Hello, everyone, and welcome to this week's episode of relationships rule. My guest this week is Chuck Hogan. And Chuck comes to us from Texas, the the the big state, we shall say everything's bigger in Texas, right? And first of all, welcome to the show. Chuck.
Thank you so much for having me on, Janice.
My pleasure. Chuck is the managing partner, a managing partner at your best light, and an organization helping people to elevate finance, family fitness and faith, to maximize their best life through mentors strategizing community, and exclusive once in a lifetime experience. His unique background of sales business and relationship building gives him a rare perspective that enables him to successfully guide entrepreneurs, CEOs and other
top executives to new heights. And that's a lot very formal and whatever. So I want to just dig right in and say, Okay, so your best life, which is your passion piece, I know, I can tell when I've talked to you before. What exactly is it? Why do I want to be part of it?
It's a community. And one of the things that we started finding Janice, and that in the world of self development, self growth, for we want to call it self exploration, that there's a couple presuppositions one, people are looking for other like minded people. As a challenge with this, though, we get into these spaces where the, I'll say the draw initially, is that Ooh, did you see that too? Oh, I heard that as well. Oh, we can grow and be billionaires
together. And it's like, okay, so there's this kind of premise of that, in some way, shape, or form, you need to improve you that you need to grow you and I go, Oh, level one relationship. Hmm. All about you. And here's the challenge with that. We are our own worst. Advocates. Like we don't advocate for self, we actually wait for someone else to give us an external reference of, hey, you know, you're amazing. Hey, I just like being around you. You are really kind of nice person. It's like, oh,
well, thank you. And then Didn't you know that before? Like you, weren't you always that person. And so we judge self about we're waiting for a little frame in order for someone else. So your best life was created out of a very simple time. COVID got it. anything but simple. And I was like, well, actually not true. COVID forced everyone to slow down to reevaluate what was really important. You had listed a little thing called time that was back on your side. Because you weren't commuting
unnecessarily. You weren't hanging out with a bunch of people. It's like, I've got a lot more net time than I used to have. And all of a sudden, Janice, friends of mine, and cohorts and business partners, we started collaborating, we're like, what do we miss? We miss people. Oh, but it's socially responsible to go out and meet with other people. And I go, is that really true? Because I'm around my kids all the time and not an issue. And I'm around my spouse all the time. And it's
not an issue. And I said, so if you're around other like minded, and this was the key difference, like hearted people. So Whoa, whoa, whoa, what's that all about? And I said, Well, here's the truth. A lot of communities people get together, and they'll go, oh, teach me something. I'm a sponge. I just want to learn. I go, huh? I've been part of a lot of I'll say shelf health programs. Because the book goes right on the shelf, the binder,
the whole dissertation, they were an intensive three day. hit Florida, the bit of the pedal to the metal and they were just going on going it's like, okay, and what changed? Oh, I changed. I shifted. I am a new person. It's I got great. What do you change? Well, my focus is different now, Chuck, so I'm planning I'm planning the chain. Oh, so you didn't actually shift. But it's an idea and ideology. It's a apotheosis. It's a theory. Well, why BL said let's start with the theory. Let's get people
together. Because there are places on this planet we can still travel to. Yes, you have to wear masks on a plane. So we opened up year one
during COVID. Yes. Scary.
Okay. Good. You all are psychotic. And I go, Well, no, there's a difference. See, we don't look to raise standards, we look to have different standards. Why? In order to raise a standard, you have to judge the standard that you had before. And anytime you judge you lose access to those resources. So now you're presupposing that something was wrong. It wasn't good enough. And it's like, oh, this is the advantage of being a neuro strategist because now you're
remembering how the brain works. You go. So we're going to create a different strategy and a different standard. And the standard was we're going to enjoy each other We're going to collaborate. So our very first trip was to Costa Rica. We then went to Mykonos, the Maldives ash curette. COVID. During COVID, we went to Park City, Utah, we've gone to the Maldives we have gone. I mean, I know you all are nuts. It's like, no, actually, it's setting a different standard. We just got
back from Rwanda. And with John Gray and his beautiful wife, Vicky, on a family trip, which we call her also relationship. Why does this become important? We're not looking for exceptional. This is the interesting part, we started noticing that people are brilliant, beautiful, bright and
bold in and of themselves. And yet, when we start to look at the modalities of a person, and we'll use our hand as an example, if I'm working in faith, family, fitness and finance, if I'm ailing in any one of these, they're all tethered together. So a rising tide raises all ships, but an anchor can sync all of them as well. And so we started to realize that were a lot of firms were offering coaching or
strategist services. We shifted. We said you know what, we're gonna bring in the best of the best people who are specialists in relationship and business and not just talking it they actually have built, you know, they're sent to millionaires and DECA millionaires and, and they've been married. I've been married for 37 years, you know, it's like, so is there an example there? Yes. Three beautiful kids. Everyone's healthy and happy. Oh, so you're, you're like the
Huxtables you're like the Brady Bunch. You're like I said, no, there are some days were more like married with children. I'm like Ted Bundy. Or Al Bundy. Excuse me, O'Neill and Al Bundy. And I blended the same guy. Difference. Exactly. Yeah. But to your point, your best life is a community. And It specializes
in faith, family, fitness, and finance. And we started to notice that when people were suffering in business, it normally wasn't due to the business, it was normally due to something that was happening in their personal life and the relationships. When people were suffering the relationships, it was like, it wasn't just the relationship. It was health and vitality or spirituality and faith. And it's like, okay, so we brought in the best of the best and all these different
silos. And there's a lot of crosstalk. There's a lot of cross chat, but you don't want to thank you for something. You went on our website. And you said, it's so positive. Thank you for that. Because the intent is, is that you're going to live life. Some people are surviving it. Some people are thriving in it. Yeah. Exactly. To live life to the fullest. And to say, I'm gonna live my best life, whatever that looks like today.
Okay. Okay. But but I would guess from looking at the website that, you know, it says attention, dreamers, doers, and achievers, how we help you design your best to you. But it looks to me like, I have to have a lot of money to be involved in this community. thing that I've felt. So
this is this is one of the other tenants of the company, we actually made this based on a membership that actually helps cultivate your business first. And here's the
reason why we started I know people go Wait, what? So literally, your your membership is for business, strategizing, and in all the other modalities, but we literally dive deep in your business to find out who you are, what you are good services, operations, optimization, we look at cash flow culture, we look at the certainty we look at the modalities behind production, profitability, products, delivery, marketing, and why we do this as we realize that when
people have capacity, it actually gives them more possibilities. So money is not the outcome. It's the opportunities that the tool Yeah, for sure. We've had a lot of clients, Janice, who have been so relegated to being the business operator, like they I can't get out of it can't get out of it are often optics are to help them move more towards ownership, where now they're getting more net time back,
right? Being able to scale. And also to start to propagate exit strategies for a business or business is we've had several members who have done that and they're like going, Oh, my gosh,
know what I do. So you have people in the organization who are business consultant, strategist, whatever, like counsel, things like that, who guide and help people in their businesses first
and Yes, correct. So we have a top tier economist and a former head of a national mortgage brokerage firm who was so adept with money it's beyond ridiculous. His his calls on what's happened economically have been beyond freakishly good. I daresay great, but I don't want to jinx it. So I'll knock on some wood here. Preston Brown, who is my other part? So that's Dean and as Preston Brown is a entrepreneur grew up. Very,
I'll say humble beginnings. In his trailer park lifestyle as a kid, but so much drive so much passion, so learned that he now owns 19 companies, and he is well into being a center millionaire owns several aircraft and McLaren. I mean, he's living. He's very blessed, one of the most brilliant human beings I know. And he questions everything, which I love, which I love. He's that guy. It's the definitely that guy, and myself
as well. And then here was what the beautiful part, we actually have members who decided to actually become strategists within our organization. And because they have this calling, they're like, oh, and I've made, you know, hundreds of millions of dollars. And now it's time for me to give back. So they actually started off as members. And now they've converted over to being strategist within our organization as well. It what's
so brilliant about this is that they know the journey. But yet, there's zero judgment in this is what I am so grateful, and blessed to talk about is that you can be in a space where people can co elevate and grow without measuring wallets, bank accounts, lifestyles, happy that all but this looks very robust. And I go, it's actually ridiculously affordable. For seriously $2,500 A month someone can join and have their business scrubbed, looked at get personal strategizing, and consulting.
And yet, not just in one facet of their life in all facets of their life.
And some people would, and I'm sure you've heard this, but it when it feels like some people could say, oh, this sounds like a cult.
Right? And you know what? It bless you for saying that? I came from one of those environments? Yes, yes. For many years, and and with all due respect, the first four letters in the world well in culture, because that's when you go, Oh, we're cultivating a culture. And I go, Well, yes, the first four
letters are called. And so that's not by happenstance, the other side of it is, is that I would say, I believe that most people are looking and one of the top human needs that we have both six human needs, essential needs essential air, water, food, shelter, love and connection. Human beings need to
be connected. In fact, any pediatric nurse will tell you that if a child is not loved within the first five minutes of birth, then it's called failure to thrive syndrome, they will literally expire, they will they will not, we have this essence and need that spark. In the six human needs, we have a need for I'll say certainty. So security, variety, or uncertainty, significance, love and connection, growth and
contribution. And the last two being spiritual, the only really metric that crossover to both in the needs is loving connection, and is something that's so systemic to who we are. So why do I go there? We decided that there were three tenants that needed to be met, in order for y VL. To exist, one, that it always had to be value add, it always needed to be able to listen to his community and give the value that people needed,
not what people wanted. There's a huge difference. I agree. The second part was is that we made it where if you were in relationship, that your spouse could go on any of the trips with you, it was not a Oh, you're gonna grow and then try and go back home and try and explain to someone and I'm very specific with my language, I'm saying going back home, because that's what most people did is they would go and elevated and then go back home and try and explain it to their spouse through there.
I've done it. I know it doesn't work.
Like, this is so painful. And I actually had someone call me out on this a couple weeks ago in the chat, I have to disagree, brother. And I said, Okay, great. We'll call him John said, John, if you want to flight training, intensive flight training for four days, four days, you're ready to go ahead and take your family out. Solo flying, no issue. You're good to go. He goes, No, no, no, no. I said, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. But you just told me that you he goes, Well, I'm not
crazy. And I go, Well, is it not crazy to go ahead and take the emotional values of your family, their outcomes, their goals, their dreams and aspirations? And now you're trying to Guru them when you're not done cooking? And he goes, Wow, he goes that flight analogy and I go, you're still stuck on the flight analogy. I said, Great. I said, so would you be able to teach your wife to sit next to you, and now be the pilot as you
co pilot because you're so diverse. And you've gone through every experience of turbulence and engine failure and you go no, no, timeout, dude, you're scaring me and I go good. Because here's the ticket. It's the journey. And when you get to grow together, the family that strives together thrives together, you're gonna be hearing the exact same information when you get back to the room at night and you're comparing notes. It's like, oh my gosh, we're co elevating.
We're growing. We're getting these distinctions by trusted people.
Mm hmm.
It's like oh, so second. This is
a little of a sigh. a turn. But I noticed on your website that you had Jim quick as a speaker. Yes. fascinates me. Oh, yeah. So I was just curious in your case,
that when you brought his name up, Jim is someone I absolutely adore. He is He epitomizes what it is to meet physiological challenges and mental challenges, and yet come away with easy, actionable information that can provide insights and distinctions. And so all three of my children have read his books, they have done his his homework assignments, his home play, as we call it. And it's been brilliant. Jim, is, I won't call him a friend, I will just say he's a dear
console to our community. And we're gonna have him back again. In fact, he's, I believe I'm trying to get him scheduled for the end of the year. What I love about him is that when you start to understand the physiological manifestations as to how your brain works, it's kind of like knowing how your car works. You don't move a lever over here and go, Oh, I'm making a turn signal, you're gonna Wait, isn't that on this side? And they go, Oh, semantics, and I go, No, it's like, you pull this lever,
you get a different action. That's called the shift. You know? That's the shifter. So why do I go there? To your point, Jim is one of those folks, that is so real. And I can say this, and it's a point of contention that I'm so proud of. We have had events where our speakers are now members of our community.
Hmm, that doesn't happen very often. No, that says a lot for sure.
It does to us, and that there's that trust in that integration. And they play full out just like everyone else. So someone was asked me they go, oh, so if I'm a speaker at one of your events, Chuck, How's it different? I said, Well, there's a requirement, you get your your, you know, your speaker's fee, and you and your entourage, we fly you out. First class, we take care of you said, but we also have a demand that oh, that sounds drastic. And I said, I hope so. And that is we need to
get to know you. So you are going to come to dinner with us. You're going to come play with us, you're going to be partake of the entire event. And you're going to be a participant when you're not on stage. They're like, Shut the front door or like no, come on and play with the rest of us. It has been so beautiful Janice, to see these people who normally are held way up on high, and they fly in, they fly out, they get in to get out, you know, they do a gig. Yeah. And we're like, No, you're
here for an event. You're here for an experience.
I love that. I love that. Because it you know, it's funny, you just made me think of something that we put these, the, I'll call it celebrity we put people on a pedestal. They're just, they're just people, they, you know, they maybe have lucked out, they'd been born under a lucky star or they work damn hard to get where they where they are. Or they have some you know, they just hit the market at the right time, whatever it was. They're just people. And if if we treat
them that way, then I think they appreciate that. They used to remember when my older daughter was a baby, my parents lived in Beverly Hills. And we used to go down there just before Christmas, and we wheeled stroller through the streets of Beverly Hills. And we'd be looking for celebrities, you know, just for fun, but I would never like you know, gawk at
them. Or, you know, I would smile and you know, sometimes it feels like you know them because you come across someone that that you know, from the screen or the television or whatever. But when they when they stopped me because my little girl in my stroller was so cute and said something to me. It was just like, I wasn't going to say oh my god, you're so and so you know, and I'm just act like normal. And you go out to eat. And the next table was someone famous, you know, you just have
to deal with it. It bring everything down to a people level. And so I love that that's what you were talking about, is not keeping them on a pedestal and allowing everything to flow, which is I think it's really it's really cool.
Well, it brings us to the last point out of the three points and that was there is no guru. There is no one person who's more important than this community than anyone else are revered. From our event planners to our see oh to my business partners and co founders of why VL to every member of the community. We put out polls and we ask where do you want to go? What do you want to experience? Who would you love to hear from and these are the aspirational people that we
elicit and really work to bring into the environment. But here's the interesting part. Oftentimes we go Oh, could you get Oprah? Oh, could you get to, you know, Jay Shetty or or Joe Rogan? Or it's like, okay, why? Yeah. Why do they go? Oh, because their insights, their distinctions, I go, okay, to your point, celebrity. And we go, what if there were just a human being who's worked really hard? Who has so many distinctions and in fact, the sound bites that you're hearing from some of
those names they're taking from these people? Because they're that elevated? I go, why would we get it straight from the horse's mouth? And they're like, God, Oh, why wouldn't we are like, well, there you go.
So, um, so if if people join your community, then it's not all about events, though. You do work with people individually or with family. And then you do community events and trips and things like that. So wants to go goes,
right. So we actually have four trips a year. We're getting back next week. Actually starting the 28th will be in Santa Fe for our faith trip. And we have spent Alana Newsom, who is an energy worker and faith leader, we have Dr. Michael Beckwith, who's coming Reverend Beckwith Oh, yeah. So he's actually our keynote speaker. And he'll be hanging out with us and having fun and then one of my associates Preston Brown, my entrepreneur, yeah. But he is so faith driven.
And and it's one of those modalities where you go, okay, great. So once a quarter, every 90 days, you have an opportunity to immerse yourself in different lessons, learnings, environments, meals, outings, experiences. We just got back from Rwanda, and we did a two day excursion two days out with the mountain gorillas of Rwanda. And oh, I have after I'll send you a video, Janice, it will
is that where cuz we're talking about celebrity is that where Elon has the thing the thing on on Entertainment Tonight yesterday, that's why I thought of it. Their sanctuary isn't it for Yeah,
we were right there we went to her the sanctuary, we checked it all out. And Diane Fauci and, and we went through the entire expos a and it's what I will say is interest eight, it was never something that was on my bucket list, it would have been on my bucket list, so I could check it off. Because it was, it was where I would have imagined when I was a little kid
growing up. As you know, I was born in Japan, my dad's in the military, and my mom was a teacher in Japan, and coming over to the states and going, Wow, you can be and live and have every experience you've ever desired in life.
It only requires one thing faith
faith that you deserve it faith that the world is your oyster, and if you choose to not no longer play small, and trust yourself, and we all go through the three levels of change, we fake it till we make it we face it till we make it and then we fake it till we make it
just stop there for a second and and let me ask you, because I know that you you started out in the world of personal development and that was that was a big part of of your world, I think for a long time. And so with the big guru
and and you were on the stage with them and everything. And I have to think back to you know, I've had experience with personal development courses and the big stage and everybody we're all wrong and exactly the stories you were telling me about coming back and kind of D What do you call it when you know when you have to you have to decompress and you know and get come back to Earth and then all of a sudden you've it's not as clear as it was when you were there and you know you put the
book on the shelf like you said that kind of thing. So but but having been immersed in that for so many years, I think Which way did you go did it did did all of that really get inside you to make you get to where you are now and what you're offering which is a better version of you think a better version a different version, a new a new entity of personal development, or do you get did you get what's the word? Kind of jaded by what you saw with people?
The answer's yes. Oh, let me explain. So part of it is, is I was involved in environment for about 22 years and a long time. It is a long time and my functionality within that space was in servant leadership. So what do we mean by that, as someone who goes up through the ranks, you're literally a volunteer, that they will compensate by putting you up in a hotel, giving you a stipend for food, and flying you in. And but for that, you're on between 20 and 22 hours a day.
And so literally, you're putting in two full workdays. Let me rephrase that. I don't know if everyone else did. I know what I was doing.
Staff, you were volunteer? That is correct. And why I knew people who did that kind of thing. Okay. Yeah. Okay. So
then you get invited to become part of what I will call their leadership team and their trainer body. And it's all beautiful. I mean, the intention is great. The challenge becomes when you start to realize that everything has a discretionary value. So what do I mean by that? If I donate an hour of my time, and this is where it gets a little sketchy for people, Janice, most people don't know what they're worth an
hour. Even in their businesses, they have no clue, right? And so but they do know this, if they left for two weeks and came back like, oh, eBay, oh my gosh, oh, there's so much going on. Oh, this is crazy. Oh, you know, I need a vacation from my vacation. And why do I go there, I started realizing that the currency that I was paying in was me. Skill set time intention. I spent 22 years cultivating
this dream. Well, being away,
contributing and serving towards it. Yeah. But at the same token, sharpening me because metal sharpens metal. So when I started looking at it going skill sets were sharp and improved. And there was a reason why they trust you in that environment. Where it got sketchy was when I decided to no longer dim my light when I actually started to listen and be very clear that all the things that were being said from
stage, apply to everybody else, but not me. So the minute I decided to stop playing small the minute I started to co elevate myself, the minute I started to collaborate with other people who were like minded and like hearted, my life took a different trajectory. And I was asked, well, I will be quite blunt about this. My status was revoked. And it was like seeing
Are you saying that, that in all the time that you did all of that volunteers, servant leadership that you were perhaps searching and feeling less than, in a way? Well,
filling up on one level. So the world has anyone who knows me knows I'm a love bug, like I love helping people move through it grow through what they're going through. And on the other side of that, so that's why the Lord the universe, put me on this planet was to help people and I go, okay, so does that mean that you have to be impoverished to do it? Does that mean that you have to give up the rest of your
income stream in order to do this, right? The average person that for a while, while I listen, I was living it because I had a challenge. Bless you, I had a challenge. And the challenge was, it was beautiful thing. I was flattered by it. I was invited to about 13 events a year. And that was actually running programs and helping in in some instance speaking on stage and then opening up and you know, getting 15,000 people stayed induced to, you know, be ready to for an event. And so it
was very flattering. But it wasn't about me it was about being in service. And where it started to take a toll was I was like, uh, my wife's not here. She's at home. My kids aren't here. They're at home. Anyone who's ever met me knows I'm a servant leader. But they also know I'm a family man first. And so I started realizing that I was giving up more and more and more and not living congruently here I am telling other people that my family and I deserve the best of me and not what's left
of me. And what are they getting? What's left of me? It's like, oh, oh, this is not congruent. Something, you know, I got it. I have to take out the garbage. But I'm sorry, I lost your volume for some reason.
There you go. So as soon as the light bulb went on for you, and things got it, it shifted and then everything changed because you ended up having to leave and start things differently for yourself and you went into I think executive search at that time, right? Well, we
did. So what happened was is that we actually started EY BL first we actually, we did and what happened was his my two partners in crime we got together. And they asked me this very poignant question. They said, Who do you need to be? And I was like, What do you mean? I am who I am they know who you have aspirations. Are you fulfilled living at this level? And I was like, well, it meets some of my needs, but not all of
my needs. And they go, Well, what would need to shift they go, they'll, if you could dream and develop this, what would it look like? And exactly what I described you with Ydl? Yeah, just services, the environment, the people, the camaraderie, and this was an important facet to that we cap it at 100 members. Now that means that the member and then they can have their spouse so roughly 200 People in this environment? Why is that important? We started to see some other environments that had
oh my gosh, 700 1000 people? Well, number one, no one can put on an event where you get to have that many people consistently. Number two, it starts to become very cliquey. The people with the most money are hate it they got it was that the only thing I said no, that the you know, the fakers. So they're making it they have a tendency to collaborate together. And it said, I just said, so what we started looking
at was how do we instill a sense of community. And we said by number one, everyone goes through an interview process, it doesn't make a difference if you can afford the membership or not. Number two, we're going to tell you, if it's worth it for you. We have an initial call, we say, what do you need? How do you need to feel most often? And we start to go down that road. And then we started to see okay, well, we can see why this is
uncomfortable. We can see why the kids that you brought in the business and generational you know, communication gaps, and yada yada, yada and all of a sudden it's like, holy smokes. And quite frankly, Janice, we've had people who've we've turned away from the environment that they wanted to come in in illicit solicit grandstand. And we're like going, this is not the space for you.
Yeah, view, is it global.
It is global. We, we initially start off in cottonelle. United States, and now we have members that are overseas as well. And, and it's growing through word of mouth referral, we have not marketed online, we have not put this out and prognosticated to everyone. And there's a reason for that, too. We actually believe that like attracts like, and that when you're resonating a certain frequency, people come to you, it has been amazing to see the people that have gone, you know,
that is so different. Because they've been involved with so many different like my shoe you, you've called in so many different environments. And there's a formula for all say, creating codependency. Yeah, yeah, that's good point. Yeah. And we have chosen to eliminate codependency and cultivate community.
So I'm going to shift again, because we have to wrap up a little bit. But, but But it's interesting, and I find what you're doing fascinating. And and I because I'm such a person that loves people and relationships, I can see the value of something like this. Is there a just out of curiosity? Is there an age preference that seems to happen? No.
Oh, is that that's been the crazy part. In fact, we have a couple of different programs, we actually have a weekly or a monthly program, which is called the seventh degree, which is for aspirational business folks who are just starting off in their businesses. And when you remember why well you get everything. So that's that's one
thing. The other thing is we do a weekly speaker spotlight, we just had one this morning, and we use those four pillars of focal information to bring on different people to share insights, distinctions and faith, family fitness and finance. And those are attended as well by the community. For us, it's about sharing information that can move everyone forward. But
it but it's not like some elder older people, some younger people or in disease are a blended
community. We have folks that have newborns we have folks that have great grandkids. Okay. Okay. That's cool. That's the brain trust, because you're getting distinctions now.
Yeah. So I like to ask my my, my guests one question. And we'll wrap up, maybe with one more little one after that. And that is about my favorite word curiosity. So I think I'm curious So it is kind of a cornerstone for me. And I'd like to know two things. One, do you think it's innate? Or learned? And part two, what are you most curious about these days?
Thank you. Good, brilliant question. By the way, I believe that we all have an innate curiosity, that we, by our very nature, have been given the grace and gift of having these different modalities of kinesthetic, auditory, visual, olfactory, and gustatory. And these are all to feed our sensory experience. But as human beings that are driven by emotions and feelings, everything that we do, everything we experience is to elicit emotions. And so my focus
now is really understanding. And in point of fact, I don't ask people how they're doing. When you play this back, you'll see if we've even if it came up in this conversation, as people are feeling. And the difference in the distinction in a word is that when you ask someone how they're doing, you're gonna get a cognitive response, right? Feeling, it's really going to the core essence of who they are and where they're living at that time. When I think one
more piece to that would be, as well wait to hear what they actually say and listen to their answer. To one of the, and because often, you know, when someone asks that question of you either question, how are you doing? Or how are you feeling? And you actually answer them? They don't know what to do with that. No, right. So there you go. Okay. And so what are you curious about these days?
You know, I am curious about it. I've been asked to write a book on this. So we'll see if this actually comes to fruition. Modern masculinity.
Oh, interesting. Okay. Yeah, I can see that for you.
Feminine perspective. Yes. Oh, to ask your father as an example, who his role models were as far as masculine and masculinity. He might say Spencer, Tracy Humphrey Bogart, you know, Rock Hudson, before he came out after he came out. If I were to ask my father in his generation, he might go Tom Selleck. Sylvester Stallone, you know, Rocky Balboa? Who else? Are some of the athletes at the time to like
Ross Garvey, Simpson? Oh, yeah.
Those were the star Joe name at the time. My generation is kind of a strange one. Because there's, I say when you look at masculinity, like we grew up during the time of action movies, and so you go John Claude Van Damme. Arnold Schwarzenegger,
Vin Diesel. Well, he has I guess he's worn out. Yeah.
Right. Or at the time because it was so revolutionary, like Baywatch. So David Hasselhoff and you're like God, like really as like a when it first came out, everyone was glued to the television set. Especially when he was a night writer. So why do I go there for my son? Millennials xennials. Look at it from the standpoint of worthy causes. And they go Oh, Ilan, Maya and Rannells. Yeah. The people that are influencing and changing the world and taking mammoth action,
and it's like, and they're doing their forces for good. It's not just the money that comes with it. And what they're seeing is that with worthy causes, you can make a ton of money. You know, who takes on the automotive industry? Well, Elon, and by the way, NASA at the same time. Yeah. Okay.
Yeah, he's an he's an enigma, though. Really? He is.
You really is. And? And that's where you go? Is he insane? Or ingenious? Yeah, I know. I go. Probably a little.
Yeah, exactly. A bit of both. Yeah. So lots of fun, we could can carry on this conversation for a long time. So I like that idea of that book. I think it's interesting. It's funny, I thought you were gonna say that one of their role models was somebody who had like, transitioned or something, because that's happening now to all the time, right, you know, so who knows? And, and there's some actually really interesting role models there, too, you know, yeah. So we'll, we'll save
that for another time. So thank you. Thank you so much for being on the show. Thank you for sharing about you and your community. And I guess one last thought, What would you like to leave with my audience as maybe it could be a business thought or just, you know, philosophical thought for
a prefer to go philosophical and that is, be a little kinder to yourself today. In the pursuit of change and self improvement, we oftentimes are finding fault so that way we can move towards something that we Can Fix. And I'll just
propose, what if you're not broken? What if by you just living in this beautiful space of who you are, and honoring those around you and yourself, that you can grow, to where you deserve the best of you, and so as your family and not what's left to view it's something that changed my life about 20 years ago. And I can tell you, that when it comes up, and I get Uber busy, and we all do, slow down, just slow down, take a moment and breathe. And ask yourself how you need to feel most often
today. And dedicate your time and your intention to that for just that day and see how you feel at the end of the day.
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