Preparing the Buyer: Finding Your Dream Home Together - podcast episode cover

Preparing the Buyer: Finding Your Dream Home Together

Jun 05, 202431 minSeason 6Ep. 92
--:--
--:--
Download Metacast podcast app
Listen to this episode in Metacast mobile app
Don't just listen to podcasts. Learn from them with transcripts, summaries, and chapters for every episode. Skim, search, and bookmark insights. Learn more

Episode description

In this scenario, you focus on guiding a potential home buyer through the process of finding their home. You instill confidence by highlighting your expertise and dedication to assisting them in their home search.

Requirements

  • Knowledge of the local real estate market.
  • Communication and negotiation skills.
  • Strong networking abilities to access a wide range of property listings.
  • Ability to provide personalized guidance based on the buyer’s preferences and needs.
  • Download this Script (PDF)


The intention is to instill confidence in the home buyer by emphasizing your expertise and commitment to assisting them in finding their dream home.

⬇ Top 3 Real Estate Conversations
Unlock your real estate success with the top 3 essential real estate conversations

Disclaimer: This post contains affiliate links. If you make a purchase, I may receive a commission at no extra cost to you.

Join Us Online

Licensing and Continued Education

------------
This content is for educational purposes only and does not make any guarantees. We suggest you seek the help and/or advice of your broker, coach, mentor, office manager, attorney, and/or financial advisor. Brought to you by Darren Tunstall, a licensed real estate agent, DRE #01853445. This podcast operates independently of Darren's affiliation with any real estate brokerage and/or any REALTOR® associations. The intention is to provide you with valuable information, insights, and practical tools. Please note that all results may vary, and participants are responsible for their own actions.

Music by
Coma-Media from ...

Transcript

Real Estate Scripts Training Discussion

Darren Tunstall

Hello and welcome to the Real Estate Scripts podcast , the show that helps you know what to say when you're talking to buyers and sellers so that you can close more deals and earn more money . I'm Darren Tunstall , a real estate professional coach and number one bestselling author . Let's get into this .

Before we begin today's episode , I want to clarify some important points . I am a licensed real estate agent and my DRE number is 018-53445 . It's crucial to note that this podcast operates independently of my affiliation with Keller Williams Realty and any realtor associations .

My primary goal with this podcast is to provide you , our listeners , with valuable information , insights and practical tools . As a reminder , the purpose of Scripts and Dialogues is to come , learn , practice and be prepared to fail forward . This is where we make mistakes and help each other out , but we're mostly interested in seeing how we can get better .

First we read through the script word for word and then we go back and put it into our own natural tone , style and phrasing . You won't know what to say until you go through the script . So , with that said , many people will say that's not how I sound , and I totally get it .

That's not how you sound , but that is the reason why we practice every day so that the script becomes you and in your own voice . So read it word for word first , then go back and put it into your own natural tone , style and phrasing , and I think it'll work out .

Just to kind of add a little bit to what I was saying earlier , what we do is we'll wait just a couple of minutes before to get everybody here , Then I'll set it up and then we'll create some breakout rooms , put you into pairs or threes . You'll have that dialogue back and forth .

Usually what I say is practice the script word for word or , if you're comfortable enough . Either you've been in that scenario before or you've practiced a script a couple of times in the past . Follow it as a guide , put it in your own words , your own tone , style and phrasing , because not one of these scripts will ever sound like you Not one .

They sound like me because I wrote them . So take the script , put it in your own tone , style and phrasing , practice it back and forth a couple of times , and then we'll bring you back for about the last five minutes and we'll have a discussion about it . How can we make it better , what would you do differently , Things like that .

And then we're off to lead generation . And then we're off to lead generation . Who here agrees with that ? There we go . All right , Everybody raises their hand . Hi , Bridget . Okay , let's go ahead and pull up today's script . I'm sure we're going to have a couple of more people pop in , but we'll go ahead and get started .

It is a little bit of a longer script today . Today , this whole week so yesterday we did buyer presentation this whole week is about the buyer transaction .

So remember , once a quarter , to just to remind everybody here , and especially for those who are newer , typically lead generation is every other week , because that's the number one thing we should be doing in real estate , right ? Everybody agree with that .

So we practice lead generation every other week , every other week , every other week , and that is , we have 12 different ways , or 13 different ways of lead generation , from foreclosures to you working with your SOI , referrals , expired listings , you name it . We have it in there . And then , once a quarter , we'll practice tie downs .

We'll practice buyer transactions , seller transactions , buyer objections , seller objections . So we're kind of in that phase right now where we're working on the buyer transaction , part of it as well .

So this whole week is about the buyer transaction preparing the buyer Tomorrow will be ongoing service to the buyer , Thursday will be buyer offers and negotiations and then last is contract to close the buyer . Today , prepare the buyer is finding your dream home together and to set this up .

In this scenario , you are focusing on guiding a potential home buyer through the process of finding their home . You instill confidence by highlighting your expertise and dedication to assisting them in their home search .

The requirements are knowledge of the local real estate market , communication and negotiation skills , strong networking abilities to access a wide range of property listings and ability to provide personalized guidance based on the buyer's preferences and needs .

The intention is to instill confidence in the home buyer by emphasizing your expertise and commitment to assisting them in finding their home search . So we're just going to have a conversation with them , Everybody ready to break out and practice .

Bridgett

Mm-hmm .

Darren Tunstall

Yep , all right , bridget , miguel , meet each other . And Miguel , this is your first day , right ? Yes , first day , but I don't believe . You're a brand new realtor .

Miguel

I kind of am . Yeah , I've been in the business for about a little under a year , close to a year , but you know , I still , I still consider myself , you know , very brand new practice wise . So Gotcha .

Darren Tunstall

Okay , you just look like a professional long-term realtor . Thank you .

Bridgett

You just look like the rest of us washed up . You know what , miguel ? I'm 21 years in the business and I sometimes I still feel like a brand new realtor . I mean , everything is . There's so much changing in our industry , so you're in good company .

Miguel

Yeah , definitely , definitely . No , I listen to you guys every day , so I I felt like this was , you know , something that I've been wanting to do for quite some time . So glad to be here .

Darren Tunstall

Good for you . And what brokerage are you with ?

Miguel

I'm with a boutique brokerage in San Francisco called SF dwell . Um , it's myself and then my uncle who's actually my broker . So literally just two people , brokerages of two people .

Darren Tunstall

Very good , awesome . Well , we're happy to have you here . You've definitely teamed up with a great group of people . Bridget is amazing and let's just go ahead and get started in this particular scenario .

Like I said before , if you've already been in this scenario a few times , or if you practice this script a couple of times already , feel free to put it in your own tone , style and phrasing .

Otherwise , if you want to read it word for word , then you're welcome to do that again and , depending on the time , if we can go back a second time and you put it in your own tone , file and phrasing , then you're welcome to do that too . But , um , and if you want to shorten it up , this is your time to practice . In any way , you want brid .

Bridget , let's have you start first , since you're the more experienced agent in this . Miguel will be your buyer , and then we'll reverse roles and go back from there . So when you're ready , bridget , Okay , sounds good .

Bridgett

Thank you , Miguel

Home Buying Consultation and Agreements

. Thank you so much for taking the time to meet with me today . I'm so excited to have this opportunity to help you find your first home here in San Diego .

I've been working in the industry for over 20 years and I've got extensive local knowledge and with my experience I can help guide you through the entire process , from searching to the perfect property to negotiating the best deal on your behalf . So how can I best help you today ?

Miguel

So how can I best help you today ?

Bridgett

I think you can best help me just by helping me kind of understand what the pre-approval process might look like .

I certainly can understand how overwhelming the pre-approval process can seem , among other things , when you're searching for a home , things when you're searching for a home , and my job is to help you understand the process and to make sure that we create a tailored experience for you to make sure that you go through and this is a successful journey to home ownership

. So tell me , what are the key features that you're looking for in a home ?

Miguel

Yeah , I mean key features that I'm really looking for . I think I'm looking for a three bedroom , two bathroom . I have my wife . I also have my two kids that both need their separate rooms . You know , I'm also looking for a little yard as well to just to give them a little extra space to be able to run around and get the zoomies out as kids .

Should I also have a Pomeranian to have that backyard for ? So really , I think those are , you know more what I'm looking . You know what I'm looking for in my next home . So I think those are the main key features .

Bridgett

Okay , are schools a factor for you as well ?

Miguel

Schools are a factor . Me and my partner , we work from home , so commute isn't too much of a problem , as long as it's not like a 45 minute drive for us .

Bridgett

Okay , wonderful . So based on what you're telling me , it looks like you're really looking for a detached home with somewhat of a yard , or maybe a townhome with a larger space outside for your dog and your kids in a good school district . Is that what I'm hearing ?

Miguel

Yeah , that's pretty much what I'm looking for . I think having a great school district with the best resources libraries around , that would be really great for my kids to grow up in .

Bridgett

Wonderful . So by taking these preferences into account , we're going to help you find the home that fits your needs . Are there any other specific details or must-haves that I need to be aware of ?

Miguel

No other specific details . You know just really , you know being able to have my own um , me and my family to be able to have their own space . Um , you know , be in a you know a nice neighborhood . Um , if , if it is a gated neighborhood , that would be really nice as well too , just cause you know my family likes gated neighborhoods .

But if not , that's totally fine as well .

Bridgett

Okay , okay . So you'd prefer a gated neighborhood , but not a must-have ?

Miguel

Not a must-have correct .

Bridgett

Okay , Wonderful . So I'm going to be there for you every step of the way , from the initial search which begins today all the way through our closing , I'll handle all the paperwork . I'm going to negotiate on your behalf to ensure a smooth and stress-free experience . How does that sound ?

Miguel

That sounds amazing . I know it's the overwhelming process , so being able to have you around will really be helpful for me .

Bridgett

Wonderful , so let's go ahead and start this journey together . Do you have any questions or concerns ? Before we move forward , no questions at all . Wonderful . So well , if you didn't have any questions about , okay , let me just fast forward . Oh sorry , no , no , no , no , no , that's okay . Well , yeah , we don't have to follow the script .

Yeah , exactly , I mean I'm just kind of going between the script and what you're saying .

Darren Tunstall

So that's okay . Well , yeah , we don't have to follow the script . Yeah , exactly , I mean .

Bridgett

I'm just kind of going between the script and what you're saying , so that's okay . You're keeping me on my toes , miguel . That's great .

Darren Tunstall

And this is the law and this is a . This can be a long script , because you are fact-finding , you are pitching your value as well as the agent and but if it's , if you know , you gotta . This is the other part about about having conversations and communicating with people .

Sometimes there's the bullet point type people who want to know this , this , this and that , and then let's get to the appointment and start looking for homes .

And then there's sometimes there's the engineer mindset where they want to know everything they knew and know the details , and we have to be prepared for both , and sometimes the conversation just ends a little earlier , and that's okay .

Bridgett

So , okay , well , Miguel , I know you mentioned at the beginning of our meeting today that you were not quite . You were a little overwhelmed by the pre-approval process . So what the next step is going to be is I'm going to introduce you to a couple of the best lenders that I work with .

You're welcome to call a couple of them and have conversations about the loan process and what to expect . They can also go over interest rates and down payments , different types of loan programs out there and , of course , whether or not there's a homeowner's association dues .

That is certainly something that you'll want to talk to them about , because there's a lot of areas here in San Diego with homeowners associations that you'll want to factor into your price .

The other piece that I do want to touch base with you is a relatively new discussion that I don't typically have with buyers , but because of the changes in our market in the last month or so , I would encourage you to make sure that you've got your homeowner's insurance lined up as soon as we locate a property .

I've had several clients with delayed insurance problems because of California , and San Diego in particular , being a high buyer area . So if you don't already have an insurance broker , I'll go ahead and refer a couple over to you , so you're prepared for that as well . Okay , miguel .

Miguel

Okay , that would be great . Thank you so much .

Bridgett

And as far as communication , I'd like to ask you what is the best way for me to communicate with you when I find a property or when I have some important information ? Is it email or text , or a call ?

Miguel

Yeah , I want to be able to jump on a property right away , just because my family really wants to get the ball rolling . Being able to text me would totally be fine . For the most part , I want to do not disturb , but having it be via text allows me to review the property as quickly as possible , so that would be great .

Bridgett

Wonderful and just so . You know the market is still moving not quite as quickly as possible . So that would be great , Wonderful and just so . You know the market is still moving , not quite as quickly as before , but it is moving .

Some properties are still experiencing multiple offers and what I have done is there are a lot of really great agents in my office and I have partnered with several of them to help me with showing . So I never want you to lose out on a property because I double booked myself or I had another appointment at that time .

So don't feel like you're bothering me ever . If it's evenings or on the weekends , I've got partners that can show you property , no problem . So you let me know when the best time is for you to see a property and , as long as the owner will allow us to get in , I'll have one of my partners meet you . If I can't , Is that okay ?

Miguel

That sounds amazing . Thank you so much .

Bridgett

Wonderful . Let's go ahead . And are we supposed to sign the contract on this one ? Darren , I don't see anything about it .

Darren Tunstall

Not necessarily . The next step is really to , because this is more or less over the phone usually . Oh , I totally misunderstood . No , no , no , no Don't worry about it , because you made it sound like you're already in there . And that's okay , that's the route that it took . So at this particular point , yeah , I would say let's go ahead and work together .

Sign here .

Bridgett

Yeah , okay , so do you want me to do that ?

Darren Tunstall

Sure , let's finish it off .

Bridgett

Okay , I want to make sure Miguel has enough time to practice too . Yeah , okay . So , miguel , it sounds like we're ready to work together . Do you have any other follow-up questions before we go ahead and move forward with an agreement to work together ?

Miguel

No , no other follow-up questions . Ready to embark on this journey with you ?

Bridgett

Okay , wonderful . So the next thing I'd like to share with you is what's called a buyer representation agreement , and this does a couple of different things for both of us .

It commits you to working with me and me to working with you , and a couple of the benefits with it is you are more than welcome to walk into open houses , subject to the new NAR guidelines , and if you walk into an open house and they ask you who your realtor is , you don't have to fill out their contact information . You can give mine .

So you don't have to worry about realtors calling you all week asking you about properties . You can go ahead and just I'll give you my card here . It's my open house . I call it my open house pass . You can show it to them or you can just write down my contact information and they'll call me for feedback instead of you .

Also , sometimes I find properties that are off market and I can't negotiate on your behalf to find an off market property if we don't have an agreement . So the agreement will allow me to go ahead and negotiate on your behalf .

So the agreement will allow me to go ahead and negotiate on your behalf If there is a circumstance where either it's a for sale by owner , like an off market property , or even with some of the new NAR guidelines .

Let's say , we find a property that's listed but they do not offer any sort of compensation , I will work with the listing agent to get a concession paid to you so that my commission can get paid for .

Now , as an absolute last resort , if for some reason the seller is not willing to pay any compensation , I will have that conversation with you prior to us writing any offers . At that point we're still waiting for guidelines from the lender , but it's possible it might be negotiated , we might be able to bundle it into your loan or a couple of other things .

We'll address that when we get there . But those are the different ways that I get compensated , and so we'll have that conversation prior to any offers that we submit , and my goal is to always have the seller pay the fee and if for some reason they don't , we'll have that conversation . So you know what's going on . Does that sound fair ?

Miguel

Yeah , that sounds fair . What is in the past ? What has it looked like for you working with other clients when the seller doesn't want to pay those concessions ?

Bridgett

You know that's a great question , miguel . I've actually never had a buyer have to pay it . In circumstances where I find something off market , I have had my buyers agree to do it . But I've usually been able to negotiate it .

And I do think that , even with the new changes in the commission structures , I do think that a majority of agents will still get paid through the concessions . But there will certainly be outlier situations , and that's why I always like to let you know of that , and if that happens , we'll have a conversation .

You'll know exactly what the compensation will look like . My fee in our contract is going to be X chickens , and so that's what my fee is . If they are willing to pay part of it or all of it , then you and I will have that conversation as well , so you'll know upfront what the situation is with each property that you're interested in .

Okay , okay , that sounds good , wonderful . Thank you so much , miguel . Okay .

Miguel

That sounds good .

Bridgett

Wonderful . Thank you so much , miguel , and I look forward to working with you .

Miguel

You as well . Thank you so much .

Bridgett

Would you sign with her ? Totally ? That was . That was killer . Okay , but can we be honest for a moment ? I don't want to take up too much of your time , miguel , because

Navigating the Real Estate Process

you need to practice . I know , but I botched one about a month and a half ago and they didn't work with me . I can't remember the last time a buyer didn't work with me , but I botched it because I was just all over the place . Here's the rules now , but come later these .

And it was just like I just completely overwhelmed them and I saw it in their face and they were like okay , we'll get back to you . And then , a couple of weeks later , uh , we decided to work with another realtor . That other realtor probably didn't even mention any of it ?

Miguel

Yeah , because I feel like this is all very like essential information that , like a lot of first time buyers in general , just don't really know about .

Bridgett

So but I screwed up , I overwhelmed them and um so don't do what I did . Don't do what Bridget did .

Miguel

I feel like it was very straightforward , though I don't know , it's interesting . I don't know . I think it was just your bias , I don't know .

Darren Tunstall

In my opinion , and , from a goal planning perspective , we have to build in conversions too right . Simultaneously , there's a lot of like everything coming at you at once . One thing is , we have to expect certain amount of failure in the business . Number two , we do have to present this information so that they are aware of what's going on .

We have to have these conversations right , because if we're not , then that's what the whole NARA thing was about that a lot of people weren't being truthful or upfront with everything , and then the client had felt like they weren't being given options or being given enough information to make a decision . And then there were some bad actors , right .

I don't want to put it all on that . This is a very long conversation .

You walked into a first day script where this is a long conversation to have because you're really preparing the buyer on everything it is that you're about to do with them , um , but you bring us a good point and this is definitely a recording that I'm going to put up for everyone to hear , because you brought up some really good points that I really liked .

In fact , I read a brand new script that nobody has seen yet about how a buyer's agent can get paid and there are options . It's not always just the buyer has to . The option for the buyer to pay has always been there .

Number one , and I think people forget that and most most of the time they forget that because a lot of people never really put their buyers under contract , and I have always taught since 2008 , ever since I've been in this business to always put your buyers under contract . But that's a whole nother topic .

Let's at least get you started for a couple of minutes to have an initial conversation . But it was really good . I'm glad that you paired with Bridget today , because you heard you were able to engage in a very high level conversation , which I think you appreciated , so let's do this for a couple of minutes .

I'm going to cut you off , unfortunately , and I know you need to go at nine anyways , but let's go ahead and start the conversation out .

Miguel

Okay , sounds good when you're ready . All right , hello , bridget , it's Miguel , your realtor with SF Dwell . How are you doing today ?

Bridgett

Great . How are you , Miguel ?

Miguel

I'm good . I'm good . I'm so glad to have this opportunity to help you find your next home . I've been working in the real estate industry for over a decade and I have extensive knowledge in the local market . With my experience , I can guide you through the entire process , and for searching for the perfect property to negotiating the best deal .

But really I wanted to understand how can I best help you today ?

Bridgett

Well , I've never bought a property before and honestly I'm just kind of nervous and it just the process seems overwhelming .

Miguel

Yeah , definitely . It can be a very , very overwhelming and also daunting process , so being able to , especially when you're looking for the right home in a very competitive market , which is ultimately why I'm here to help .

As your real estate agent , my primary focus is being able to understand what your needs and preferences are , and so , by working very closely together , I want to be able to narrow down what the options are and help us identify the properties that can best meet your criteria .

But first I want to understand what the key features are for you in looking for your dream home .

Bridgett

Well , I work from home a lot , so I think just a space . I don't know if I can afford an extra bedroom in my budget , but maybe like an extra space where I can work .

Miguel

Okay , yeah , most definitely , I mean . With those requirements in mind , I'll definitely tap into my extensive network and access the most up-to-date property listings that match your criteria . I'll carefully review each listing and pre-screen properties to save you time and ensure that they align with your needs .

Additionally , I'll provide you with detailed information about the neighborhoods , school districts , amenities . This way , you can really make an informed decision throughout the home buying process to identify what home best meets your needs . Is there anything else you'd like to add to your home preferences ?

Bridgett

I mean maybe ideally move-in ready . I'm not very handy .

Miguel

It doesn't have to be fancy , but just something that I don't have to prioritize properties dedicated for home offices , and also what your preferences are , or versatile areas that can be transformed into functional workspace and also move-in ready .

It's important for me to tailor the search for your unique requirements and by taking these preferences into account , we'll find the home that perfectly suits your style . Are there any specific details or must-hves you'd like me to consider at all ?

Bridgett

No , I think that's probably about all I can afford .

Darren Tunstall

Okay , let's cut it off there . Sorry , Miguel . No , don't be sorry With the home offices thing . That was a weird one because she didn't mention it . I don't . She talked about working from home , right ? So you kind of have to go with the flow of the conversation sometimes too . Yeah , but you , you did great .

The only thing is I would suggest , is there's a clear difference . Experienced agents know what they're . What they're about to say already you know doesn't mean that we don't need practice , it just means that they've been in that scenario a few times more than an agent that just got started , and this is for everybody to hear .

If you're reading through this script the first time , we are going to fumble over our words , the only way past that sometimes well , not sometimes the only way past it is through consistency , over and over and over again , and I would rather see the consistency in practice and the bumps in the road , the failures , the tripping over our words and things like that

in practice rather than on our clients . So keep coming back , keep coming back , keep practicing these scripts and I promise you you stick with it enough times , it's going to start to flow and get better and better and better . That's the , that's the only way you have to put in numbers .

My daughter did gymnastics for 10 years and the coach kept saying numbers , numbers , numbers to put in your numbers , and I promise you it'll flow . But I want to say on that note Miguel , you did fine , you did a fantastic job .

Bridgett

Okay , and Bridget , you were amazing too , the good job .

Darren Tunstall

Uh , I do . I know it's nine o'clock , it's a hard , you know , if everybody has to go , I totally get it . But I want to mention some things that I heard today which I thought were amazing and I really liked how part of our dialogue went into handling the buyer's commission .

I have a brand new script that has some options that I'd like to practice with everybody . But I really , really , really , really like the line about the open houses and I haven't heard this one yet and I'm a little disappointed that I haven't thought about it . But Bridget mentioned you know if you're going to an open house and I think thought about it .

But Bridget mentioned you know if you're going to an open house and I re I think I wrote it down and work for it , you don't have to compete to complete their open house sign sheet or sign in sheet with your name . You can just give them my information and that is the power of the BRBC .

You're you if you put a buyer under contract and you have them under contract with you to work with you . I've never tried it . I've never asked a client to say you know , don't put my name or don't put your name , put a buyer , put my name as your agent . I'm curious , bridget , has that worked or has ? How has that ? Has that ?

Have your clients actually done that yet ?

Bridgett

Yeah , you know , I think when a client is is serious about working with you , or even if they're not , maybe I think part of it is that they just you know , they don't want to be hounded by 20 realtors , Right , and sometimes it can be overwhelming to go in .

I mean , there's some realtors out there with some pretty fabulous open house scripts , so sign , you know . I just tell them , sign in , and sign in with my contact information and I'll be happy to provide feedback for them , because I don't always attend open houses with my buyers . Sometimes I just let them go and it does help .

I used to have actual business cards that said open house pass . I don't have them anymore . Maybe I should get those redone .

Darren Tunstall

Yeah , and the same here is like I would give them your business card and say this is your agent , right ? But I love the idea of just . It's so simple . I mean , why haven't I thought about this ? But just put my name down and I'll handle the conversation for you . You know , I love it . So , anyways , how did everybody else's practice go ? Amy , Debbie ?

Bridgett

And a question regarding your that open house thing . Where did you put that in the script ?

Darren Tunstall

Where was that ? Or it wasn't , it wasn't , it was just it was the brilliance of Bridget . It wasn't , it was just . It was the brilliance of Bridget . No , that was . That was off the you know off the cuff . Just following the conversation and putting it in her own words Okay , yeah , debbie , you're on mute , I see you talking .

Real Estate Script Practice and Advice

Bridgett

I think you're talking to us . Well , I was the last one to go and there wasn't much time left , so I kind of squeezed it all in a condensed version .

Miguel

She was so good , I didn't even have any more questions .

Darren Tunstall

Awesome , Love it , Love it . That was the bullet point version that we talked about . So great job , everyone . All right , so that's the script . I hope that you found it useful . Just head over to realestatescriptspracticecom for more resources and downloads . This content is for educational purposes only and does not make any guarantees .

We suggest you seek the help and or advice of your broker coach , mentor , office manager , attorney and or financial advisor . Brought to you by Darren Tunstall , a licensed real estate agent , DRE number 01853445 . This content operates independently of Darren's affiliation with Keller Williams Realty and any realtor associations .

The intention is to provide you with valuable information , insights and practical tools . Please note that all results may vary and participants are responsible for their own actions .

Transcript source: Provided by creator in RSS feed: download file
For the best experience, listen in Metacast app for iOS or Android