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In this episode of Little Fish, Dan, James, and Andy delve into an eclectic mix of listener-contributed facts. Topics range from the UK's windiest locale and a soldier's unexpected role in starting WWII, to the surprising scent of stem cell transplants and the historical excommunication of Norwich. The discussion also covers a band's clever opening act, a surgeon's self-referential incision, and surprising connections between historical figures, all presented with the podcast's signature humorous commentary.

Episode description

Dan, James and Andy discuss YOUR facts, in episode two of our brand new weekly show. 

This week's subjects include beds, wind, panhandles and Devo. We also meet our first four listeners who have become Fact Custodians.

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Welcome to Little Fish: Listener Facts

Hi everyone, welcome to the second ever episode of Little Fish. Little Fish is a show where we list your facts, things that you've sent in to the podcast.qia.com inbox. Andy has sifted through them and he has found the very sweetest plums, sent them over to the rest of us. going to go through them today and chat about them are they true are they not true do we know more about the subject

Have we never heard of any of these words before in our life? We will see as we move on. So who is going to do the first fight? It can't be me because I did the intro. It has to be one of you two. Oh, go on. I'll... I'll throw a plum your way then. Jump in. Let's do it. See how sweet you find it. Yum yum. Plum plum. Sorry. One of these days, one of these catchphrases will pay off, Andy. And everyone will be saying, yum, yum, plum, plum. It'll be the new six, seven.

The Windiest Place in the UK

You'll see, James, when I'm opening nightclubs around the country shouting yum yum plum plum. Right, this is from the unimprovably named Nathan Gallimore Strong. I think friend of this parish. I think we may have heard from him before. Oh, yeah. But he says, the windiest place in the UK is the butt of Lewis. That's it. Thanks, Nathan. There you go. And it's basically, it's on the Isle of Lewis. Lewis and Harris. harrison lewis and the butter's on the very very northern tip

of Lewis. And during his trip, he also wrote his first funicular railway. So congratulations, Nathan. Very good. It's a little bit contentious, this fact. I did do some follow-up. I always thought it was further north. So is it...

Cape Wrath or something that's in the far north of Scotland. I always thought that was the windiest place. Well, I think, on average, Shetland is windier. Oh, yeah. So it's been... The Battle of Lewis has been named by the Guinness Book of Records a few years ago. So they...

They had their methodology. I still consider Shetland to be part of Denmark. Oh, because you, yeah, you have, well, controversial political opinion. And if you're listening, Danes. Is it Denmark or Norway? There was one of them where we... got it as maybe a dowry or something from some scandinavian country but the rules were that they were allowed to buy it back at any stage like when we first got either shetland or orkney right they said yeah

You can have it, but as soon as we can get 12 marks together, we're going to buy it back. And I think it's still true that, in theory, they could buy it back if they want. Really? I didn't know that. Okay. Well, so if you're listening, Vikings, get the money together. How windy is this? It's really windy.

The thing is, how do you measure how windy something is? Is it average speed over the year? For me now, because I live by a seaside, I could judge it. If I saw where Margate lives on a list... yeah then i think i could then judge it by personal experience yeah yeah because it's quite windy where you are oh it's wild the wind in margay is insane and it comes out of nowhere like we have this amazing you can't see it coming

We were sitting one time in Margate, there's these things which are called the steps that go onto the beach and you often see it.

Lots of beaches out there, Dad. Incredible. If you've ever been to Rome, they have a Margate tribute, which is called the Spanish Steps. Do they? Oh, there you go. See, yeah, it's coming up, Margate. So we were sitting on what felt like a normal day, and we were... were with our neighbors these these seagulls get coming and eating our fish and chips and Chloe did this thing where she picked up the final few chips

And she threw them out to the ocean. And just at that moment, this giant gust of wind came, blew the chips to the left, right onto a couple that were kissing on the steps. And about 12 seagulls just darted into them. She had to run after them going, I'm so sorry, I'm so sorry. And they were literally being attacked by these gulls. Is that a true story? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It's one of my favorite moments. In fact, I have a photo. Well, Dan, that sounds very windy.

Yeah, so that's how I'd be able to tell. But the strongest gust ever recorded in the UK was at Cairngorm Summit in 1986, which is a mountain in the Highlands. In Scotland, yeah. Which was 173 miles an hour. I think that's the strongest any individual gust has been recorded. But I think in general, it's normally Shetland that is the windiest on average, I believe. Imagine. I know, I know.

You'd be lifted off into the air. You'd be lifted off in the air. Oh, yeah. Don't wear your big coat. Thank you, Nathan. Great facts. Okay, here's a fact from Josh Glendening.

Soldier's Toilet Break and WWII Start

who says a soldier who spent too long on the toilet because of an upset stomach caused the start of World War II. so do we know about this incident okay this was this was called the marco polo bridge incident it was 1937 often considered to be the start of the second sino-japanese war which then evolved into world war ii and so the story goes

that in the 1930s, Japan had invaded and put in a puppet government and named it Manchuria. Yeah. Yeah. So in July, 1937, there was a Japanese private, Shimura Kikojiro, who was stationed near the bridge and he went,

So a few soldiers accused the Chinese military of having taken him and were holding him hostage. And so they started climbing over the walls to find him. They started asking questions and getting a... bit of uh an aggressive response and it's so it just kind of built up tensions meanwhile the soldier comes back after a while saying sorry my stomach was gone i had to dip into the forest and just relieve myself And in that time, enough of a fight started that it went into a full-blown war.

I just feel like we've missed one or two steps here. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Probably some political things happening. There were a few political things. Also, there's another theory that he was visiting a brothel, that he hadn't gone to the toilet. And a lot of historians, but this has been poo-pooed by a lot of historians. Poo-pooed! Very good, very good. Is the idea that this was staged, so he was told to go away so that they could pretend he was missing, so that they could find an excuse to go in.

I've heard this story before and I think it rings relatively true. The basics are true, aren't they? I read... A couple of years ago, I read Sir Anthony Beaver's History of the Second World War. Oh, did he mention it? He says this is the exclusive course. Does he? Oh, yeah, yeah. He says everything else would have been absolutely fine. 18 chapters on this guy's dodgy tummy just a little bit and then there was a skirmish

Does he go into the Sino-Japanese or does he start 1939? Oh, no, he goes into extraordinary detail about the whole global nature of it. It starts with a soldier, actually. Page one is about this soldier who, I think he was... from Korea or he gets drafted into the Japanese army when they invade and then Japan locks horns with China and then he's taken prisoner after some fight by the Russians and then he ends up

He ends up serving in three or four different armies, always being pressed into a different army over the course of the war. It's an absolute nightmare scenario for him. And he's used as an example of how this war affected absolutely everyone in the world. But his account is sort of grimly funny.

And then he was taken prisoner by the Russians. And it just goes on and on and on like that. Oh, yeah. Like the Forrest Gump of war. I suppose so. And this guy, your private, Dan, was taking a forest dump.

The Panhandle Surgical Incision

That's where you get the big bucks, Andy. Yum, yum. Plum, plum. Okay, my first fact comes from Ian Jones, and he says, I'm a pediatric surgeon. That's not his fact. His fact is about the Fanon steel incision. You gave me a load of German. You gave me some German ones last week as well. Nice. Yeah. And German is not my first, second, third, or indeed 193rd language. But this incision is one that this person did. It's basically the...

It's the most common way of doing a cesarean. You'd use it for some other surgery down there, but it's in the shape of a pan handle, and it's on the bikini line, and it gives you good access to the pelvis and stuff like that. Now, the... Incision is called Fannenstiel because Fannenstiel in German means panhandle. Okay. But the surgeon who first described it was called Hermann Johannes Fannenstiel.

So, he invented it. It has the same name as him, but according to him, it's named after the fact that it's the shape of a panhandle. Now, Ian Jones's personal theory... which i agree is that he deliberately drew the incision in the shape of a panhandle so that he could name it after himself People do do this sometimes, don't they? Wasn't there an element of the periodic... Gallium. Gallium. And it was named after a guy who's... So he said they named it after France.

yes goal goal but actually i think he was called lecoq that's something similar which is chicken and um gallus gallus is the latin for chicken that's it that's it so yeah like people do do it And to be honest, it's such a coincidence. I've never seen the word fan and steel before. I mean, what if actually the surgery would be much better and easier to conduct if it was a completely different shape that doesn't look like a panhandle? Yes.

It could be that, you know, in all these years, people who are having cesareans are having the wrong shape just because of his. We should look into that. That's insane. That's really, that's a really good fact. That's very good. And great theory. I can give you more.

The Origin of Frere Jacques

on surgeons. Yeah, go on. Jean Casimir Félix Guillon was born in Réunion. He came up with a new way of removing bladder stones through the perineum. But he's more famous for being the probable inspiration for this song, Frere Jacques. No way! Wow. My little one sings that non-stop at the moment. Do they know that it's about removing Flutterstones through the perineum? No, but we never get to the third verse of the song, so...

So what are the lines again? Frère Jacques, Frère Jacques. Dormez-vous, dormez-vous. Sonne le matine, sonne le matine. Ding-dang-donk, ding-dang-donk. So is that, we've had a patient come in complaining of severe... It's the sound of the bladder stones falling into the pan. It's the ding-dang-dong. Good. Is the perineum the bit in between... The anus and the genital. And the other genital opening. What's the grundle? That might just be you, Dan.

I thought that was another term for that. I've never come across that. Have you not? So the band that does our theme tune, Emperor Yes, Ash, who wrote our song and sings the song, he was originally in a band called Grundle. And I'm pretty sure... It was to... Wow. Is this Aussie slang? No, no. No, no. All right, Mr. Schreiber, let's get you up on the chair and just have a quick look at the grundle, sir. Oh, you've got a bad case of the pair of sharks there, mate.

Identifying Extreme US States

Dan, let's have another fact. Okay, here's not so much a fact, but a great pub quiz question. All right, so this is from John Dunn. He says, my favorite pub... The metaphysical poet. He said, my favorite pub quiz question is, and here's the question now, and I'm going to ask it to you too. What are the furthest north, south, east, and west states of the United States? Come on, mate. Yeah, you're okay. I think I was bald yesterday. All right, so let's start with south. What's the...

What's the Southest? Southest? Southest. I'm going to say Dakota. North Dakota. It's a trick question. Okay. Well, for me, it has to be North Carolina. Okay. No, it must be Hawaii. It is Hawaii. Oh, very good. Correct. What is the north-est state? I think that has to be South Dakota. Okay, playing seriously for a second, I'll say Alaska. Correct. It is, that is correct. Okay, so one each. Yep. Westest. Westest. I would say Alaska.

correct it is alaska oh yeah interestingly it's got north and west uh yeah so okay that's uh two one but you probably might have said the same uh i would and also i'm gonna get the next one right okay so i'll give this one to andy Most eastest? I feel like it's going to be a trick, but I'll say... West Virginia. West Virginia. No, I'll say one of those ones over on the far right-hand side. I'll say Rhode Island. Rhode Island. Incorrect, James. I'm going to say...

It's Alaska again. Correct. Why? Because the Aleutian Islands go over the international dateline. Oh, for heaven's sake. Yeah. Isn't that amazing? South is the only one, Hawaii, that is not claimed by Alaska. So North, East, West are all Alaska. Yeah. Okay, here's one. Kathy Oliver from Ontario, which is at least in the same hemisphere as most of Alaska.

The Scent of Stem Cell Transplants

She said, my husband and I love your podcast and it keeps us entertained on drives to my various treatments over the last two years, which leads me to a fact idea for you. When you get a stem cell transplant, you will stink of creamed corn. for a couple of days wow okay so the stem cells are frozen using a substance called dimethyl sulfoxide DMSO, and it stops them from getting damaged, but it has this peculiar odour that smells, to most people, like creamed corn. DMSO actually is very pungent.

but to such an extent that you can taste it by touching it. So if I had a Petri dish of DMSO now and you put your finger in it, you'd be able to taste it. And that's because it directly triggers the nerves that normally react to taste. That's insane. That's absolutely insane. How many different foods does that work with? This is not a food. This is a chemical.

And I don't know of any foodstuffs. I guess garlic could do it like that, maybe? Because that seems to go through your skin, but that's just, I guess. There's a theory about that. I remember you walking around with an onion in your sock to see if you could taste it. That's QI research years and years and years ago. I've got two...

pictures for you off the back of this oh yeah so number one there should be a google for smells that should just be a google for spells how do you what do you what do you search as in what do you type you you're not typing you're not typing well you're typing with your nose So what do you put in that you're trying to find? I haven't worked out all the details yet. Is it like Shazam? Instead of a phone, you hold a giant nose in the area where you are and it goes, hmm.

baked crumpets that's exactly what it is very nice okay brilliant that's good right we've solved that one i i feel like i came up with that idea really like We were all in the room, three-way split. Really great. Great work, everyone. See you for the first set of quarterly results. Okay, so second idea, off the back of that.

the the touch restaurant right you don't eat anything but you just go in and you put your fingers through holes in the table into various different foods that you can then taste Yeah, right? Okay, but the only thing on the menu is DMSO. So far, so far. Maybe some garlic. But you've got to wear it for a month. But I think that would be good if we can find enough foods that you can taste through your fingertips. Yeah. That would be awesome.

I've got to say, I'm in on the Shazam knows. Andy, I'll let you develop this a bit more before committing. I'm sharing it with you guys three ways, no matter what, including the debts. Okay. I just want to say to everyone listening to this, I'm happy to share my Shazam nose with everyone who's listening to this. We can all have 0.001%. That's really generous. But one of you listening will have to make it.

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Norwich's Excommunication History

Who's next? Do you want to do another one, Andy? Or Dan, do you want to jump in? Yeah, I've got one here. So this is from Edward Malloy. who says, this is their favorite fact, Norwich is the only city in history to be excommunicated. In 1274, after a riot in the cathedral, Pope Gregory X excommunicated the entire city until they repented.

and repaired the damage done to church property. Clearly, it has had a lasting effect as Norwich is now the least religious city in England per the 2011 census. Is that right? Kind of right. I looked into it. It's almost right. I looked, I didn't fully...

Get an answer to the excommunication, but Norwich is very much not a religious city anymore It's interesting because there's a saying about Norwich which is that it has a church for every week of the year and a pub for every day So a lot of churches. That must be Norfolk, right? There's no way there's 352 churches in Norwich alone. Maybe there is. Maybe. Maybe. Yeah? Yeah, absolutely. I take that back. It's just a saying. I don't think there's exactly 365 pubs either. But it's the LA of Norfolk.

I would say Norwich. Right. It's the mega city of Norfolk, isn't it? Of Norfolk? Oh yeah. There's King's Lynn, of course. Oh yeah, of course. That's fair. There's King's Lynn. Well, a census was done in 2021. And it showed that those who said that they don't have any religion, don't believe in any religion, was 53.5%. Wow. So that's 76,973 people. And that's a jump from a decade ago.

when it was 42.5, and that's 56,000 people. So it's the second least religious city in the UK. Oh, I think I know this one. Town or city, yeah. Isn't it somewhere called Satan? satanford or something that's the least religious that's not a city though no it's not a city it's a parish isn't it uh no um what do you know what i mean i think it's got an amusingly apt name the least religious place in the uk but i can't remember what the name is i would have

Without knowing that little clue, I would have said most likely it would be somewhere like Brighton or Bristol, like somewhere where lots of cool young people live. So, yeah, sort of strongly secular. Do you want to have another guess, Andy? James has it right. But do you want to have another guest? No, I'm going to stick with Satanfoot, I think. Okay. Brydon and Hove. Wow. Yeah. Had 55.2% of people declaring no religion. Gosh. Yeah. Alistair Crowley had his funeral there.

In Brighton? Yeah, it might have something to do with that. Was he from there? No, but I think he passed away in Hastings and I think his body ended up in Brighton for some reason. He was cremated there. Not so far, is it? No, it's on the coast. Very windy.

Devo's Clever Opening Act

Is it? Don't want to release those ashes near a couple making out. Here's one from me. I already have a bone to pick with Andrew Hunter Murray. It's episode two. And I already have a bone to pick because you sent us these facts. And... Listener, think back to audience facts one when I said, here's one from Wayne Hoyt. Or is it Holt? Because it looks like it should be Holt. Well, this week I have one from Wayne Holt. H-O-L-T.

I assume it's the same person, and I assume one of them is a misspelling. I've got to track. Although, I did have... a eyesight check yesterday and i need reading glasses so maybe you need to check can you check is that height and a halt yeah it's a height and a halt right yeah okay wayne does write in He writes in frequently. We have a few frequent flyers in the fishing box. Does he change his surname every time he writes in? You've got to work on your pseudonyms, Wayne.

What's the fact, James? Well, actually, the fact is to do with spelling. Oh, no. The fact is that in concert, the band Devo... sometimes performed as their own opening act pretending to be a christian soft rock band called dove the band of love which is an anagram of devo very nice that's really good i'm really sorry james They're both from Wayne Hoyt. Wayne Holt doesn't exist. That's not a real person. I've mistyped his name. There will be a Wayne Holt out there. If you're listening, Wayne.

How's Wayne going to solve this situation? Wayne's only going to confuse matters. If you happen to be listening to Fish and you're called Wayne Holt, write in. Let us know you exist. Simple.

Surprising Historical Connections

Shall I do one? Yeah. This is from Jessica Ringgaison from Texas. And she writes that Napoleon and Lord Wellington are kind of related and it's America's fault. Okay. This is... admittedly quite tenuous but the story is is that napoleon had a younger brother called jerome who visited the us when he was in his late teens and he eloped

with a lady called Elizabeth Patterson. Then Napoleon wanted Jerome to come back and marry a European princess because it was part of his plan to consolidate power while he was conquesting territories, right? So he brought... brought Jerome back. Elizabeth stays, but then Elizabeth hops on a boat and Napoleon bans it from landing. So she has no choice but to go and port in London. So that's where she lands. Jerome remarries and...

they never see each other again. Now the tenuous link that we've been given here from Jessica is that while she was in London she was living with a lady called Marianne. Marianne was her sister-in-law. Marianne's husband dies and she remarries Richard Wellesley, who's the elder brother of Arthur Wellesley, who defeated Napoleon at Waterloo. Good Lord. Yeah. Small world, isn't it?

I'm starting to think it's a slightly bigger world than I was imagining. OK, I mean, I was lost so long ago. Yeah, it's just about clung on till the end. I tell you what, though, I did recently visit the room where Wellington died. Did you? Yeah. I went down to Walmer Castle in Kent. Oh, it's a good day out. It's really good. It's a proper...

It's a proper castle. It's 400 years old. It's not one of these sort of plastic castles that you get these days. You know, sort of like fake castles, which is just a stately home with a few turrets. That's Disneyland. You're talking about Disneyland. It's not Disneyland. No, it's proper. And they had, there's a thing called being the Warden of the Sink Ports.

It looks like it's Sank, French for five, but it's not. It's Warden of the Sink Ports. That's how it's said. But it does mean five, right? There were five pots. It does mean five, and it's spelt like the French for five, but it is, I swear to God, they pronounce it Warden of the Sink Ports.

I swear like I went in and I said to the lady nice to be visiting the sank ports she said sink ports anyway she probably said that a hundred times a day for 20 years you don't want to be calling your pot sink anyway you're absolutely right it's a crazy choice but there is this honorary position called warden of the sink ports and uh wellington was that so was the queen mum

The old Queen Mum. And actually, when I visited, they had a Queen Mum look-alike there for the day. Did they? Yeah. Along with a kind of... That kind of work must be drying up a bit. Well... I made a sort of casual joke about gin, and she looked so disapproving. Because, you know, the Queen Mum. She loved her gin. She liked to drink. My God, Andy, this was a tough day for you.

First of all, you walk in a mispronounced sink pot, and then you make a perfectly harmless joke about gin so the Queen Mother look alike. And then I find out Wellington's dead. It was awful. It was terrible. But no, it's a really evocative room because they've got this tiny bed. It's this camp bed. It's a military camp bed that is still there from the day he died. And he must have died in about...

What, 1850? But he took this bed with him wherever he went. When he went up to London to be the Prime Minister, that military camp bed went with him. How interesting. He slept in that bed in Downing Street, and then when he became Warden of the Sinkports, he brought the bed back to warm up. castle you know what where he died i went to the place where napoleon surrendered which is in france somewhere is it il de rey or somewhere i can't remember or il de france il de rey something like that and i

I might be misremembering this, but I seem to remember that he had quite a non-ornate bed as well. Yeah, I remember being there and thinking, oh, wow, for someone who's so important in history. What a shit bed. These military guys. I think it's the military. Like they're used to the campaigning lifestyle. You know, I saw the bed that Abraham Lincoln died in.

really yeah it's when we were it's when we were in um dc um and we had a bit of time off and because he was shot in the ford theater but then he was taken to a house not too far away i just need a little nap no they brought him to a house and so he died in a bed that was his legs were hanging off the edge basically he was super tall and the bed was quite small and um you can visit his bed you can visit this yeah okay okay hear me out

Okay. Bed company. And we sell replica beds of the great beds of history. And we're going to clean up on the finance bros who want to think that they're living like Napoleon or Wellington or Lincoln. I mean, those are three perfect examples of like... beds of the greats, right? Yes. Like, you too can conquer Europe with our £9,000 bed. Yeah. Yeah. And we'll just sell them a military camp bed. What do you think? I love it. Okay. All right. Well, if you're listening to this, you can have 0.001%.

Announcing New Fact Custodians

Okay, so I think that's enough facts for the day that we've been sent in, but we still have one more thing to do, and that is to name some custodians of the archive. So anyone who is in our top tier on Patreon become... a custodian of a fact from no such thing as a fish it's very exciting i'm a custodian myself if you remember listening back to episode one of this little fish but there will be more custodians named today we will tell you

your name, which you might already know, and then we'll tell you the fact that you're the custodian of. So, Andrew, who is going to be our first non-fish member who is a custodian of a fish fact? I just want to say that was incredibly slick, James. And the concept of the shout-out is clearly very well embedded in your head First up today for a shout-out is Rachel Knott And her fact is The first ever sandwich that we know about Contained wine

Congratulations, Rachel. That is now your fact forever. Bilal the Elder. Is that who it was? Hillel? Bilal? Yeah, something. And it was more of a rap. It was more of a rap. It had, like, um... currants in or something, right? It sounds delicious. Yeah. I think we said this at the time, 11 years ago, when we covered it on the show. Anyway, yeah, Rachel, that's your fact. And we went into Sandwiches and the Earl of Sandwich, who we just covered again a week or two ago.

in recording yes we did of course well we're on a big wheel aren't we we are dan have you got one uh yeah this is a fact that is now going to belong to silas gill and that is in 2003 Three people in Mexico died of acne. If you'd put a gun to my head and said, you've got a thousand guesses as to the Christian name of the second ever person to become a friend of the podcast.

Silas would have not been one of my thousand guesses. No. It's just a terrific name. Because I think, are these in order of the people who signed up? So literally, I think Rachel and Silas had to have had their hand hovering over the Patreon button. As the time struck midnight. Yeah. Wow. And we should say Silas is an especially fish-friendly name. Silas Marner. Bye.

Friend of the podcast. Samuel Taylor Coleridge. George Eliot. That's right. Okay, so the third... custodian this week this is a dan schreiber fact and the fact is that amongst the other scientists called einstein

There are M.E. Einstein, who came up with a formula for predicting the composition of a pork carcass, and Rosemary Einstein, who co-investigated the use of cannabis, alcohol, and tobacco on 300... young persons at her university could have done with an edit dan we're gonna need a bigger certificate but drum roll that fact now is under the custodianship of helen cosgrove

Davis. Very nice. That was a great episode. That was a fact I took from a Mark Abrams book of the Ig Nobel Prizes, who James and I are going to be seeing tomorrow. He's in London. We're on a big wheel. Along with Case Mollica. who did the paper about the first case of homosexual necrophilia in the mallard duck.

Yep. And who raised awareness for pubic lice because they might be going extinct. It's going to be a spicy lunch tomorrow. As long as he's not cooking, I don't really mind. Oh, congratulations, Alan. That's the longest fact that's become... custodian so far. Until the next Dan fact. Shall I round us off with one more? Yeah, go on then. This is a fact that is now under the stewardship of Darcy.

Mr. Darcy. We can only assume. Fitzwilliam, if you're listening, congratulations. And it's one of my facts is that the first contact lenses cost as much as a car. Yes, you went to the museum, didn't you, to see? Yeah. The British Optical Association Museum. Those were the days when we used to do proper research. Episode 2 quickly ended that. Yeah, although...

We're on a big wheel. I went back there recently for a party. For a party? Yeah. They were finishing their refurbishment of the museum. It's really good. It's in the basement of the headquarters of the British Optical Association. They invited some celebs along and they all said no, so they invited me.

Who are the other big celebs who are at the party? I can't name names. I'm sorry. It's very much an eyes wide shut situation. Everyone was in masks. Ironically considering they're optometrists. Brilliant.

Does everyone wear masks and eyes wide shut? They do. Okay, good. In certain scenes, not the whole way through. That was very much a reach of a reference for me. You know, when you try and do a reference to something. You mean like when you say Samuel Taylor Coleridge wrote... Silas Marner. Silas Marner.

Exactly, exactly. Because the thing is normally in a podcast I would say that and then I'd cut it out because I knew I got it wrong because I'd check it later. But I've referenced it twice now so it's going to have to stay in. You really shot yourself in the foot. Okay, well, they are the next four custodians of facts in the No Such Thing As Fish archive. Read the names again, Andy. It's Rachel Knott, it's Silas Gill, Helen Cosgrove-Davies, and Darcy.

Four absolute legends, the first four people to sign up for our friend of the podcast tier on Patreon. And you too can get your name mentioned on this show if you sign up to that tier. But for now, it is time for us to say goodbye. So bye, Dan. It's goodbye from me. And it's goodbye from him. Bye. Bye.

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