... Over the last couple of years, it's gone crazy. So it's been an
[Matt Daniels]: awesome time getting that up and going. And then, yeah, I've obviously been [Matt Daniels]: a really passionate runner for the best part of sort of 10, 12, 13 years. [Matt Daniels]: Grew up in Anglesey, lots of running as a kid, far from elite, but just [Matt Daniels]: a really passionate recreational runner that loves getting out there, getting [Matt Daniels]: plenty of Ks in and yeah, having a real crack at the events when they roll around.
[Matt Daniels]: So. That's my story and plenty of big runs over the journey as well. [Tyson]: Yeah, it's funny I had a look at what you'd done in the running space on your about [Tyson]: me profile and then I read back over it and realized You only started running in
[Tyson]: 2010. I thought oh my goodness That's an incredible amount of runs to get done in [Tyson]: a We can get into that soon, but in terms of how you found your way into the running [Tyson]: world, obviously you said you were writing a few programs or a lot of programs [Tyson]: for, um, the, the athletes or the, the people that were going to your gym. Was
[Tyson]: it always a little bit of an interest area for you? Because I mean, even though it's [Tyson]: still in the fitness world, you put me in a gym and asked me to start training [Tyson]: any athletes on bench press or squats. I'm probably the wrong man for the job. Whereas
[Tyson]: you've managed to combine the two skills beautifully. But in saying all that, it's a [Tyson]: very different world, I guess, that you've involved yourself in now in a really [Tyson]: large capacity and it's been unreal just how much you've got done, how quickly, [Tyson]: not only with your own running, but with the athletes and community you've created
[Tyson]: with your online run coach. What's the story of transfer there? It seems from [Tyson]: the outside to be a bit of a wild jump and one that's really paid off. [Matt Daniels]: Yeah, it sort of seems like that, but I was always here, like I said, I [Matt Daniels]: grew up in Anglesey, so always a really passionate runner. So I just absolutely [Matt Daniels]: loved it. Loved everything that comes with running. So I've been running for
[Matt Daniels]: quite a while. I did my first marathon at Melbourne in 2010, not knowing [Matt Daniels]: a great deal about it. Like I think we all did one of our first marathons. [Matt Daniels]: So, but pretty much from 2010 right through to today, I've been, yeah, plenty [Matt Daniels]: of Ks since then. And things have just been, yeah, sort of fast track. The [Matt Daniels]: online run coaching stuff's just, like I said, it's gone really crazy in
[Matt Daniels]: the last couple of years since I launched that. But before that, yeah, obviously, [Matt Daniels]: big into the health and fitness industry for 13 years. But whilst I was doing [Matt Daniels]: that and taking some big group sessions and stuff like that, yeah, running [Matt Daniels]: was always a passion of mine. And it's always been a bit of a passion project [Matt Daniels]: sort of on the side as I was doing that PT and health and fitness thing.
[Matt Daniels]: And then, yeah, now it's just full-time online run coaching and... absolutely [Matt Daniels]: loving it and loving the sort of community that I've created. [Tyson]: Yeah, you mentioned before we hit record that yeah, you're adding a little pod where [Tyson]: I see all the training programs and stuff get written It's a, it seems like a really [Tyson]: big passion, like from the outset, from when I look at your stuff, I always go
[Tyson]: to your Instagram page. And I think if there's one word that sort of comes away [Tyson]: when you finish looking at it, it's just inspired, but it's not just the inspiration [Tyson]: through health and fitness and running. You seem to have a real appreciation for, um, [Tyson]: just little things like the, the gratefulness and the benefits of that, not just for your [Tyson]: fitness and your health, but for your family, um, and for the small things, which
[Tyson]: I think just correlates beautifully into. running like that psychology it's always [Tyson]: easy to run well when you're grateful for the fact that you're out there and not [Tyson]: Just shuffling your way through it but it just seems as though there's a number [Tyson]: of factors that come together when An athlete's looking at yours and I think one [Tyson]: of the standout points at least from my perspective and actually from Cassie's husband's
[Tyson]: perspective James I don't know if you ever met him He was like I just uh He just [Tyson]: seems like a good bloke with a passion for what he does and appreciation for the things [Tyson]: that he has And I wanted to tap into that a little bit because I know sometimes [Tyson]: you look at that and you're like, oh, that's just a person's personality. They seem [Tyson]: fairly well set up on a mental space, on a physical space, but it looks as though
[Tyson]: it's something that you also put a little bit of work into. I was just curious [Tyson]: to hear a little bit more about that because it definitely stands out in a really [Tyson]: positive way from my perspective about not just the running world, but just your life [Tyson]: in general. [Matt Daniels]: Yeah, I mean, I'm really passionate about, yeah, like I said, running for a long [Matt Daniels]: time. So, yeah, that was nice to James to say that. And Cassie's been, she
[Matt Daniels]: was actually a long-term client of mine at the gym. So a lot of my clients [Matt Daniels]: from back in the day that I had at the gym for five, six, seven years, [Matt Daniels]: a lot of them have, yeah, now transitioned to running and up and running, [Matt Daniels]: whether it's 5K, 10K, half or full, you know, they're up and doing that, [Matt Daniels]: which has been fantastic. But... Yeah, running has been a big part of my life
[Matt Daniels]: and something I'm really passionate about. Like I said earlier, far from it, far [Matt Daniels]: from elite. I'm never the first, but never the last, like I said, just a really [Matt Daniels]: passionate recreational runner that understands how much running can do for [Matt Daniels]: you, but also how much it can positively impact so many people around you. [Matt Daniels]: It's just such a beautiful and simple sport that can bring so much to you
[Matt Daniels]: and really transform your life in so many different ways. So I'm really passionate [Matt Daniels]: about sort of sharing that. with all of my athletes knowing full well from [Matt Daniels]: my own experience that it's helped me out so much in life and it's funny [Matt Daniels]: it's always there for you and it's always so easy just to lace up your shoes
[Matt Daniels]: and get out. You don't have to go out and break any records every day or [Matt Daniels]: any week or any month, you just got to go out and be consistent, enjoy what [Matt Daniels]: you're doing and the results will come and it's a beautiful sport to be [Matt Daniels]: a part of and the community, the whole running community is amazing.
[Tyson]: It's unreal actually, the first time I messaged you was just the other day and I [Tyson]: messaged you because the Melbourne marathon had just sold out which blew my mind. [Tyson]: I called Athletics Victoria because I knew a couple of people there from back in [Tyson]: the day and I thought, oh, surely they'll have a couple of spares that they can look [Tyson]: after me with. And I called him and I think I overestimated my value in athletics
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[Tyson]: Victoria. I spoke to Tim Crosby who's just an absolutely great bloke and I go, mate, [Tyson]: have you got any spares at all? He's like, Ties. He goes, mate, it shocks me as [Tyson]: much as anyone. We can't believe that we're sold out, let alone this early. And I [Tyson]: say that just to emphasise your point about that community level runner at the moment, [Tyson]: like 99% of the runners in every event at the Melbourne Marathon, half marathon, 10K.
[Tyson]: fit in beautifully to that category. There seems to be a little bit of a boom at [Tyson]: the moment. I'm not sure what's caused that, but there's something about maybe it's [Tyson]: Instagram, the social media, but I can't quite put a finger on what's caused that [Tyson]: change. Do you have any thoughts about that? Cause it doesn't seem to be a Melbourne
[Tyson]: based thing either. It seems to be an international thing running for lack of [Tyson]: a better reason, seems to have become a little bit cool.
[Matt Daniels]: Yeah, yeah, totally agree. I actually put something up, I think the other [Matt Daniels]: day on Instagram, I think it was, just in regards to how much of a sort [Matt Daniels]: of a boom period we're going through and just how much, you know, recreational [Matt Daniels]: runners like ourselves are getting out there and signing up for events and just [Matt Daniels]: how awesome it is. So yeah, it really is amazing. The Gradation Road, Ultra,
[Matt Daniels]: Marathon, not sure about the half of those two events were full. Obviously [Matt Daniels]: Melbourne sort of. yeah, 14, 15 weeks out, I've got the half marathon sold [Matt Daniels]: out, the marathon sold out. So it really is going through a boom period. [Matt Daniels]: And like you said, not just in Australia, but yeah, I think worldwide.
[Matt Daniels]: So it's awesome. I think it has a little bit to do with, on the back of [Matt Daniels]: COVID, obviously a couple of years after COVID, probably a lot of people [Matt Daniels]: started during that period now and if they've stuck at it and being consistent [Matt Daniels]: with their training, I think they're at a stage now where they're, ready [Matt Daniels]: for a half marathon or ready for a marathon or. at the point where they're
[Matt Daniels]: ready to do a fun run. And as you know, you do one, you wanna do another [Matt Daniels]: one and then it really just snowballs from there. So I think COVID has [Matt Daniels]: a little bit to do with it, but yeah, it's just incredible, the sport at
[Matt Daniels]: the moment, it's booming industry and it's awesome for us running coaches. But [Matt Daniels]: just seeing so many different people out there, chasing goals, all with their [Matt Daniels]: own unique story, it's really special and it's so awesome to see.
[Tyson]: Yeah, it's funny how you just touched on a point I wanted to follow up with you because [Tyson]: I think it explains your story Well from what I can see there's it's so true that [Tyson]: an athlete will dip their toe in the water They might go out and run a fun run They [Tyson]: might run a 10k half marathon Whatever it is and just get that bug and I had a little [Tyson]: chuckle the other day because I was reading through your profile And I noticed
[Tyson]: that you said you did your first marathon your first official marathon in 2010 though [Tyson]: You'd been a runner for a long time And then you read just a little bit down the [Tyson]: profile. You go on to set a world record, 55 marathons in 55 days, and then run from [Tyson]: Adelaide to Geelong. And they're only a couple. I thought, what was it, another, [Tyson]: the 24 hour treadmill challenge, was it 160 [Matt Daniels]: Yeah, yeah.
[Tyson]: Ks in 24 hours, which is just unbelievable. It's amazing how much that bug kicks in. I've [Tyson]: had a little bit of trouble lately with calf strains and a couple of injuries. [Tyson]: And I said to my wife the other day, because I've just, for about the last seven
[Tyson]: or eight weeks, I've been a lot more consistent with my training. And the other [Tyson]: day I was just having one of those mornings where I'd been in the office and things [Tyson]: weren't going well and the admin was stacking up and there was just, you know, those [Tyson]: fiddly jobs that just kind of get the better of you from time to time. And [Matt Daniels]: Yeah.
[Tyson]: I went outside, I'd put my shoes on, the sun was shining, I got out on the Ballerina [Tyson]: Rail Trail and I remember being out there and I was like, oh, this is the exact [Tyson]: reason that people get out and run because there's nothing that feels healthier [Tyson]: physically and mentally for me right now. Because there's a few things I try and
[Tyson]: stack up each day. One of them is, I like just to... Put all technology away completely [Tyson]: for a minimum of an hour where I'm not looking at my phone or jump it onto a computer [Tyson]: Which doesn't sound like much but I mean the amount that I look at my phone it [Tyson]: adds up real quick and the other one is just being outside for an hour and the other [Tyson]: ones exercising for about an hour and The other day when I was out there I was just
[Tyson]: ticking all three of those boxes at once and just mentally you get home You're [Tyson]: like, ah, there's three things that I value that have just been crossed off and [Tyson]: People always say, my wife's one of them. She's like, I wish I got the buzz that [Tyson]: you get from running. I don't really understand that run as high. And [Matt Daniels]: Yeah. [Tyson]: I guess there comes a point of fitness or there comes a point of flow or whatever
[Tyson]: the word is that you have to kind of be patient for to get into it. And then before [Tyson]: you know it, you're starting to stack up the training and the races and whatever [Tyson]: else it might be that you're working towards. But does that summarize your entry [Tyson]: into the more competitive side of... of running, is that kind of what happened? [Tyson]: Like it seems in a short period of time to develop a whole lot of momentum.
[Matt Daniels]: Yeah, it sort of, like you said, it escalated pretty quickly from the 2010 marathon, [Matt Daniels]: like I said, struggled late the marathon like we most people do on their [Matt Daniels]: on their first one. And probably at the end of it said, I'd never do another [Matt Daniels]: one. And then before you know it, you're back out running and training. I [Matt Daniels]: think in 2012, a couple years later, I did the 100k surf coast entry that
[Matt Daniels]: was in Anglesey where I grew up. So that was a good introduction sort of [Matt Daniels]: to the ultra scene. And then if they're sort of, yeah, really progressed [Matt Daniels]: quite quickly from there. I was getting plenty of Ks in the legs and was [Matt Daniels]: feeling pretty good. And then a lot of my runs after that were more charity [Matt Daniels]: focused. So yeah, in 2014, like you mentioned, I ran from Adelaide to Geelong
[Matt Daniels]: and that was in memory of my Nana who passed away. So she was a Madhawk [Matt Daniels]: supporter and absolutely loved Shane Crawford. So I basically copied Crawford. [Matt Daniels]: I think he did from Adelaide's Rundle Mall down to the Channel 9 Footy Studio. [Matt Daniels]: So... We were in touch with him before I left in regards to what route [Matt Daniels]: he took and all those sort of things. So I, yeah, I started the Rundle Mall
[Matt Daniels]: in Adelaide and ran back to Geelong and finished at the gym. So I had all [Matt Daniels]: the BCNA crew there, all the family obviously, and then you have plenty [Matt Daniels]: of the friends in the community from the gym. So that was really special in [Matt Daniels]: 2014. And then yeah, just progressed from there, some more charity stuff for the
[Matt Daniels]: Leukemia Foundation. So I've always had like a really big reason. you know, [Matt Daniels]: why I'm doing these big runs and being able to sort of push through some
[Matt Daniels]: of the harder days and harder moments on those challenging runs. So it did [Matt Daniels]: escalate quite quickly, but these days, yeah, I've sort of pulled that [Matt Daniels]: back a little bit, yeah, but still a really passionate recreational runner, [Matt Daniels]: getting some good K's in and good consistency and loving it as much as I [Matt Daniels]: did when I started. [Tyson]: Jay, did you say it was 2012, you did the Adelaide Tidjelong?
[Matt Daniels]: So 2012 was the Surf Coast Century, 100k. [Tyson]: Sorry. [Matt Daniels]: And yeah, [Tyson]: Yep. [Matt Daniels]: 2014 was Adelaide to Geelong. I did a big ultra in 2015 up in Canberra. It [Matt Daniels]: was about 450 plus k's, the Anzac Ultra there. And then, yeah, then come [Matt Daniels]: the 55 marathons in 55 days. That was in 2016.
[Tyson]: I actually, I remember, I remember Croft doing that run. It's amazing that was [Tyson]: even 2014, nine years ago, because I remember seeing the footage of him doing [Tyson]: that and just thinking it was unbelievable. Because I used to go down to just the inter-club [Tyson]: runs in, in Melbourne when I was growing up and I'm a huge footy fan as well, though
[Tyson]: Carlton. I mean, I've said that. with a bit of shame the last couple of months, but [Tyson]: after last weekend, I [Matt Daniels]: Get it. [Tyson]: say it with a little bit of pride, but we'll see. There's still a few, that's
[Tyson]: another, that's another conversation for another day. But, uh, I remember seeing [Tyson]: Kroof get around the track for an 800 in under two minutes and, and being a huge [Tyson]: fan of him as a football, and that was sort of, I guess, the latter part of his [Tyson]: career. I don't, I don't know his details really well, but, um, when I saw that he was [Tyson]: venturing out for something like that, it just blew my mind. I thought there's no
[Tyson]: way he's going to be helping. run from Geelong to, sorry, from Adelaide to Geelong [Tyson]: or Adelaide to Melbourne. [Matt Daniels]: Yeah. [Tyson]: Um, but it's, it is amazing that, and you tapped into it beautifully when you said, [Tyson]: and I'm not, don't know what his cause was, but it is interesting when people have [Tyson]: a cause for whatever it is that they're pursuing, you know, whether it's family or
[Tyson]: fitness or, you know, insert, whatever. Just how effective that is in bringing you [Tyson]: through the dark days. And, and that is one thing that I think, as I said, at the [Tyson]: outset of this conversation that stands out about the way that you coach, you seem [Tyson]: to. tap into something deeper in the athletes that you're coaching, which I think [Tyson]: a lot, cause there's a lot of community level athletes who listen to this podcast as
[Tyson]: well. And I think sometimes they almost sneak into an inbox, like almost with an apology [Tyson]: saying, oh, I'm relatively new to the sport. I want to get better. I don't know if [Tyson]: I can justify coaching. And for me, it's obviously something wrong with the marketing [Tyson]: because it's a complete opposite of what I'm going for. But with that particular [Tyson]: athlete, you seem to have just a cool ability to bring something a little deeper
[Tyson]: out in there. I was wondering if you could speak to that because, or also if you [Tyson]: can relate to the experience of people to say, hey, look, here's my situation. I'm [Tyson]: relatively new. I'm not setting any world records. I don't know if I can justify [Tyson]: the coaching, but I really want to improve. Can you help me out? There's a lot [Tyson]: of questions in that. I think if I had to boil that down, I'm trying to say, is
[Tyson]: that a structured, sort of curated, focused? area of your coaching to tap into [Tyson]: more than just the running. [Matt Daniels]: Yeah, I'd say it is. Yeah, I'd say it is definitely a focus because I think [Matt Daniels]: we've all got a really unique story under there as to why we wanna get up [Matt Daniels]: and running. So I've had some incredible stories, yeah, with my athletes.
[Matt Daniels]: So, so many different things. Like I've had some guys reach out and obviously [Matt Daniels]: wanna lose weight and they've been really struggling with their mental health. [Matt Daniels]: So they wanna get up and running. I've had some girls that have really struggled [Matt Daniels]: with some mental health issues and some... anxiety, or some eating disorders. [Matt Daniels]: You know, some have been divorced and have come to me in terms of running, wanting
[Matt Daniels]: to feel better about themselves and get their life back on track. There's just [Matt Daniels]: so many different stories out there. Had a guy who was involved in the police [Matt Daniels]: force, who left the police force and was really struggling mentally and found [Matt Daniels]: running, started running and then wasn't sure, you know, how to build up [Matt Daniels]: successfully to get to a half marathon and a marathon. And he's turned his
[Matt Daniels]: life around with running. lost a heap of weight and now he's, you know, he's [Matt Daniels]: done a half marathon and a full marathon and now he's just, you know, upwards [Matt Daniels]: and onwards we go. So yeah, I'm always really keen on hearing the story [Matt Daniels]: from the athlete in regards to why they, you know, why they want to get
[Matt Daniels]: coaching. I understand we don't want to break any records or finish on the [Matt Daniels]: podium, but yeah, I really value why they're, you know, reaching out to me. [Matt Daniels]: And yeah, I like the unique story that each and every athlete comes to [Matt Daniels]: me with. So, and I'm really just, yeah. really grateful to be able to help [Matt Daniels]: them and have been in a position to help them. And yeah, we form a really good
[Matt Daniels]: relationship straight away and the coaching is really personable. And then [Matt Daniels]: we just get up and running. And I believe in them from the get-go and then [Matt Daniels]: it doesn't take long to string a few weeks together and then they really start
[Matt Daniels]: to get that self-belief and build towards their events. And then, as you [Matt Daniels]: know, once they tick off their first 5K or they hit that marathon goal, then [Matt Daniels]: that's just the beginning of something really special. [Tyson]: Yeah, yeah well for yourself another one I think I missed on the list I don't know [Tyson]: if I'm magnifying this or if I've actually nailed it was it 525 half marathons for 525 [Tyson]: days or if I made that up
[Matt Daniels]: No, no, you've ripped me off 10. So it was 535 [Tyson]: Ha ha ha! [Matt Daniels]: half marathons in 535 days. So it was a half marathon every single day [Matt Daniels]: without fail for the best part of a year and a half. Yeah, 535 days. So I [Matt Daniels]: think it was just over 11,300 kilometres. Yeah, so that was in 2017 until
[Matt Daniels]: the middle of 2019. I set out to do a half marathon every day in memory of [Matt Daniels]: a guy called Andrew Cadigan after reading a book that his dad put together. [Matt Daniels]: It was really inspired by his trip around Australia that he did. So Cad went [Matt Daniels]: around Australia in memory of a mate who lost his life to leukemia, travelled
[Matt Daniels]: around for 535 days. That's where that number comes from. So Cad travelled [Matt Daniels]: around Australia pushing a pram and raising money for the Leukemia Foundation. [Matt Daniels]: He finished. on the Sydney Harbour Bridge and then four days later headed to Thailand [Matt Daniels]: to put together his journals and put him into a book but he was tragically [Matt Daniels]: struck by a motorbike over there and then and then passed away 12 weeks later.
[Matt Daniels]: So his dad Neil put a book together called With Every Step and I read that book [Matt Daniels]: yeah at the when I read the book in the middle of sort of 2016 I read that [Matt Daniels]: book and was incredibly inspired to Yeah, on a CAD and sort of complete his [Matt Daniels]: mission and his work that he was doing for the Leukemia Foundation. So I
[Matt Daniels]: picked CAD start date and CAD end date of his walk around Australia. And [Matt Daniels]: yeah, that equalled 535 days and what I decided on was a half marathon every [Matt Daniels]: day in memory of CAD and to raise money for the Leukemia Foundation. So [Matt Daniels]: yeah, that's what I did. So did the majority of them around the Barwon [Matt Daniels]: River here in Geelong. So I could run that course. Yeah, I could run that
[Matt Daniels]: course blindfolded. So I did the majority of them around, yeah, around Geelong, [Matt Daniels]: got through it all, raised a heap of money for the Leukemia Foundation, [Matt Daniels]: had a really big fundraising night towards the end. And on the 535th and [Matt Daniels]: final half marathon, I was, yeah, I had the pram that Cad had on his walk
[Matt Daniels]: around Australia that his parents brought down. So I pushed that on the 535th [Matt Daniels]: and final half marathon and then finished back at my gym with all Cad's [Matt Daniels]: family and all the crew from the gym there and obviously the family as well. [Matt Daniels]: So that was... Yeah, a really special, special moment. And yeah, one big,
[Matt Daniels]: big charity run I'm really, really proud of. And looking back now, I'm [Matt Daniels]: not sure how I got through it, to be honest, it's 150 Ks a week it is for, [Matt Daniels]: I think it was just over 70 weeks. But yeah, tick that off and got that [Matt Daniels]: done. And yeah, that's one I'm really proud of.
[Tyson]: So talk to me about... There must have been a number of days or even weeks where you're [Tyson]: wrestling with illness or injury or niggles or blisters or Maybe you've even got
[Tyson]: a couple of surprises for us 535 like 70 weeks of that. I was thinking that when [Tyson]: I when I was doing the maths like 150 K's a week Is that that's a huge week if I [Tyson]: did 150 K's for a week right now I would have the feet up for a few weeks and [Tyson]: just give myself a pat on the back But to do that another 74 times on top of that [Tyson]: is that is unbelievable Did you have a couple of wild days out there, a couple of
[Tyson]: wild weeks where you were just resting with whether or not you're gonna get them done? [Matt Daniels]: Yeah, yeah, definitely. I like to think that I'll put my mind to something [Matt Daniels]: I'm usually pretty good and think I can get through well, just about anything. [Matt Daniels]: But early on in this endeavor, I was, the first few weeks I thought I might [Matt Daniels]: have bit off [Tyson]: Mm-hmm. [Matt Daniels]: more than [Tyson]: Yeah.
[Matt Daniels]: I could chew here. I was really struggling. The body was really struggling, [Matt Daniels]: just 150 Ks a week. I was obviously still running the gym. Yeah, I had four kids [Matt Daniels]: at the time. So I was under the pump with dad life as well. So early on [Matt Daniels]: I was really struggling, but. as the weeks went on, you know, got a little [Matt Daniels]: bit easier and a little bit easier. So, but there was definitely some days
[Matt Daniels]: in there. Yeah, I was struggling early on with just sort of overall general [Matt Daniels]: body soreness, but yeah, there was times there where I wasn't well, a couple [Matt Daniels]: of days there where you have the flu or you're just not well. And probably [Matt Daniels]: the big one was I was involved in a car accident. I'd luckily ran that morning, [Matt Daniels]: but was involved in a car accident in the afternoon. And... everyone was okay,
[Matt Daniels]: fortunately, but we had to go to hospital and do the check over. So it had [Matt Daniels]: a bit of whiplash and all those sort of things, but then had to obviously get [Matt Daniels]: up the next day and get out and get the half marathon done. So that was [Matt Daniels]: probably the, yeah, the big one during the year and a half was the car [Matt Daniels]: accident, which isn't obviously ideal for trying to run a half marathon the [Matt Daniels]: next day.
[Tyson]: What, uh, what point do you feel like your legs started to adjust to the, the amount [Tyson]: of running you were doing? [Matt Daniels]: I think it took about four to six weeks to feel like it was okay. So I'd [Matt Daniels]: just get out before work, super early in the morning, or after our early morning
[Matt Daniels]: group sessions, I'd go straight down the river and get it done. So like I said, [Matt Daniels]: looking back now, I'm not sure how, I found that hour and 40 minutes, hour
[Matt Daniels]: and 50 minutes, two hours to get it done every day. But yeah, it's funny, [Matt Daniels]: like I said, when you have a really big reason why you tend to find your [Matt Daniels]: way pretty... pretty well, so yeah, I was really determined to honor Kat [Matt Daniels]: as best I could, and his dad Neil knew all about it, so I was on a bit of [Matt Daniels]: a mission back then, and yeah, got it done.
[Tyson]: It's great that you're able to get the family and friends and everyone out there, [Tyson]: especially with the pram, like that's a beautiful symbol to finish with, but it's [Tyson]: nice how much everyone [Matt Daniels]: Yeah, definitely. Yeah, the gym, the gym and all the all the family, first [Matt Daniels]: of all, like Lee and all the kids and all my other family members were incredible
[Matt Daniels]: support and motivation. And then yeah, the gym had lots of lots of members [Matt Daniels]: at the gym just really supportive in terms of their donating to the leukemia [Matt Daniels]: foundation and the fundraising night was really special. But then just being [Matt Daniels]: at the at the gym at the at the end of the 535th and final one pushing [Matt Daniels]: CADS pram we left late in the afternoon and sort of got back around 6 630.
[Matt Daniels]: and had a huge crowd there. So yeah, that was really special and the support [Matt Daniels]: was amazing, not just that night, but all the way through the whole 18 months. [Tyson]: Yeah, yeah with the um with the 21k day It's interesting because a lot of people [Tyson]: one of the most popular episodes on here ever has been Liam Adams Who was speaking [Tyson]: about how he's running a hundred and sixty K a week and he's doing that as a full-time
[Tyson]: tradie. And I think it stood out to a lot of people from what I can tell, and a [Tyson]: couple of people that I've heard from, because a lot of people think if you wanna [Tyson]: do well at running, it has to just be all running. But even to hear you speak [Tyson]: about doing this 21K a day on top of your group sessions, on top of running a gym, [Tyson]: on top of the four kids that you had at the time, I see you added an extra one to [Tyson]: the batch since [Matt Daniels]: Yeah
[Tyson]: then. I think it's really encouraging because it kind of broadens people's mindset [Tyson]: of what they're capable of actually doing with their time. And I understand that [Tyson]: a lot of it comes down to your priorities and where it is that you put your attention. [Tyson]: But I don't know, do you have any general advice or any helpful advice around how you
[Tyson]: manage your time? Because it seems like you're a kind of person who managed to [Tyson]: get a lot done with the day's work each and every day, or maybe even expand it [Tyson]: out to sort of the weeks. I know we have a couple of off days here and there. But [Tyson]: In terms of how you're squeezing all of that in, especially at that time, how are [Tyson]: you navigating that? How are you managing it?
[Matt Daniels]: Yeah, like I said, it was unbelievable support from Lee and the kids. Obviously without [Matt Daniels]: their support, it wouldn't be possible. But yeah, like I said, just the why [Matt Daniels]: factor, so wanting to on a cad and just being in a zone to on a cad and just
[Matt Daniels]: on a mission, it really become a priority. So there was some mornings there, [Matt Daniels]: I'd be doing sort of 3 a.m., 3.30 a.m. starts around the river to get it [Matt Daniels]: done by say 5.30 to get to the gym to set up to start our [Tyson]: I'm [Matt Daniels]: group [Tyson]: going [Matt Daniels]: training [Tyson]: to go ahead [Matt Daniels]: at [Tyson]: and [Matt Daniels]: six [Tyson]: turn it [Matt Daniels]: or 6.30 [Tyson]: off.
[Matt Daniels]: or whatever it was. So... And if it wasn't that, it was the group training [Matt Daniels]: in the morning, 6.30 with a couple of PT sessions to sort of 9.10. And [Matt Daniels]: then I'd head down the river and then go and get it done. So it was really [Matt Daniels]: just making that half marathon mission a real priority in getting it done.
[Matt Daniels]: Definitely wasn't easy, like I said, but, and then in between that, once [Matt Daniels]: I sort of got through that four to six weeks initial part, it was really just, [Matt Daniels]: yeah, looking after the body as best I can and then just ticking the runs [Matt Daniels]: off. week after week. So I had some really good support from some close friends
[Matt Daniels]: who would meet up every weekend would catch up and run. So that was great looking [Matt Daniels]: forward to some motivation, some accountability with those guys every weekend. [Matt Daniels]: So [Tyson]: I'm [Matt Daniels]: but I think it just come down to, you know, really wanting [Tyson]: going [Matt Daniels]: to honor Kat as best I could, making the running a priority because it was [Matt Daniels]: a, you know, an hour and a half, two hours out of my day, every single day.
[Matt Daniels]: And if that meant three [Tyson]: to go ahead [Matt Daniels]: o'clock [Tyson]: and start [Matt Daniels]: or [Tyson]: the [Matt Daniels]: 330am [Tyson]: video. [Matt Daniels]: or at 7pm or 730 after our last group session, and that's just what sort of [Matt Daniels]: had to be done. So yeah, it was a priority and it's amazing how you can [Matt Daniels]: make things work when you when you really want it.
[Tyson]: Yeah, so I've got two kids at home I've got two boys a three-year-old and a nine [Tyson]: month old and if I get through a day of just being a good dad And nothing else happens. [Tyson]: I got hey, well done Did very well today to [Matt Daniels]: Yeah. [Tyson]: hear from people actually to go back mention him a couple of times now Cass's husband [Tyson]: James he comes from a family of five and I used to go out to their house and love
[Tyson]: the chaos as a Kid because I comment I was raised an only child. I got a half sister [Tyson]: But two boys now, I go, mate, my house is absolute chaos at the best of times. So [Tyson]: for me, to be fair, maybe this works in my favour because whenever I go out for [Tyson]: a run now, at times there's some incentive to extend the run just based on [Matt Daniels]: Yeah. [Tyson]: the fact, I know as much as I love them, I know I'm just coming into [Matt Daniels]: Yeah.
[Tyson]: wet nappies and temper tantrums, which is a... [Matt Daniels]: Yeah, yeah, chaos. So I think that's another reason why we get out. We just [Matt Daniels]: need half an hour and out of ourselves because we know when we get back, [Matt Daniels]: it's all hands on deck with the with the kids. [Tyson]: Yeah, outside of running, I do a fair bit of stand-up comedy. And the only place
[Tyson]: really that you can do stand-up comedy is down in Melbourne. I mean, there's a couple [Tyson]: of local rooms to us, but my wife always goes, oh, you're so disciplined going down [Tyson]: there a few times a week. I don't know how you do it. I was like, yeah, babe, it's [Tyson]: just very disciplined, [Matt Daniels]: I'm [Tyson]: very inspired. [Matt Daniels]: sorry. [Tyson]: But you look at what I'm missing. I'm painting myself in a bad light here, but you
[Tyson]: look at what I'm missing, a bath time and dinner. and just the craziest time of the [Tyson]: day. So it really is, I feel like it takes more discipline to stay at home, but [Tyson]: I hope my door's shut here because I would never [Matt Daniels]: It's [Tyson]: admit [Matt Daniels]: like... [Tyson]: that [Matt Daniels]: Yeah. [Tyson]: to her or not too often anyway, because I've got a pretty good reputation in her mind [Tyson]: right now.
[Matt Daniels]: Yeah, well after, like you said, that sort of five o'clock onwards, the dinner, [Matt Daniels]: bath, books, sort of bed time is, yeah, that's insane. It's quite busy. It's [Matt Daniels]: chaotic here. So, but yeah, like the half marathons, we get through it [Matt Daniels]: every day and [Tyson]: Hehehe [Matt Daniels]: then, yeah, get some sleep and then go again.
[Tyson]: What was your hardest challenge, for lack of a better word, like 55 marathons, 55 [Tyson]: days, five kids, 535 [Matt Daniels]: Okay. [Tyson]: halves in 535 days, which one? That one sounds the hardest to me, the 535 that [Tyson]: we just spoke about. [Matt Daniels]: Yeah, that one would be it. So obviously the marathons were challenging, [Matt Daniels]: but that was 55 days, you know, a couple of months and it's over. 160 Ks in
[Matt Daniels]: the treadmill was just a 24 hour thing. So that again was challenging, [Matt Daniels]: but that was done and dusted in 24 hours. So yeah, it's just the length [Matt Daniels]: and the amount of Ks every week for a year and a half. Like I said, 70 plus [Matt Daniels]: weeks of 150 Ks a week. Yeah, just week after week. So that one was definitely
[Matt Daniels]: the most challenging, most time consuming. And probably looking back, the one [Matt Daniels]: I'm sort of most proud of just being able to finally complete CAD's mission [Matt Daniels]: and raise some good amount of money for the Leukemia Foundation by doing [Matt Daniels]: that one. [Tyson]: Yeah, are you the kind of guy with the 55 marathons? I'm just doing the mass here. [Tyson]: What's that? That's 280k a week a little bit more but closer to 300 is it?
[Matt Daniels]: Yeah, close to 300 Ks a week. So yeah, 42 Ks, yeah. [Tyson]: So how are you managing that? Is that pretty intensive on recovery and were you fueling [Tyson]: with jowls and things? Or how did you, like obviously [Matt Daniels]: Yes.
[Tyson]: disciplines and inspiring part of it, but in terms of just how do you keep the body [Tyson]: just getting back up and doing it again and again, is [Matt Daniels]: Yeah, [Tyson]: the [Matt Daniels]: I [Tyson]: part [Matt Daniels]: was basically, [Tyson]: I get confused [Matt Daniels]: yeah, [Tyson]: about.
[Matt Daniels]: I was eating anything and everything pretty much. Yeah, burning so many calories, [Matt Daniels]: obviously with the, with the, you know, four hours, four and a half hours, [Matt Daniels]: whatever I was out there for. It wasn't so much about time. It was just about [Matt Daniels]: getting the case done and taking off a marathon and getting home and recovering [Matt Daniels]: as best I can. Same thing with the gym that was in 2016. I still had the gym
[Matt Daniels]: and the kids. So it was busy, busy. But yeah, trying to recover as best as [Matt Daniels]: you can. And then. just getting the most sort of quality sleep you can before [Matt Daniels]: you sort of get up and yeah, get the four hours or four and a half hours [Matt Daniels]: or whatever it was with the marathons and just ticking them off. And same [Matt Daniels]: as probably the half marathons early on is the first sort of week or two it
[Matt Daniels]: was quite challenging on the body. But then after that it become, yeah, [Matt Daniels]: just something that I wanted to tick off and achieve. And yeah, I mean, [Matt Daniels]: it wasn't easy, but it was a lot more sort of bearable once I got through [Matt Daniels]: that first two week period. [Tyson]: Yeah, but you've worked with an incredible amount of recreational runners, people who [Tyson]: have sort of just stepped foot through the door essentially, and started to build
[Tyson]: their way up. Are there any standout factors of what holds people back? I can imagine [Tyson]: there'd be a lot of people that eventually come to you and go, I've been meaning to reach [Tyson]: out for ages. Well, I'm sort of projecting there because I think I've had a couple of
[Tyson]: experiences like that. and people have been a little bit standoffish initially. But [Tyson]: in terms of what's holding people back from improvement from a recreational level, [Tyson]: have you seen some familiar traits? [Matt Daniels]: Yeah, that's a good question. Holding people back. Yeah, I think people just, [Matt Daniels]: you've got to be patient, as you know, in running, you really got to be
[Matt Daniels]: patient. You can't just go out and two weeks later, go from zero to 5K in [Matt Daniels]: two weeks, or zero to 5K in five weeks. And if you do, you're just going [Matt Daniels]: to get injured and you're going to pick up a niggle and you're going to dislike [Matt Daniels]: running, and then you're going to stop running and then never run again, because [Matt Daniels]: you're going to hate it and think it's a... you know, bad for your knees
[Matt Daniels]: and a bad sport and all those sort of things. So you really got to be patient [Matt Daniels]: with it and you've really got to be consistent as well. So those two things [Matt Daniels]: are really important. So I think those that, I mean, don't stick to the plan [Matt Daniels]: or try to jump too far ahead. We almost want the first few weeks of every [Matt Daniels]: training program just to be almost too easy for you. Just so you're getting
[Matt Daniels]: it done, you're not anxious or overwhelmed about getting out. You just [Matt Daniels]: get out, you tick off what you need to tick off. Yes, it might be a little [Matt Daniels]: bit easier, but that's exactly what we want it to be in the first few weeks.
[Matt Daniels]: And then after sort of two, three, four weeks, they can start to get some [Matt Daniels]: real momentum with their running, can build a bit of confidence, a bit of self-belief, [Matt Daniels]: a bit of strength with their running, and then start to really believe that
[Matt Daniels]: they can actually do it because the first few weeks have been quite easy. And [Matt Daniels]: then from there, yeah, if they start stringing the runs together, you know, [Matt Daniels]: every second day, every third day, then they can really get some good momentum [Matt Daniels]: with their running and start to really believe in their goal and what they [Matt Daniels]: can achieve. But... For those that have struggled, I think they've just tried
[Matt Daniels]: to do too much too soon. Or they've taken the approach that they've grabbed [Matt Daniels]: an online training program that's giving them, you know, one mile reps in week [Matt Daniels]: one, which is just crazy because some of them can't run for 30 seconds or 60 [Matt Daniels]: seconds and they've got a program that's given them, you know, something crazy
[Matt Daniels]: like a K reps or mile reps or something like that. So, yeah, it's just having [Matt Daniels]: a, someone in your corner who knows exactly sort of where you're at with [Matt Daniels]: your fitness and your, and your running history. and who believes in you and [Matt Daniels]: who will help you out there, you know, in the safest way. So you're running [Matt Daniels]: and building up the right way.
[Tyson]: Yeah, that's really well said it sounds like there's a lot of admin that comes with [Tyson]: this tracking the progress of an athlete and making Sure, you're not building them up [Tyson]: too quickly. I'm a big fan of training peaks I don't know if you use that for any [Tyson]: of the athletes that you coach But in terms of just cataloging the actual training
[Tyson]: and seeing the progress I find that really helpful What do you do? I've seen a [Tyson]: few photos just with the classic pen and paper Which I'm a big fan of as well just [Tyson]: riding the training program crossing off the athletes just to let them know that [Tyson]: it's done It's uploaded What platform do you use to upload it on or is it just an [Tyson]: email? Yeah, [Matt Daniels]: Yeah, yeah, it's just an email. So I'm pretty old school like that. [Tyson]: nah, [Matt Daniels]: So
[Tyson]: I like it. I like [Matt Daniels]: I've looked [Tyson]: it. [Matt Daniels]: at training peeps, I've looked at Final Surge, I've sort of hummed an art [Matt Daniels]: about going down that avenue with the apps, but yeah, like I said, I'm pretty [Matt Daniels]: old school in regards to, so I just, yeah, PDF email, send through five
[Matt Daniels]: week blocks at a time with their training. I've got everyone in their folders [Matt Daniels]: where they need to be, whether they're doing Gold Coast, Run Melbourne, Geelong [Matt Daniels]: Half Marathon, whatever it may be. I've got the folders on the desktop there. [Matt Daniels]: I've got my coaching clients there, so my three, six and 12 month coaching [Matt Daniels]: clients in a different folder. So I know where everyone's at, what they're
[Matt Daniels]: doing, what sessions they've done. Yeah, I touch base with them quite regularly. [Matt Daniels]: Obviously have them in the Strava. Strava clubs there, so I'm all over their training. [Matt Daniels]: And then, yeah, we touch base quite regularly to check in and see how things [Matt Daniels]: are going. And then I'll update it every five weeks and send through their [Matt Daniels]: next training block and revise it as we need. So. Yeah, I've got quite a few
[Matt Daniels]: active clients on the books now. So yeah, those apps for now anyway, I'm [Matt Daniels]: quite happy with the old school PDF approach. [Tyson]: Now I like it I always I always get a hard time off my friends because besides [Tyson]: training peaks I'm fairly old school myself So I'm actually hearing you speak about [Tyson]: this. It's almost you know how pen and paper is a little bit nostalgic to some [Tyson]: people I'm [Matt Daniels]: Yeah.
[Tyson]: starting to feel that way about email like you know what like they're back in the [Tyson]: back when I was a kid That was the best [Matt Daniels]: Yeah. [Tyson]: way to do it, but yeah, I definitely agree with it So do you um do you have a bit [Tyson]: of a structure as to when you sit down and actually write the training prams? Programs [Tyson]: alright today's Monday We're gonna make sure that everyone's up to date. Or how
[Tyson]: do you structure that? Because it's a lot to keep your head around. [Matt Daniels]: Yeah, it is. And everyone's really different. So there's so many different [Matt Daniels]: things to take into account for the runners. So like, for example, I had [Matt Daniels]: a lot of people do the run Melbourne half marathon a couple of days ago, but that [Matt Daniels]: was sort of smack bang in the middle of the program for say the Sydney marathon
[Matt Daniels]: in nine weeks or the Melbourne marathon in 13 weeks. Some did the 10K run [Matt Daniels]: Melbourne and then arriving off the half marathon at Melbourne. So everyone's [Matt Daniels]: a little bit different in regards to sort of where they're at and what they're [Matt Daniels]: doing with their program. But I know sort of, yeah, like I said, exactly
[Matt Daniels]: where everyone's at and stuff like that. So, and everyone's different in [Matt Daniels]: regards to days they train, what days they want their sessions on, when [Matt Daniels]: they prefer to do their long run, Saturday or Sunday. So all the coaching [Matt Daniels]: is all personalized. So like, if you want to head out Saturday, if you long [Matt Daniels]: run, we make it Saturday, we rest Sunday, we do a recovery run Monday and
[Matt Daniels]: then away we go. But everyone's a little bit different. Some people can only [Matt Daniels]: commit to, you know, three runs a week. which is fine. Obviously those doing [Matt Daniels]: the marathon, we want to get some more mileage. So they're doing sort of
[Matt Daniels]: four or five days of training. So yeah, it's a little bit tricky to answer [Matt Daniels]: just because there's so many different things for so many different people, [Matt Daniels]: depending on their goals and where they're at and at what stage they're [Matt Daniels]: at with their running journey. [Tyson]: Yeah, I'm jumping around a little bit here, but one question I was meant to ask you,
[Tyson]: and I wanted to hear your thoughts on this. Obviously running the gym back in [Tyson]: the day, there'd be a lot of strength work, mobility work, flexibility and stuff [Tyson]: that just sneaks into your day, even probably without much conscious effort. But [Tyson]: I was wondering, looking at just the durability. that your body obviously has when [Tyson]: it comes to some of these more extreme endurance challenges, how much you credit the
[Tyson]: actual strength side of your background to enabling you to do that. Because I don't [Tyson]: know too many people that, and I know like, just to emphasize that I heard, that [Tyson]: you had the history of running as a young guy, but even still with a history of [Tyson]: running as a young guy to doing the challenge that you put yourself through, there's [Tyson]: obviously something special or something that people don't know about going on. in your
[Tyson]: own training program. So how much is that is credited to, you know, strength and [Tyson]: mobility and technique and, you know, whatever else it might be. [Matt Daniels]: Yeah, yeah, good question. So I'll probably, I reckon probably like most [Matt Daniels]: runners I've neglected the strength stuff, you know, more than I'd like to admit [Matt Daniels]: over the years. The last sort of six to 12 months, I've really improved that
[Matt Daniels]: area. So two strength sessions a week. Mobility again, something I could definitely [Matt Daniels]: improve on trying to find time to squeeze it all in. So I could definitely [Matt Daniels]: improve on the mobility stuff, but yeah, I do two strength sessions a week [Matt Daniels]: now in combination with the running. So I run five days and I do two strength
[Matt Daniels]: sessions on the other days, but. Over the journey, yeah, definitely done [Matt Daniels]: a little bit of the strength stuff, but probably not as much as people think, [Matt Daniels]: but there has been like a, yeah, a bit of a strength foundation there over the [Matt Daniels]: journey with some of these long charity runs as I was building up for Adelaide [Matt Daniels]: and then obviously the marathons and then the half marathon journey over 18
[Matt Daniels]: months. So, but I think, yeah, we all neglected a little bit. So, yeah, definitely [Matt Daniels]: guilty of that in the past as well. [Tyson]: Yeah, yeah, it seems to be a bit of a theme with distance runners I caught up with [Tyson]: a bloke I used to run with Nick Whiteman. So he's a he's a pretty I think he's run about
[Tyson]: 29 30 He's a 225 runner. He actually it's funny. He so the house I'm living in now [Tyson]: coincidentally, he lives about 60 meters that way and The other days he saw me he goes [Tyson]: away you live in I said mate. I'm just around the corner he goes great, let's go for [Tyson]: our long run and He sucker punched me because I've been working back quietly [Matt Daniels]: Hehehe [Tyson]: and he's just as fit as a fiddle So we [Matt Daniels]: Yeah.
[Tyson]: called out there for a 90 minute long run He's chatting away and I'm just doing my [Tyson]: best to keep up But that was one thing we've spoken about is that it's just how funny [Tyson]: it is that Distance runners forget about the importance of strength work And even [Tyson]: though I can see it now because I'm getting so much more focused on my goal was [Tyson]: to it's still my goal I'm training for the Melbourne Marathon and just crossing [Tyson]: my fingers someone gets hurt
[Matt Daniels]: Yeah. [Tyson]: As long as that person's not me [Matt Daniels]: Yeah. [Tyson]: Yeah, just I'm trying to figure out a way to get into that Melbourne marathon. [Tyson]: But in the process of increasing my running miles, I've noticed, okay, like last [Tyson]: week, I only did one strength session when usually I'm fairly disciplined in that
[Tyson]: area. Yeah, just it slips away for whatever reason, but it is, it's interesting [Tyson]: when you look at a guy like Jakub Ingebrigtsen, or Mo Farah has a couple of YouTube videos [Tyson]: where he actually delves into the importance of that strength and mobility work for a runner. [Tyson]: It's strange how it's kind of forgotten, but I guess, you know, when you look at what [Tyson]: it is we're trying to achieve. It's maybe no surprise that so many athletes will
[Tyson]: like yourself. And I've just credited you the, the Hulk status, uh, because of all [Tyson]: the strength work you've done, but apparently you just, uh, you [Matt Daniels]: Yeah. [Tyson]: just gifted naturally and can get through it, but it really does seem to benefit, um, [Tyson]: our ability just to, you know, continually be consistent, which, you know, like I say, [Tyson]: and you just said, he's, he's such an important part of developing as a runner.
[Matt Daniels]: Yeah, I think it's really important. It definitely should be in the training programs [Matt Daniels]: and it should compliment the running. So your strength shouldn't be so much [Matt Daniels]: and so big and so heavy that it really affects your running if your running
[Matt Daniels]: is the thing you wanna do. But it should definitely compliment the running, [Matt Daniels]: whether it's one, two, three strength sessions a week and some mobility [Matt Daniels]: stuff would be awesome in and around, you know, your three, four, five, six
[Matt Daniels]: runs a week, whatever people are doing. So... And it's really good mentally, [Matt Daniels]: obviously as well, knowing when you do get to your events that you put all [Matt Daniels]: the work in, not just with your running and your mileage and doing that really [Matt Daniels]: smartly, but you've got that strength working, the legs are strong, you're [Matt Daniels]: feeling really, really good physically and mentally, and you're able to
[Matt Daniels]: go out and execute your race day strategy on the back of being really consistent [Matt Daniels]: with that strength component, as well as the running component. [Tyson]: Yeah, before I let you go have you got any other little challenges or big challenges [Tyson]: or Anything on the cards that you're gonna be putting yourself through in the in [Tyson]: the near future [Matt Daniels]: Yeah, I'll get access a little bit now. I haven't [Tyson]: Hehehe
[Matt Daniels]: actually got anything on the cards. Like I said, I got Cad's pram that he [Matt Daniels]: pushed around Australia on my 535th and final half marathon. I've got Cad's [Matt Daniels]: pram still here. So I'm really keen one day to do another big, you know, fundraising, [Matt Daniels]: leukemia foundation fundraising run with the pram. So I've just got to work [Matt Daniels]: out what I want to do and when I want to do it and how I'm going to do it.
[Matt Daniels]: how it's gonna work with the family and all those sort of obstacles. So [Matt Daniels]: I definitely plan on doing something, yeah, with the pram down the track, but I'm [Matt Daniels]: just not quite sure yet. Yeah, I'm just happy running and staying injury free [Matt Daniels]: and obviously loving the coaching, but yeah, I'm sure there'll be another big [Matt Daniels]: one, maybe next year at some stage, but I've got to work it out first.
[Tyson]: Yeah, awesome man, well dude, I'm loving what you're doing. I'm sorry. It's taking us [Tyson]: so long to finally catch up but I mean it's been good to sit down and actually touch [Tyson]: base with you have a chat to you and meet you in person I'm a big fan of what you're [Tyson]: doing. So you keep up the great stuff and for anyone interested I'll make sure I [Tyson]: tag your Instagram and your website and stuff in the in the show description or [Tyson]: the notes below
[Matt Daniels]: Now, worries, thanks for having us on Tyson. Appreciate and keep up your awesome [Matt Daniels]: work you're doing with the coaching and in the podcast with the in the running [Matt Daniels]: community. [Tyson]: Thanks, man. Yeah, we'll do. We'll see you soon. See you later, everybody. Great [Tyson]: man.