Under the Radar MVP Candidates; Gronk Comeback Talk

one way to put it. Another way it is when we do our live hits on Network, Greg likes to put on the jacket and then not used. People on the third floor be like, oh this guy he's got he's got live potential, Like who's the human pulled out of the West Anderson films on the left. Don't dress for the job, you have dress for the job. Many hits where you're you're much better dressed than I am and mixes up Well find me one. Yeah. I don't

know if I put Dan in that category. Good nice stresser, but I don't know how many times you wouldn't say are you wearing the same shirt as Craig is? Color blind? Sweet Marks first common to me was we're wearing the same shirt. Another reason put on the coach that made

sense with the coat for that reason. So for the minute and a half that we run on, I mean we yeah, we got our We got both of our shirts from the Generic Man of two thousand nineteen checkered collection, Like who doesn't have Generic whites magazine had a really nice good publiction clothing line. Uh, Lindsay, I was going through some of the history of Lindsay on the Around the NFL podcast, which is just comb through the archives. Is very rich here, Yes, that's color also rich history

of Kelleen. But um, a couple of episodes back. This is probably your fifth or six, maybe seventh time on the show. Remember there was the Lindsay Rhodes maternity leave extravaganza. That was one of the all time favorite Lindsay appearances. That's with your second child, right, Okay, don't remember deep into probably we were waiting for a brief amount of time. Yeah, I think that was like my last day before I did go, And it's just an indicator that was memorable. Dude.

Do you remember it now? Yes, exactly. We we all have a you know, combined not with each other. But we have eight children, and uh how many since we started working together? You started an NFL win two eight? Wow, all these children have showed up since we all got to know each other. How we've been able to work together for so long. I mean you and I also weren't married when you started here, so you did things in that correct order. Dude, did it the right way? Yeah,

did the right way. Technically. I brought a baby with me to ship. Yeah, but we had just men, just met the baby, just bet Dan and the baby. She was, you know, just the baby. But um, so, yes, the history is rich, Lindsay, and we're happy to have you back. Thank you. I'm happy to be here. You're sitting in the West chair because Chris Westling is on his honeymoon. Uh down in Mexico. I believe, yes, Puerto Biorta is that in Mexico. I believe that's where Yes, I believe

that's where it is. You know that's where it is. Well, we also we when he comes back, he has a lot to talk about because we group purchased him west a big, nice massage, so we'll have to see how that went for him. I saw about that on Instagram. Yeah, which there was a text chain going back and forth, and the idea is this something because you never know with West what he likes and what he'll be like, Hey, I'm open for anything, or what he'll be like. I'd never do that. I'm a man. So it was kind

of a coin flip. But I think he I was kind of at a pocket this weekend, but he enjoyed it. What was his response? I missed everything on that. Gisa said that he was on Instagram. I believe he was considering now getting monthly massages. That seems there you go, he nailed it. Uh so um, happy honeymoon to the lovely Westling couple. Uh. Coming up on today's show with the Great Lindsay Rhodes of NFL Network. And if you don't know, Lindsay, first of all, you're a monster. How

are you not watching our program? Responsible to not know is we're talking about the face of NFL Network. That's uh, well, you know eyes and Okay, Eisen maybe is like, you know, the guy he was the first person to say words on this platform. Yes, he is the face, but I'm talking about the more day to day NFL network. What's going on, Lindsay is always there because she is the

host of NFL Total Access. She's the sucker who will show up every single flagship, the flagship program of NFL Network, which she co hosts with UH, Scott Hanson and you guys, UM do great work. So you check that out. And in honor of that, UM, on today's show, we'll do another tradition with Lindsay, which is some t A topicals we have UH with Lenz also coming up on today's show. Under the Radar NFL and m VP candidates. So everybody knows that the names that always get bandied about is UH,

this guy's the m v P, usually a quarterback. UM. But we're gonna throw out some names and it's not gonna be anything preposterous. It's gonna be people that UM, it should make sense as soon as that person says it. When we go around the horn. Oh yeah, I can see that it's a possibility, so not so far under the sitar that you know we would be. He's three

main plausible like Matt Paradise. You know, he's not going to be the m v P. I know he might anchor the offensive line UH this year, but he's not going to be somebody that you're gonna throw out there no offensive linement is everyone the Associated press most like that. You're following that up like that was hold on in case any of you actually are still on the train for Matt to win. This a word, but before we

do that, let's do some news. Everyone's gonna say something, you know when right now, oh, you're awful pig, But when he went to Super Bowls, everyone's gonna, oh he was a great That's just how life works, well, said say Kwon Barkley, who was commenting on his new teammate, a rookie passer Daniel Jones. That included, like my least one of my least favorite things in sports media, which

is the over eager, too loud, too soon laughter. That would never they would never be laughing that much in real life off of that con But it was like, that's just how life works. I know. I will say that you're right. Sometimes journals when athlete actually kinda is light and jovial, maybe you get over eager. But then you gotta remember these journals also deal with people like

Tack McKinley in Atlanta. I don't know if you saw his recent post press conference where he gave um eighth straight I'm good, that's good, it's good answers, and then walked off. So when somebody is actually giving you a fun line, I could see they get a little over eager. All right, I have a line. I've been, I've been, I've done that before. I've you know, given pete athletes way too much credit for being funny when you know it's fine. One guy that gets too much credit for

being funny, Rob Gronkowski, the former Patriots tight end. Little zinger at you there, but no, he's fine, felt like an unnecessary singer, an accurate that needed anyway. Ten weeks ago, Gronk called it a career. He stepped away, said I'm done playing after a legendary run with the Patriots that

ended with another Super Bowl title. Remember his agent at the time, we were actually in Arizona, Drew Rosenhouse, was making himself very public in the lobby throughout the weekend, talking loudly on the cell phone, enjoying himself, and he told the media he didn't believe it. His own client. He said, no, he you know, don't be surprised if

Gronk plays again. Well, Grock was speaking, uh two reporters at a children's event at Gilette Stadium and was asked about any you know, rumors that he wants to come back or will come back. Whatever I say, it doesn't matter. It will always be crazy out there. You can put him to rest. I'm feeling good in a good place. Thirty years old. You know, a beat up thirty years regular, Abraham Lincoln here, we're out of old. Um No, but he uh end quote, thank you, Lizzie. A real journal

is in the room. But he is, uh, you know, showed he had something left in the tank in the playoffs, but also it was a tough last season. Is he coming back? I still think he's gonna be on the Patriots in November. I I do believe that. I don't but I don't put much stock into what he's saying at like a June charity event he's forced to speak. Of course, he's thinking that now when it gets to

September October, like, could his mind change? Maybe he doesn't have to do training camp and mandatory minicamp in June and all that. I feel like it'd be more like something where he just comes in for like the stretch run. Belichick always says, you know, season starts at Thanksgiving or whatever, that's when we start. That might fit me in there. It's the one case where it's the Patriots have been

too successful because what is the motivation. It's not the athlete trying to get come back to get that Antonio Gates that one Super Bowl run. Well, you've been there like fourteen times, your dominant What is why? What is more appealing than you know, watching football from a distance to no longer be giant people? I get it. I tend to think that that that he probably won't come back. I think he definitely believes he won't right now. Um, but primarily because I think the Patriots are going to

change their whole offense. They haven't. It's not like they brought in another tight end to take his place, So I feel like I I feel like they're just going to do it completely differently this year, and that it would be weird to call him up in November like you would normally do that. If the guy that they brought in to take his place got hurt and then all of a sudden you're looking for a tight end, would that be a reason why to rule it out

from an organization standpoint. I feel like if you have a chance to get a recharged and into it, Grounk and you're often especially like we're speculating now, a lot of the football agneth centi is speculating that the Patriots could struggle on offense. There's just not a lot of really though, Like we haven't heard that narrative the off season. It's always they're always expected to struggle because they lost Phil in the blank like, and they always find ways struggle.

I have no expectation for them to struggle this year because Gronk left. They've been fine without Grounk, like, they find ways. I think he's an extremely special tight end. But I think that Bill Belichick will just find a different way to attack things offensively, and I think that they're going to be fine. I agree with you for the record, I don't want to agree with you, but I think the Patriots will have a top ten offense again this year. It would be a bizarre reality if

they don't, because they always do. It's just completely different time to live in. Uh. Tom Brady, he is the quarterback of the Patriots. He's entering his age forty two season. Well, what about playing even later, Russell Wilson did a had a nice conversation with our own Mike Silver, in which he explained, you know, he's thirty years old, he just signed a big contract with Seattle's entering his ninth season,

but he wants to play a lot more football. In fact, he wants to play until he's forty five years old. I feel like begin quote, I feel like I'm just getting started. That's the scary part. That's the most exciting part. That's really really where I believe that I am right now. I'm just getting started, and I believe this team is just getting started. So I think that we can do anything that we set our minds to do. Close quote. So where where was I'm looking for in the company standby? Alright?

So it's there. It is in the story, which it's a beef piece by Mike. I absolutely I would think would be earlier in the copy. But well, it's a good invite for the listener to go anybody itselves at any point, saying that he wants to play until he's forty five feels a little bit like, don't put that out there, like when people even in any way, and Josh Rosen did this last week in a way that was very benign and whatever, but he used he compared himself to Tom Brady in a way that was very

not like I'm comparing myself to Tom Brady. But he said something like if I could be even you know, close to what he is in this way and this way and this way, then that's what I want to be. And it was a compliment, and it was like, here's the bar, and I just him striving to be that. But the way that the quote was parsed and then put out on Twitter, it becomes this like, oh, he's comparing himself to Tom Brady and he's not even close

to tom Brady. And I just feel like people should sort of learn that lesson and maybe just don't even going close to that. Tom Brady has been saying forty five now for a while, and tom Brady is still three seasons away from it, you know, forty five. I'll believe that when I see it, like he's turning forty two. He's clearly the greatest aging quarterback of all time in terms of his ages, you know, thirty nine to forty one seasons, and even he I would be surprised if

he's around in a couple of years. It's a strange thing. I know that three years you'd be surprised. Yeah, well wait, this is going to be forty two right season. Yeah, i'd be surprised if you're starting in his age forty five season still in the NFL. Yes. To me, from a fan angle, it's uh. And I was saying this downstairs, these guys that I like star athletes in my life for a nice long amount of time, but I don't need.

For instance, if you're Kyler Murray or Sam Donald, if you wanted to play until you're forty five, your career wraps in that. And Dan. I like Sam Donald, but that's too much of him in my life for the next twenty something years. It's like, give me, I want Brady to be a little bit more of an outlier than every quarterback is playing for the next two plus decades.

It really does have changed the how the NFL looks because right now, Aaron Rodgers, you know, his turning thirty five, sick, You would have think he'd be on the back, not you know, he'd be kind of wrapping up his career, and you don't even think about that with him. They just gave Ben Roethlisberger a new contract. He's getting up there. Philip Rivers like Drew Brees. I think Breeze, Rivers and

Brady and Eli are all free agents next offseason. So it's like, what kind of contracts do you give those guys at that age. It's it's the last one, not a contract. Eli doesn't get a right, that's fair. Yeah, the Giants truly double down on their and Nolde Marcus Mariota's new backup in Jacksonville. But that's an interesting question for the rest of them. Update. I have a more

pertinent quote the topic by so fast. You think about just turning thirty years and what I have for the rest of my career for the next ten to fifteen years. I'm just so fired up about it. You think about some of the best quarterbacks of all time, guys like Drew, guys like Tom. I really look up to those guys. There's so much more to do. And then Mike uh says five, and then Russell replies, yeah, yeah, that's the goal. I'm just fired up for it. End quote. Go Hawks,

moving on, it's a good goal. Yeah. Mark talked about on Network. Mark said, up to the minute with Andrews Siciliana today that he will be podcasting till he's eighty nine or ninety. God willing mark this production questionable. But you know, somewhere, maybe in my house, we're doing this podcast in forty five years. Oh my gosh, I just

don't know what to say. I don't even know. I don't know if that would be a grand achievement or it feels some type of pet because we are We just discussed we have a flock of children that we could actually hand the show off too, and they'd be handed the show off. They'd be deep into their four giving them a career at that point. So I mean, yeah, I think if you're still there, it will be an indictment of the NFL's you know, retirement and healthcare plan. Well,

we're still needing this show up. It's like, all right, we're doing three shows this week. Round up. Yeah. Absolutely. Well. One of Russell Wilson's thing is he eats no dairy, no mold, no yeast, no gluten, and that's he's going to be healthy longer. You're gonna have to change your time. No mold, that just means what like no cheese, old mushrooms, lots of certain sauces. Soy sauce can be have mold to it. How does that end up on your dietary list? Like?

No mold? Well it's it's yes, it's hard to get like an orange with a sheen of green on it that you take eat like a hand fruit. No, like, it's more like like cheese as a mold. Calvin john Let's move. Calvin Johnson is retired wide receiver, a great, a future Hall of Famer. Um played his entire career with the Lions. But there has been no Calvin Johnson halftime celebration. There's been no Calvin Johnson Lions anything. And it all goes back to, well, what a lot of

things go back to money. Money, Uh, Calvin Johnson told Dave Burkett in the Detroit Free Press, Um, what the Lines need to do to get this relationship back on track? They already open quote, They already know what they got to do. The only way they're gonna get me back is they put that money back in my pocket. Close quote. And if you remember, the Lions required Megatron to reimburse the team for a portion of his signing bonus um

that he hadn't earned before retiring three years ago. So it's I think it's around a million dollars um that you know the money if he gets that, that's the price tag to get Calvin Johnson back and ford Field would you pay for that for what? I have a problem with the fact that there's an expectation that that he should get that money back in the first place.

Like I get that, there's also an argument that like a million dollars seems like pennies if you're the Lions and you get one of the faces of your franchise

to come back to the table. But at the same time, I'm I'm lost on why there's an expectation on his part two have earned that money, Like why you wouldn't have to pay that back if they pay you if you sign a three year deal and then you retire after yer and then the signing bonus is essentially just a way to give you more money around the salary cap.

So it's a pro rated situation. It's not really like thank you so much, because you're an organization of failure and he is a player of total excellence and your nicol and Diman someone who brought a higher level of performance to your organization than your ownership ever has, or your coach or pretty much any other player, and you're saying, hey, we're gonna just take that little bit out of your pocket because we can. They did the same thing with

Barry Sanders. It's the type of thing, dumb organization, dude. They made Barry Sanders repay his signing bonus to them, and he always, you know, felt bad about It's it's you know, instead of like saying oh, thank you and sending cool Instagram messages, just like let him keep his money and don't be Nickel and Diamond. It's a bad book in respect. I think it speaks to a team that post Megatron has almost no other players they could even put out there at half time to celebrate. There's

a very unrich history. He's still playing though, I mean talking about past guys a job at best. Let's bring him back and throw a bunch of flags up in the air. But if you're not doing the work, then so if you agreed on and maybe I'm just diving into the semantics of this, okay, then every coach should have to pay back every every you know year that they were unpaid and didn't do the job. You know

what I mean. It's just you're you're making a decision ultimately because they're only they're only getting the they only keep that money because the team fired them. He walked away. It was his decision. So if you're signing a three year deal and I don't remember the terms or whatever, but like, just if you sign a three year deal and you walk away after one year, then you shouldn't be paid for the two years that you agreed to be paid for, Like that was what you both sides

decided was your value at the time. I could totally don't agree with your point, Like I think that's from like a honor the job you did kind of standpoint. Yes, the problem a little bit is I think the Lions just look petty and all this look at it more like the NFL owners having incredible and teams in general having incredibly one sided and dominant relationship over player contracts anyways, So it's like why why why go out? Why go

after it? It's like picking on them picking Let's take a break in the news now to throw it to Lindsay Rhodes again of total access every part of your your everyday duties, right, Lindsay's It's not like you just walk out on the set at seven pm Easter for PM Pacific and just talk about football for forty two minutes. No, there's a lot of prep. That's what Hanson does. But Lindsay preps. She gets it in a survivalist sort of way. So we'll get to that in a second as well. Surviving.

Uh So, in the spirit of that, what Lindsay does leading up to um every show, part of it is recording, like pre taped. Topical promo is that they show in other shows that it's like a little fifteen second commercial that really teases you, gets you fired up. Geo oh Man, can't wait to watch that show. Ongoing tradition, we give Lindsay some copy to reach is not seen this beforehand. We're gonna ask Erica to play the music and Lindsay take it away tonight on NFL Total Accents, How far

is too Far? Daniel Jones rams up efforts to replace Eli Manning on the field and at home. We have Omaruise in Green Bay to find out if Aaron Rodgers still respects Matt LeFleur after his hoops injury. Plus Matt Patricia's awful chilly recipe Tonight's sevent eastern where my music go? What happened to the music? That was the length of you know when I read it it was that long, but then a professional broadcaster reads it, so you did not read that that fast. Now right now here, you're

ready go total access? How far is too far? Daniel Jones rams up everts to replace Eli Manning on the field hand. At home we have Omaruise and green Bay to find out if Aaron Rodgers still respects matt Lefloora after his hoops injury. That's a disaster, Dan, I feel like that was shorter. It's getting shorter. How long was? I feel a lot better because this was a point of contention about my copy and I were how long was what you just played? Seconds that I sent earlier

to It's the same thing she did. Erica didn't as asked. That was like a low key like I did, exast team that was going to do Thanks for writing second copy for my fifteen portrail per her email paper trail M. Well, what can you do anyway? That's the first one. Well done, everybody, that's great. That was great and at home unnecessary. Don't fling those Dan just flung the piece. No, because at one point one is going to come and sever my

eyeball because it's gonna be wayward. Throw. That's about when you throw the thinking about some other human will have to ultimately pick up Dan's refuse. Well, there's that secondary issue. Yes, grow up here, we got moving on in the news. Moe Wilkerson. You remember big Mohammed Wilkerson, Uh, former Jets pro bowler, got a big contract, didn't play well, didn't work hard, got cut, signed with the Packers, got hurt, and he has not been able to get a job and it's not gonna get easier. He got a d

U I in New York City. The twenty nine year old blew a point oh nine during a early morning stop UM and released on Boden later Saturday. UM. He was actually ranked at rank greg at number eighty eight on your Top one hundred free agents, but the market has not come together. I don't know if Wilkerson is healthy, but now and off the field incident not helping things. Well.

This will especially hurt his chances because he was rumored to have a drinking problem when a member of the Jets, I think it was that was pretty much out in the open um and so any chance of him getting back in the league it went down, I would have thought he would have been able to play again. He was playing okay at the beginning of last year before he got hurt. It feels like I've heard more about the negative stories of Mohammed Wilkerson having nothing to do

with his play than I've heard about his play. And when on a list that only consists to players without a job, I don't know that that means, like, you know, any right to uh to be out with your adventures on the road uh and other news. This is something

that we should all be plugging in on. A report um published by the Breakthrough National Center for Climate Restoration think tank in Melbourne, Australia, describes climate change as a quote near to mid term existential threat to human civilization and sets out a plausible scenario where business as usual could lead over the next thirty years. And what's going to happen the end of civilization? High likelihood of human civilization coming to an end in twenty fifty. Who's work,

Who's by it? Well, here's what I'd say is that what has got us into this situation already probably is irreversible by any habits that we any better habits that we conduct over the next couple of decades, because it doesn't mean like everything is going to be fine on December. That's the attitude they're trying to fight there is like the that's essentially that, that's much of the opposition's argument. It's kind of like there's no way to hold on. I use my blue recyclable bin in my at my

household problem, right, so you're not. It freaks me out when people come over to my house and throw away things that are recyclable. I don't go through it, but if there's something sitting right on top, I will take it out and go putty. I looked at the positive whause this guy said forty nine if he was asked to give a percentage chance, you know, civilization starts to you know, crumble, it's a better than half that we're in the clear. You know who else doesn't like those odds?

Kyler Murray's attempts to play till he's forty, thank you, which his career would wrap around, but then his then suddenly you go into the later stages of life and it's it's a wrap within seven years well, I mean you want to enjoy that retirement. Its civilization is done by fifty, then when is it starting to wipe up? Like like when are we like really in crisis mode like walking dead without the zombies, but we don't have

civilization anymore. I would say within seven years we'd start to see fundamental breakdown issues that would be there would still be years now or seven years now off. I mean the Earth moves at a snail's pace, like it's not like a seven things are going to start the tail off, So that would really inhibit his chances of planking. Largely sucky scenario. It's for everyone involved a thirty one more years of NHL hockey, though to still enjoy it does make you like think about wow, the debate about

the eighteen game NFL season doesn't seem as pressing. Put that on the back burn. Finally, in the news, Scott Smith of buccaneers dot Com has it. Over the weekend, Bruce arians Bucks head coach, put some pressure on kicker Matt Gay, the rookie who's in a big battle against Cairo Santos. Lined up Gay for a fifty yard or if he makes it, practice ends an hour early. If he misses it, everyone hates him. That's how you do it. Bruce pushing the right buttons, the rookie drilled and practice over.

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Lindsay Rhodes. Now, I messed up the time, and I actually now realized what I did wrong. And it's an interesting kind of human trait reading it just to myself in your mind much faster. I never took the extra step to read it out loud. I have made a similar mistake, I predict. I know I'm gonna do some editing. Am I going up next? Or as a mark? Well, I mean, if you're in the middle of an editing process,

now it's gonna be simple. I'm gonna cross out this line right here, trying to get it under and I wish I had, But you know, men who said that was that America. It was Lindsay Lindsay pretty much. Um yeah, maybe read it through once and nothing surprises you, but let's stop it. I didn't get the shafety reinforcements hit

the music. Ricky on NFL Total Access, Big Fin or Big Baby, Jade Snyder on Jason Garrett's new hair colored, Freddie Wayne on raising the minimum wage and special in studio guest that guy from Modern Family again Total Access seventies Stern still too long? It was that was? That was good? Though? Which guy from Modern Fire Family? I don't know. They always have the guy from and don't know who it is, Like, Hey, some stone Street who's a big Chiefs fan, which is obviously who he was

talking about. Or it could be the dad who's a Rams fan. Yeah, but multiple dads on that show. The dad like I always see him. I don't go out on dates. Is that what we're talking about life anymore? What? Who billed Dunfi the dad? Or were you talking about stone Street? No, Duffy, how are you talking about him? Stone Streets on Rich Eyes and Show like once we but Duffy Duffy is like the main dad on the show, and I've seen him many times in downtown Culver City,

just walking with his family. Just wanted to point that out. All right, he's a RAMS fan. There you go. Now you have something to talk about next time you encounter him. Duffy it's not his real name. All right. That was good, but we still have not hit it yet where the music is SYNCD up with the I think there's like a longer out tro where. Yeah, there's definitely a longer because we have a thirty second the topical thirty seconds

m seconds. I think this was the plan, and no one explored that there's still a window here to in a lane to possibly pin it on our producer. Yeah, I feel like and it's a small lane. But just you've read these, is it true at some point? You haven't had one where it was Big Ben or Big Baby? What are they? A little too dealers? I enjoyed. I enjoyed your copy, which was Judge, But I don't know that we'd go. We'd like couch it just like after a game where he's complaining about the rafts or something.

Come on, where can you imagine that cut line graphically like a Big Baby question mark? Well he's shining. Um, all right, we got one more to come. A lot of pressure on Mark, actually none because you both have utterly failed. Literally, that's a good point. That's a good Pointe will fall and be like within fifteen seconds and we're good. All right, here we go. Let's get to it now. Let's talk about under the radar m VP candidates. You know, we all know the names that get thrown

out every year. You're Drew brees Is although he's never won one. Uh Patrick Mahomes of course, will be a popular pick every year. That guy. There's always somebody out there. Greg, I feel like you've done this before. This is it. Russell Wilson gonna win that trophy? Of course Tom Brady who has a whole bunch of them, but where more of the big Ben's finally got to win an MPU

or guy now I'm now I'm over with that. Although if they have a good year, this is the year for it to happen, because nobody can make the argument that it is leavy On Bell that's really the reason for his success or nobody else has Antonio Brown to throat, it's never happened. He's thinking, never even come close. Brian Bill came close on the j Cutler prediction that generated some waves. Big Ben has one Team MVP award in his entire career. So UM and the the idea I was,

I'm working on a piece. You could read it on Tuesday, UM Team MVP Predictions in the a f C and then on Wednesday NFC Team MVP Predictions. We are so deep into. Don't be judging of the column. Just please read it. I'll read it. I'll be sure to do. I mean, I'm gonna be refreshing my Twitter feed. Alright, So what we're gonna do is go around the horn a couple of times here and throw out some UH candidates and Greg I will start with you, throw out

and under the radar two MVP candidate. Well to do this since now it seems like the NFL and UH and the desert as we refer to here are getting like a little tighter. It's like not as big a thing. I went to even look at the odds, so I didn't want to take anyone in the top ten possible. Wait, can you kind of curious? Well, as we go along, I'll say, what the here's one plus four thousand. I'm just putting the number out there here. I don't know

what that means, but it sounds like a lot. I mean, yeah, you put down a hundred, you get you would get four thousand back for this. We're gonna have to cut all this out. Quarterbacks generally win it, but not always. Occasionally they'll throw a running back in the mix. And what running back I think is in a better position to sneak up and get an m v P than Alvin Kamara this year, not a lot of other big

time offensive skill weapons on that team. Not only is mark Ingram gone, but it's basically just like Michael Thomas and Alvin Kamara, and he does things that other players just don't. And I think he is set up for a twenty two thousand yards from scrimmage type of season where he catches a ton of passes, he scores a ton of touchdowns. You look at the Saints and on paper they kind of look like the best team in

the NFL going into the year. And Drew Brees is you know, he will certainly be in the mix if if they're if they have that could have a record. But if we're looking for under the radar and like something that might be a little more surprising, I could absolutely see Alvin Kamara in his third season in the league kind of putting it all together and having his career year. I just think they wouldn't give it to

him over Breeze. Like if the Saints are in that position, I think you've got to be in a spot like the other running backs that have won it, where Sean Alexander or Ladinian Thomlinson. You score a lot of touchdowns, you put up a lot of yards. Everyone can see that it's not necessarily Drew Brees's best season. Uh, the defense is really good. Are predicting it's not going to

be Drew Breeses in this scenario. Yeah, I mean if if Drew Brees puts up a slightly worse season than he did a year ago and it's their defense that keeps getting better and it's Camara in the running game, I can absolutely see a scenario where they're the one seed in cameo. And Yeah, to Lindsay's point, if Breeze puts up a representative season, I think he would get the nod. Well, a lot of this is narrative driven in will in theory be the final year of Drew Brees.

They there was a big push for that to happen last year, you know, doing roughly seven billion video but he didn't. In the end, Drew Brees, he didn't. But that's like if if he did another Drew Breese ish type year where he isn't noticeably falling off the cliff's Alvin Camara, to me, is is such a unique, almost singular type of player that he at this point to me, has a better chance of putting together and absolutely bonkers

year that blows your mind, and Drew Brees does. Actually, I think Breeze would have gotten it last year if Mahomes wasn't so great. He just couldn't be denied. It was five thousand yards, fifty touchdowns, basically was the most exciting player in football. Um so Breeze how to take

the back seat. But I'm gonna bring up another third year running back about that, a guy that also came very close to uh two thousand yards from scrimmage um and also came about a hundred and twenty yards that believe from being the third player ever running back ever to have one thousand yards rushing and one thousand yards received. Thing. I know where you're going the poor man's camera, Well, that's when we put that's one way to put it.

Christian McCaffrey. You call him the poor man's camera. How dare you? This kid is after a nice rookie season in Carolina, but maybe some a little bit underwhelming as a rusher. I think last year he kind of absolutely justified why Carolina used the top ten pick on a running back. And I think things are kind of lined up for this guy to even take his game up to the next level. When you think about Cam Newton and where he's at physically now coming back from the

second shoulder surgery, He's thirty years old. That entire organization is all about how do we get um Cam Newton through a season healthier? And you know what that means. Cam Newton is not going to be diving over the goal line anymore. He's gonna be absolutely running lest We saw that last year when McCaffrey became kind of their goal line guy. So you're gonna he's gonna be a touch monster. We know that McCaffrey both as receiver and a russia, but he's also gonna be their goal line guy.

And I think Caroline is gonna be a good team this year. I think they're gonna be in the mix, so they won't be an also around like they turned into last year if Camp could stay healthy. So for all those reasons, I think mccavery, who I guess some people call a poor man something, I believe he is a superstar and in his third year is primed maybe

have his best season. I like it because, I mean, under the radar has to this exercise has to happen, acknowledging that the way this voting process works makes running backs extremely unlikely unless they have one of these absolutely blow your mind seasons. But I feel like for McCaffrey to win, because you're gonna be battling guys like Sequon

Barkley and fill in the blank. To that your numbers are gonna have to be so huge, and you're gonna have to have like single handedly won four or five like key games for them, and they need to go like thirteen and three, which that's all possible. But I just like in the mix that well Peterson, that was a and the six vikings seem I don't think the team needs to be a total monster force, but he has to be clearly like with breeze Um and Camara has to be the guy that's seen as the engine

driving the show. And even more than that, it has to be almost like historic if it's if it's going to be team. And they went into the off season saying they thought, you know, they wanted to take the load off him a little bit, but then they did absolutely nothing to get someone really capable of taking that load off. So he'll get a lot of carries. I worry more about him than Camara in terms of total touch. It like Camara is just a little thicker, like they think,

have you seen McCaffrey recently? That's true. He's looking he's almost well, he's looking like he's on Dion Jordan's season. And Melvin Gordon has the best shot of the running backs for the reason, so the same reason that I think of. And that's not my answer, by the way, but so I think it was. Mark's answer is no, okay, I'll shift gears. No no, no no no. If Melvin, no, it was not, I was a Tory. You're good, alright,

guess God stay in your lane. Um, I mean, because he doesn't have a quarterback who is going to demand the votes, right, So if the Chargers are that are really good team this year, which I think a lot of people expect them to be. Then it kind of is going to run through Melvin. He's going to be a big part of the reason why, and then Philip. He's always good and he'll be a part of it. But I don't think that people he's not slotted in that like, well, if they're really good, we have to

vote for Philip. I think people will think that the difference maker there is Melvin because Phillip has always been there and he's always been good, and they still haven't gone anywhere. So I think so, I I'm wondering how dark horse we're going to need to be because I'm not like you. It's not going to be a running back because there are never any running back. So I like the dark horse factor, but I don't think it's going to be a dark I don't think it's going

to be that. So I'm going quarterback like Andrew luck is not dark horse, right, like you take him off the tip, Okay, so then we're going like really dark horse. I'm gonna throw Derek Carr out there, and here is why I'm going to do it, because we've seen him have an m v P caliber season before, so we know that he can do it. It's not a total like shot in the dark. And now you have these offensive weapons that are playing with him. You put some

weapons in front of him on the offensive line. I think that offense could look incredibly different ways that we can't even really fathom right now because they were so bad last year. Derek Carr was a checkdown king last season UM, but he didn't have any weapons that could really stretch the field. PF just put out some numbers in the last couple of days. Has he's their number one rated UM deep ball efficiency passer in the league.

Part of that probably is because he didn't go downfield very much and so maybe that could be a knock against him. But he had like a fifty two completion percentage on UM deep passes, so he can do that, and he certainly has the weapons to do that with Hayrol Williams and Antonio Brown and now you have Josh Jacobs in the backfield keeping defenses. Honest I think you could see a major turnaround because his rating is a

little low right now. I feel like he's been through super rough two years, but everyone felt very different, much differently about him before he got hurt, he got some, he got some literal m v P votes. So the fact that he is now right now plus ten thousand around which is the same, which is basically what they give to someone that has almost no shot. Joe Flacco is there, James Conner, Kyler, Murray, Leonard four Net, Josh Allen. So he's drive East, Lindsay's deep drive East is what

I'll say, if you truly believe it. I mean, it's a team award partly, so they will have to win some games for that to happen. I think ten, as we've learned with ten, sounds about right. But for quarterback, you're right, he's gonna have to win more than that. And you are forever tied to Derek Carr in this podcast is as the woman who brokered the piece. Of course, you're welcome between Greg and I and Derek who unblocked us.

There was a Pro Football Talk put out a right up this slow part of the season football calendar, UH did a whole article about how they were blocked by Derek car or maybe it was a tweet. Maybe I don't know. If I don't know that Pro Football Talks, UH, they're not articles so much as far as that as complaints on Twitter. Uh so Derek is still blocking away. But at last time I checked, Um, we're safe, We're safe. And that's when somebody on the show is saying m

v P for Derek Carr. That only hell, that's good. That reflects well on us. I mean that would be that is a dark horse. But to your point, Mark, yeah, it wasn't that long ago. It's always dangerous to play the it wasn't that long ago game, especially in the NFL. But he was before he broke his ankle. He was playing at a high level. Now he has arguably the

best wide receiver in football on his team. Why couldn't he get back to those heights throwing out there, Sessler, I you know, you have to go back to six for a defensive player to have wanted Lawrence Taylor. And yet I would argue that it's concerning that that J. J. Watt, for instance, his absolute peak, didn't pull one of these wards because it's clear to me the Defensive Player of the Year is essentially just what they're calling m v

P on defense, and it's the same thing. It's like we have gone thirty something years since the defensive players so I was like coming up with someone that could maybe pull it off, and it needs to be for me, a team or a player that would generate an intense amount of sacks. It would be like a record setting type year and on a great defense, on a team that could have the best record in the a f C. And so I went with Joey Bosa. And you need

him to stay healthy. That's a concern, but it does seem like a guy because I love that they got Jerry Tillery to kind of clog up the middle, and you still have Melvin Ingram, You've got there's reason to believe that Bosa will be not getting triple teamed as much. He have a chance to have a big year if he stays healthy puts up an insane amount of sacks. And then there's needs to be because it's all narrative driven. This mid season sort of ground swell for why haven't

we picked a defensive player in so long? Isn't something wrong with our system? Now? The defensive players in the league, and then bang Bosa gets picked and you look back on this early June episode and to say, how did he know ahead of times six months ago that this would happen episode over. Wow, I think honestly, I you're right, that's like forever ago. I think you need like sacks to win the m v P probably like not even break the record, like shadow the record. I think that's

probably what he'd have to do. And that's a tall right. I think what seasons and one of them was against Aaron Rodgers's best season, so that was it was that Cam Newton had but that season where was what versus Cam? Like those are the best defensive seasons possible. Aaron Donald really, if you look at at least that's the pressures and stuff would be up there, and he really hasn't gotten much attention, so it's gonna be tough. Joey Boss has

gotta he just gotta stay healthy. He's probably three years right now. He has one really healthy year out of those three. Aaron's shot would be this year if Gurley doesn't pan out, but the offense somehow still works, although no, because then if the offense works without Girly, then people it will be because golf is good. So never mind game winning plays for a defensive player, even though a

lot of that it would be on luck. Is how you do it, like Paulo Malo and suck like where you make where you make like three play at the end of a game to win a game. That that what about Khalil Mack because Cleil Mac has the potential to make those plays in that type of environment on

a team that really doesn't have any other superstars. So early about defense, right, Like if you look like I would think, if you look at October last year, Mac is someone that you would have had to say has a chance to if he continues to and it is climbing having those great games if Al Michael's and Chris

Collinsworth are in the building. When you have those games and it becomes the big story on Monday, all that stuff, like you're saying, Mark with a narrative, it's built into It's a storyline reward as much as it is a production. Let's go one more time around the worn, a little quicker,

a little speed round. We're all right, Well, I'll go with Deshaun Watson, who I think is someone who can make enough absolutely incredible plays who obviously is just putting a team on his back in a way that they love. M VP voters love that it's not about almost anyone else it's just about Deshaun Watson like making extraordinary plays, and I like, if I was trying to take a real long shot at quarterback, he would be my pick.

That was my choice as well for everything you just said, and also just the idea that he kind of has been a little bit overlooked in the conversation with the best young quarterbacks in football, and he shouldn't be. With that awful offensive line where he got sacked sixty two times, knocked down a hundred and thirty two times, He's still

accounted for thirty one of their thirty eight touchdowns. Watson is a stud and if that offensive line, if the upgrades take, he will get a lot better and those numbers could reflect in an m v P type campaign. What about you, Lin's um, this is not what I believe will happen, But I'm just gonna throw out a dark horse option because when you look at the teams that are it has to be a team that's positioned to do well. If the team does well, it will

likely because this person is playing well. I'm gonna go Lamar Jackson just because if he takes that step from one to two, if he fixes some of what appeared to be flaws in the passing game, but he still has that run game ability, which obviously he will um then and if the Ravens are good next year, which I think that you know, they've taken a hit in

terms of expectations. Everybody's talking about the Browns, so people will be more surprised that they're good, and then they'll be more likely to reward the reason why So I think maybe a'll uh, like you know, Cam when he won that m VP year, kind of from an expectation standpoint, you just kind of come out of maybe maybe Lamar He's probably not going to put up like numbers that normally net an m v P A court. I'm surprised looking at the odds that he actually has better odds

than Derek Carr. He he was not that low unless he was right in the same ballpark of Deshaun Watson. Uh, finally, close this out, Mark, This is one where um, I don't I'm not gonna go bet the house that I don't even own on this, but um Kyler Murray and let me throw it out to you. Why I think

it could. It doesn't need the Cardinals to go thirteen and three because I think it's going to be an offense that from wire to wire gets a ton of attention, and for good reason, I think they're gonna be They went. It helps to have gone from being one of the most boring teams to watch in our human lifetime to

what will be potentially a fascinating human attack. And if Kyler Murray goes out and does things that we haven't seen a quarterback do, and if he succeeds, he plays from wire to wire, throws a ton of touchdowns and they lighted up and maybe knock out a few heavy hitters down the stretch and play that sort of berserker role that knocks like a team like the Packers out of the playoffs or something late, and Kyler Murray is

sort of doing it week to week. Then it is he becomes the guy that suddenly is even more exciting than Patrick Mahomes from a perception angle, and you get voters to start voting for that kind of thing. Long shot, Yes, that would be outrageous if he stepped into the league and was dominant and they still probably have to win get pos I think they go. Let's say they were like a sexy nine and seven where in or out like you can just say the whole organization has been

totally changed by coach and quarter. Mean, I'd love to know the last time there was an m v P, if there ever was, where the team didn't make the playoffs. I know what Peterson did it. They just barely got in. Well, that's why it's so narrative driven though it's it's but I don't know if it's Barry standards one along with Brett Farve. I don't know what they did that year. Um, anyway, good, good stuff. We got another one, another topical mark A lot of stress around this problem? Am I supposed to

read that part? Yeah? The whole thing? Okay, got it? All right? You ready? Wait too long? And then Ricky you have one too, right? Yeah, I just whipped on up. Okay, Ricky whipped on up as well. Well, it's gonna be timed out perfectly from the producer. Well we'll see about that. Well, she's a professional. She's been reading it out loud in the booth. She has not even been listening to the shows. Well that wouldn't be new. All right, here we go,

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