Hello, everyone, and welcome to this week's edition of relationships rule. My guest this week is Amy Shaw drauf. Welcome to the show, Amy.
Thank you, Janice for having me.
My pleasure. Amy is one of from what I understand, because I don't live there, but one of the most recognizable on air personalities and has the most recognizable laugh in the Dallas Fort Worth area, one of
them at least
been an award winning radio host in North Texas for 20 years. Wow. That's amazing. First, you were in news, correct.
I was in news for a very long time. And then I made the switch to being a show host to be a morning show host.
So you're the morning show host with your partner, Dave, Dave, and Amy on 570, K, Li F
crime 70k. Ally up and down
in Dallas, okay. And I'm going to stop there for a minute because I was thinking when I was going to be talking to you, I'm going to interview a radio talk show host who does nothing but ask questions of people that Oh, my goodness, how am I going to do this? Because it's, it's like, I started to have this vision of you on the radio show that you have a I
don't know what they call it in your business. But I know there's like I picture a, a binder that the producer has, and they're all segmented and into what you're doing any segment of the show. And that you have, you have to keep a strict timeframe on what you do. But you have some leeway as to how you do it. Am I right or wrong?
Well, you're partly right, we do have strict time restraints, some of our segments are shorter than others, they can range from the new segment, which is four and a half to five minutes to a talk segment, that may be three to eight minutes, depending on where we are in the hour, we don't have a binder from our producer, we do have, we do have a rundown from our producer, which kind of has each segment listed out in which
stories we're going to do in each segment. But we really keep everything in our computer in the program that we use in the news program that we use. And that's what we follow as we move through the morning. And that's all stuff that my co host and I have found the night before, because we do a lot of research the night before. And then we call it working it up for that morning. So we can discuss it, we highlight the interesting
parts, we talked about it off the air. So we know maybe how to start and how to get out of it segment, because that's very important is how to start it. Because you want to make it interesting for the listener. And then also you need to know where you're going to get out of it as well. So you can move on to the next segment.
So you know that I'm a LinkedIn trainer and I talk about when I'm crafting a LinkedIn summary or about section for a client, I always say you want to start with a hook, and then write exactly what you're talking about. It is
exactly what we're talking about.
Although you would have a lot more experience at it than I do. So I'm just fascinated because, you know, I've listened to I listened to talk radio, I have open ears. And now I listen to podcasts a lot of the time. And similar but not the live feature, obviously. So before I get into your new world, I just wanted to ask a few questions about are the
radio work world? So is it less stressful or more stressful dealing with a partner and doing, you know, human interest in as well as some news than doing all that news that you did? You are a news anchor, right?
Yes, I like it better because we cover a lot more topics and my co anchor and I get along really well. He's, gosh, he's almost 20 years older than I am. And yet we have so much fun and a lot in common. And we learn a lot from each other. We don't always agree. Different perspectives, right? Yeah, a lot of times we do agree, but sometimes we don't. And other times, we listen to each other's perspective. And then I may change my mind and say you know what, Dave, you
were right. I was wrong at the beginning. And then I have a you know, a new, a new way of thinking about something that we've been talking about. We have a lot of fun. We have a lot of laughs We do a lot of, you know, horrible stories, because there's just a lot of horrible news that's going on right now.
We do a lot of tough stories. But we do a lot of talkers. And that stuff that people would be interested in and finding out more information about and that's what we really love to do because we get to sort of get into the the weeds so to speak of some of those stories.
Can you give me an example of one of those Stories. That was
an example of one of those stories I'm trying to think from this morning. Unfortunately, a lot of times we do so much stuff that when I get off the air, I don't even remember what we did. Isn't that weird?
No. So that was tough to ask me that I understood as
we do so many things. Let's just like I could read the weather all day long. And then I asked my husband, it's gonna rain today.
Brilliant. So Oh, my next question went out of my head because Okay, so, Joe, do you have callers call in on your show? No, we don't know. Okay. So you're on air the whole time. Okay, so I do know, I read somewhere that your daughter went into the family business?
Yes, yes. Reporter as well. Right. All right. Yes. He's a political reporter for the CBS affiliate in Dallas. And our younger daughter is now a sports anchor reporter in Tucson, Arizona. This is her second job. So yes, she went in the family business and our younger daughter wanted nothing to do with it. And is a sophomore going to be a junior at the University of Arizona and she's studying education. So she doesn't want any part of the family business. But we need the
teacher. So it's Oh, yeah. And she is so good with the kids. It's unbelievable. She's gonna be an awesome teacher.
That was my first life. I was a teacher. Oh, yeah. Yeah, yeah. But I think it's important that we still have good people going into teaching, but I love that your daughter is and she she wanted sports, right? She was Oh,
yeah. No, yeah, she wanted sports. She went to Syracuse to went to Newhouse School, just like my husband and I did. And just has a passion for everything football. I mean, all sports, but she loves football, both college and professional.
Well, there's big space out there. I just saw Erin Andrews just had a baby. Oh, yeah, I saw. Yeah. Okay, so you are embarking or have just embarked on a new side gig, new career, whatever you want to call it? I know that the radio show probably takes up a lot of your time. I know. It's early morning. But you said that you do research it as well, later in the day? Correct. So yeah, we
do, I do. Usually around four or five o'clock, we do our research, because that's when most of the stories that would be pertinent for the next morning have cleared. I mean, sometimes there's breaking news overnight. But usually by for Friday, five o'clock, we can kind of figure out what we want to do for the next morning. So that's the time that I spend there. But both my kids are out of the house. So I really have
between 10am and four or 5pm, to do whatever I want. So I started helping business owners and other clients get their stories out and tell their stories, because I am a storyteller. And that's what I've done on the radio for 35 years. And I'm really a quick study at learning someone's business, and be able to digest that information and then come up with their story, the business owners story. There are so many stories, there are customer stories, there are employees stories, and a lot of
people have trouble nailing that down. And that's what that's one of the things that I'm here to do in addition to writing and content creation.
So those things make me think of, okay, you're a copywriter a copy for someone's having their website done and grant the copy done. So that's where it fits in. Or maybe they're, they need their, their, their LinkedIn profile written, or they need their
bio written find website, or the about us section for their website, or, you know, I do a lot of ghost writing for some medical writing companies, where I would actually write the doctors website, and the intense medical information. So I do that
does not sound sexy to me.
I do writing for attorneys. So basically, anything that has to be written, yeah, I can do.
So what's your favorite part of that? How did you see like, because you could love writing and still not wanting to do it as a business. So how did you see that it was something that would excite you to do
well, I enjoy it. I enjoy the challenge of crafting something I enjoy getting something down on I would say on the page, but I do it. I type on my computer and moving it around. Yeah, it's like a puzzle to me. And it's fun, and I especially love the bios, because I get to interview the
people first. That's a big thing for me. I don't just take your resume or your LinkedIn profile and do it from that I actually set up an appointment with you and interview you and I'm going to ask you questions that you probably have never been asked before because That's just me. And I'm very inquisitive. And I love asking people things, and I'm gonna draw things out of people, and then be able to craft their bio, and they just come out wonderful. And I really, really enjoy that part
of it. I've been having a lot of fun with that.
Oh, that's good. That's good. Because I love talking to people and pulling things out of them. And quite often I hear people say to me, that was really intuitive. I, how did you even think that, but see, I couldn't put it in writing, I would just like to talk to them about it. That's why I'd cast and not writing a book.
I don't know that I have a book in me. You know, I really don't, especially a biography. I don't think so. But I like I'm really good at writing and other people's voices too. Like blogs, I can write in other people's tone of voice. And that's hard to do.
It is very hard to do. Very hard to do, I have to say. So wait, what was I gonna say? Something you said made me go off. And then I have a voice. So Amy, you talked about you didn't think you had a book in you. But I bet with all the stories that you've heard over the years and the the experiences that you've had being on the radio that was and you and you have probably a great sense of humor. That's what I'm sensing already from you that I bet you've got to Virginia that even though
I have a few stories, my favorite story, can I tell you my favorite story was when I was working in Orlando, Florida, and I was the midday anchor for the am station. But I did Morning News. And I was sort of the co host of the Country Music Station. Before I went to do my midday news on the am station. And there was a time we didn't have a permanent host. So we would bring in all these country music stars. So I met
you name it. I've met them. I've done a show with them. I mean from Brad Paisley to I don't even I can't even remember the mall that I've co hosted with. So one of the big co hosts who came in was Kenny Rogers. Yes. And he has since passed away, obviously. But this was 20. I want to say it was 20 years ago. And he came in and he's such a he was such a short man, because I expected he was going to be much taller than he was. And it was after he had had his plastic surgery. So of course, he looked
a lot different than he did before that time. And so we hosted the show with him. And for some reason I asked him to sing I'll Island in the Sky, you know, in the stream islands, Islands in the Stream. Thank you that he sang with Dolly Parton. And he wrote, yeah, and he's like, come sing with me. So I start singing with him and forget the words. Okay, and I was so bad.
That was putting you on the spot,
though. Wow. And then and then he signed, he was promoting a book that he had at the time. And I still have the book. And he signed it. And he said, Dear Amy always remember our song, Kenny Rogers. And he signed it. And it was funny because I was looking through some stuff a few weeks ago. And I found it and it just reminded me of that memory. But that was one of the fun stories of someone really famous that I met and had a great interaction with.
So you've been around the country in different markets, correct? Yeah. So how long have you been in Dallas?
20 years,
you've been there 20 years. Because I know here there was, in fact, he just died actually was there was this disc jockey who kind of was when I was a kid. And he you know, we're moved his way all the way up. To set through all the ages, I think he was the young DJ that introduced the Beatles when they came to Vancouver. And that goes all the way through. And he was
a legend in his time, basically here. And there's not that many that have a long career in one place and different stations and whatever, as the markets have changed, but it's pretty special to to 20 years in one one mark and I was
Yeah, that's really unusual these days. Yeah, there are a lot of people on the other am station where I work at who have been there 30 years 40 years. Time. Yeah, yeah. But people move around a lot, especially in TV. And my husband has been in TV here 20 years too. So that's rare.
Yeah. And well, they're not the kind of jobs where you get like a month's notice either do you you're like you're Here today gone tomorrow,
ultimately depends on your contract situation and things like that.
So I'm being bit naive around that. So with your storytelling, gift which, which is evident? What's your who's your most wanted client? Who do you love to work with? What? Like, is it an industry? Is it a? Is it male versus female? Is it young versus old? Is it the lawyers and the doctors? Or is it the creative people? Or do you, you know, do you have a favorite?
It's, it's really I love working one on one with people. And I love that moment that someone says to me, oh, my gosh, how do you do that? How do you fit pull my story out of me and figure that out, I'm too close to it. A lot of times, you're just too close to your own story. So you can't see it. It's staring you in the face. And you're just too close to it. And it takes an outsider, someone like me to be able to come in and talk to you and discuss with you and figure out
what your story should be. And then figure out what your talking point should be, and how you should organize it all and how you should put it on your website, how you should put it on social media. And if you you know, are invited to do a radio show or a TV show how you should sell yourself in that medium?
That's a good one. That's a really good one. Because how is it different? So is it different on radio than something that's in print, obviously, but it is, it is very different meetings I talked about earlier, and said I'm sorry, was it about not burying the lede as
well, it's that too. But in in radio, you may have a three or four minute interview, and there's no video, it's all audio. A lot of times when you call in to a radio show, it's a different experience, because you have to listen over the phone. And that's, that's hard for some people to concentrate. versus being in studio, that's a different experience to also being on television is a different experience, you know, you need to know where to look
and, and you need to dress correctly. And you may have a longer time to discuss topics on TV than you do on the radio. And then in a podcast, something like this is so different than radio, because it's so much more long form. And you can go into much more detail than you can on the radio where you have to be very brief and make your points quickly.
Mm hmm. So I've actually had a few people on my podcast who talk about story in different ways. The thing today seems to be not just so much telling your own stories, but being able to tell stories as part of your content on social media. Have you come across that? Do you work with people on that at all?
Yeah, because you have customer stories, people that interact with your product, your product, tells a story to write, in many ways. And so you can develop a story around your product, you have employees stories, and those are wonderful stories of you know, why does someone work for you. A lot of times, there's a backstory, on why someone works for you, or how long they they've been there. The stories are really
endless that people can use. And once you create those stories, maybe through the written or word or audio or video, then you can cut those up and use them endlessly on your social media and your various platforms.
Okay, so I'm just starting, I'm actually just getting that because I finally have a rhythm with my email news letter that I'm sending out to my list. And I'm trying very hard to think of a story to put in each week. But it doesn't come naturally to me. And so what advice would you have. So, for example, I was so proud of myself because I was able to, to take a story a couple of weeks ago, of an experience that I had with my little granddaughter, where we took her down to the
park and she wanted to go to the swings in the slides. But on the way there was this huge mound of sand in the parking lot while she couldn't resist that because she loves to climb and play in dirt and whatever and so beeline for the pile of sand off she was
for another 20 minutes playing there. And I liked and that finally told that story and then likened it to a business piece around being in the moment and going with the flow kind of thing rather than just having to do what you set out to perfect, but I don't do that often enough and like what what kind of things do you have to open up in your mind to be able to do those things? You know what I'm saying?
I think you need to To be open up to the fact that and I always like to say that life for me is show prep. Okay, I go about my everyday life. Yeah. And every, every experience that I have, in the back of my mind, I think to myself, is this a usable moment for me on the air? And you can do a similar thing and say, Is this a usable moment for me? And how can I connect it to something in my business and
turn it into a story? For my newsletter? Yeah, as we pass so many stories, hundreds of stories every single day, and you don't even know it, because you're intuitively not aware to it. And once you start developing awareness to that,
I should write them down. When they write them down, keep
a notebook with you write them down, like the experience that you had with your granddaughter. I mean, that
is perfect. Yeah, that was probably I was pretty proud of myself, because I need it. You know, it worked. And in fact, I've had young man on my show, who saw it, who, that's what he teaches people. And he and he critiqued me on it. And it was great, because it was, it was a good example. And now I just have to do those more often. But I use examples
all the time on our on our radio show of things that happened to me throughout the day, and so does my co host, whether it's at the grocery store, or picking up the kids or whatever has happened over the years. And they turn out to be the best bits, because a lot of people can relate to them because they've had similar experiences.
Yeah. And it's but when they come to you naturally, when you're on the air, that's, that's brilliant to like, be able to draw from those things. And I suppose, is it easier when you're working with a partner, or a harder because I would imagine that would feed you would feed each other? I think
it's easier because we feed off of each other. And my partner and I have been working together for 11 years. So we can kind of we know each other's cadences. And we know when one of us can start talking. And the other one needs to stop talking. And sometimes we talk over each other. But that's a normal conversation. A lot of times people talk over each other, right. So it's okay, I used to have we used to have some people that would critique us and say, well, you're talking
over each other. But that's part of that's part of life and part of our conversation. So I think that's natural. And I think it makes us more real. And that's what we're all about is being authentic.
I love that word. I'm totally that way. Exactly. So speaking of being authentic, actually, I wanted to ask this question, which I don't know if I have, I don't know if you can answer this question or whether you would answer this question. It's not even about you. It's about I thought about your
husband, you said is a political reporter. Correct? On a TV channel, CBS, when you are reporting on a certain station, whether it's radio or television, do you have to have the same views as that station?
No, I mean, he went, he's a political reporter. So to him, when people don't know, where he stands on an issue, then he's done his job repairing. Okay, so he's middle of the road, and he talks to both sides on it. Okay. And, you know, he is very old school that way. And when I was doing news, I'm old school that way to a little different now where I'm more of a host, and I can give more of my opinions. But, you know, it's sometimes they're, they they lean more
conservative, and sometimes they leave more democratic. You know, it's just like anything else.
I was just curious, because, you know, we know with the big, the big cable networks, like, you
know, with Fox and CNN and you know, where MSNBC are coming from, but I think it's different at the local level, due to local level isn't really like that.
Okay. Okay. Very cool. So what would you say? Is your Can you think of the most exciting experience or life changing experience you had on radio? Life changing?
Wow.
For someone you really had always wanted to meet, and it happened or
see, I'm not a big, like, I don't stars don't.
I don't know. You're not starstruck.
I'm not starstruck. And I've interviewed so many people. That's
why you're not starstruck. I like that.
I'm like Barbara Walters, and Diane Sawyer and Dan Rather, and I make all those people I've interviewed and then presidents I've interviewed Jimmy Carter, and
I'm trying to think so when you're doing those interviews, you're going to tell me there was no sense of or a Um,
maybe with maybe with Barbara Walters and Diane Sawyer. Yes, they were new people. Yeah, exactly a little bit of that. And maybe I'm a little nervous, you know, but I always tried to have fun with it and do my research ahead of time. So I know what I'm talking about.
Yeah, I remember back in, when my parents lived in California, and they lived right in the heart of Beverly Hills, and you couldn't go out on the street without somebody that you recognize walking by. And I remember back in those days being very cool about it and not being starstruck because they're just people. They're just people just like, you know,
and, and to respect that of people. But there were the odd there was the odd time when I go, Oh, my God, oh, my God, there's John Travolta like, you know, back in the day when I was very heart throbbing, or whatever. But you know what, I get it. So that's wonderful that but to have interviewed some of those people, though, that's pretty cool. Like, when you're interviewing one of the best interviewers in the world, what do you say to them? How do you why do you ask them?
Right? It's a little nerve wracking sometimes, a lot of times they come on and they're promoting something. They're promoting a show or they're promoting a book. I've talked to Katie Couric, she was promoting her book, trying to think of some of the other people that I've talked to who are promoting books. One of the judge not Wynonna Judd. But who's the who's the daughter? Isn't why No, nine?
Ashley? We're known as the older daughter. Yeah.
Why? No, no. Yeah, I talked to her. I think I've talked to Ashley too. And and a whole bunch of country stars. I mean, yeah,
of course, from what you said, so fun. So if someone's coming to work with you on their story. What would you say? Like, do they need to bring it usually for their for their, their website, or their book, the writing the beginning of their book or something like that,
can be for the beginning of a book, it could be they need, they need the pitch for their book, because they don't know how to pitch it. It could be the story for your website, because a lot of a lot of websites have the about us
section. And if you look through companies about us sections, a lot of times their stories of how the company was created the story of the founders, and almost picture essays, you know, with pictures or maybe video and, you know, there's there's so many different ways that you can do it.
So you like to play pickleball? I do. I wish that it started before I wreck my knee because I think I would love playing pickleball I
haven't played in a few weeks because it's been hot and over 100 degrees here. And there's an inside court, but I haven't gone yet. And we have an outside court in our development. And also in their summer they play at like seven in the morning and I'm on the radio so I can't play. Although I did get the email today that they were it was raining this morning. So the ladies, we have this group me chat. And the ladies, we're going to play it at like four o'clock. So maybe I
can get out there at four and play a little but it's fun. And I'm not are truly athletic person. And I honestly I do not like to play tennis. But I'm a good ping pong player. And it's a cross between ping pong, tennis and badminton. And so I've just I've taken a liking to it. And it's a great social activity. And I've met a non a lot of nice ladies and gents playing. And it's been fun.
That's great. That's awesome. So I like to ask my guests a couple of questions off the off of the topic. And one of them is Do you mostly now? Are you a reader, a listener? Or a viewer? So do you read books like real books? Do you listen to books? Or podcasts? Or do you watch videos mostly,
or to my I'm part of a book club in my neighborhood. So I don't read as much as I used to read but I'm part of the book club now. So I'm reading a book a month. So I feel like I'm getting back into that. So that's good. I watch a lot of Netflix. I don't watch regular TV. I only watch Netflix or Amazon Prime or something like that. And I do not consume podcasts. I'm really sort of quirky that way and I don't know why. But I've never gotten into it and maybe it's because I'm on
the radio. You know when you've talked for four hours a day and then you come home and a lot of times don't feel like talking and that's hard for people to understand. But By talking and listening on the radio, no, I don't right now, but I'm just talking in general even, you know. Yeah, but I feel like it takes too long to get to the point. And I'm so used to getting to the point faster. Okay, that I think that's why it's it bores me a little bit. Well, I
guess, you know, it's quite a fascinating field because it's growing so quickly. I mean, it is it is, right. But there's, there's real crime, there's stories, there's interviews, there's so many different types of podcasts, there's business, there's pleasure. And I've started branching out a little bit and I'd been listening to while I listened to a story on cereal, I think it was called One time a couple years ago, that was fascinating was like an old radio show with the sound effects. And
there are a lot of good show podcasts like that. Yes, there are.
This was called S town. It was about a murder in Alabama or Arkansas or somewhere. Border from New York, had been found to come down and help solve this. And it was a true story. But it was fascinating because the way it was told it was really good. But then I've been listening to a lot of celebrities doing podcasts now because I'm finding that they are naturals at it. And there's a lot of them doing them and the ones that listen to it some Julia Louie Dreyfus, Oh, I
love her. Yeah, or you love her
podcast is called
wiser than me. I really need to start listening to more
Clarion and she interviews women who are all older and wiser than her. Oh, yeah. Pearl brunette Jane Fonda. Oh, wow. Interesting people. Isabel Allende, Amy Tan, who wrote the joy love all of these people. And her format's really interesting, too. So if you ever want to Yeah, she's funny. So fun, but she's got a potty mouth too. And then I've been listening to one now called smartlace. Jason Bateman will Oh, I love him. And Sean Hayes, and they I'm laughing in the
car. I'm laughing the entire time. So those are the kind I've been listening to. And then, you know, there's just so many options out there. So I just, I was curious. So being curious. That's the other thing. And the last thing I want to ask you of my curiosity, that's my favorite word, curiosity. So I like to ask my, my guests. Do you think that curiosity is innate, or learned? And then part two? What are you most curious about today? I think that
there are some people that are more curious than other people. But I think you probably can learn to be more curious, just like you could learn to do anything. You just have to be more open in your mind, to the experiences that you have. I just have a natural curiosity. I'm I'm fascinated by people's lives, I always have been fascinated by people's lives, which is why I like to interview people. And I'm weird. And I read obituaries to Aries too, because I love to
find out about people's lives. So I'll just read the obituaries. I mean, it's it seems a little odd, but I enjoy that. I enjoy reading about people's lives. And I love biographies and autobiographies,
biographies. Yeah.
I really enjoy that. So when you've read that, that sticks out. It's been a while since I've reading mostly fiction in my reading group now, but oh, just of all the stars I've read, you know, all the Dan rather's of the world, I've read all those books. Okay. You know,
what do you reading in your book?
Right now we're off for the month, so nothing. So I gotta look at the list and see what we're doing next month. I haven't looked yet. Okay. But we've actually read a lot of interesting things. And I'm, I'm terrible at remembering names, names of books. But it's really stretched my my brain because there are things that I never would read. And most of them I have enjoyed there was one of them. I didn't enjoy, but most of them I've really, really enjoyed. That's good.
Because otherwise, to me, that would be a waste of time. I haven't been in Book Club for years, but I can't read that fast anymore. I'm trying to scribble at
names for Pete remembering names of people and remembering book names. I don't know why. Well, I'm reading
our friends book right now. Allah.
Oh, yeah. I just read her book. Yeah, I'm
just in the middle of it too. And so I'm excited about that. So last words for my audience in terms of storytelling, your one major piece of advice perhaps about helping people write their stories and then also help can they find you?
Well, everyone has a story. They just need to, you know, find it and ask. And if you're trying to find your own story. Sometimes it's good to ask a family member or friend and say, Well, you know, what do you like about me your what do you like about my business? Or what's different? How to why? How is my business different than somebody else's business? How does it stand out, because you're too close to it. But if you have a friend, or a neighbor, or someone who's not
as close to it, try to figure that out. Oftentimes, you can find your story. That's right there.
We also write, go ahead. When you see it from that other person's perspective,
it's like people have trouble writing about themselves. Like if someone says, you know, write a bio, everyone freezes. I can't write a bio about myself. And that's another good tip is talk to you, you know, a spouse or talk to her friend and say, Well, how do you see me? And then write down some ideas and then go from there?
Yeah, definitely. And sometimes I'm afraid to ask somebody what they think. Yes, it's gonna be completely different. But no, I'm just teasing. That's great. So thank you. How can my client you, my audience, find you?
I'm on LinkedIn. Under my name, Amy, and I'll spell it ch o DROF. F as in Frank, that's Shudra. That's how it's pronounced. Yeah. That's the best way to reach out to me on LinkedIn.
Perfect. And if they're in the Dallas Fort Worth area, they're going to tune into radio 570 K, if Correct?
Yep. Or 96.3 FM HD two, or anyone can listen online anywhere in the world at KLA f.com 5am to 9am Central Time.
Oh, wow. Yes, of course. The world has changed so much.
And it's an it's DFW is Morning News with David Amy.
Awesome. And you want to sign us off. I want to
sign us off. Well, thank you so much, Janice, for having us. It's been such a pleasure. And so much fun. And you're a delight and I wish I could interview you can can we turn the tables here for a little bit?
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