What Matters & Hot Butt Rankings

a nice story. This is shooting one. Last week on the podcast, we were talking about Whispers training Camp Whispers, and we got to the Cincinnati's football franchise and we started talking about Joseph Burrow and what's going on with him, and then it kind of delved into can you trust the Cincinnati Bengals to handle this the right way? The special talent. We're a little bit worried about the Bengals

based on their history history of struggles. And during that conversation, West came up, as he often does when we're talking to Bengals, and uh, we're talking about when I tried to I was trying to woo West back to the Bengals and it just never worked out. And then the dossier came up. The Chris Westling Bengals dossier came up, the one that he cataloged years of frustrations UM with the Bengals and the incompetence in his opinion of the organization and how it was run, which led to him

divorcing himself from the team. So a nice conversation, good to bring up West. Week show goes on. So then tug boats on the peloton because sometimes the tug boats gotta get on the peloton. You are a tug boat for listeners that might be doing. Do not know that all the listeners know I'm tugboat. Now that thing is taken off. It just you know, they hop in and out. They're they're coming back for the regular season. We see those numbers. Skying Sky tug boat is the new old

Blue Eyes tug boat? Is the old Zuser tug boat? Is Daddy Rich? I think he just went seventh person four times anyway, So it's training camp for all of us, and UM on the pelton and I get a phone call. Well, I'm on the bike. It's Lakisha, Lakisha Jackson West and she's a little bit out of breath and she sounds upset, and I'm like, what's going on, Kisha? Everything okay. Lakisha says she was just listening to the podcast that Day's podcast, and she was just about to get home, and she said,

what did the dossier look like? And I said, it was like a lot of page it was. It was probably like six to ten inches thick. It was probably in a folder. And she's like, oh my god. I was cleaning out West's desk today because it was the Culver City office was closed down last week for NFL network. And I didn't know what it was. And I have such a challenge trying to figure out what to keep and what not to keep, uh with West because he had so many papers. And I put it in the trash. Oh,

she didn't know what it was. And she only knew what it was because or it only rang a bell because somehow the dossier came up on that day's podcast. So we start figuring out, Oh, what do we gotta do. She was going to pick up a link from daycares like, should I go back, uh to the office? Can you go back to the office. We got to get to the trash can before the people come by and pick things up and take it to the dumpster. Long story short, Lakisha gets back to the office just in time. Scoops

up the dossier. Look at this in my hands right now is the iconic Chris Westling Divorces the Bengals dossier. And how many things. It's got to be hundreds, oh more than it's I would say it's probably I don't know five. That's a that's a very thick file right there. And this is a beautiful thing to go through because as we know, west had many jobs. Who wasn't just

the mailman. He he also worked at a law office for a while and I'm sure a part of that a lot of he was tasked with doing researching and you could see that in his history because he has all these articles and he's highlighted things that really stood out to him. I mean, we're going years and years

and years of this. The first article took, the first article he saved was from September of nineteen and about how Mike Brown and the Bengals were behind the times in terms of the structuring and how to be a successful franchise because at that point had been ten years in Super Bowl twenty three and they weren't adapting. And then it goes all the way to about two thousand two, and I believe this and we can we will never know for sure, but I believe the reason West stopped

at this point. He has a bunch of articles about the two thousand two Bengals who were oh and seven and they were facing the expansion Houston Texans in week eight and they guaranteed victory over the Texans, and he was so disgusted by that that he had multiple articles printed up. And then columnists from the Cincinnati area all fired up about that. And it stops there, and um, just was it there? They didn't need to build the case anymore. He was. So then, yeah, because I was

curious when it began and when it ended. So it started with Seawan Keeler for the Cincinnati Post in September ninety nine, had ended in two thousand two. And then just like you know, these things with West and we missed so much. We had a great weekend together our our California family was Jack's birthday party. So we had a nice little pool party, all of us together, um with our families, Um, Mark, Greg and a bunch of

other people and uh. And then yesterday Lakisha joined my family and j B. Long of the Rams and his family and we were at this concert in the park was real nice. It was real nice family. And I got to the last page of the dossier and and I see that he actually had printed out UM in two thousand and fifteen. The thing I'm most proud of writing on the website is the power Rankings, Enough Powerings,

the Pain Rankings. And he never told me this. The one thing he did tell me, and it always stuck with me because you guys know, nothing was better than getting a compliment from Chris. And he had told me how he really liked how the Pain Rankings column came out was like a seven part series and he really liked a writing and that meant a lot to me. And sure enough he had printed it out all the cas and he had underlined and highlighted things from the

Pain Rankings. And he never mentioned that to me. I didn't know that he had kept it in his own files and like saved all the different things he liked. And when he got to the Bengals, he had notes in the margins to talk about the things he agreed with and didn't agree with. And that was just like that got me um and uh made me pretty emotional

this morning, and I called the Keisha right away. But I just think it's an amazing okay, coincidence you want to call it, But is there something more at play with this? Because this was in a garbage can. We had not brought up the dossier in probably a year on this podcast. I would guess something like that. It just wants to come up randomly. On Wednesday's show the

same day, Lakisha had a very difficult task. And what's been the year of difficult tasks, which is, you know, we all had to go to the office in Culver City and clear out our desks for the move to Englewood, and West's desk was there the whole time, and you know, we all looked at it, and I did, and it was and and and that was one of Lakisha's things she had to do was go through that desk, and

that day we talked about it. She found this, didn't know what it is, through it out, but happened to listen to the podcast and was able to retrieve it. And this is the most treasured document in the history of the Around the NFL podcast and now it is safe forever. How about that story, we have to go back. Erica, you know was not around with the podcast back then. Lakisha was not around with the podcast back then. When

that doss first come back came out. I would love to go find that up because it was it was so West. It's so hilarious. I think we believed him that he had the dossier, like of course we believed him, um, but it was just like amazing to see it in person. Uh, And it doesn't surprise me all the highlighting and all the notes, like that's something I've gotten from West, Like everything he read his books, they're all underlined, they all

have notes in the margin. For him reading, it was very much like a participatory sport, which is so cool and and you're right, it's crazy, like if Keisha doesn't listen to that, she said she basically got back there minutes before they were like closing down for the day and letting employees back in and then and then that was and here it is. I don't I don't know where we should put that, but that is awesome that

he had the pain rankings in there. Maybe he he had that in there, like it was it was like gonna be more proof if we ever tried to get him back on the Bengals, you know, bandwagon be like, see, Dan, you wrote this back back then. I am not going back on the bandwagon. Yeah, And I told I asked Lakisha, Um, you know, I saw her permission on it because I wanted to show it to the audience that are watching on YouTube and if we put it up on social but I promised to get it back to her because

it belongs with Lakisha and in the Westling House. But that was really nice. And I do I mean, listen an episode by the way it might I wouldn't be our very first, our very first season when we first did that. Yeah, and I know, you know, Lakisha is a spiritual person and West we've talked. We talked about it. We saved her for the theology podcast that never came to pass. But he was someone that was searching and and had questions about you know, what it is what

happens after your time on this earth is through? And you know, I have the same questions. I think about that, and then something like that happens, Like I guess it's all coincidence, but I don't know. There have been other things. Um. Lakisha has noted that, you know, butterflies were a symbol between her and West and butterflies have been appearing in her yard. Left and right. They were at your pool party, um, a series of them flying around. I've been seeing them

in my yard. I will say one thing, though, I think when we lose a wonderful friend, you know, sometimes you can tilt to just talking about all the positives. And I just will note on that bengals um folder

and the work he did that. One of the one of the biggest arguments that Wes and I ever got into was when I had them the goal, um, you know, years after that binder had been discussed too, you know, and the Browns were going through their deep hell and it was like, you know, why don't you just dump a team like this, You're wasting your time. And in reverse, I kind of said like, no, you know what, I'm not jumping off my team just because they're going through

some rough some rough patches, some skins. And I kind of insinuated that West had done that, and it was like, listen, if you've ever gotten into a little bit of a tiff with West where he's not going to move one inch on his ground, he basically gave me a look like don't even try it with me, like, my divorce with the Bengals is so absolutely rocked in gold and complete fact, and I'm never never gonna be moved. I said, I'm never watching this topic ever again. So I have

you know. It was there was a lot that went on around that whole Bengals thing. Absolutely, it is certainly a part of the history of this show anyway. So that was that was pretty wild. And UM, we have a nice show coming up today. You you depend on us listeners for UM steady handed takes on the NFL. And that's not typically what happens coming out of Week one of the preseason, where people want to make you know, crazy and and and snap judgments about players and teams

based on a really pretty silly football games. Um, that's not what we're gonna do. But we are gonna try to help by explaining what mattered in Week one of preseason action. UM me, you guys know me. I care about the final scores. I look at those preseasons standings really studying them. But for the most part, Um, the other way to look at it is it's more nuance in terms of figuring out what to take out of

the action rather than being results. UM build as someone who is into the standing so much, Dan, are you aware of the historic streak that one team is on right now, one of the most storied streaks in the history of our sport. Um No, I'm ashamed to say, I don't know where you're going with this. The Ravens this week have a chance to win their nineteenth straight preseason game, tying the all time record set by Vince

Lombardies Packers Um back in the day. They have somehow won eighteen straight preseason games after after Trace McSorley led them to a comeback touchdown late in their game over the weekend. Do you hang a banner for that kind

of achievement? I mean the culture like they might they might hang a banner in some celebration in some ways if you really wanted to kind of study it more unlikely than going seventeen and oh yes, yes, because think of all the I would love to go back and see the ran the moments of third teamers versus third teamers, which is how they won this last game. By the way, they were down in that game and it was like, you know, deep backups who came back to win that game.

But yeah, it's it's the most random thing ever because was a nut and it was a different error. So I'm sure like they had bart Starr like doing QB sneaks. But now some teams do take it more seriously than others, and the Ravens and the Patriots, and there are teams I think that you can see it by who plays their starters. They do take it more serious. So it's a little less random, but still that's it's insane. But basically what we're gonna try to do is Bill Parcel

is one of my favorite Parcels isms. Don't tell me about the labor, show me the baby. No, this is the inverse. We're gonna tell you about the labor. The baby don't matter. We don't care about the baby. Get rid of the baby, send it off to an orphanage. Fine, good luck to you baby, in your life, whatever happens to you. We're also going to bring back the hot butt thermometer. Yes, for NFL head coaches. Who's safe, who's in a little bit of danger, who's butt is on fire?

Going through it one run through thirty two, we're gonna figure that out. Um, who are the who are the coaches to keep an eye on? In terms of job security entering not as many as usual. That's my preview. That's that's my bigger I thought the same thing. We're gonna get into that in a few minutes. But let's start, yes with preseason week one. Everyone in action. You have the Hall of Fame game between Dallas and Pittsburgh, but this was the week where all thirty two kicked off

their um preseason slates. Now it's three games for the first time. It had been four and previous to that six and now it's three and who knows where it goes from here. But so each game matters a lot internally for these teams, and let's share, uh, some things that you really, you know, I should care about the

things that mattered, Greg, get us go. I'll start with the Patriots, you know, quarterback battle, because yeah, it's one of the few positions that's up for grabs with a team that you know, has a chance, I think to make the playoffs this year. And I thought Mac Jones playing with the starting group, that the offensive line starters stayed out there with Mac Jones when he came on for his first series, mattered that, you know, as Bill Belichick has shown throughout this camp, he's giving mac Jones

a legit chance to start. And then, more importantly, I think mac Jones backed up what everyone said about him during training camp. The numbers didn't jump off the page, um, but I think this is one where it really helped

to watch because he just was very comfortable running the offense. Um, made good throws, made good decisions, made quick decisions, and almost the entire camp, everything I'm reading from Greg Bdard and Boston Sports Journal and Tom Curran and all these different writers, Mike, it's like it was all sort of backed up in this preseason game where Cam for the

most part looked good. Um, but it's like a little slower making decisions and there's always like one player like what happened there, and then that Mac Jones looked like he belonged. And I want to take too much from it. It's early, but Ron River and Jack del Real were throwing a lot at both quarterbacks. That really makes a difference. I think invaluating it, that was one team that was blitzeen and doing all this stuff, and mac Jones, I think, really does have a chance to start Week one, and

if he doesn't, he's playing well enough. And if he keeps it up that it's just like he's putting that tape out there to start week three like he he is. He's backing that upwiggy back off that real quick, because I think all the first round rookies had positive starts here. Um, mac Jones, he looks exactly like the type of QUB prospect that Belichick has been looking for since Jimmy Garoppolo and Greg we we talked about it at Saturday's pool party for the young Jack Kansas that you know, New

England's on fire with this guy. I have mixed feelings about this. When when the crowd started going a little two nuts for mac Jones coming in, I'm just like, why does this give me such conflicting feelings? But I think I know why. But anyway, so Mac Jones, he looked like he looked like he's the guy that's gonna

be playing meaningful snaps this year. Um, real quick, I'll just cycle through a Trey Lance with that rollout and then throwing across the field a D yard touchdown justin fields with the t D pass and the t D scramble. After replaced Andy Dalton Zack Wilson after some hiccups in the week leading up to this game. He looked poise led the Jets onto scoring drives against the Giants, and Trevor Lawrence bounced back from that early sack and led

the team. And just, I mean, has anyone passed the look test more than Trevor Lawrence coming into the league. Guy already looks like a star. And maybe that doesn't translate, but I just have no concerns that Trevor Lawrence is not going to continue to get better as his rookie season continues. Lawrence is Lawrence was put under a lot of pressure in that game against the Browns and then he I thought of all the group and it just

there's weeks to go. To me, it was justin fields, just absolutely, Um, You're talking about someone that cannot be suppressed. There's something about the way he throws the ball. And I kind of remember mentioning this on his pro day, but it was paired with Mac Jones, Um, you know, on multiple hour to hour. I just think the way he throws the ball is just something that even like a young child, not you know, a watcher of football, could just see the beauty of it. And the one

thing I liked about him. He got off to a bit of a slow start and he worked his way out of it. And there was a comment that I read in the Athletic from his high school coach, who you know obsessively watches all his stuff. He said, the coach's name is Matt Dick, and he said it felt exactly like always, he kind of gets the feel of things, and then he takes off after that, and you could

just see him grow in confidence throughout that game. And if you're a Bears fan, I mean, you just have not seen this from the quarterback position in decades and decades and decades, and he completely changes the complexion of that team. And here's another guy you know he won't be starting week one. Apparently it's just a matter of time because he is who counter opposite visually and athletically, especially on the move, and what he can do with his legs and how he's so quickly and easily threw

the ball on the move. Andy Dalton is fine, He's fine. That's the ceiling. He can't do any of this stuff like you cannot. The fan base is gonna literally nuts if Justin Fields is sitting on the sideline as he was warming up. That home crowd was going literally crazy. It was going crazy that they have been waiting for this forever. The preseason crowds have been going nuts. I have noticed. I think you know, people missed being at

football games last year. I went to the Rams Chargers even even that crowd was getting into fights and going fairly nuts for like a bunch of backups. Where that fight I was. I'm not aware of that until Twitter the next day. Um, I was not involved with any of those. I was not involved. I was not there. I did Um. We did get on the JumboTron very quickly, which is the big has to be the biggest JumboTron

in the league. That's like wrapping around. It's it's wild. Fields, by the way, I think he has a shock to start with the Mercedes ben Stadium and now this thing, now, this thing now now that they've been about, because it goes all around and it's so big, I think it's it's different, it's bigger. I think Fields has a shot to start week one, but he has to play, he

has to improve each week. He's a you know, he holds the ball forever and and he was making plays and you're right, his arm is just like so obvious. And here you know, he's reminiscent of Russell Wilson a little bit. But he's not going against Matt Flynn to get the starting job, so I think he'll have to kind of like make steps each week. I thought, you know, this was up and down. He made plays, also made uh some some mistakes, but the arm, like like Zack

Wilson's arm. You must have been excited seeing the two third and long completions. Just like seeing the arm strength from Zack Wilson right on the money is like awesome to see. You know, you just you can't really teach that. Tree Lance was the same. Tree Lance probably had the most hiccups, But that was another one that was good to watch because like their offensive line couldn't block anybody, and I think was a reminder to John Lynch, a

we don't necessarily have to start Trey Lance. You know, they did have five I think he had seven drives and they had about four or five first down so he made some really good plays. Um, but like he got killed in that game, Like he got really hard starting defensive line out there, right, He got hit really hard three or four times though if you're first of all, he's got to try to avoid taking some of these hits.

And then secondly, if you're a forty Niners coach or GM, it's like, well, that's why we keep Jimmy garoppolo no matter what, because like, one of those hits could go the wrong way and it was a little scary to watch. Josh Johnson, who was picked up by the Jets, is a veteran to put in that QB room. He's been on thirteen teams in fourteen years. How about that. That kind of goes under the radar how long he's been around,

even if he's never stuck anywhere. Uh. He called Wilson special and he said it reminds him of Aaron Rodgers. So listen, that doesn't mean Zach Wilson's gonna be Aaron Rodgers. But he has that unique arm talent. That's why the Jets fell in love with him, and to hit to them was the clear number two after Trevor Lawrence. How about you, Mark, Um, I want to take a look at the I wanted to see what was going on with Toua, and I saw a different too, at to some degree. Um. He threw a bit of a killer

interception at the end. He tossed it into double coverage in the end zone. But I saw more decisive throws. Um. I would go look at a the rope he threw to Mike Kasiki, who is going to be awesome this season. He was good last year too, Um. But then he had a throw to Mac Hollands, um classics, super right into a tight window. I thought it showed guts, um decisiveness, some of the stuff we weren't seeing last year. And you can and it's hard to tell what that offense

is gonna look like. We know it's different because we've talked to people close to the team on that one. Um, but it's going to be deeper throws, it's going to be more aggressive, And I think that it was a good first step for two. If you're a Dolphins fan, you've been concerned about kind of where he's at mentally and stuff. He looks sharper To me, he looked like he was ready to go, and he made a couple of great throws. They need to get back on the field.

You know, Will Fuller hasn't practiced like alive training camp. That sound familiar. Texans fan DeVante Parker's banged up most of the training game. That sounds familiar. It's like they want to get those guys back on the field. But Fuller not for nothing. And I'm a Will Fuller fan. As a player, he's always, I think been a little underrated. But he he finally stayed healthy last year and I was like, oh, but he didn't finish the season. Oh, he had a p D bust. So it's like, did

he stay healthy because he was on p DS? We don't know, But the fact that he's gone right back to having injury issues. Yeah, two was on my list two mark because uh, he had a three and out and then he completed eight straight passes and Kazaki passes,

a beautiful touch pass that went for fifty yards. As you mentioned, it is a shame that his day ended on the interception because if he if he doesn't make that mistake and he punches the ball in two is a major talking point this week about how big his day is. But if you watched it, you see the positives there. They outgained Chicago two fifteen yards seventy nine in the first half, and I just loved. Then Jake Briskett comes in and it's like a reminder, oh yeah, smart,

smart move by the Dolphins Ryan Fitzpatrick. Let him go elsewhere and get a really steady, non glamorous back up in there so to can be completely free of any of that concern. I just think he's being set up. Well.

I don't know about the co offensive coordinators thing, and I still, even after we talked to Cam Wolfe for a new NFL network reporter that does a lot of Dolphins coverage, I didn't come out of that conversation feeling like like, Oh, they have this figured out, because there's still gotta be somebody the batman to the Robin and somebody Gods. I think not that it makes a huge difference, but I'm I'm pretty sure God sees the one we see the nugget about um having two in Corona time.

I mean, the Cults were without their defensive coordinator this weekend because he was there was some sort of Corona scenario going on. So I would maybe have two of every coach. It just doubled us staff pay for it. And well, but then what happens is if you get two of every coach follow along here Mark at the team facility, all of a sudden you have double the people, and the whole reason you have two of every coach is because the coronavirus. And now you've doubled the capacity

of your building. I mean, maybe you just that defeats the whole purpose. Do you ever think about that in times of the delta variant market? Maybe he didn't follow it through to its final conclusion, but it's not I wouldn't be unnatural to have kind of the one B coach home on zoom doing stuff on zoom. We don't need your physical body with us. That's why they got two Belichicks in New England. Um, that mullet that you tweeted out is looking good on Steve So's if anything happens,

he's committed to it. I'll give him that. What else I'll throw out one? Um of the Broncos offense that I really thought kJ Hamler and then especially Davante Williams have so much juice And this was a wess is Um. The preseason is all about like the rookie running backs because they more than anyone, they they are all about the eye test. Jonathavi Williams was my favorite running back coming into this draft and just seeing him behind that offensive and he's such like a perfect zone like cut

back runner. You could see the vision, you could see the explosion. That is an awesome one to punch with Melvin Gordon, who's banged up again, and it's good to have someone with him. I think Melvin Gordon's weirdly underrated

at this point. And like you can just tell Javonti Williams is gonna be a player and kJ Hamdler, he's a light guy, but he, in theory, is their fourth receiver, and I mean he has got jets not you know, he had the eight yard touchdown and there's another couple of plays there where like he is someone that's sort

of uncomfortable in these training camp practices. And if you just line up all the weapons, man, it's almost like they're too good to fail that I know, I'm not gonna go crazy that lock in Teddy played great against backups, playing fairly vanilla like it's to me, it's just like Hamdler and Javonte Williams are a reminder that they go seven eight deep of pretty fun weapons there. The Broncos.

I'm all in on the Broncos. Making the playoffs sounds familiar but no, you're right, You're right, this is all set up. They're set up well for a ten or eleven one season of being one of the a f C wild cards. If they could just get steady play out of quarterback, right, they can survive. And they can

survive an injury or two. You know, they had a lot last year, and it's like they can lose the tight end, they can lose the receiver, they can even lose the running back and they still have Like, even for a pessimist like me with that QB room, the ceiling for Drew Lock and Teddy Bridgewater is to me steady play. So like it's not out of like the uh realm of outcomes here that they play well to

their abilities within this offense surrounded by good talent. So yeah, I think if you're a Denver fan, you have a lot of reasons to be optimistic, even though in the back of your mind you're wondering if you've been left vulnerable again by the decision. There is a world to where we're Lock is someone we just don't know yet that maybe he makes even more of a leap beyond steady. I don't see that yet, but I will say something. I thought he threw the ball really well in that game.

It's a small sample size, but the whole quarterback scenario looked a little cleaner than it has in a while in Denver. But you know against they were well, no, it's not against first teamers. I'm just saying that. That's why I went with the scale guys. I went with the skill guys because I really do think you could see Javan and Handler and be like, oh, those guys are funny. There's another world where they both threw two

interceptions and everyone's melting. They were. They were clean and steady, which is all we're asking for. Um. Oh, my favorite part of the summer with these preseason games is that a lot of the games are covered by local TV. Um. You don't have national networks covering this game. So to build out a broadcasting roster, you got all sorts of people coming from all over the place. And the Minnesota Vikings, Uh, they had a I don't know actually who it is,

and the question asked is not a bad one. Although what I'm getting at overall is that sometimes you have people that aren't really equipped to be handling NFL coverage doing NFL coverage but in this case, the question was fine enough. It was Zimmer's answer that just reminded me a hy. I like Mike Zimmer a lot and be why some guys get what the preseason is about and some guys maybe don't. Zimmer gets it and he keeps it real play that back, but there were some good

change to it. And you saw at the end of the half, what did you tell you guys? Tell them was a very poor performance. We're gonna scrimmage next week with this same bunch because we didn't tackle well, that we hadn't made the wrong checks on defense with the safety's we're throw an interception for a touchdown. UM to go three and out the first two series, terrible punks

and saw other than that, it's com great. He's not gonna he's not going to humor the uh no, the sideline interviewer and go along with the line of questioning. He was not happy with the first half of the Minnesota Vikings. He was given a total softball and he

completely refused to play ball. Well, while we're while we're talking preseason, UM announcers, I do have something that I don't know if we're gonna do it weekly, but I'd like to call it my uh the ron a fully moment of the week from the great Cardinals preseason announcer Horse for you. That was just every doubt, you know what, Honestly, I wish I had one on right now, so I'd let you pull it down over the bridge of my nose. Get a little blood flowing up here automatic first down.

It needed a little context and it went back too far, but he was talking about just having a helmet on, and and uh as announcer was like, oh, yeah, you should have one on too. He's like, yeah, I wish someone would just, you know, slam that helmet over the bridge. That I know is the comments come with no context actually, so you'll just get that really cracked me up because the guy's response was like, alright, setting up for first down.

He had no response to just wanting a lot of blood on all over him in the booth like that Andrew w k album cover just woefully just covered in his own blood. Anything anything else, I have a quick one. I don't think I've talked about the browns um in ages because it's like every everything, no, no, I want to tell you about. I don't know if there is a well, it's just I don't think there is a more buzzy player that I've experienced in Brown's Brown's camps.

It's maybe back when like Josh Cribs started to become a star. Donovan People's Jones has been written up day after day as someone who is as a wide receiver, maybe the future of that wide receiver room, because they're gonna have like thirty million tied up in their veterans next season. Beckham, I'm not sure that he'll be back, but People's Jones has made plays every game or every practice, and in the game he did the same thing against

the Jaguars. Another guy, their second round rookie who could have been a first rounder, linebacker Jeremiah a Wosu Coamoa joke Um. Look to me, it kind of was had a Micah Parsons field to me his speed cloth go watch a play. Whe had a clothe. He he came in like on four yards. It took him like maybe a second to travel four yards. Looked like kind of a like a maddened guy on super Jets are super engines.

I don't know. It was exciting to watch, Like I think he's going to be a big part of that defense. He didn't play a ton in that game, but his role as expanding It was out for like ten days because of Corona and has come back and looked incredible to me. Fifteen and two, sixteen and one. Where do you see you know, I'm not saying that. It's just that, you know, finally after like eighteen thousand terrible years, draft some young guys that are developing, Like, it's about time.

D p J. As I call him, is my Elijah Moore this summer where it's like all the Beat reporters are on fire about it. I'm looking at the depth chart there. Beckham obviously is the big mystery piece there. Um, he's coming back from the A C. L. Jervis Landry. He's been a great signing uh by Cleveland and and he'll continue to be locked and loaded. There you got Richard Higgins, Like, where does is people's jones gonna you think get enough playing time to make the impact that

he can. Well, I'm not calling him like, I don't think he's someone you go draft like high up in fantasy or something. It's just you know, coming out of Michigan, it was like there were a lot of people loved his athleticism and then into what they get from him last year. He started to make plays down the stretch and it's like he's just completely picking up where he left off. So I can see his role just expanding. It's also like he's a second year player. There may

be no Beckham next year. I mean, I think he will be a starter next season. Makes sense. M makes a lot of sense. David and Joku hype there. There's a lot of hype for the for the depth of the brown If if we're wrapping up here, I'll just go quickly. Nelville Gallimore is the best defensive tackle on the Cowboys and is now out six weeks with like a broken elbow. Like that already was a major problem for them. They've had some bad luck just as they're

getting some of their bigger name UM guys back. And then we should point out, like the Colts quarterback battle, which we've been bagging on the whole time, Jacob Eason probably had more great throws this week than any of those rookie quarterbacks we've mentioned. It's just I I he's the type of quarterback I always I'm wrong about. He's like the Mike Glennon Zach Mettenberger, He's gonna throw like four throws a game where you're like, oh my god,

that was amazing. But you can see why, like Frank Reich likes him, and supposedly that was better than any practice he's ever had, which you know, that's kind of what you want out of out of them. He he came out and he made some awesome throws. He he's gonna miss a few and then and then Ellinger come in, Like you know from people who have watched them a lot of Texas, they were like, that's better than any game he ever had at Texas. Like they both played

great in that game. I would say, compared to expectations. If I'm a Cults fan and I'm almost worried that, like, if they play too well, any thought of picking up another veteran is out the window and it could be fool's gold. I tend to think it won't go as well. The next two weeks, the Panthers were playing deep backups and they were not one of those teams that were

sending blitz is and doing all sorts of stuff on defense. Well, I was just gonna say, like the the culture total mystery, with the quarterback situation, because you've heard the reports out there. I think it was some j Glazer that the to twelve week timetable for Carson Wentz might be closer to five and then if you if you apply that, maybe he's right there up against week one or close to it.

But then the owner, Jim mercy um came out uh this past week and said, then we're not gonna rush Wentz back to play, And I think that certainly carries some weight and tells you maybe something. So we don't really know how long. I think that's maybe why I'm a little hands off on the whole like what's going on with the Cults backups, because I'm not totally sure how much it's gonna matter, and because it all depends

on when Wentz comes back. Well, to me, it matters because if he got Wentz gonna stay healthy even even when. But but if Easton, if Easton plays two more weeks like that, there's no doubt they're not going to get a veteran. And there there he's gonna start Week one. He he did everything he could in that game. Just I don't know what veteran is. They're gonna go get off the street, that's gonna play better than he did yesterday.

And Jim Rcy, the owner of the team, I mean, this is out of context, but he had a quote that I saw on Good Morning Football where basically he talked about Sam Ellinger and as a team kind of finding Tom Brady late in the draft, that maybe that's what's happened to us. Again, they have talked about Ellener

as being like super super buzzy. I'm not I'm not saying Dan that I think that this is like this is the next time I know it doesn't interest me, Like the owner saying the seventh round pick is Tom Brady, Like the whole Colts quarterback thing is so murky to me that I'm just like, I don't know. I'm more attaching it to like when they say that Ellinger has, you know, high up executives buzzing inside the building. To me, there's something going on there where you know they're they're

not looking for a veteran. They must like these two guys more than the average person. Seems given him first team reps throughout this week and he might get the start in Week two. So he even though Easton played well, he sounds like Ellener has a chance that to be ahead of crazy Um And I kind of left the door open for you there, Greg, But since you didn't mention, I'll just ask you outright, does it matter because we're trying to decide what matters in Week one of the

pre season, But the Saints had six turnovers on offense. No, that's not great. I don't think I don't think that one matters. I mean, we just have it seems so flukey. It seems so flukey's mostly fumbles and stuff, and that just would be nice if you're a Saints fan for some good news to be coming out of you know that world. You know, I have some good news for you. The little little Jordan Humphrey, one of our favorites in the show six ft four actually correct, like Um showed

up played well. I mean, they're gonna need these guys to to do it, and like little Jordan is is my dude right now, I mean the one that could have, they could They were just a quarter away from ending the most storied streak in sports right now. The Ravens preseason, there was only one interset Wait, how many interceptions? There was? Only I was a couple of interceptions each had one.

How about this used to be little Jordan Humphrey. Can we maybe I don't want to take away little because I understand that he probably has a lot of connections to it. There could be some personal connections to family and everything, but maybe just for the rest of us, because he is indeed six ft four. What is the average height of an American male? What? Five eight? Five nine? No? Five eleven? Perhaps eleven. Yeah, we've we've been skyrocketing disturb

average American male height five ft nine. That makes sense to me, Greg, Where did you get your information from? What? Like? Did you where did? That's always getting tired. So if you just go like forty and under his age group, I'm not giving up on this. Why did you correct us and then admit that it was just a guess? I mean it was it's everything's a guest. Well, no, that was Wait, so Dan, you're going to attempt to change his name or ask him to change his name.

Is that where you were going to we can go, well, I'll work on It'll workshop it because you could so you could also call him not so little Jordan Humphrey. Okay, I just perhaps he doesn't want you to workshop it. But I guess it's also you. Jordan Humphrey is available to come on the show. Maybe I'll run it by him. Maybe it'll be good sport about it. Maybe he'll take events to it. That's the way to do it. Yeah,

I'll put the ask out Erica. By the way, remember I asked you to make the document whenever we have a guest on the show, and then we have some notes like whether we like the guests, whether we want them back or um. Like Cam Wolfe was on the show excellent guest, a hit and quick guests, we're gonna want him back. We had somebody else on recently, Matt Burrows excellent. Have you actually been keeping this document? I have.

But but the thing is is like we've only had like one or two that are like on my no flies my no fly list, you know what I mean. I when I asked this, for us to build out an actual document so we can go back to it whenever it's like, oh there's uh the Seahawks are in the news. Okay, let's get Sean Dugard like that guy was great, right, So what I'm what I'm saying is can you work on the dock because I kind of get the feeling you've been kind of every time I

say that, you go, yeah, yeah, I got it updated. No, I have a doc. Yeah, I can send it to you. I mean I think it could be a shared one that we could all. You could probably share it on the screen, right you could share the dock right now. No, it's on my other computer right now, so I can't. That's like for the kids to google docs. Don't don't

transfer computers at all. When we were kids, when we were going to school in the eighties and nineties, it was like the old dog gate my homework type thing. Now the kids say, oh, it's on my other laptop. Yeah. Erica is like, this will take me three minutes to make and then I'll put it back up. And no, I actually I literally do have it somewhere. I want to know who's on the no fly list, although I do know at least one of the names, you know the no fly list. I like that, Um, all right,

there you go. That's what's happening in week one of the preseason. That's what mattered, unless there was something anybody else had, like a lightning nugget they wanted to throw out. And I think we're moving more into not mattering territory, so maybe we just, you know, just because we missed it timing wise, and we're not doing news, we're shot. Bateman being out the first three weeks of the season is definitely matters for the Ravens. I should when I

was mentioned to keep winning the preseason games. Then it's not an issue for anyone in general, and there are exceptions to the rule. I guess Odell Beckham is a perfect exception to the rule. He missed all of training camp in the first month of his rookie season with the Giants and then was a superstar upon impact. But in general I always get very nervous any type of skill player that misses summers with an injury or mrs. The beuning of scenes very hard for these guys to

catch up, it seems like. And then the next summer trope alert it's that same rookie entering a second year. I finally have a chance to make an impact and feel great, a chance to catch up. Yeah, I hope that doesn't have with Bateman, but do you worry about that? And the Ravens need Bateman to make an impact, so that is that's a big story to track, all right, also worth tracking our butts. You gotta be careful in today's day and age. It's not you shouldn't be tracking

all butts. No, no, no, that's inappropriate, right. Worry about your own butt. It's a good one thing to live by. Um, be careful. I've got Courts of Thunder. You came up with that name, Courts of Thunder. You know my tennis podcast, it's been great. I mean it's this occasional on the big, big, the big tournaments. We got the US Open coming up here. But Mark had I think that we talked about that on the podcast. Is not accurate? Not accurate. Well, you

can just take that out or beat it out. Absolutely not accurate. There's no blog that existed of that nature, not run by me and edit point here. All right. So you worry about your own but that's important. But in our capacity as a professional football analysts, we have to worry about the butts of the thirty two NFL head coaches more specifically. And I feel like it's important to be more specific at this point in the conversation on the segment, Uh, their job security, how hot is

their butt? And I don't mean that in you know, what are the buns like or like when Marxi's Kevin Stefanski, He's talking about it in a different context. I'm talking about when you're sitting on a seat and the seat is getting hot. Hot seat, hot butt, hot butt rankings right now on the Round the NFL podcast. And by the way, this is too hot for NFL dot Com. I wrote this column in two thousand nine. And you

know how it works in our our little world. Typically, if you write something, then the budget comes back around the next year and you find that you have all these things lined up again for a new year. For some reason, the hot butt rankings slipped off that list of old zuser Simmons, Well, what was the explanation to how are you giving one? It's it was too much for the reader hot, but was too hot for dot com. But right here on the Round the NFL podcast just

the perfect amount of heat. We can get away with a lot more on this podcast. Just in general. I appreciate that. Oh yeah, I mean I've had like the corrections you get on some of this stuff you attempt to write. It's like, all right, I will be I'll simply be writing for a nine year old audience in the podcast, I can just say people are the average heights five eleven and yeah, sometimes it slips through, sometimes

it doesn't. Tall Greg, I really thought it was. Well, when you're as short as me, it's like everything over five nins the same. I never know who's taller not, it's just like, oh, they're they're taller. I know. I think the more issue with Craig that you've introduced it to Dan and I as like rock seller, you guys are wrong. It's actually five eleven, and it's just that's the problem right there. Okay, alright, so we'll break it

down into categories here. Okay, So what what we're trying to do is figure out which coach is ultimately the goal here. And it's not something we celebrate, but it's our job to figure out who's in the most danger as a head coach and to be fired. Because every Black Monday, as it's called the monday after the regular season ends, uh and sometimes in the days and weeks leading up to the final game of the season, and sometimes sometimes in week six. Never last year. So anyway,

most things happened right after the season. But these things happen, they could happen in the middle of the year. A week or two later. I think Doug Peterson got popped. Um, a couple of weeks after the season ended. But anyway, there are seven new coaches this year, so there's gonna be turnover. There's no way to You can't just put your head in the sand on this and be like, oh no, we we everything's gonna work out. Every year about four to eight coaches, we'll get dismissed and replaced. UM,

so let's start there. So there are seven new coaches for the For the process of this exercise, we view them as safe. I mean, it happens every now and then. A coach is one and done. But in the case of Arthur Smith with the Falcons, Dan Campbell with the Lions, David Culley with the Texans, Urban Meyer with the Jaguars, Brandon Staley with the Chargers, Robert Sala with the Jets, Sala Sala, and Nick Sirianni with the Eagles, we kind

of keep him out of this situation. But I do want to say this, boys, and you tell me what you think. For some reason, Nick Sirianni, I get a little worried about and Cully especially I worry how the Texans view him organizationally, whether he's part of the future just to handle this mess. I wonder if this is a year where we get a one and done. I think with Culley, the environment is so you know, volatile

that the outcomes it is unpredictable. I think though, you know, the one thing I heard during the Eagles broadcast was that Jason Kelsey really talked up Nick Sirianni. Now I understand he's answer in a question to the media and he's not gonna say something negative, but it kind of threw me because a lot of the kind of clunky press or stuff UM is in the rear view mirror

and it's not been the player's experience with him. So maybe, you know, first of all, I think the Eagles are a little bit better than people realize, like roster wise, especially on offense, and like, you know, maybe maybe it's not a disaster. I'd be surprised that they bump him after one year, because Lorie is pretty patient UM, and I think they basically said we're in a new era, which it's not a rebuild, but it's Sirianni is not expected to win the Super Bowl this year. It's It's

tough to lose your job after one year. Almost never happens. Chat Zynski was was one? Um, who's the last? If it feels bad to speculate before they even you know, uh, coach a game. The only way it does happen, I think is if the entire front, like ownership blows up everything. It could that happen in Houston or Philly, sure if everything went crazy, but it would that those would Both of those would would shock me. These guys do get for Ricky. Can you look up and I'm really put

you on the spot today, Ricky, And I'm sorry. I know it was you had a fun weekend yourself. Um, so I apologize. Can you find out who's the last coach? Who is one and done? Um? In the NFL? Was it Chip Kelly with the Niners? But Chance made two years? I think now he marks right? It was one year? I think. So well, let's see if that's indeed the most recent guy. All right, So then, and you guys you mentioned it, Greg. Now we're gonna talk about the

guys that feel safe, very safe. And this year, Greg, it does feel like that that list is longer than in past years. I I feel like half the league is more than half the league. I only you know, we put into tears and in the final two tiers, which is like you're kind of interrupt, what are your what are your names for it? It's like too hot to touch close, you know, the final two spots where I would say they're in a little bit of danger here only added up to seven names for me and

only three in the total bottom tier. So to me, I think the vast majority of the league has to feel has to feel pretty good. And I'm just remembering the Cardinals coach who got fired after one year. Steve has helped us out with that. Steve Wilks was one

and done with the Cardinals. Steve Wilks also, according to this site, the one and done club coaches since two thousand, Chip Kelly forty Niners was one, Mike uh yep, Tom Seula forty Niners, Malarkey with the Jaguars, Hugh Jackson with the Raiders, Jim Mora with the Seahawks, Cam Cameron with the Dolphins, Art Shell with the Raiders, Schottenheimer with the uh with the Washington football team. You know, the ownership hasn't changed with San Francisco, but it wasn't still long ago.

They were a mess. So I think they fired Chip Kelly after one year and put on put in Tom Seula, right, and he got one year and then they fired him like that one hardcore unrest in an organization. And we have a friend who's very tight with Tom Sula, who, uh, that's pretty good. I mean, it's it sucks to get fired after one year and it's your dream job and you hope to have it forever. But he had like two or three years left on his contract and he just made a ton of money sitting on his butt.

The forty Niners are a very strange franchise in the last thirty years. They're either like one of the best teams in the league with Jim Harbaugh or a total nightmare. Like so, Mark, for your guys that are safe, what's your list, I'm just curious what your list is. I mean, it's like talking totally safe. It's like eighteen nineteen people.

I mean, it starts with Bill Belichick. It's got the Andy Reid's, Sean Payton, Sean the Three Shawn's, Sean McDermott, Sean McVeigh, John Harbaugh, Frank Reich, Ron Rivera, Matt Rules, Kevin Stefanski, Matt Lafleur, Brian Flores, Bruce Arians, John Gruden, Mike Tomlin, Called Shanahan, Mike Rabel, Joe Judge, m I I have some major disagreements there. Interesting one one would be I have Joe Judge in my second to last category, have to maybe he should be if if the if

the season goes really wrong category. Now that I'm thinking

about it, I'm gonna him. But isn't that bad that uh that's the um well, I'm looking at it like if if a three win season happened, which which guys could be a surprise, and to me, Joe Judge, you could throw them into that mix because the Giants act like they're um all about continuity and classy and stuff, but no one's gone through coaches faster than them really over the last uh you know, six years, you know with Macadoo, and it's it hasn't been it hasn't been

great and and just because of drama could happen, I would at least put him, if I'm gonna put him in the middle category, at least if something went really wrong, and I I would maybe even throw like Rule and Tomlin in that one too. If things went crazy? Rule has a ten year contract? Does he ten years? Also? I don't. I don't think that. I thought it was some extensively long it was a huge contract. Hold on, that's it, so Greg so seven are you're right? That's

that's crazy movies. You should be saved, should be safe. And then we have first degree, second degree and third degree burns. So I have um Joe Judge in first degree as well. No, you have moments in the second agree you're saying, But I have him. Yeah, I thought about it, Jason Garrett, I would put in fifth degree right now. He might not make it through the regular season. You could see him being kind of a sacrificial lamb um. But that's not the same as the hot coffer at

the head coach. Did I call him the hot coach? Well, here's the thing I know, Like, for instance, Peter Schreeger, who's plugged in with a lot of teams. I remember Schreeger talking late last season how much the Giants love Joe Judge in turns, that's what I just said. I mean the ownership cloth over Joe. So I just think i'd be a hard right turn. But I guess my.

My thoughts on it are they had an unsuccessful season last year and if they struggled again badly this year, and something I think I talked about on the podcast last week. Uh maybe it was the network show. Just the idea of his style of coaching. If he starts to rub guys the wrong way, um, and you in that media market where people start chirping and you have some unnamed sources and that becomes a sinking ship. With the Giants after two years with a GM, they're probably

gonna get rid of. If it's a bad season with a quarterback, they're gonna dump. Would they end up going down the route of let's reboot the machine? And I think Judge is vulnerable in that state. So that's why I kind of keep him out of the safe territory because he's in a little bit more of a volatile situation.

My other first degree guys, Um, I have Fangio there and I just I don't know, just because the Broncos obviously it's an important year for them and their ex even oh there's quarterback situation, there's a lot of question marks. I think there's expectations there and how many years has he been there now is this is this is his third his third year. I mean, if you not, a lot of coaches UH last three years without making the playoffs.

So I think it's an important year for him, and I think their playoff chances are coin flip at best. Um I had. I know this is crazy, but I did have John Gruden first degree. Not that I don't think it would happen, but I know the Raider and it's not Al Davis anymore. It's his son, and it's

a less temperamental world. But if the season really went bad, and I don't know about this Raiders team of the season really went off the rails and things were going really poorly, could John Gruden at least be a discussed And then my last name I had in first degree

was Pete Carroll. Um for all the reasons we've talked about this summer that if if things go sideways with Russell Wilson again and the organization has to decide between the thirty two year old superstar quarterback and then early seventy year old head coach, uh, it makes sense who wins that battle. We were very similar and on that sense, I had Pete Carroll and we're talking at things when absolutely nightmarish and you know, Wilson's out the door or

something like that. I had fonio. UM. I put Mike Zimmer in there just because I don't know, um, if if it were an absolute disaster, maybe they finally move on there. And I put Mike McCarthy because I understand that, you know, we've got our great ball coach and all

this other business. But if they go if they had a horrific season in the NFC East and you've got Jerry Jones thinking this is what I think this team is and Mike McCarthy delivers like a steaming egg, um, I could see them making a change the steaming egg. That's gross. I'm with you, I am. I really wrestled with McCarthy um, and I ended up putting him in second degree. Him here Zimmer as well, just because Zimmer's he's been there a long time and they have a

lot of issues there. Um. And then I have Cliff Cliff Kingsbury in a second degree as well. Yep, that's that's my exact second degree as well. I have McCarthy Zimmer. I think I think they probably need to have winning records, you know, need to have things go well, and Cliff Kingsbury's maybe in that same category, uh, whereas it basically his offense needs to be good. If they went eight and nine or nine and eight and like Kyler plays well, I think he'd be okay. Um, he's an offensive coach.

The one big disagreement I have I had your exact same third degree, Dan, though, is I have Fangio in in uh your butts on fire? Um third degree. I just think he's in a winner else year. There's a new GM there. I love Fangio. I think if his defense shows up and he's a top five defense and they're a good team, he'll be fine. But I think he is close to as much of a win or else mandate as any coach in the league. John Elway is basically out of the building. He's the guy who's

hired Fangio. By by our reports on NFL network, Elway's job is essentially ceremonial. And there's there's new ownership, which is coming one of the messiest stories in the NFL, one of I think probably right up there um for the league with Deshaun Watson. UM. I think the Broncos ownership situation might be like the story number one that is on the League offices radar right now in terms of being a problem for the NFL, So that could be changing. You have a new GM and you're in

your third year, so you're right. Coaches almost never get a fourth year unless they make the playoffs. So I think Fangio, I love them. I think they'll be good, but if they don't win, I would expect him to lose it. Third degree burns do we We're all in agreement here, Naggie and Zach Taylor it right, It seemed like an easy those that was my list was Taylor,

Naggie in Fangia. Yeah, I guess. Yeah. The reason I had Naggie and Taylor it just they just seem in a whole other place where they are, you know, they

need results. I guess Fagio it does. Two. It just feels like a little bit more of a desperation situation with Taylor, who over two years, nobody really knows what to make of them, And if they have a bad year and the borrow doesn't progress, it makes all the sense in the world actually to kind of hit refresh on that organization and Naggy we talked about this forever, so there's no real reason to dig into deep. The only way Naggie's job is saved is if Justin Fields

I think, has a big time rookie season. Otherwise you would think the Bears are going to move on. But then again, they've been very patient with Naggie over the past couple of years, and I think if things went let's say Fields was, you could see it, but the coaching staff wasn't able to deliver it. Sometimes like the new quarterback buys new life for the GM and for the coaching staff, but it could be the opposite. If

someone somewhere in Chicago. I don't think their ownership seems to involved to me on some level kind of hands off, but they were like, wait a minute, we have this precious jewel. We've got the wrong people surrounding them. Blow the whole thing up, right. I mean, if you think about that last draft class um with you know, with with Lamar. Obviously Harbaugh was fine, but like Donald, a

couple of coaches, Baker a couple of coaches like it. Yeah, the the new you know, Josh Rosen got you know, as part of getting his coach fired, like the new quarterback doesn't necessarily keep your job there you go. So, yeah, this is it does feel like a time of um

relative come. But we named it like for me anyway, I have nine coaches that are at some level of danger and you know, the only thing that could happen because you know who knows, but like the only thing I could happen some of those coaches we label is safe. Something could change, whether there's things we don't know going on behind the scenes with power struggles, or maybe a season really goes off the rails and you know there's some again, something bad happens in a in a meeting

between the bosses. It's like things can change, But it just does feel like a time where there's so many guys that are really anchored with the organization UM and then even guys like Hi Matt Rule coming off so so first season, but his job security is built into his contract. Same thing with John Gruden. Uh, he's entering

I believe, year four of a ten year deal. So do the Raiders, even if they are not really even if they have buyer's remorse at the end of this year, are they going to swallow the pill of paying a guy for six years on top of paying a new coach of salary and those things coming to play as well. I take back what I said about Rule. That was wrong. I forgot about this the seven years thing. I was just thinking seven years. I was just thinking if it went really south and temperts and that, what are we

doing here? What Matt Rule is? First of all, Matt Rule. Like most people a year ago thought the Panthers are gonna win one game in the league. He did a good job. I'm not saying this is where and he's gonna learn this if you know, Donald needs to work because if he didn't, that's back to back years. He went out of his way to give two year commitments to quarterbacks that don't work, and that that is a tough way to start your coaching career. But the the

seven year deal should save them. They also like look at like they had a chance. They could have gone and got justin fields. It could have pursued a rookie, and they pursued Sam Donald. I think that kind of thing, optics wise, could create a huge mess. We shall see good stuff good another big another big week for around the NFL. We'll be back on Thursday with another podcast. The Television show Wednesday airing this week Wednesday on Wednesday?

How about that Wednesday on NFL Network, the Around the NFL broadcast. We heard from a shadowy league figure that our telecast that aired ahead of the preseason kickoff between the Washington football team and Patriots on Thursday did a nice number. That's well, I mean the radians have been to the roof. I mean, it's find it to some degree. We're carrying the network through this busy month. If you wanted to look at it. I'm not joke it did.

I heard the number television. That's that's a bit right. I am hearing other what other things that were? I mean, yeah, put us on, put us on the primetime dad, you know six, put us on six six to seven pm Eastern before a game. This is where this show belongs. We need more, more of it. Please, maybe we should take these comments actually to a shadowy league figure. Let's just passive aggressively mentioned in the podcast minute nine, what a career we are carving out all right, good stuff.

Thank you too, Ricky for doing all that work today. And she's working. She's scrambling on her own dossier now, building out that guest template. I really I'm happy about that, and I'm proud to have you with us. Dan is like the coaches, like she's really going to tune out now if we keep pushing her. Yeah, thank you, Dan. That was really that. We're just like looking forward to the very genuine if nothing else. Yeah, exactly. It felt

so heartfelt and really really great. Great, well, okay, back to it, Rank, thank you, and we'll be back at it again on Wednesday on the television on Thursday in your Ears podcast style. Until then, he's a call M. S.